>no drilling
but then where does the concrete go?

ramsets hit concrete like a headshot

>>2926912 (OP)
It spalls and powderizes so no holding strength, only side-to side strength.
Never use to mount on walls or ceilings.

>>2926915
huh

>>2926915
You are so wrong

>>2926912 (OP)
>>2926923
I’m with this ramset salesman here….
Concrete is very plastic and elastic (like rubber) so it just moves out of the way and recompresses on the nail.

>>2926928
Ah yes, rubber. That's why we can build the world's tallest buildings with it.

>>2926915
nothing has holding strength in concrete though
concrete is for compression strength

>>2926942
>nothing has holding strength in concrete though
>concrete is for compression strength
Wedge anchors take advantage of concrete's compression strength and do in fact have holding strength.

Everything else seems pretty gimmicky to me. Ramset nails and redhead screw anchors are hit and miss on whether they will actually do the job properly.

I recently had to remove some framing nailed into a block wall. I figured, much like anonymous, that there's no way a nail in concrete has much pullout resistance. After fighting with two nails, I decided I'd just get my grinder (no guard) and cut them off. Those buggers hold like a hot damn.
Presumably it does break up a bit locally and bind up on the nail -- probably a similar mechanism behind why rock bolts work.

>>2926912 (OP)
It doesn't go anywhere, it's pulverized and compressed against itself around the nail.

>>2927109
>solid matter known for compressive stength just compresses on itself, trust me bro

>>2927128
yes anon, steel can be coldworked

>>2927143
Are you the guy that ordered a basement slab of “cold rolled concrete” and just got a bunch of rubble delivered?
Of course you are.
Don’t forget to anneal your concrete before and during working it as it work hardens, eh?

>>2927145
im the anon with the concrete pegs

>>2926912 (OP)
Don't shoot them into concrete that has lots of aggregate, gravel or other small stones. It just blows out and comes flying back at you.

i'm a framer and we never use these, we use 3 in 3/16 tapcon screws with a hex head for non-load bearing walls and then 6 in 5/8 titan bolts for retrofitting loadbearing walls, sometimes 5/8 all-thread epoxied into the slab if the engineer wants it

>>2927222
This. Also fuck those screws they snap to often.when going in

>>2927264
They do. Ill fuck up the holes then add a zip tie. Thats better often the just a tap con.

>>2926912 (OP)
concrete is porous

>>2927222
I'm a framer and use these quite regularly, especially on old concrete. Tapcons are garbage, I'd rather use a galvy spike with a piece of wire. We hand bang our mudsills with fluted crete nails on fresh foundations. Northern new england.

>>2926914
BOOM

With as much pull out resistance as your own mother

>>2926912 (OP)
Like shit, the same way any anchoring method in solid concrete does.
The right way to do it is to plan your walls and set bolts in before you pour.

>>2927472
threaded anchors for interior partitions? Lol that level of overkill is a retarded waste of time.
ramset is the best tool for job, the nails have more than adequate shear strength.

>>2927477
>overkill
The mentality of North American construction standards where corporate office towers are meant to last lifetimes but private homes should be disposable.

>>2927478
>imagine spending more money than necessary so the next person can enjoy your house after you die
ultimate cuck

>>2926930
I mean...
Has anyone tried?

>>2927534
>I mean...
>Has anyone tried?
Could you imagine how hilarious it would have been if the World Trade Center towers were made of rubber and when they crashed the planes into them they just made a "sproingggggggg" noise and the planes bounced off?

>>2927339
It definitely isn’t. If you’re having trouble with tapcons snapping it is 100% operator error. Either you’re using the same rusty drill bit from the bottom of your bucket of handyman tools, or you’re not clearing the hole properly or something

>>2927496
>I would never leave my house to my children!
More damaged North American mentality.
Everything you buy must be disposable and you must never transfer wealth generationally that is for (((Them))) not for you.

>>2927468
That's why I'm here. Some of the ram set nails never come back out. Other times the concrete explodes.

If you are a poorfag a good alternative is just drilling a hole in the concrete and ramming two nails in the same hole. Just werks.

>>2926912 (OP)
concrete is a porous matrix, the nail is pushed in and the concrete matrix compressed to the sides.

>>2927631
I find old 50 year old slabs are something you want to tapcon or use lead/zinc anchors, or both. Old concrete tends to explode with a ramset.
New concrete tends to work ok with a ramset.
Don’t know why this, it just is.

Hilti drop in anchor FTW.

>>2927128
Correct. That is what happens.

>>2927706
>Don’t know why this
Concrete is in a constant state of curing. It keeps getting harder and harder and harder the older it gets, provided that there is humidity in the air or moisture in the ground underneath it for it to absorb water from. And the downside to being harder is that it's also more brittle.

>>2927588
No one leaves their house behind to their kids, it gets reverse mortgaged to pay for end of life medical expenses

>>2927861
>to pay for end of life medical expenses
Going on cruises and sitting at the vegas slots are not medical expenses.

>>2927128

>>2926912 (OP)
it just gets displaced, it's like hitting water

>>2927869
Cruises are cheaper than retirement homes and often cater to elder health needs.

>>2927869
>>2928322
Also its significantly like orders of magnitude cheaper to sail around the coast of Mexico and Caribbean in a US ship to get your meds than to get them through US doctors.

>>2928324
My dream is stumbling into an ER while deathly ill and holding a doctor at gunpoint demanding life saving treatment. You couldnt do that with a functional health care system.

>>2928324
>>2928322
>You see it's actually reasonable to rob your children of generational support when you think about it!
I hope you're rendered mentally unfit to make your own decisions and your children dump you in a shitbox to get beat by a fat sheboon.
But let's be real, you don't have kids.

>>2927534
imagine the smell

>>2928418
>imagine the smell
Like harbor freight in the caster section of the store.