Why are these things still used everywhere? Why isn't there just some small device where you place two markers and it measures the distance for you? This is caveman shit.

At what point did this board start having daily official retarded threads?

>>2925105
Speaking as someone that has been here since 2005, since day fucking one. This placed used to be flooded with little shitlords. This image is 10 years old, for example. Before they created the Biz containment board it was nothing but a bunch of shills for crypto and people asking how they could start a business with no money or skills (but a great idea, which they won't tell anyone, because we might steal it). It got so bad that the had to filter the word 'kid' because everyone assumed these mongoloids were underage.

>>2925101 (OP)
Make the shit you're describing work and we'll use it, otherwise fuck off

>>2925101 (OP)
there already is. there are devices that use lasers to measure distance. home inspectors use them often to make sure the company who built the house isn't lying about their square footage.

>>2925101 (OP)
Because alternatives are often way more hassle, more expensive, less versatile
>ultrasound
Bulky and doesn't measure precise points (unless you use a tag, that nobody does) and doesn't measure short distances
>laser
More expensive, doesn't measure short distances, doesn't work in strong sun, hard to aim on small targets over long distances

>bonus
None of them measure over a curve or around a corner.

Lasers are used commonly for the right applications, but you'll rarely see someone that only has a laser and doesn't carry a tape measure in addition.

>>2925101 (OP)
>This is caveman shit
Yeah.

>>2925101 (OP)
Let me guess. It works.

>>2925101 (OP)
I need a board cut to a length of 77 1/4 inches. Describe a way to do this without using a tape measure that is equal in convenience and ease to using a tape measure.

If you can make a device that quickly spits out readings accurate to the 1/64th of an inch using two small markers that also have the ability to defy gravity as they stick to their respective points, then you might have something going for you. The system needs to be able to accommodate varying slope and possible physical barriers, too. Regardless, your original assumption about the tape measure is incorrect. A tape measure is for placing measurements just as much as it is for taking measurements, so your little device would need to be able to project a laser measuring grid accurate to 1/64 of an inch in order to compete with a tape's ability to quickly lay down a series of measuring marks on a line. Also, every measuring device is slightly different, so by using one tape measure you ensure your project is accurate to itself. Handling two markers might save time and decrease difficulty in some ways, but not all, so you're gonna need a tape measure regardless.

>>2925214
Nta, but the thing would either have to be able to project laser marks or perhaps there is a point on the front of the marker that acts as the target distance when it's placed. The problem is you're playing "find the right distance" until you get it in the right spot. Perhaps haptic feedback would help. Regardless, we're well past a $6-$10 tape at this point. Probably upwards of $200 for reasonable features, accuracy and battery life.

>>2925101 (OP)
>Why are these things still used everywhere?
Because they just plain werk.

I have a bosch laser measure that my BIL got me for christmas many years back. Other than taking it out of the drawer once in a while to play with it has never actually been used. Its never handy when I could use it and there is always a tape measure nearby. There are very few use cases where it would work better than a tape measure. Measuring across a room, or from the floor to the ceiling of a tall building, or corner to corner of a frame to square it up are about the only scenarios I can think of where it would be easier than a traditional tape measure.

>>2925220
I use a very nice Bosch laser measure to gather all the measurements I need for trim all in one go. It's probably three or four times quicker than a tape and it's infinitely more accurate, too. A tape gets awkward when you want a distance between two inside walls and you need to do a lot of moving. The laser is literally point and click. Obviously I still bring my tape for short distances, especially outside miters.

>>2925105
well it appears that russia tranes it's shills on 4chan before releasing them in to the wild.

the number of retard/troll/shitpost threads has gone up greatly in the last 3 years.

>>2925101 (OP)
it's called lidar, and costs more than your mom makes sucking dicks in a year.

>>2925101 (OP)
For measuring an unknown distance? Sure, there are numerous alternatives. For marking a known distance? There really isn't anything easier or more convenient than a tape measure.

>>2925238
>...it's infinitely more accurate...
Faster, maybe, and definitely better for long distances or when there's crap in the way of running a tape. Not much more accurate unless you don't know how to use a tape though.
Nowadays if you want fast measurements of everything you get a SLAM scanner.

>>2925106
They filtered kid because someone 1 troll calling everyone kids at the end of his posts got some people hilariously angry

>>2925106
I came right after they started banning guys for asking how to make a machine that would poke a walnut inside a 1" hole repeatedly.

>>2925240
I noticed a big increase during covid when everyone was at home, and it's summer now, so there's that.

>>2925101 (OP)
They make a laser tape measure. I have a bosch one and it's really useful as a framer.

>>2925189
>laser
>more expensive
At this point, barely. My bosch 100ft laser measure cost $45 while a good 25ft tape costs $30 these days.

Did this remodel of a small house recently. Lots of rotten and just fucked up shit so basically every wall was temporarily supported, removed and then reframed. Measured each stud with the laser measure which kept all the cuts really clean and it's quicker than using a tape. Today I put these 4x6 trusses up. They have different sized notched on either side because the floor is 2" out of level over about 14 feet, but now the trusses can sit level. Used the laser measure to measure the inside distance (notch to notch) then used it again to measure the total length (outside to outside of top plates). Obviously every truss was slightly different because it's an old fucked up house. If I didn't have the laser measure I would have had to have my helper stand on the other side of the room, stretch my tape out and manually measure each distance. Would have taken about double the time and been less accurate at the end of the day. Just showing a real life scenario in which the laser measure is useful. It's got a permanent spot in my tool bags.

>>2925101 (OP)
>small device where you place two markers and it measures the distance for you?
what the fuck do *you* do with tape measures? throw the motherfuckers?

>less than $10
>Just Plain Works
You need more?!

>>2925189
These shits work in the sun why wouldnt it?

>>2925319
What the fuck are these fake trusses??

>>2925319
yeah this is fucked up

>>2925459
>Fake trusses
Lol how would you come to that conclusion? They're not fake, they're structural and will be exposed once the place gets finished.

>>2925101 (OP)
i hate these too, wish they'd bring pic rel back.

>>2925101 (OP)
It works

>>2925319
I get secondhand embarrassment from posts like this. YOU are the reason euro cosmopolitans feel comfortable shitting on american carpentry. Just like the "framer" above you who uses a laser measure (there's a set of plans, if you know how to read them your tape will just be used for layout). Please, do explain how you were able to "remodel", "reframe every wall", but you couldn't be assed to put a $20 bottle jack underneath that building and level it. The work you have done looks like shit and always will.

>>2925316
I bring the laser tape to estimates so I dont have to bang a tape all around their family photos while measuring. Also it makes me feel professional.

>>2927988
>$20 bottle jack to level house built on slab foundation

Can you explain how this is done?

>>2927988
>there's a set of plans, if you know how to read them your tape will just be used for layout
Lmao nigger wtf are you talking about. Have you only ever worked with pre-built frames or something?

>>2927974

>>2928031
No need on a slab if I'm reframing the walls, is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha? Look at the fucking picture in the post I replied to. Explain to me need for a notch on either end of the "trusses".
>>2928032
90% of cuts are previously done, marked with a chalk line, or marked in place. Rafters and stringers are marked out using a framing square by an experienced carpenter (Not you). Go ahead, tell me why you need a laser taper on a new frame. One single use case. Because as far as I'm concerned they are only useful for crown.

>>2925319
the hell?

>>2928111
Hadn't put the blocking and screws in yet when I took the photo. Everything was tied together using 6" SDS screws.

>>2928069
There is a need for a notch on the trusses because the floor slopes down 2" on one side and subsequently the top plates are 2" out of level. The trusses are notched so they sit level which is important because visually you could sight them against the top of the door, soffit or cabinets on the other side of the room. The ceiling on one side of the room was also furred down so the point where the drywall meets on wall and ceiling was the same on both sides. There's also going to be T&G going over the drywall on the ceiling and it's important the reveal on either side is the same or at least within an 1/8th. Yeah, it probably would have been easier just to demo everything including the slab but that's not what the client wanted so we worked around their desires. Is this all going over your head? Probably not something you deal with in tract homes?

>>2928123
>There is a need for a notch on the trusses because the floor slopes down 2" on one side and subsequently the top plates are 2" out of level.
You framed new walls right? Why are the top plates still out of level? Knock the sawdust out of your ears, spit the godamn asbestos out, im sure you can figure out what the fucking issue is.

You're literally clueless about what kind of job they're used, I work in construction (specifically, I build houses of lumber) and we cut, nail and measure lumber like every 10 seconds and measure tapes gives you the flexibility, speed and reliability necessary to not look like a retard putting a dot in a piece of 48" to cut it to 45, also, the muscle memory is all in these kind of jobs and it's really easy to acquire it with those babies.

>>2928214
Because we didn't reframe the roof and thus the walls still need to fit into the seat cuts for the rafters. Jacking up the whole roof wasn't an option.

>>2928263
What the fuck kind of bizarre excuses are these? You could reframe everything besides the roof?

>>2928270
Yeah. I don't decide what the client wants or doesn't want to do.

>>2928285
Shit copout excuse. You do get to decide the quality of work you do. Blaming the customer is as unprofessional as you can be. Like I said originally, YOU are the reason people shit on american carpentry.

>>2928323
Lol you're a dumb fuck man, just quit. Retards like you who think the only time your tape measure should be used in framing is during layout are the real reason people shit on Americans. And at the end of the day why the fuck do you care what Europeans think?

>>2928471
You can't read a set of plans? I know you've never bid a job, because your boss tells you what to do.

>>2928500
I can do everything carpentry related from the foundation to the doorknobs while following a plan. What are you trying to prove?

>>2928530
That I got a bigger cock than you. We can check with a fatmax or a lazer, it won't change the result.

>>2928553
Right on brother

>>2925101 (OP)
>retard never needs to measure round things

>simple
>mechanical
>doesn't need electricity

>>2925289
Yes, more accurate. You point and click and it's always the same. The tape will always introduce a margin of error because it will twist and turn and bend. The laser lets you get an accurate measurement on locations the tape cannot, such as the middle of the baseboard on a run just above the ground. You can say it's marginal if you'd like, I don't care, but to outright deny this simple fact is wrong.

Because it doesn't require a battery

>>2928605
>pi tape has entered the chat

>>2925419
Yeah, you hold the end of it and you chuck the other part in the direction that you're trying to measure something, it's a huge pain in the ass running over there to see what the measurement is before it has time to recoil though

>>2925319
Wait wait wait
So every week needed replaced, and half the roof deck, and the rafters were shit

BUT
you replaced the walls first while a rotten roof sat on them, requiring temporary supports, instead of tearing down the roof which clearly had to be rebuilt anyway, and reframing everything without the extra labor of temporary supports?
And why all that bridging betwixt the studs? Did you run sheathing horizontally?
4x6 ceiling joists??
And why hand built trusses???
Rafter, ceiling joist, collar tie and purlin is how a roof is traditionally framed
Trusses only make economical sense when 10/hr Mexicans build them at a factory
No.

>>2929834
Wall needed replaced*

>>2929834
Don't even reply to me if you don't know what midspan/header blocking is you siller nigger

>>2925438
>why come a thousands-of-dollars surveyor laser works in the sun when a $30 home depot 100ft laser does not?
real mystery idk anon

>>2930105
>>why come a thousands-of-dollars surveyor laser works in the sun when a $30 home depot 100ft laser does not?
>real mystery idk anon
The real reason is your human eye has to be able to see the beam on the $30 home depot one. Whereas the real surveying lasers have optical sensors on the receiver that pick up the beam without you having to see it. In fact I've tried to look for the beam on my Spectra Physics dual slope laser and you cannot detect it by eye at all. Even in pitch black dark.