Statistically, I believe licensing is a good thing, as it keeps lots of dumbasses who don't know what they're doing from fucking shit up. However, there are tons of people who are licensed who intentionally do half-assed work and don't do things up to code, regardless. There are also some people who intentionally forgo licensing to save on money and whatnot who DO know what they're going and how to properly do things according to code. So there are people who are not licensed who will do a better job and work that is up to code while there are people who are licensed who will do a shitty job and their work won't be up to code. This is the reality.

I've been renting my whole adult life, and one of the biggest headaches with renting is that whenever something goes wrong, the landlord either won't do shit, or they'll send some retarded shithead to come fix your issue. Most of the time, if you're not a dumbass, you can fix the thing yourself and do a better and more proper job than that retarded ape they send over. I've had not one, but two plumbers the landlord sent come over to repair my toilet, and the repair they did is absolutely non-standard. I have no idea where the fuck they even got the idea from. The floor in the second story bathroom is not even, so the toilet sits at an angle. You would need to completely redo the floor in second story bathroom to fix the issue. The floor flange was fucked up and bent somehow, but instead of actually fixing the problem, they just added a bit more wax around it and placed some plastic shims, but these shims were those little plastic crosses I recall seeing people using when installing tile. They also fucked up the floor bolts on the toilet. They didn't fix the issue, they just patched things up a bit. It didn't take long for the toilet to start getting problems again, so I had to take the shit apart and replace the flange. I fucking wish I owned my own house, but I'm still too impoverished at 25.

>>2918406 (OP)
I redid the floors for a financial consultant's relative. Their toilet had some odd handi 6" riser. The previous installers did everything terribly wrong so of course it had completely rotted out 3' of surrounding subflooring.

After repairing the subfloor, I had to bolt together toilet extension flanges with the riser. They couldn't possibly live without the thing.

The property was his in-law's he was slumlording. He was constantly adding small change orders and then questioning the changes in the price. Other times he would demand something be completed then deny that it was even part of the project. Working for these types of people is a complete wash. Do one thing, get your money, get out.

If you rent, only fix something you're sure they can't find out about.

>>2918756
>The previous installers did everything terribly wrong so of course it had completely rotted out 3' of surrounding subflooring.
Yeah, the floor around the toilet is fucked up. My dad told me the whole floor in that bathroom should be redone. Is there a more permanent solution for bathroom floors where you can't get any rotting of the floor around the toilet, like a concrete floor or something? This is the main bathroom of the townhouse on the second floor. Not that I'm going to be able to change anything. I'm just curious.

>>2918757
It's not a shower where we water proof clear into the hole in the ground. An old style concrete floors would hold up longer, but the heart of the matter is the toilet is flushing onto your floor. Every time you pull the handle, you're pouring a pint of sewer into your bathroom.

The best solutions are to install the toilet correctly. It shouldn't be leaking or able to rock on the floor.

Some shit I've noticed even though I'm no plumber. The wax rings are one shot only. It's not going to spring back into place once you smash it down. There are a couple different heights of wax ring which is important if your flange is above or below the floor. If I have any question about setting a toilet, I buy a $10 rubber ring instead of the wax because you can try as many times as you need. If your toilet is rocking, you're going to work the wax out. Metal bolts on a porcelain toilet are a poor solution to stop rocking. I leave a little bit of the backside of the toilet not caulked to the floor just at the chance there might be a leak. So it's known instead of festering for years.

why can I go to any Walmart or auto supply store and buy shit tier R12 retrofit refrigerant in 6 ounce containers by the literal caseload but need a LOICENSE to buy a container of proper R134a?

cause I might accidentally discharge some CFC's?

what about all the fucking retards who dump 3 cans of r12 in their 2004 Pontiac before they realize the reason the AC doesn't work is cause they rear ended some jackwad and the condenser is busted wide open?

I have the proper equipment, I have the knowledge enough to know you shouldn't be using shit tier r12 and should be using the proper refrigerant in your systems... why can I not just be able to buy it?

Licensing is fine.
The problem is that some are too easy to get.
Which results in licensed professionals who are sometimes incompetent at what they're doing.

>>2918406 (OP)
You're complaint or story or whatever is too broad so idk what your point is.

Anyways its neat that you can buy nearly everything at home depot to build a house yet its not legal to do a lot of stuff without legal paperwork.

I have no license and i do electrical work on the side. And at work i work under a licensed electrician and im not, yet many people have said im better than other electricians they used before. And other times ive had people say I'm not an electrician because i dont have a license.

Its gay. I think people should be able to educate themselves and work on their own property and do whatever they feel comfortable doing. Or hire anyone they feel comfortable hiring to have them work on their property.

>>2918840
A lot of people who do DIY work do some of the dumbest shit. Not everybody has the same IQ. DIYing electrical work seems like one of the most dangerous things you could do. Some of the fundamental safety precautions are to use thick gloves, like mechanix gloves, and eye protection. You also need shit like a multimeter that's not an overpriced $20 multimeter that has a chance of exploding that shouldn't even be legal to sell. I would feel fairly comfortable doing some DIY electrical work after doing some careful research, but a ton of people shouldn't even attempt to do so. It's not just the risk of getting shocked, but also of starting a fire.

>>2918844
I only use my meter to troubleshoot weird things and to check voltages before i reconnect a panel. A fluke beeper is good enough for most residential things.

But it does seem like lots of people who can do lots of stuff, stay away from more complex electrical stuff. Like adding new boxes or moving things around and wiring. But they usually can put in receptacles and lights.

>>2918848
>But it does seem like lots of people who can do lots of stuff, stay away from more complex electrical stuff. Like adding new boxes or moving things around and wiring.
That's the most fun shit. The shit that takes a bit of research and lots of messing around with tools. You learn the most from that. I'm just concerned over the thought of some retard starting a fire or electrocuting himself because he doesn't know what he's doing.

Fact of the matter is people do stupid shit and that's why we can't have nice things. Regulations are simply an attempt to mitigate the consequences of people doing stupid shit that will impact others. Sure, you lose freedom and it makes everything a lot more of a hassle, but it probably does prevent a lot of stupid shit that would have done a ton of damage to infrastructure, gotten somebody injured or killed or something like that. If everyone was high iq chads running around being careful, having forethought and discretion, then we wouldn't need any regulations, but we aren't. We're all just a bunch of retards. Some of us learned to be less retarded over time, but never forget you can still be super retarded.

>>2918844
Most people don't care because their only hobby is making more money. Take a house, do dodgy repairs and sell it, they don't know what else to do with their lives besides scam people.

>>2918757
>more permanent solution
Slightly...marine grade lumber.
Also, if you put some water seal on it, that would buy you a little more time.

>>2918829
>Which results in licensed professionals who are sometimes incompetent at what they're doing.
Licensing has NEVER had anything to do with competence. It just makes midwits feel safer.

>>2919865
>marine grade lumber.
What about concrete? I've heard of concrete floors in bathrooms.

>>2919859
I know of a couple examples of people just like this. One of them is now filthy rich. The other one is just pretty wealthy. The one who is filthy rich now owns tons of rental properties in two different states. He's a workaholic who worships money. His philosophy is that if something doesn't ultimately make you money, it's a waste of time. If you learn something, and it doesn't make you money, it's useless information. If you do work, and it doesn't make you money, you're wasting your time. The guy who isn't rich but just wealthy is also very antisocial and frequently has angry outbursts. He grossly overcharged an elderly woman once because she didn't know any better.

>>2918757
why dont you just fully wreck the house and then leave, scientist style?

>>2919877
>scientist style?
I don't get it.

>>2918406 (OP)
Problem is that licensing is just a matter of putting in hours and passing tests that most people can pass just by reading a book.
And, of course, the body that would oversee licensing properly is so expensive that no one would want to suggest it to their mayor/governor/President.

>>2918828
Just use propane, it's cheaper and easier than complaining.

>>2918828
getting a universal card is not very hard, just do it faggot. I'm sure you can put up with either a 1 day class at a supply house or a class at a community college or trade school.

>>2918844
You can do better DIY electrical work than the average romex stapler. It is not hard and everything is spelled out pretty black and white in code.