For years I've wanted picrel. I want a sensible car that is all function and zero capitalism. A car that we will drive after the nuclear holocaust.
But for some reason a simplistic survivalist car costs 50k. I don't have 50k, and I sure as hell wont take a bank loan so I can get a bunch of bent pipe.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't I just build picrel in my garage out of metal pipe for a few hundred bucks?
I'm gonna do it anon.

>>2922429 (OP)
>a few hundred bucks
the engine alone is going to cost a shitload more than that. i'd imagine you can get tons of "build your own car" plans on the internet, but plan to spend $5k-$10k if you use used parts, $40k+ for new parts.

Plenty of people buy kit cars and assemble them in their garage.

>>2922429 (OP)
It is almost trivially easy to make a usable vehicle yourself. It's also very inexpensive, assuming you're buying secondhand for the major components (and, if you have the ability to do this, there's no real reason not to).

It is NOT trivially easy to convince the state to actually let you drive the thing on public roads. Between whether your state even allows special construction titles or equivalent, getting hold of one of those titles, and insurance, the biggest roadblock to would-be builders is the bureaucratic, not technical. I've looked into this a bit. I'm in CA, and CA is actually one of the easier states to register SPCNS vehicles in. Which is insane, because it's fucking CA. What sort of emissions standards you have to meet (if any) is also potentially a problem.

A common loophole is to build something with 3 wheels and call it a motorcycle. Custom motorcycle builds are generally a lot easier to register than custom car/truck builds. Obvious downsides being the need for a motorcycle license and having to wear a helmet in what's potentially a fully-enclosed cabin.

No matter what you do, you have to realize it's still going to be more practical (and likely cheaper) to just fix up someone's old beater. That's not particularly interesting, though, and you don't end up with anything unique in the end.

>>2922477
iirc when you register a self built car you can only really do it on January 1st or 2nd as only a certain number are allowed to be registered per year. Kit car builders seem to not give a fuck and plow through with it.

>>2922508
Depends on the state. In CA, at least, I've heard that story. I've also heard that it's only a thing that USED to be true, and so few are building for a SPCNS registration that they don't go that fast any more.

I have no idea which is more accurate.

>>2922429 (OP)
yeah you can make a car. this is my own project so far. I designed it myself in tinkercad, I dont have much money either so I cant afford someone elses r&d, so this is like the rc cars ive put together just bigger. I think i will have around 5 to 7 thousand dollar into it when its done.

>>2922429 (OP)
>couldn't I just build picrel in my garage out of metal pipe for a few hundred bucks?
If you're asking questions this basic, you probably don't have the knowledge or capacity to build one. But it's super easy to learn if you're serious about it, there's tons of info out there. Read Keith Tanner's How To Build A Cheap Sports Car or the Haynes Locost Guide. Both are good resources to get you thinking about the right way to build your frame and source your parts if it's a project you really want to do. Just keep in mind that it's not a small project and you have to really want to do it. Otherwise, it ends up becoming an unfinished heap of scrap in the corner of the garage, like most kit car projects do.
>I want a sensible car that is all function and zero capitalism. A car that we will drive after the nuclear holocaust.
If that's your only goal, you're much better off just buying an old truck with a mechanical diesel in it.
>>2922621
Howdy fellow locost anon. You're the guy doing the mid-engine build, right? How's it coming along?
>>2922477
It totally depends on the state. When I got a VIN for mine, I lived in Ohio and it was pretty easy. I had to provide receipts for the major components to make sure nothing was stolen, they did a quick inspection in the parking lot at the DMV, an ops check for the lights, and they sent me on my way.

>>2922633
yep hey. its been slow going, like i havent done anything for a few months, after working on that foam part i decided the 15" wheels in the pic were too small I have some 17"s im going to use but I need to remake the spindles and the front lower control arms cause the wheels are so different. Im hoping my experience titling will go as smooth as yours, it seems like pretty much the same process. in IL it seems like having a clear title for a donor is the biggest thing like you need to sacrifice a vin to get a new one

>>2922436

>>2922477
>It is NOT trivially easy to convince the state to actually let you drive the thing on public roads.
That's not entirely true. Maybe in shitholes like CA or NY. In my state, there's just a number of fixed requirements that it has to meet:
>has to do 55MPH
>mufflers
>meet emissions standards
>headlights/taillights/turn signals
>seatbelts
>windshield wipers
That last one is the weirdest, because you don't actually have to have a windshield, but the wipers are non-negotiable.
It's not at all uncommon where I live, and a decent variety of other places I've been to, to buy/build an ORV like a dune buggy/sand rail, make those mods, and get a plate to make it street legal.

>>2922633
What car do I harvest the suspension shit from?

>>2922653
>>2922653
You can buy prefab control arms, coil over shocks and heim joints and build it yourself.

Dana 44 front axle and Dana 60 rear axle

5-speed transmission and transfer case from first gen Isuzu Trooper, with custom driveshafts

Engine options as follows

idleTQ maxTQ maxHP name & year
3.2 (6) RWD 188@4000 190@5600 (93-97) isuzu SOHC / MPFI
3.2 (6) RWD 214@3000 205@5400 (98-02) Isuzu DOHC / MPFI
3.5 (6) RWD 230@3000 215@5400 (98-02) Isuzu DOHC / MPFI
3.5 (6) RWD 246@3000 250@5600 (04) Isuzu DOHC / DI
2.8 (6) RWD 150 125 (89-92) GM pushrod / TBI (Isuzu Trooper)
2.8 (6) FWD 160 130 (87-94) GM Gen II Pushrod / MPFI
2.8 (6) RWD 195 210 (05-) Cadillac CTS DOHC / MPFI
3.1 (6) RWD 140 (89-92) GM pushrod / TBI (Isuzu Pickup & Rodeo)
3.1 (6) RWD 180 140 (90-) GM RWD pushrod / MPFI
3.1 (6) FWD 180 140 (90-95) GM 3100 Gen II pushrod / MPFI
3.1 (6) FWD 195 175 (93-) GM 3100 Gen III Pushrod / MPFI
3.4 (6) RWD 180 160 (93-95) Camaro V6 pushrod / MPFI
3.4 (6) FWD 205 185 (96-) GM 3400 pushrod / MPFI
3.4 (6) FWD 215 210 (91-97) GM DOHC / MPFI
3.4 (6) RWD 194 160 (99-) GM HT crate pushrod
3.5 (6) FWD 220 200 (04-) GM Malibu 3500 FWD Pushrod / MPFI
3.6 (6) FWD 235 245 (04-) GM Global DOHC / MPFI
3.6 (6) RWD 252 255 (04-) GM Global DOHC / MPFI
3.8 (6) 235 200 GM 3800 Pushrod / MPFI
3.8 (6) 280 240 (-03) GM 3800SC Pushrod / MPFI
3.8 (6) 280 260 (04-) GM 3800SC Pushrod / MPFI
4.0 (8) 200@800 260@4400 250@5600 (95-01) Olds Aurora DOHC / MPFI
4.6 (8) 230@800 295@4400 275 (-94) Cadillac Northstar L37 DOHC / MPFI
4.6 (8) 230@800 295@4400 300 (95-) Cadillac Northstar L37 DOHC / MPFI
4.9 (8) 280-300 200 Cadillac V8 Pushrod / MPFI

>>2922429 (OP)
>simplistic survivalist car
>no bed for hauling shit
>low ply pavement tires
>not cummins b series powered
>doesnt use standard class 8 truck parts for drivetrain and suspension
>plasticfantastic faggy shit all over
[x] doubt

>>2922635
Nice. Yeah, sometimes it's hard to find the time for these big ass projects. Is yours scaled up at all? Mine is already a few percent bigger than a Lotus 7 and I've got 13's on mine that look right. 17s seem like they'd be way too enormous. Are you planning on running rubber band tires? And were you able to pull a vin plate from your engine donor car (if there was one)? Good luck with the titling.
>>2922653
Usually Miata. Most small kit cars are miata based, especially 7s. But like the other guy who accidentally pasted his forum search history into his post said, it's pretty easy to just make your own suspension with heim joints and tube.

>>2922429 (OP)
>sure as hell wont take a bank loan
it won't matter after the nuclear holocaust so you might as well

>>2922477
how could it not be trivially easy?
the FAA lets any jackass build his own aircraft

>>2922700
Its scaled up a little bit, mostly wider the track width is 65", length is 99". ill be using small tires though so its not like a huge difference, these are the two tires. I think with the fenders and headlights it wont look so empty and the 15s probably would work but I get bigger brakes with the 17s and ive been thinking about that a lot. I cut up my donor, which was just my old daily, and i did save the vin plate but I dont think they need it

>>2922640
there are a lot of diy houses and sheds that are quite good so i can disregard this meme

>>2922429 (OP)
Look up a side by side and then swap the engine from there. You'll save a lot of time and money, plus have a reasonable chance of repair manuals and precisely fitted spare parts already distributed across the world

>>2922429 (OP)
full function zero capitalism

build something like brat Pitt drives in Mr&Miss. smith. Kidnapp scene, Desert


thinking about post apocalyptic times go for things you can make easy or find easy,

motor mechanical, hydrogen?

think about what’s easier/realistical, finding fuel (& existing supply chain) or creating own fuel. same goes for oil and repair parts and tools

I'd love to do this someday I just know that right now it would be some turbo expensive unfinished project. Tbh I'll just settle for a carb'd dual sport bike

>>2922429 (OP)
>Just a bunch of bent pipes
They are bent to the standards and plans that guarantee success. Most importantly you need to have and run a tube bender already. Do you have anything to show for us anon today to convince us that this is an undertaking you can make? Only success can reinforce success and you have to attain the small and basic ones first.
If you can't figure out building wheel barrel or bicycle then add power to it, something like car is out of your reach.

>>2922721
I’m sure the homoerotic leathered goon squad the bank barters with to collect your debt will happily accept your wife and child as payment.

Of course if you’re a true road warrior you can survive.

good luck anon, there be some crazy bitches out there tho. picrel was courtesy of a hoe asleep at the wheel with a one block runup

>>2922429 (OP)
>I want a sensible car that is all function and zero capitalism. A car that we will drive after the nuclear holocaust.
That is called a '99 Corolla. What you have there in a toy for rich people.

>>2922429 (OP)
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=yard+kart+with+roll+cage

>>2923723
Steel tube frame, crash absorbers and a steel beam as bumper would have prevented this

>>2924142
...and instead have resulted in horrendous whiplash, concussion, or possibly even death. Do you not know what a fucking crumple zone is?

>>2924144
But the other car has a crumple zone too

>>2924146
Yeah and they both need one. If one car doesn't crumple, the entire force of impact will be imparted on its entire body and by extension its inhabitants. The crumple zone exists to absorb impact and soften the blow.

>>2924148
Just put a big ass spring on the bumper. same shit

>>2924148
The crumple zone exists to raise insurance rates and make you buy a new car.

>>2922429 (OP)
>a simplistic survivalist car costs 50k
those rudimentary dune buggy type things that look like they were weld together at home cost that much?

>>2922429 (OP)
There was a guy selling rally fighters which you make yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bil4pSRFJZo

>>2922429 (OP)
Depends how fast you want to go. Do you plan on using a transmission or all just one gear like a gokart? You're better off just buying a dirt bike or b200rsv

How does One add airbags to this and also how does one trust the airbag to deploy when needed?

In Burgerland I think it's required to have airbags on cars, although I couldn't find reliable source

>>2924442
>In Burgerland I think it's required to have airbags on cars
You're not a manufacturer. So those rules don't apply to your one-off vehicle.