how does hank hill afford his lifestyle selling propane and propane accessories?

>>2915654 (OP)

>>2915654 (OP)
This is all in the year 2000:
Hank probably makes about $22/hr as a highly experienced and effective assistant manager.
$45,760 annual gross/12= 3,813 gross monthly. Probably about $3100/month net after taxes and stuff.

Peggy is a pro substitute teacher, highly sought after due to her better-than-native fluency in Spanish. That probably nets her about $70/day, and she does perhaps 8 days a month? Also, with her sterling reputation, she's a certified notary, so add in a bit extra. Let's say $500/month gross, so like $425/month net. This makes a total family net income of $3525/month

House was probably ~$80k in the early 90's, so take off 20% down payment and that works to a $515/month P&I payment. Let's toss another $250/month on because Texas has high property taxes. Total = $765/month.

Estimating some others, this is the expense list:
>House: $765
>Truck: $175
>Food: $350
>Utilities: $250 (electric + water + phone + cable TV)
>Propane: Free
>Alamo Beer: $55
>Personal/Household: $125
>Bobby's Expenses: $50
>Entertainment/Dining: $100
>Healthcare: $200
>Tools/Lawn: $30
Sum of all expenses = $2,100 / month

That leaves $1,425 left over, which Hank probably puts into the 401k, Bobby's college fund, or paying off the mortgage early.

Basically Hank was a baller who could provide for his family with excess, and you are a poor who will forever rent or live with your parents.

>>2915680
Uhm Hank has a tight budget and Bobby gets his entire entertainment budget
Any koth fan knows this

i don't like thinking about money but is propane really as based as he makes it out to be
how does refilling the tanks even work they really leave a giant tank of propane sitting out in the open?
>that episode when hank smokes and nearly tossed a lit cig onto a puddle of gas before the spic catched it
whats stopping some random guy from doing it and sending the whole thing in an explosion

>>2915680
They owned the house and 1/8th acre outright, purchased from the Wakefields in the 80s

Pay attention, son.

What I want to know is if he only throws a raw, unseasoned steak on the grill so as to only taste the meat and not any seasoning

>>2915801
taste the meat not the heat
butanes a bastard gas
we dont acknowledge charcoals existence in this house

>>2915680
that budget doesnt make sense chatgpt $350 for food $50 for bobby $175 for truck

>>2915676
> training + inspection to not flood the entire park and its water supply with feces
> making sure anon is able to pay when he destroys a trailer or telephone line with his backhoe
> making sure he won’t come for govt bucks when he runs himself or someone else over or destroys his back in 2 years under client pressure
> mandatory course about not using meth while operating backhoe in populated areas
> trailer+license so we don’t have backhoes sitting in traffic every day
Somehow this is a bad thing

>>2915811
>butanes a bastard gas
I still don't get it
and everyone here just use "natural gas" almost straight from the oil well, what's the different ¿

>>2915868
pretty sure i was wondering about refilling and what could go wrong with it not what other people come and do on your property inept retard

why does hank need a truck?
his woodworking hobby justify him having a truck?

>>2915869
It's crazy that this "cost of living crisis" is almost exclusively because house prices are out of control. If you really break down what things cost versus what a non-felonious nigger makes >we should all be doing very very well because despite covid things really haven't gone up THAT much.

My 2025 budget is;
Phone - $49
Water/sewer/garbage - $70
Food - $~300
Electric - $75
Gasoline - $75
etc

But then a house payment blows it up by being over $2000.

>>2915800
It's good for camping/hiking gas, and I suppose convenient use at home to grill something. Charcoal and wood/smoke however is absolute king.

>>2915865
>someone shits the bed so we all have to wear government approved diapers sold by some politician's large nosed diaper selling cousin.
You truly believe this is an appropriate answer to the problem?

>>2915676
this is kinda like leftoids getting mad at immigrant food carts getting shut down for not having food safety licenses, when foodborne illness costs cities millions of dollars and kills people year round. if you want to operate in a city or county or whatever you follow their rules.

>>2915885
it is literally just home values going up. btw boomers are the largest voting bloc and their priority is their retirement. they're the ones calling and making death threats if their portfolio goes down half a percent. they don't give a fuck about young families who want to buy a home, they only care about line going up.
retired boomer faggots are the only people who have the free time to go to city council meetings and threaten to riot if more housing is built, because that would make their home's value go down 3%.

>>2915963
>has no argument
lol.

>>2915865
>yeah all that is needed because some idiot with a shovel, a wrench, and a prefab septic tank installed it wrong and caused thousands of dollars in property damage, and polluted ground water.
>every rule in that list is because of something stupid someone did.
>someone shits the bed so we all have to wear diapers.

>>2915962
>I never said that at all. it seems you can't read or understand what I am saying.
>so here let me try again cubby.
>because other people fuck up everyone else has to pay the price.
>fucking retard.

You have worded both of your posts to where it sounds like you're fine with it though, You're 100% ok with the government cracking down on people that do things properly, and having to give up their freedoms, or pay the government to exercise them, because someone somewhere fucked up. You sound like a real boot-licker extraordinaire.

Hank is a tard

Charcoal/woodfire burgers are delicious af

He's likely part of a welding gas supply shop.

>>2915875
When you are refilling tanks at normal propane pressures you do have to vent off the vapor in order to get a full liquid fill to 80%. So yes the fumes are flammable when filling and you need to be sure there are no ignition sources around. I'm pretty sure that if the propane is pumped in under pressure it will fill without venting the vapor, or at least not as much venting. Temperature effects this as well. If I want to fill a bbq tank off my thousand gallon tank at the shop and dont need it immediately I can hook it up and leave it open over night and the temperature cycling overnight will usually have the small tank full in the morning.

>>2915800
We used it for grilling mostly. Some rural areas you can't get on the natural gas pipeline so you can install a huge 100 gal tank to service you home for cooking or heat (water heater, home furnace, clothes dryer, oven, etc). Have to get it refilled or topped up every month. That seems to be a major park of Strickland's operations. Driving trucks out to refill large propane tanks.
If you're just using propane for grilling you buy a little 15# tank. At that point you either refill it, or, you exchange the empty tank for a new one at a grocery store.
It's convenient for grilling. Instant on, consistent temp. Downside is, like Hank says, you taste the meat and that's it. Charcoal gives you a smokey flavor that propane just can't get.

>>2915898
>>2916051
what do you cook with

>>2916075
Woodfire, pecan mostly

>>2915654 (OP)
In some places in Texas, like where I live, our heater furnace and stoves run on propane. They fill big ass tanks in our neighborhood since we aren't connected to the city's natural gas infrastructure. Also, a lot of people in the country have big propane tanks that serve the same function. It's implied that the company makes most of its money distributing large amounts of propane for this purpose and the grill tanks and accessories are just something they provide in their storefront.

>>2915680
luanne probably made more selling her ass

>>2915952
Go to Thailand. Best street food in the world. No regulations means anyone can do it means competition is high.

>>2915676
Boomer era hand dug septics are small and typically made of cement block and precast top slabs. Many septic companies still cast that style in batches by calling in a cement truck.
One of my houses has one. It works.

Anyone with enough money for a prefab concrete tank then or the prefab plastic tank for sale today could afford to hire a backhoe. Hand digging a hole that large would be a slow, enormous asspain for one person.

>>2915654 (OP)
15 years ago I could afford a mortgage on a 2 bedroom house in an ok area as a single man with no kid or car payment making $13/hr. After groceries and bills I'd have about $100 extra a week with no overtime. Now? Lol, my 12 year younger cousin is struggling to get out of his mom's house making close to $20 and he's looking at renting a house with 2 room mates in a much shittier area.

>>2916051
>huge 100 gal tank
>huge
I've never seen a rural home with only a 100 gal tank. They'd fucking be there every week in the winter here. Minimum size is 500 gallon propane

>>2915676
>retards half ass everything back in the 1950s
>raw sewage dumping into the water table for 30 years
>someone finally notices and tries to convince retards to stop being retarded
>retards refuse, continue half assing everything and polluting water
>only solution is a a law against being retarded

>>2915868
>I have 2 100# propane tanks in my back yard. they are on a concrete pad and must be 5 minimum distance from the house and anything electrical.

is that regulation? my parents had propane back in the early 2000s. i want to say a 100 gallon upright tank. it was right up against the house, like inches away from it. kek.

>>2916109
What general location? I was able to live my dream because I dreamt pragmatically and moved to where I had advantages my old expensive home region (metro NY area) could not have approached forty years ago. I refuse to live where a garage is a luxury and left for much cheaper, freer areas in red states. If I can't piss off my porch or shoot rifle practice on my own land I don't need to live there.

>>2916124
^This but smaller cylinders have their uses so I run those too. My main heat is a heat pump with my gas stove on one end of the house and a gas fireplace insert in my old (but functionally sound) fireplace. I barely use my 500 gallon main LP tank but if I lived where winter were serious I'd mechanize my wood harvesting and fabbed an outdoor water heater (not a boiler so no pressure welds or joints required) becasue LP is expensive in the US.

I collect all the BBQ cylinders I can snag free or near-free to feed cookers, weed burners (I use that to preheat weldments and flame strip paint besides speeding up boiling water on my cookers), portable backup heaters and for air/LP and oxy-LP cutting/heating/brazing/soldering. I have a 100 gallon cylinder as backup for my guest house heat but it's so well insulated I've not needed that in 20 years.

Since LP cylinders from BBQ on up use CGA-510 female valves adapting and modding gear they feed is easy. I refill the little disposable LP cylinders but don't store them indoors and instead of reliance on their shit Schrader valves I leave a classic brass torch head installed which is a reliable cap.

>>2915654 (OP)
He's responsible with his finances and lives within his means.

Only way he's ever shown as being kind of financially retarded is that he overpaid for his trucks, but even then he tended to do all his own maintenance and drive them until they died so it's not that big of a deal.

His house is a very modest single story in a decent but not insanely well-off neighborhood, and he bought it sometime in the late 80s or early 90s, I don't remember if we ever saw any indication of what condition it was in when he bought it but I'm willing to assume he got a fixer-upper for a good deal and then put in the work to get it in the condition we see during the course of the show.

tl;dr: he's not retarded, it's insanely easy even today to live comfortably with any half-way decent job if you aren't retarded with your finances.

Are you really asking how someone selling fuel makes money?

Because he lived in a era where you could get a real job and save up for a year and buy a house with a decent job and there was hope in the air. Now you must work mega-low mart mass market low end jobs and live with room mates or your parents, or die.

>>2916383
>save up for a year and buy a house
that can't possibly be true ever
houses are things people pass down generations

>>2916394
No, people passed down estates as generational wealth, not just houses, people used to associate 40 acres and a mule with home, not a 1200 square foot house surrounded and landlocked by a sea of 1200 square foot houses.

>>2916394
it kind of was true once upon a time, but the retards who like to pretend it was their parents' generation doing it conveniently neglect to realize it was like 100 years ago and it was people literally building the house themselves from a kid they ordered in the mail.

>>2916470
>kit*
but I dunno maybe they ordered a kid in the mail too kek

>>2916044
I've actually been in the boonies and have found propane stores. Basically it's guys who install and service propane systems and their steady money comes from filling 500+ gallon tanks for homes and businesses in the area but they'll also sell you a tank and pipe it to your house.

Some also sell parts, bought a regulator from one once. Hanks store sells grills too.

>>2916257
He's not selling his fuel and he's not pocketing the money. He's probably salary and gets a bonus once year at the least.

Hank also lived in an area that was suburban but didn't have any major big box stores. That's why he was so pissed about mega lo mart. Not only did they sell propane, they also sold grills and stuff. Before they came along, Strickland was where you went if you wanted propane or a new $1000 grill. Hank probably earned a commission on sales as well. With mega lo mart, there was more competition and cut into his commissions or jobs.
Mega lo mart probably wouldn't finance propane trucks though for filming up larger tanks so that lart of the business would be necessary. But it's a sign the town is changing. How many more years until people started to just get a natural gas line run to their house so they could get cheaper gas and not have to worry about filling their tanks up? Or maybe they'd just go all electric and ditch gas altogether.

>>2916470
I sure wish I could do that but I'd get assfucked by regulations and permits and zoning laws.

>>2915845
Butane is a heavier hydrocarbon than Propane (3 carbons vs. 4 carbons) so contains more energy but burns uglier and dirtier.

Natural gas is mostly Methane, the simplest hydrocarbon with only 1 carbon atom attached to 4 hydrogens. This is why it burns the cleanest the easiest and why our power plant emissions have gotten so good. Basically just makes CO2 and Water once combusted.

Tangentially, gasoline is basically hexane (6 carbons) and octane (8 carbons). This is why high octane gas contains more energy and provides more power and fuel efficiency.

>>2916507

>>2916615
>they'd just go all electric and ditch gas altogether
is that ever a good idea

>>2916688
For everything other than cooking at this point pretty much, outside of some very specific circumstances where gas would still be a better long-term solution for very niche uses.

And for a lot of people who don't cook they don't care about a gas stove. Might be generally different in Texas due to energy prices though, I'm not sure what costs would look like out there for them. Anywhere with halfway sane people running the energy sector though, electric options are generally better for most things these days.

>>2916688
>>2916689
also worth noting for Texas specifically there aren't huge heating demands which is one of the main reasons people stick with gas in places up north, because they either don't trust or don't want to shell out the cash for a decent model of heat pump, so it makes less sense to maintain an entire furnace and an extra utility hookup for a homeowner in that region. Anywhere that it's common for people to put their water heater in a garage, gas is not a super essential utility for most people.

>>2915685
Actually it's a narruh budget

>>2916689
Hook everybody up to a grid and run on a payin' basis

Yessir, it's a veritable age of reason.

Like the one they had in France

>>2916690
Natural gas heating is cheaper than electric. Even with a fancy heat pump. Guess you've never been up north loser.

>>2917014
>can't read
I have gas heat, a gas stove, a gas dryer, and a gas water heater. I'm not anti-gas you retard, but there are reasons outside of price (which also varies pretty wildly in different regions) that people might choose to forego a gas hookup if it's not all that important to them.

>>2917014
My gas bills were about the same as my 36k btu heat pump in the winter. Also can't cool a space with gas.

>>2917296
apparently you can

>>2915654 (OP)
Why did they make Dale a cuck?

We use propane, but only for our GE convection oven/range. 250 gallon tank, filled 200 gallons (80% maximum fill allowed) has lasted us 23 months and we are currently at 15% remaining when I checked ad calculated yesterday.

200 gallons
$480
8.33 gal/mo
$19.99/mo

I will refill July 1.

we carefully chose this oven during a massive remodel at our old house. we removed an electric element unit, built and island and installed a gas range in it and ran all the supply piping. when we built the new house, we brought it with us and re-jetted it to propane. housewife grows/preps/cooks 100% of our food, so well worth it, to us.

we heat our house with woodstoves, we have mini-splits w/ heat-pumps but rarely use them. our water heater is also a heat-pump 80gal.

>>2917581
he wasn't a cuck he was a moron

>>2915836
This. The first post seems really smart at first. The really shitty thing is that even people with licensing will often intentionally not do things to code or seemingly forget how to properly do the work they're paid for, so DIYing can often actually be better for non-complex tasks, like fixing plumbing issues, as long as you're not a dumbass.

>>2916107
>Anyone with enough money for a prefab concrete tank then or the prefab plastic tank for sale today could afford to hire a backhoe. Hand digging a hole that large would be a slow, enormous asspain for one person.
In my opinion, if you actually tried digging a hole like that with a shovel, you're actually mental. I didn't know what a backhoe was until today. If I were faced with a task that seemed excessively difficult and dangerous like that, I'd likely to do some research and ask around.

>>2917513
>>>/facebook/

>>2918363
>>2918365
>>>/faggot/

>>2915864
Well he also has never suffered the major misfortunes that happen to even responsible people.

>>2915864
>notice that his house has ZERO luxuries.
A riding mower is a luxury

>>2916497
He gets ONE annual bonus of ONE thousand ($1,000)dollars. Strickland is not a generous man. Did you even watch the show.

>>2917603
He was in denial. He wasn’t stupid.

>>2918472
denial is when you know

>>2915869
>Booze $150 week
Feels sore man

>>2915885
>But then a house payment blows it up by being over $2000.
So move retard, it's 2025, you can work from anywhere if your career is in any field of value. I bought in 2020 and my mortgage payment is about $1400, and that's with almost no down payment AND I overpay to pay extra against principle. Don't buy in an overpriced city center (or McMansion subdivision) and then complain that houses are expensive dipshit.

>>2915800
Anecdotal but story I heard at a former job was a co-worker of mine was replacing a propane tank on one of the forklifts while smoking. During the connection part a spurt of propane sprayed out at his face with cigarette in mouth and didn't go off. Like gasolone the fumes are the really flammable part.

>>2918579
De-pressurized propane IS fumes retard

>>2918579
>facial'd by a big phallic tank
maybe the liquid put it out and drew the heat since it's cold af

>>2915811
90% of the charcoal "taste" people talk about is just the meat being burnt in parts because heat regulation on a charcoal bbq is insanely hard.

Always reminds me of this advert from my childhood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CIORN9pIg4

>>2918455
>>2916257
how much was strickland making
what did the rest of his operation look like since the store hank worked in looked kinda small but since buck was there all the time it must've been the main one
were they really selling multiple big grills a day

>>2915676
I understand the essence of that image and do agree somewhat
the problem is, boomers are by and large retarded, and did fucking awful jobs on everything. easy money meant even people with simian IQs could afford to pour foundations, do framing, run electrical and plumbing, whatever, and convince themselves they knew exactly what they were doing because their slapped together work didn’t spontaneously combust
people are generally too stupid to be trusted to do even basic tasks, and this unforgiving authoritarian attitude is the only way the state can push back. even then it’s hardly effective.
I can’t help but think there has to be a better way. but even Uncle Ted said that any system of governance with 500+ participants requires authoritarianism to sustain itself. or something to that effect

>>2918845
>because heat regulation on a charcoal bbq is insanely hard.
If you're retarded maybe

>>2918858
Strickland had tons of businesses, in addition to his more shady ventures. It's shown multiple times that the propane company is just his main business with tons of other investments, and it's mentioned that there's at least one other branch. They also have a lot of large fuel contracts for stuff like trailer parks, businesses, etc. in addition to the retail side of things.

>>2915654 (OP)
It was a better time.

>>2915676
What's crazier is every person who works for insurance claims also needs insurance, which makes the price even higher because of the insurance.

>>2918896
After the LA fires, California lowered the regulations so that the area could be rebuilt, possibly creating another fire situation. Boomers aren't retarded, they simply get around most regulations or costs because of preferential treatment. Most houses are still running on on fuses and the wire hasn't been fixed in years so nobody can buy it on mortgage. Even DIY at this point is better than literally doing nothing as it's also a fire hazard.

>>2915654 (OP)
He got paid to appear on TV.

>>2915680
>Basically Hank was a baller who could provide for his family with excess, and you are a poor who will forever rent or live with your parents.
Based.
>>2915867
>I did, and paid off my house 10 years early.
No, you didn't.

>>2918858
They had a few truck drivers, at least 3. To keep that many guys busy 5+days a week they had to have been delivering a ton of propane. Probably filling 500+ gallon tanks and delivering/picking up fork truck tanks. That's a ton of propane being moved daily. There's always a possibility he acted as a middleman for other gas suppliers too, I've seen that where companies will want to limit the number of other companies they buy from so they'll pay a premium to get it special ordered from a normal vendor. Say Strickland sold propane to a small fab shop for their fork trucks and that shop also needed helium, argon, whatever, Strickland might be able to order that from his supplier then sell it at a mark up to the shop. Real world it would bethe other way around, a welding gas company would be the one selling the propane as well I don't expect Mike Judge to know anything about gases other than methane or nitrous. And the show is good, I don't give a fuck how true to life it is.

>>2915869
>Realize all this when I was about 25 or so
>Always put money away in savings before though, wanted to figure out how I could accrue it faster though
>Think I'm spending too much on video games, turns out it's only about $1000 a year and mostly due to new computer parts I get
>Eating out turns out to be the only major discretionary expense I have at about $4k a year, everything else is either a requirement like rent or very minor

A decade later I did my then girlfriend's budget at the time because every month she'd complain about having to barrow money from her brother or parents and pay it back.

>Car payment is $800/month
>Medicine is about $160/month for her and her son
>No rent because she lives at her parents, phone bill is about $80/month
>Basically every free dime she makes is spent going to music concerts with friends or amusement parks with her son twice a month
>Works as a nurse and makes about $20 more an hour than what I do, still struggles

What really pissed me off is this isn't even unique to her, have the nurses I worked with had similar troubles managing their money. They're all making $40+/hr and still struggling because of expensive tastes.

>>2915801
>if he only throws a raw, unseasoned steak on the grill
Why would you season a steak?

>>2916507
Yes, that's the point anon was making. Thanks for illustrating.

>>2916625
>Butane is a heavier hydrocarbon than Propane (3 carbons vs. 4 carbons) so contains more energy but burns uglier and dirtier.
Butane contains more energy by volume, less by mass. The cleanliness of the burn depends on how they're burned. Both can burn completely. The practical difference here is that propane is more volatile, so it needs a (somewhat) high-pressure tank to store at room temperature, and propane can evaporate in the winter.

>This is why it burns the cleanest the easiest and why our power plant emissions have gotten so good. Basically just makes CO2 and Water once combusted.
All decently-engineered power plants completely burn their fuel. All hydrocarbon fuels are exactly the same in this regard. Similar to the above, methane contains less energy by volume and more by mass than the previous fuels, and it is more volatile than both, to the point that it can't be liquefied at room temperature. It's therefore distributed as a gas through pipes, or as a cryogenic liquid.

>gasoline is basically hexane (6 carbons) and octane (8 carbons)
It's a complex mix of different chain lengths and shapes (some rings and branches) that averages about 7-8, along with a variety of other chemicals.

>This is why high octane gas contains more energy and provides more power and fuel efficiency.
"High octane" gasoline has a high octane rating, which is a measure of a fuel's resistance to auto-ignition from compression (relative to a particular isomer of octane). Gasoline engines use spark plugs to ignite the fuel at a particular point in the compression stroke, so premature ignition would be a problem. But higher compression allows the extraction of more energy from a fuel. High octane gas can handle higher compression ratios, and therefore be used in engines with higher compression ratios (and therefore performance). It doesn't contain more energy than a similar lower-octane gas, and it has no performance advantage in a low-compression engine.

>>2917603
He was raising another man's child as his own, unknowingly, due to infidelity. Literally a cuckold. The term comes from cuckoo birds, some species of which lay their eggs in other birds' nests.

>>2918845
>the charcoal "taste" people talk about
You mean the meat drippings falling on the hot coals, being pyrolized into more complex and flavorful chemicals, then smoking off to land on the meat?

>>2915654 (OP)
Hank hill reunion is actually tonight on Hulu also the first episode of the reboot where bony is an Asian fusion chef

>>2915685
Yeah the episode is “Rich Hank, Poor Hank”, where Bobby overheard his parents talking about Hanks $1000 bonus, and thinks he earns that much every day.

Hank does okay, and is good at his job, but they’re middle class at most, and Arlen seems to be a fairly low-cost of living town.

He does have the odd windfall, like winning a sales contest at work by selling a trailer park owner kits to convert the whole park to propane (I think there’s a cash prize), but they’re far from rich. I think I’m the episode where they go to Japan, they can only afford it because the newspaper Peggy is working for at the time, pays, in exchange for her writing a story about Hanks Japanese half-brother. They mention they usually go to Denton once a year on vacation.

Hank only has a high-school education, and used to work at a jeans store before he got the propane gig.
He could probably make more doing a trade, since he’s shown to be extremely handy, and an excellent craftsman, but just loves propane too much (plus he’s extremely loyal to his boss).

>>2915864
He has an extremely nice guitar, upgrades his truck once in a while (paying sticker price), a garage full of tools, and can afford beer, hobbies, and the occasional vacation.
They’re not poor. Maybe middle to lower middle class.

>>2915903
Shitting your bed only affects you.

A faulty septic system can fuck up your neighbors land, pollute waterways / groundwater, and potentially cause structural issues.
It’s the same reason you need to pass a driving test to drive. Because otherwise some moron will hurt others.

i had a dream where a tank of gas kept leaking fluid out and given the retarded gas components in this country i couldn't do anything about it and before i know whole floor is covered in liquid gas and vapours and i was terrified of shit going up in flames but kept flicking switches on and off
eventually filled a whole scrap bucket full of gas and was intensely worried where to even dump it one of the ideas being just dump in on random piece of land and and set it on fire

>>2920692
Hell, I officially live under the poverty line, and I still feel like a rich guy. Eat whatever I want, have enough money for hobbies, get to live in a house, never have to be hot or cold. All it takes is not blowing money on stupid shit all the time.

>>2920871
>Maybe middle to lower middle class.
"Middle class" traditionally refers to salaried, credentialed professionals like doctors and engineers, with "lower middle class" referring to people on the lower income range of these sorts of careers, like teachers. "Working class" usually refers to people who work for a wage in something that does not require a college degree. An underwater welder, for example, is working class despite possibly making more than most doctors.

>>2920897
yeah so the good news is, that definition is retarded because it doesn't reflect the reality of "class" in the real world, which is why anyone who isn't a moron arguing definitions about things they don't know shit about to try to prove some retarded point about muh late stage capitalism or whatever other retarded nonsense just uses the common definitions of

>Upper class=rich
>middle class=comfortable lifestyle
>lower class=poor

>>2920913
Wait until he realizes doctors and engineers are also working class. Bank managers and finances are middle class.

We're all working paycheck to paycheck the middle class did disappear but you don't even know they had way more money than you thought.

Working class is much more useful.

Upper class= generational wealth you can't even imagine
Middle class= nuvoeu rich, maybe very successful business owner
Working class=everyone else

Your definition ignore the actually rich to divide the working class

>>2920914
>We're all working paycheck to paycheck
We're literally all telling you that we're not you retard. I'm what you're calling "working class" and I haven't worried about my bank account since I was like 23. You're poor and retarded, that doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>2920914
>muh proletariat
>muh wage labor
>muh don't you know that there are people in the world who have more money than you
Yeah so here's the thing. I don't give a shit, because that doesn't affect me. I have more money than I need and can afford to do pretty much whatever I want, so the fact that your made up arbitrarily defined class system says I'm supposed to be mad because some retard I've never met can afford more stuff than me doesn't mean shit.

Basically, you're retarded and don't know how to manage a budget, and you want me to be mad about that on your behalf, but uh, I'm just not gonna.

>>2920914
The terms are used to refer to class structure, which is a way that societies divide themselves into groups in certain ways. The "middle class" vs "working class" vs "investment class" has to do with distinctions in career paths, how people make a living, the sorts of interactions they have with institutions, taxes and income incentives, etc. You can redefine terms however you want, but if you want people to use those new definitions of yours, you need to give them a reason to. How do your definitions make it easier to talk about topics of interest? What benefit is there to including the poor, unemployed, credentialed professionals, most business owners, and nearly everyone else in the "working class" group. Do you intend for that to be only significant demographic in the population?

>generational wealth you can't even imagine
Considering that you don't seem interested in describing this group, this seems to be projection on your part. At the alleged scale, it's not even "wealth" but systemic power. Sovereign entities are not constrained as non-sovereign entities are.

>>2920914
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST USE PEOPLES' GENERAL FINANCIAL WELL-BEING AS A MARKER FOR DETERMINING CLASS STRATIFICATION, YOU HAVE TO ADHERE TO THESE MADE UP CLASS DEFINITIONS I READ IN MY ECONOMICS BOOKS WRITTEN BY A DEAD RUSSIAN FAGGOT WHO NEVER ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING IN LIFE AND HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY SHOWN TO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING BY HISTORY

>>2920931
>A MARKER FOR DETERMINING CLASS STRATIFICATION
So, like, the social circles that people interact with? Say, like the people that they knew and networked with in college, and the people they interact with at work? Except not everyone goes to college, so maybe that's an important distinction. And then there are the people who went to college to learn to do some gatekept job requiring credentials, while others made money by using money that their family had made previously, and used college to network with similar people. That seems like another meaningful distinction for describing how people stratify into classes. Could it be that political divisions and cultural practices break along these lines too?

>>2920933
Imagine being selectively illiterate and then getting smug about it

>>2920934
Goodness, more projection. Can you articulate a point?

>>2920933
>NOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT YOU MAKE GOOD MONEY AND OWN YOUR HOUSE AND HAVE A HEALTHY RETIREMENT ACCOUNT AND INVESTMENTS, AND THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO GO ON MULTIPLE VACATIONS A YEAR AND SPEND MONEY ON WHATEVER YOU FEEL LIKE BUYING WHILE PROVIDING FOR YOUR FAMILY AND SETTING ASIDE FUNDS TO MAKE SURE YOUR CHILDREN ARE TAKEN CARE OF, YOU DIDN'T GO TO A HECKIN IVY LEAGUE UNIVERSITY AND RUB ELBOWS WITH SECRET SOCIETY JEWS SO YOU'RE LE WORKING CLASS JUST LIKE ME AND NEED TO RISE UP COMRADE SO WE CAN GET FREE GIBS CAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD MY STUDENT LOANS

>>2920933
>Could it be that political divisions and cultural practices break along these lines too?
Could it be that you're a faggot who's lost the plot?

>>2920937
Right. That stuff doesn't have to do with class structure and social stratification.

>>2920938
>>2920936

>>2920939
>class structure and social stratification.
okay but nobody besides you is talking about that, Jamal. We're talking about Hank's finances.

>>2920942
>quotes a bunch of posts of people telling him he's retarded because we're talking about Hank's finances and not whatever dumb social science bullshit he's trying to harp on about
good job

>>2920944
CTRL+F "class" anon. The question was who (other than me) was talking about class. Well, there they are. And those are links, not quotes. A quote is a verbatim reproduction of something someone has said.
>good job

>>2920946
>The question was who (other than me) was talking about class.
No it wasn't, learn to fucking read, faggot

>>2920949
>learn to fucking read
>>2920940
>nobody besides you is talking about that

>>2920946
>>2920951
I know being born autistic wasn't your choice, but you could at least have the common decency to kill yourself.

>>2920952
>>2920936

>>2916051
>huge
>100 gal
Why you respond when you are clearly propanelet?

>>2920855
reboot ain't till august jackass

>>2921743
You missed the reunion episode, they released the intro where they introduced the black dude and did the Covid mask intro

>>2917603
I'm rewatching koth and they did Dale dirty. He's funny yet the his retardation and cheating wife kinda sucks.

>>2921837
bummer

>>2922063
Every character in this show has a huge, glaring flaw.

>>2922114
What about Boomhauer?

>>2922123
He's a fuckin narc

>>2922126
He's a police officer.

>>2922123
he's a pua type guy

>>2922123
Dude's a simp

>>2922390
>>2922393
Sounds contradictory. What's Boomhauer's actual flaw?

>>2915676
because when retards were haphazardly throwing in septic tanks improperly, people were getting sick and dying.

>>2922413
incapable of basic communication or maintaining a relationship

>>2922440
I thought that the joke was that everyone in the show understood him perfectly.

>The Joke
>>2922453

>>2922469
https://youtu.be/pNZU0SGmYyI

>>2916232
>>raw sewage dumping into the water table
what does that mean sewage decomposes and earth purifies stuff before it gets to the water table which is way below anyway

>>2918513
Mortgage rates are 7.5% right now. Go ahead and lay it out for me. Lay out your numbers, because you're a fucking retard.

In Australia people power their cars with propane / lpg. You just have a big gas tank in the boot. Although this is going out of fashion because of hybrids. Seems mental but i never hear of problems

Anyway, Hank was never presented as wealthy. I'd expect him to earn a typical working class wage in the US whatever that is. I'd expect him to earn like 30 bucks an hour if he was Australian. He's just a boomer so he got all his shit when it was cheap. Cleaner at work was telling me about his nice house which he bought 25 years ago. Shit was so easy back then. Really, fuck boomers

>>2922588
>what does that mean
Anon suggested that improperly-installed septic tanks leak sewage into the groundwater.

>sewage decomposes and earth purifies stuff
Eventually. But until then (and until the effluence flows through enough stuff to filter out the bacteria) there may still be hazardous bacteria in it. Drainage systems built to efficiently process waste can do this in a fairly small area, but that's not representative of just dumping sewage in the ground.
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/if-ground-filters-water-groundwater-always-clean

>the water table which is way below anyway
Varies by location. It might be hundreds of feet down in high, arid places, but in most places where people live, it can be within a dozen or so feet of the surface.

>>2918896
i would rather live in china than the usa and i would move there in a heartbeat if the were open to unskilled westoids.

706 days: 11% remaining. 24 days to go.

Am I Gonna Die?!?!

>>2922674
>Am I Gonna Die?!?!
Well, yes. I hope this isn't news to you.

C H A R C O A L
H
A
R
C
O
A
L

Are these the type of thread I can expect all through summer?

>>2922789
Not unless you know of another long-dead media property with vaguely DIY-related content seeing a revival this summer.

>>2915676
>1955: No regs
>Between 1955 and now: Fuckton of accidents, fuckton of people getting injured, fuckton of mechanical failures, fuckton of people who have no idea what they're doing.
>regs made over the last 70 years to address this
>today: Regs, which can be restrictive, but alot less accidents, a lot less people getting injured, a lot less poorly installed equipment going kaput and leaking raw sewage into the groundwater, and technicians are required to know their shit before starting work.

It's a peculiarly American think to see things in black and white extremes. Yes, over-regulation is a problem, but some checks need to exist to stop people from doing shit like using chalk in bread or causing a house fire by doing dodgy electric work while *saying* you're a fully qualified electrician.

>>2920914
>We're all working paycheck to paycheck
Maybe YOU are. It's a really big problem that maybe one in ten five has any inkling of the most basic financial literacy (budgeting, debt management, elementary investing) and, frankly, with how irresponsibly the financial system extends credit (Can you sign you name? Here's a car loan at 34% APR!) I think it's by design.

No, but seriously, I'm done flaming and have some genuine advice for you: if you're living paycheque to paycheque, you NEED to make a budget, track your expenditures, and determine places where you can make economies, because if there's an accident or an emergency or what have you, you're either gonna have to borrow to cover the expense, fucking up your financial situation even further, or you're going to have to deal with it. This is how a lot of people become homeless. (The other big reason is due to drugs, which are also a massive cash outflow if you're a junkie, but I digress.)

>>2922915
>today: Regs, which can be restrictive, but alot less accidents
And a lot less new entrants to the market.

>It's a peculiarly American think to see things in black and white extremes.
No it isn't. Do you really have no idea what people get up to outside the US, or what they did in the past?

>Yes, over-regulation is a problem
Then the proper response is to remove some regulations, as the anon you replied to is suggesting. But you seem to be dismissing that notion out of hand despite nominal agreement. Curious, don't you think?

>>2922595
Should've bought when rates were low dumbass, not my fault you're stupid.

>>2922973
I love how if you ever dare to suggest that excessive regulation is the source of any problem, the retards will always come out of the woodwork to say shit like "OH YOU YOU WANT TO REINSTATE CHILD LABOR AND PUT LEAD IN OUR DRINKING WATER?" Like there's no possible middle ground between zero regulation and 1984.

>>2922915
if you bothered to read that greentext most of the regulations is essentially getting a license to own a license or being forced to essentially pay money yearly out of pocket or else getting assraped by insurance or student loans for obligatory training courses.

>>2915800
Is propane LPG? That stuff is basically the standard in my country until recently.
When you need the tank refilled you just call a guy and he swaps the tank out.
Every once in a while there's an accident that kills an entire family. Part of the reason why it's on the decline.

>>2923432
>Is propane LPG?
No. Propane is specifically C3H8, a particular chemical. Liquefied Petroleum Gas is a petroleum distillation product that contains a mix of many chemicals, but mostly propane and butane. They are functionally rather similar, but LPG's properties vary with the mix of chemicals in a particular batch.

>>2922915
what about before 1955