How does one go about having hidden screws or bondings to this degree? I want this chair but I'm not going to spend several thousand dollars on plywood when I can make a worse version myself.

>>2924002 (OP)
Dowels/pegs/biscuits/dominoes and glue

Pocket screws and plugs.

Nail gun too if you go back in and fill the holes.

Or fancy joinery.

>>2924002 (OP)
>I'm not going to spend several thousand dollars on plywood when I can make a worse version myself.
What did he mean by this?

>>2924004
Thanks anon
>>2924007
Donald Judd's furniture is mostly made of plywood and this one in particular costs like 5 grand lol.

>>2924010
That's not plywood

>>2924010
>Donald Judd's furniture is mostly made of plywood and this one in particular costs like 5 grand lol.
It's not plywood, it's glue laminate. That being said, that's one hell of an ugly ass, uncomfortable butt jointed chair to be paying a cool 5k for. if you really want to build one yourself, you're going to need 8mm wooden dowels, dowel marker, a drill and some glue. Drill row of holes into endgrain for the dowels, insert dowel markers, line up endgrain side with piece it butts up against (use a board clamped to target piece as a ruler), push against target piece to mark opposite dowel holes, drill opposite dowel holes, remove markers, insert glue into holes and along strip where pieces butt against each other, clamp and wait until glue sets. Sand and oil or paint to taste.

>>2924010
>this one in particular costs like 5 grand
That horror in the OP made with scrap? I refuse to believe it

>>2924033
A banana taped to a canvas can sell for thousands and even this shitty stool has more effort in it. It's all about your brand

>>2924002 (OP)
When you remake it at least use the correct grain direction for the seat.

>>2924010
>>2924033
Checks out

Wood glue is very strong actually and if you just turn that seat piece 90degree so the grain is running horizontal, you really wouldn't need any fasteners at all, just glue.

Unless you're a real fatass.

>>2924082
Engineering fail, maybe don't give advice

>>2924086
You must be a real fatass.

Gluing 5 boards together is engineering now.

>>2924002 (OP)
>spend several thousand dollars on plywood
wut?

>>2924095

its also not worth $5000 either. theres no special skill or wood used here.

>>2924002 (OP)
>chair

>>2924030
OP is gonna pull his hair out trying to line up those dowels properly, mate.

>>2924010
>his one in particular costs like 5 grand lol.
What in the ungodly fuck?
It's one thing for artisan-made chairs with nice carving and well-turned legs or fucked up epoxy inlays go for thousands, but this is babby's first box made with dowels.
What retards are buying simplistic furniture for this price, and where can I meet them?

>>2924030
>>2924033
>>2924111
>>2924409
ITT: people that don’t know art value. Yes you can copy his design and it’s easy to build. His sell for $5k because he is considered a pioneer and visionary in the US minimalist movement from the past and has his works in the Guggenheim and 30 other museums
>>2924409
> What retards are buying simplistic furniture for this price, and where can I meet them?
> what is an art gallery

>>2924419
Well I'm off to the art gallery then.
I'll huff my own farts, spin some bullshit, and make a killing.
>Ah, but in its unapologetic austerity! the $20 glue-laminate table assembled with the naïve fidelity of toddler-tier joinery.
>One encounters not failure, but a radical manifesto: a brutalist paean to the void, where form, function, and farce coalesce in sublime repudiation of bourgeois craftsmanship.
>That will be the cost of a fancy cnc router, plus tip.

>>2924419
When I see this shitty chair, the first thing I think is not that it's an art piece.
>shitbox costs thousands because it has some dude name on the tag
Masterful scammer

>>2924421
You got the lingo

>>2924422
A big idea of modern art is that you first mistake it for something functional then look closer at it and conclude you were fooled (the chair is not primarily for sitting on) then try to figure out a meaning or reason to build it like that only to realise you were fooled again, and a meaning is not required. Then you realise you are in a room full of people thinking the same thing and they want to have the piece to show their friends how much they know about art and start bidding

>>2924448
why don't you think all that then just go home and put your own together with some boards and nails

>>2924421
wasn't there a sword thread where the guy selling a plank of wood with a few holes in it came to the thread to justify it with similar bs about fitness
we should totally get this art guy to post here

Must be some sort of money laundering scheme.

>>2924482
Because your art friends will consider you a fake art person and not invite you to their wedding in st tropez.

>>2924487
Hunter Biden is an incredibly talented artist.

The greatest con is that he got his child support payments lowered if he agreed to give his daughter some of his paintings.

>>2924487
I think it's something similar to Duchamp's shit. It's taking everyday things and arranging them in a way that questions the extent of what art is. In Judd's case, it's mostly the coldness of his works that look as though they were machine made but upon closer look have the imperfections of human construction. If not for his work as an architect though, I don't think a lot of his furniture or artworks would have the esteem they do today.

>>2924548
Dadaism really gave artists incurable, intergenerational brain cancer.
Thanks, Marcel.

>>2924095
lol it's worse than that, each panel of the chair appears to be two 1x8 pine planks jointed, you can see the wood grain seams down the middle

>>2924419
>The configuration and the scale of art cannot be transposed into furniture and architecture. The intent of art is different from that of the latter, which must be functional. If a chair or a building is not functional, if it appears to be only art, it is ridiculous. The art of a chair is not its resemblance to art, but is partly its reasonableness, usefulness and scale as a chair ... A work of art exists as itself; a chair exists as a chair itself.
>Seat of stool immediately bows in and cracks in half when an adult male attempts to sit in it, as the entire frame of three-quarter inch softwood pine buckles and collapses in on itself

>>2924576
pine is stronger than you think moron

>>2924665
yeah, which explains why he quickly stopped using edge-jointed pine in favor of plywood

>>2924665
Look at the direction of the grain and where the joint is on the seat of that chair, anon.
That's just asking for trouble, having that right where the heaviest load on the furniture is.

>>2924665
My ass would destroy that chair 100%
Do not underestimate my power level

>>2924576

honestly the take that furniture or buildings shouldn't be non-functional is just silly, how does he come to terms with things like pagodas; are they just entirely meaningless structures to him?

>>2924691
not a pine problem

Hey, I figure I can ask this here since bows are technically sporting goods not weapons, can I still follow along to this tutorial https://youtu.be/FJ4Xl8usH6Y if I can't get my hands on red oak boards? The guy has another one for hickory but I can't get that either cause I'm in Eastern Europe.
I can probably get black locust, maybe ash, cherry or walnut but that's a maybe, can I make a boardbow with one of these? What extra things will I need to watch out for?
Never done any woodworking before so I'm a bit lost.

>>2924002 (OP)
>this is 5 grand
The fuck lmao, this looks like the kind of garbage the students made during architecture school. It's like that balenciaga scam where you pay 2k for an ikea bag

>>2924004
Like this guy said, dowels and small nails. Looks like the op has filled nail holes

>>2924870
You'd probably be better off asking in the woodworking general than here, but a cursory search says that European Oak, Larch, and Beech are likely all similar enough to Red Oak.
Beech looks like the closest match in terms of density, bend strength, compressive stength, and janka hardness.

>>2925137
That would be cool, I found a place that has ash but it's like a 3 hour drive away but there is a place closer that had beech, I might try that.

>>2924870
Two things:
1. When starting something new, you can go crazy trying to optimize and do everything just right, and it's usually better to just have a go at it. You're going to learn a lot almost no matter which wood species you use (just make sure it's a hardwood pls). Will it be the most powerful durable optimal bow if you use the wrong wood? No, but it won't be that in any case because it'll be your first wooden bow and you'll do lots of other more consequential things wrong too. Don't worry too much. Just have fun and do your best.

2. If you're interested in this for historical reasons, real bowyers would have been using whatever hardwoods they had locally available. They likely were not importing exotic species to make their bows.

>>2924870
That guy is great. I've seen some of his videos. Black Locust is the best on your list. I bet you could find Yew, too, which is a top tier wood for bows. Another option is finding some white oak barrel staves. They are usually cheap because they are an awkward shape for most uses, but he does a video on making a barrel stave bow. I think any of those hardwoods you mentioned would be fine.

>>2925186
>>2925222
Thanks guys, I decided on just getting beech since that's the cheapest and closest to me and just making a low poundage bow, I'm thinking 30# at 28" if it breaks or splinters even with that then I'll do a linen backing.

>>2924050
sometimes knockoff furniture is good, but my friend has knockoffs of picrel; they creak when you lean back and the creak sounds kinda like a fart.

>>2924695
they are built to keep stuff somewhat out of the elements while letting breeze through and letting people see inside, and they do that. an overdesigned chair that works as a chair is fine, a chair that collapses when someone of heavier than normal (although not a complete landwhale) sits on it is ridiculous, like a pagoda that falls over with the first small storm.

>>2924002 (OP)
>several thousand dollars on plywood
that's enough to build an apartment complex

>>2924874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY9bXqvGSS4

>>2925826
Hey man I have to have tons of overhead not to mention INSURANCE just to build the chair for bunch of ungrateful tire kickers. In fact I went into massive debt before even attempting to build the chair and can barely afford to pay myself minimum wage now. The price is the price, nobody knows how expensive running a business can be.

>>2924874
rich people will do anything to appear poor

>>2924002 (OP)
Build the piece of shit entirely out of particle board and then cover it in wood veneer.