>try to become tile guy
>everyone always gets pissed at me for not being fast enough
>always get forced into helper role
>people get offended when I ask to be paid for my work

Is tile the worst trade?

The best tilers I know are slow af.

Contractors that bid low race around and the customers wonder why their tile cracks later on or they have water issues in wet areas that weren't prepped correctly.

Get good and work toward managing your own business. You only have to put up with these people for a little while. Learn why they're fast and where they need to be better.

>>2925610 (OP)
People want everything done yesterday.
That one of the reasons everything is poorly made

>>2925610 (OP)
maybe its just not for you.

I'm pretty good at doing fine mechanical like when you can't actually see WTF your hands are, which many just can't, and pretty good at carpentry from walking beams to cutting straight by hand and setting door frames good and fast....

but I can't finish concrete or smooth mud to save my life and I've had the best in the biz try to train me. Only thing I'll do is create more work for others to fix my shit.

there are people who are "great cooks" but just can't adapt to production in a fast paced kitchen, but others it comes natural.

People pay big bucks for good tile work. Just do this >>2925615. Get a reputation

The last tiler that came around here fucked everything up.

>>2925610 (OP)
>Is tile the worst trade?
Ask the Russians.

>>2925610 (OP)
Get good at measuring and planning layouts for slab work, then you can work slow (and get paid really well). I'm talking porcelain and natural stone slabs.

Just do it faster you retard. Who cares about quality?

>>2927683
That's OP's and a general problem. Trades get upset they can't do their best work but also are stuck working in subdivisions. Quality = time = money, so work where people are willing to pay for quality or do a shotty job faster.

>>2925610 (OP)
Tiling is mind-numbingly boring and easy work. It's overpaid for what it is. I guess you just ain't cut out for it kid.

>>2925610 (OP)
Yea by far. The repetition of laying subway tile alone in an empty house can really suck if you’re not into it. Some people enjoy the grind, but the rest of us need drugs.

>>2927751
Some of us are satisfied by peak autistic perfection. The trick is to find clients or contractors that will pay for that kind of execution and understanding of the materials.

The high price has merit and hiring the scabs is going to come back around eventually.

>>2927720
If you're a wagie and not providing independent work, speed is the only important metric. If someone hired you personally and said that you're working too slow, that's when you can start the banter, like telling tye faggot to >>>/diy/

>>2927756
Pretty much why I work for myself. I take my time and charge a lot more than my competitors due to time, but the results are night and day. Currently on a job where the contractor has another guy (who restores stone) but is cheap and subpar, I just take on the very good clients for them. If I wanted I could expand but the headaches aren't worth the slight increase in income.

>>2927683
Just slap that shit in so your boss can eat crow when the callbacks pile in. They've earned it.

>>2925610 (OP)
since there is no /tile general, and this is about tiles, how could be fixed, compensated (or at least maked up) a little difference between levels?
I'm laying a bathroom and the walls weren't squared, the client didn't wan't I fixed it (uuff!!!, that is a good thing), but when doing the walls there is a misalign just like the head of 1/8 bolt.
I was thinking to use wood/plywood and cut a small and long stripe, lay it apply the mud wait and lay the next level.
But I wonder if there is another way?
Thanks,

>>2929184
You can pour leveler or manage as best you can with layers of underlayment then sanding or floating the edges. You could also mud set using a dry deck mud to pack everything level.
https://youtu.be/iDprJmmGyLg

>>2929187
great idea, anonbro, thanks.
Now that guy says it's a modified dry made with Portland, did you know what is used and the proportion?, it came handy because usually these aren't too often at local stores (even at the lowesdepothomewhatever).
Thanks again very handy.

>>2929219
Dry pack is deck mud. Tile stores sell it for pans. You can mix your own 4 : 1 portland to sand. Mixing dry or similar method is to my understanding a stronger curing mix pretty much mortar across the board. The more water you add, the less hydrogen bonds are available to some degree. That's the sacrifice made to be able to pour and tool the mix.

When I hear "modified," I think plastic additives. I believe these improve bonding and are preventative of brittleness in thin application.

Setting the tiles manually by building up mud is much slower and involves some skill. It's cheap and the results are great. Most companies are going to drop the 10-15 $30 bags of self-leveler and be done with it.

>>2925610 (OP)
Any trade that could actually be done on your own if you bothered with it are shit. Being a tiler is one of them. Nobody who's a bit crafty relies on them.

>>2929184
I do slab work, so maybe your traction will vary, but I typically put my straight edge up on the wall and find low points, then parge the wall with so cement to build it out. Alternatively, you can install with a vnotch and then spots on the slab. Not really a method you can do with tiles though.

For floors, that are really bad, dry pack first, which I hire out.

>>2929225
>>less hydrogen bonds
do you have more theory about that, I'm always interested to know more about the chemical reactions of the materials.
>plastic additives.
yeah, I realized it later, but it is preferable to make your own.
>bags of self-leveler
I handled a quarter bag of this but it is not so good as doing the mix yourself. The main difference is this is too much granulate, or the particles are too big and not so pourable,
I measured again the lenght of the difference between the tile rows and it's more like 2/8 in. (if mm are used they are like 6).
I don't know if to level the entire row, since it's the corner tile only and perhaps is easier and less work to cut the 2/8in,6mm, the detail is the row is unleveled with relative to the next wall)
Like picrel.jpg but the misalign it is the 2/8 and the right tile is on the right wall relative.
The client says he doesn't care, but Idk what is less prone to be noted, more aesthetic,since the level with the dry pack/deck mud would be right above the wash basin,kek.
Thanks a lot again,anon.

>>2929473

>>2925610 (OP)
If it's just basic bitch tile work then yeah no shit. A monkey could do it. I did tile work in pools for a couple of summers and I made on average 3k a week until my partner decided he didn't want to do pool shit anymore

>>2929276
>Any trade that could actually be done on your own if you bothered with it are shit
That's 90% of trades with the advent of the Internet. Unless it is something incredibly skill intensive like wood working or sculpting you can probably figure it out yourself