/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!
Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/Balding

Reminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.

Holy trinity:
Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride
Lotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil
Shampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoconazole

Finasteride is a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor that prevents free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, this is called androgenic alopecia.
Fin mostly prevents your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, though some people see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.
5ar inhibitors are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg fin can reduce DHT by 68% while 5mg reduces by 72%. 0.5mg dut blocks up to 95% but its more expensive and harder to get prescribed.
Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.
These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. The half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects that persist after ceasing fin are not real and have no basis in reality.
Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.

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Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.

Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia alone. Can only be taken topically.

Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.

Previous thread: >>18441653

I have several cats and I need to start min. What are some good techniques/habits I should do to keep them safe?

I think I plateaued on fin, plus I'm pretty sure my DHT suppression isn't all that great, isn't DHT responsible for increased sebum and body odor?
Because I still get plenty of that even after fapping once.
I think I'm gonna add 0.5mg dut every week, because Dr. B (telemedicine site) only writes you 0 refill 90ct dut prescriptions for $15, and the half life in the body is something like 30 days.

>>18454857
better not risk it
min growth is temporary anyway
get on fin/dut instead
can always start min when your cats are dead

>>18454857
Keep the bottles sealed, maybe don't do topical to keep the chance of your cat's licking your head or your pillow with min residue to zero.

>>18454857
i do nothing at all and have never had a problem. just dont feed them it and youll be ok

>>18454854 (OP)
Should I start getting worried?

How cooked am I
23
do I need to start taking finasteride for the rest of my life

>>18454888
You're probably fine unless you're noticing lots of small growth hairs around the hairline, that would be thinning.

>>18454914
fin and min now

>>18454861
>"you attest that you're gonna drop all other hair loss drugs if prescribed dut right?"
>uhhh ok
>sent pre-fin pics of my head
>paid $15
>got dut prescription in 5 minutes
this shit feels so weird, I'm getting shit prescribed by a chatbot

>>18454854 (OP)
does anyone have less body hair and less stinky sweat on both dutasteride and minoxidil?
i'm on 2.5 mg dut, 2.5 mg min, body hair is still the same, sweat doesn't stink much (but maybe it's because i shower and wash everything everyday)

>>18454933
The real way to find out is to spike your hormones by fapping several times in a row and seeing if you get BO and oily skin/hair, and comparing it to pre-dut.

I'm on 1mg fin and 2.5mg min every day and my hairline as been the same for months, a bit receded on the temples. Should it start regrowing or is keeping it the same the goal? I can't tell if its the same or worse, but I doubt its getting worse.

>>18454970
some people do 5mg

>>18454988
for oral min i mean

Be honest. Is it actually working? No, not the minox. That shit just masks it like mousse.

What do we think of minoxidil induced facial ageing?

If I stop using minoxidil now and just stick to fin going forward, will I 'lose' a lot of hair that was actually gained from min? Or will I keep my gains so far if I stay on the fin?

>>18454854 (OP)
any one else drinking minox 4 drops a day ?

how is the progress?

>>18454995
what the fuck is this that can't be real

>>18454994
it's working, it's just glacially slow because the hair cycle is slow as fuck too, you're undoing years of damage so it makes sense
My hairline is slowly creeping down but after a year I wish the new hairs would go terminal already and not shed at 2 inches.
gonna add 2x weekly dut soon

>>18454995
nobody knows whether min gains that have grown to terminal will stick around even if you drop min but keep blocking DHT, if they're not terminal yet then I'm sure they'll fall out pretty quickly

>>18454997
lmao

>>18454999
>gonna add 2x weekly dut soon
while doing fin?
why not just daily dut?

how long does it take for regrowth in diffused thinning cases?
7 months since i started shedding
2 months of 0.5 mg dut
5 months of 2.5 mg dut
not seeing any improvements on the patches, but the hair fall has greatly reduced

>>18454970
be patient
also, I recommend switching to dutasteride, it's just overall a better drug

>33 years old
>On oral fin + min for 2 years and 5 months now
>From the side you can see the corner of my hairline weaken
>From the top you see an entire line of baldness in the middle like women's balding
>And on the crown there's a big thin spot
Fuck my hair genetics
Why hasn't science properly solved this shit yet?
I'm so sick of falling for memes. Am I really gonna buy a dermaroller just for it not to do shit?
Why do men get so stigmatized for wearing hats indoors? I can't fucking stand having my transparent-hair-scalp exposed. I can't think about anything else. It actually briefly makes me want to die.
I'm not even trying to get pussy, I just want to walk around care freely. FUCK

>>18455044
switch to 2.5mg dutasteride

>>18455045
My cum is already watery and my balls occasionally hurt from fin. I can't even imagine what dut would do.

>>18454999
What do you mean by 'terminal'? How long does it take until my minox hairs become 'terminal'?

>>18454914
>How cooked am I
You need to get on fin ASAP
>for the rest of my life
It's a scary thought but it's not any worse than brushing your teeth for the rest of your life. I just take a pill while I prepare breakfast and don't think about it the rest of the day. I've been taking fin for about 18 months (diffuse thinning) and don't think I've recovered much density but I seem to be maintaining what I've got so far.

>>18454970
>keeping it the same the goal
I think that's the realistic expectation. I've been on fin for 18 months and while I don't see any more hair I haven't lost any either.

>>18455046
how often do you cum?
i have a similar experience
2.5 years in 1 mg fin and 2.5 mg min
then i go on a sex crazed gooner frenzy in september and edge myself for hour long sessions over 2 weeks, some times, twice a day
start shedding hair rapidly by the end of september, really think i am gonna go bald
switched to 5 mg fin for a month, switched to 0.5 mg dut for two months, then finally switched to 2.5 mg dut
i had never shed hair like that and my fin+min intake was consistent for 2.5 years
now i only jack off once per week and most of my hair fall is gone
i still lose about 10-15 hairs per day and about 100 when i wash with shampoo+conditioner, but it's significantly better than before

my diffuse thinning is worse on the left than the right

Why THE FUCK does everyone make out like rubbing something on your head for a couple second each morning is some herculean effort? So many people in subreddits sayjng they're quiting, or just generally complaining about, minoxidil because its too much effort to apply it every day. You don't even need to be that fucking consistant with it, you can miss a day every now and again and nothing bad will happen.

>>18455069
if you're diffuse thinning it's a pain to do the entire scalp every day for the rest of your life

>>18454918
baby hairs don't necessarily mean you're thinning. I've had baby hairs all my life, and my mom has a lot of them too. Hairline still look good

In a decade, it'll just be standard procedure to rub some PP405 cream on your scalp for a few days every 3-6 months, and balding will simply not exist

>>18455202
But that doesn't fix the root cause, that's an adjunct treatment similar to minoxidil, to undo damage.

>>18455202
how do you know its not daily?

diffused thinning all over the scalp is the worst
at least with a receded hairline, people will say "oh, he's mature or old"
but then you have diffused thinning which makes your entire scalp look like you just got out of an intense hair pull competition
>>18455202
god i hope so
i am still surprised it took this long
i mean, it sounds easy doesn't it?
we already know the most common reason for balding in males: follicles shrinking due to dht
all we need is something to kill dht on the scalp and revive damaged/dead follicles
>>18455218
even if it's daily, i'll do it

>>18455221
>all we need is something to kill dht
that's basically dut
we only need the second thing still

>>18455002
well I don't want to cut fin cold turkey to avoid a massive shed, I keep reading that 0.5mg dut twice a week is basically identical to taking it daily once it's built up enough in your body.
If it's really leaps and bounds better than fin, I'll taper off and switch over.

>>18455221
The worst looking but the easiest to recover from. In a way if you're balding and commit to meds for life its actually the ideal pattern to start with

5 months oral fin 3 months drinking topical minoxidil and using it topically rarely (lighting is actually consistent and was the harshest i could make the light)

Juat shave it. You faggots make the same thread when thisnis the only advice you need

>>18455249
20 years old, by the way

>>18455249
Bald faggot.

>>18455249
I shaved and felt exactly as bad if not worse about my look except now taking a shower and sleeping was more umcomfortable. The dirt worst was the 4 months in between pure baldness and my current balding self where my diffuse thinning made me look 70 years old.

>>18455252
>>18455255
And this is how you look from the front. The back of my neck was one of the worst parts and I'm not even fat.

>>18455249
shaving your scalp is one of the most high maintenance hairstyles, it is also one of the worst looking.
you are better off just rocking a skullet, you'll look like shit, but it's better than looking like shit + doing a shitload of maintenance

>>18455228
yeah but it's expensive as hell and not as effective at smaller dosage
2.5 mg dut is the only way to get effective scalp dht reduction (not serum dht)
>>18455229
i assume the follow up period means after you get off the meds?
>>18455230
well, it's been about 7 months since i started diffuse thinning and taking dut (first 2 months on 0.5 mg, then switched to 2.5 mg), haven't seen any progress on my patches
only reduction in hair fall
yeah, gonna stick to 2.5 mg dut for life
i'm 28, will worry about this for the next ~20 years, then go bald

i trimmed entire scalp once and looked hideous
don't do it if your skull shape is weird or you don't have the facial features to pull it off
not everyone has a face like jason statham

>>18455272
I figure when I get in my late 40s and mid 50s is when I'll just stop caring and still not shave. Balding old men with grey hair and wrinkles are extemely common.

>>18455274
yeah
when your skin starts aging and your hair starts greying, no one will care if your hairline has receded or if you have bald patches over your scalp
honestly, people wouldn't care about this shit if it actually happened at that age (when approaching 50) instead of traumatizing young guys below 30

>>18455064
>>18455046
this narrative of losing a shit ton of hair after a gooning session gets brought up so often, maybe not fapping is a valid DHT suppression technique

Can temples ever be recovered on fin alone? Norwood 2 for example

Do any of you guys have the 5mg Finasteride that needs to be cut up into quarters? I just got my shipment and it came with a pill cutter, but these pills are TINY. How on earth am I supposed to cut these up in an evenly distributed way? This pill cutter is a plastic piece of shit and all the chunks are slightly different sizes.

I can’t help but think this whole finasteride idea is just me coping in slow motion. I think I would be happiest if I could just accept being bald. But I can’t, so here we are. If I do experience negative side-effects from the finasteride, when might I expect that?

Eu bros where do u get ur fin?
Ideally withour prescription

>>18455330
Why without prescription? It's not hard to get a prescription. Tell doctor you've shed for months and want to get on it

>>18455046
damn, I'm really glad I got zero sides not a single ballache, loss of libido or thinner cum
>>18455314
I cut them with a surgeon's scalpel, once you score them it's easy to break into roughly equivalent quarters
>>18455330
minoxidil express, UK>EU/UK

>>18455328
I got on it a few days ago and found this thread, my doctor put it very well. Young guy, lots of hair. I was worried and asked him about permanent side effects and he just told me he prescribes it to like 100 people a month, and that only one person suffered from low sex drive and he got it back by coming off it.

He made me feel very reassured. You read a lot of horror stories online but a lot of it is placebo too and the loudest voices are the loudest. It reminds me a lot about covid. There are people talking about "long covid" to this day. Basically a lot of people make an identity out of being the victims of some injustice. You can't trust everything you read online

>>18455314
They will be close enough. Since your pills are 5mg you have an extra 1mg variance spread across those quarters.

>>18455328
Realistically a month or so. Don't go into it expecting them or you will psyche yourself up and end up imagining things. They are incredibly rare and honestly there are just as many arguments saying finasteride is perfectly safe.

>>18455046
First day I took fin my ball ached a bit. Found it peculiar. Ached a bit yesterday too. I did not suspect fin because I didn't think it would be so instant. Fin makes your balls ache?

too far gone bros, do you think there will be a way to get your shit back in our life time? surgical or meds or otherwise (inb4 turkish hairlines, not enough donors for that)

>>18455345
I read about follicle cloning in a youtube comment a few days ago

>>18455346
heard someone say cloning individual parts is a pipe dream, doing a whole human is easier than that.

>>18455348
I just read the wikipedia and it seems like a japanese company finally succeeded in cloning hair on a mouse but yeah, they always succeed with mice and then nothing happens

>>18455344
Maybe. It's probably unrelated and has been happening forever you just started paying attention due to the medication

>>18455351
It's happened before but not often enough for me not to notice. I laid in bed and reacted to how my ball was aching. I knew I took fin an hour earlier but figured it was way too early to get side effects, and I just thought maybe my leg pressed against the testicle a bit much. It hasn't ached since. I can take one ache. It'd only be a problem if it actually was fin and my nuts started aching constantly but it hasn't happened since, so maybe or maybe it wasn't, but found it interesting that anon mentioned it

Maybe I should have just trooned and had the tits surgically removed. Then become a priest and taken a vow of celibacy to cover for the fact that my dick stopped working. I think I could be a priest, honestly. And I wouldn’t even be a sex predator, so I’d probably be a great priest. A secret tranny priest with luscious flowing hair. That should be a movie.

how are people okay with going bald
i dont fucking get it
it's fucking disgusting
you look deformed
i feel physically ill whenever i see my scalp in the mirror

>>18455356
Took it for the first time? It's not from fin if so

>>18455363
There are some people who genuinely luck out and look pretty good bald. But I’m sure not one of them lol.

>>18455344
Happens to me once a month or so. But that and watery cum are my only sides.

My fate if Fin fails to fix my fucked up shit

>>18455431
you still have dut, low dose spiro and estradiol for backup treatments if fin doesn't work

>>18455435
That’s good. It will probably take some time to source a Ron Paul parachute anyway.

people saying "dht is a trash hormone" are just coping right? it helps keep cognition stable and is responsible for beard growth. ive yet to see someone on fin with a full beard. but to be fair hair on head is better than a beard

>>18455435
yeah nibba let me start an onlyfans while we at it damn

>>18455446
past hitting your teens and by that I mean 25 or so (like normally fin/dut dont get prescribed before that, although amerifat doctors dont give a fuck I heard) low or no dht is well *tolerated*. body can use testestorone instead. could be why barely anybody on hollywood can grow anything than a 13 year old iranian boy. could be just shit genetics tho. if you have adhd/depression it could make it worse on theory, or on dht blockers could your brain not be working on full capacity? idk ask your doctors man. losing your hair is pretty rough too so maybe its worth it.

>>18455328
as soon as i took it for me

>>18455361
>>18455431
lol

will fin make me grow man tits? i dont really care about my dick not working (not like I get action anyways), I just don't want tits

>>18455521
maybe

>>18455521
Not unless your estrogen levels are extremely high

>>18455521
I think it's like a 0.5% chance? It can happen. It's just unlikely.

It's unironically worse than the dick thing because with the dick thing you just stop taking it and it fixes itself. The tits thing, by the time you start noticing it, there's no going back. Your tits don't become normal again after you stop taking it.

I already have small gyno and chronically puffy nipples (pic almost exactly related), nothing seems to fix them. Nofap, working out, eating loads of meat and no sugar, nothing. I've accepted that at some point in the future when I have the funds for It i'll have to get gyno removal surgery, how much damage could finasteride possibly do to me?

Please someone talk me out of taking HRT for this shit

>>18455544
get some money and buy a hair transplant instead

>>18455546
It will take over a year or two for me to gather those funds and make it to Turkey. If the tranny meds can even give me a little regrowth before then; it is really really fucking tempting.

If this shit gives me man tits I will legit blow my head smoove off.

>>18455547
you don't have a credit card? is your credit score 500 or something? if you live in the US credit is dirt cheap, you can finance the 8-10k or however much you need for the transplant at a flat 5% fee from any bank if you get a cash advance

>>18455553
I am poor and do not want to go into debt like that.

>>18455558
>take permanent life altering hormones that will fuck your body and brain up
>or take a small amount of personal debt
seriously impressive retardation

>>18455562
>small amount
>8-10k
Maybe if you have a good job. Fuck.

>>18455566
8-10k paid back at 0% interest over a year is indeed a small amount, yes. Compared to losing your hair or fucking up your body permanently. Even if you work some shit job in a warehouse making $15 an hour you should be fine paying it back if you take a few overtime hours each week.

>>18455551
orrr topical

>>18455446
have been on dht suppression for nearly 3 years, my facial and body hair are still the same

>>18455539
It won't make it worse. There isn't any kind of link between existing gyno and it being made worse.

>>18454854 (OP)
Look at this guy >>18455688

>>18455694
how many people are faking their hair?

>>18455446
>grow full beard by 18 like a normal male
>get on fin after
>keep the beard and the hair

>shaved my beard today
>look like absolute shit
why did I do it... I should have left the zoomerstache but no, I had to go all in...

>>18455539
>Nofap, working out, eating loads of meat and no sugar, nothing
Why would any of that fix gyno lmao

Its almost like you get PTSD after fighting balding and getting on fin. I can't help but hyperfixate on every males head in public and get a look at their balding and wonder if they are treating it or even aware of such an option. I don't even care about looking at women anymore, just bald spots.

>>18456038
kek

dont jump the gun, just wait for gt20029 and pp405

>>18455703
A LOT of Hollywood actors and actresses are

>>18455936
the beard might not even fill in until well into their 20s, thankfully minoxidil increases facial hair growth

>>18456038
I kinda had this when I started noticing the signs of balding but it gets boring too, especially when nobody is receptive to your attempts at finpilling them.

>>18455943
all of those are supposed to raise your test

>>18455067
Other way around for me. I'm also usually sleeping on the thinnest side so maybe the friction with my pillow weakens my follicles.
>>18455314
Is your pill cutter designed to somehow keep the pills in place? I have a plastic wedge thing I can slide my pill into. The cuts aren't equal but are close enough. I think anything above 0.6mg gives mostly the same level of protection so you can have smaller or bigger chunks without compromising efficacy too much.
>>18455328
I'm doing finasteride for 18 months. I only regret not starting earlier when my balding was still pretty much only visible to me. I've had zero side effects. I just take the pill in the morning and forget about it the rest of the day.
>>18455446
>cognition stable
I work in a high cognitive position and don't feel like my output has suffered.
>beard growth
I haven't noticed any changes in beard growth.
>>18456038
I saw someone with thinning hair a couple weeks ago and needed to fight the urge not to finpill them

>>18456247
Gyno doesn't go away with test, are you aware that testosterone is not a magical thing that can cure all illness right?

>>18456263
you got any better ideas?

I’ve been on fin for 2 days now. It would be a lot cooler if these pills got you a little high.

>>18456335
welcome to day 2 of a permanent tribulation in your new (slightly more hellish) life

pic related is me but im 38. i have accepted it now. i had a great 38 years with hair and tahnkfully its going really slow. so mehh ill be 48 by the time im bald and by then i will embrace sleazy core.


these drugs most people quit em after a few years anyways

>>18456038
im the same way anon, one time at a bar i asked a dude if he was on fin. and he said yes. he said that no one has ever asked him that. he wanted to know how i knew. and i told him becuase it looked unnatrurally good for his age and for the amount of wrinkles he had on his face .

like brad pitt.

i think its cringe to have this much hair when your face looks like shit. and i think finasteride reallt loswers collagen production in men increasing wrinkles like women.

>>18456348
why not just get a transplant?

>>18456350
hmm never really thought about it anon, i guess i can, i was never that much insecure about it. like i said im old now, im not 23 trying to find myself. get laid with women worrying about bieng bald like all you young guys. if i was young like 23 i def would to try a transplant and sleep with more women.

but i would not take pills. i once took a quater if a finasteride pill and it completely took away my body odor for weeks. it took almost a year to get my natural piney scent back. i know if i took pills i would freak out over any little side effect it gives me...

so yea a hair transplant i like that idea MAYYYYBE. and it would be small. i want to have a mature hairline dont want a fake unnatural hairline i see

or you know what i might do that PRP

>>18456351
>everything is about women
why are xillennials like this

why does it take so long for fin/dut to show their effect anyways?
does it take long to kill off dht on the scalp? or does it have something to do with the follicle life cycle? like the follicle is still too small?

do they make topical fin only, or is it only in fin+min combos?

i don't want min in my house because i have a 14 year old cat and i don't want him to get into it. i've had him since i was 22 and he's my only friend.

>>18456355
They do in the US it's $100/month. Better to make your own. Get your hands on some black market 5mg pills and make a little tincture from them

>>18456352
or men. whatever foats your boat bro. but we all know the world revolves around women, being attractive, having sex, etc etc. . thats literally why we are all on /fa/ right now. developing our style. finding inspiration. "looksmaxxing" we care about how we look. for ourselves and the world. and best part is. that it wont stop. even hitler liked to fcuk many hookers.

What kind of style/presented identity can bald guys actually pull off? I feel like it's only the strong masculine/criminal type, lucky for me I'm tall, put on muscle relatively easy and have a super deep voice but it feels quite restricting when I'm a gentle giant

I'm prematurely bald at this point in my mid 20s, currently just buzzcut down till it's like a shadow instead of full shave since that seems like it would get infected too often yet covers skin imperfections

>>18456368
you could do the basedboy look. thats about it besides gym guy

>>18456338
I don’t know, I think the hellishness has remained steady. Only way hellishness increases is if I grow tits.

>>18456354
The DHT blocking effect is in full force after a few weeks but the hair cycle is glacially slow, hairs usually last years on your head in their resting phase, if you experience a shed within the first 3 months, that's a good sign you're responding to it.

>>18456368
if you're not capable of pulling off the faux tough guy thing you could just rest on your coomer laurels and just freakmaxx. don't even try to fit in just be a fucking freak.

why does balding start suddenly in some cases, especially diffused thinning cases?
like one day you're seeing just 10 or 15 hairs coming off when styling your hair, then BAM! it's like they all decided to go on vacation
i thought this was a slow process

>>18456791
Stress-induced balding. For many it happens in their 30s because that’s a point in life that is generally stressful. I have telogen effluvium. Even though it is technically reversible, stress and maybe a depression of sorts is hell to live through and the journey is difficult to overcome. Sometimes you don’t even know what’s stressing you out but something sure is.

You mean to tell me that this... thing... is only 23 years of age?

>Seeing more and more people post shit like "DON'T EVER TAKE FINASTERIDE IT'S POISON JUST GET A TRANSPLANT INSTEAD"

Do these people just not understand that 95% of Roach doctors would tell you before and after you need to be on Fin anyway to keep your shit?

>>18456915
There's zero overlap between pfs tards and transplant tourists.

>>18456915
if you look into giga sessions you dont really need finasteride at that point. theyre expensive as shit though. i hope they become more widespread as time moves on.

>>18456944
What happens when your balding progresses? You get left with thin transplanted hair on your scalp which looks like shit. Unless you literally transplant the entire donor area you are fucked in time, and even then there is not enough hair to make it fool proof. Oh and then your donor area is bald lol

>>18454914
I have about the same looking hairline, 26, just filled out my online consultation for finasteride a few minutes ago, wish me luck.

>>18455237
congrats Anon looks great

I'm 35 and took the buzzpill ages ago.

But even still, I'm not completely bald on top. Just too thin not to buzz.
The sides are much thicker, so it's a balancing act of buzzing every 1-2 days with different clippers to make sure it all looks uniform.

I'd probably feel differently if I had legit zero hair on top and I had a fleshy dome, but I've honestly really come to enjoy shaving my head. Sure, I can't pull 20 year old chicks any more, but it goes over just fine with a milfier demographic.

>finasteride side effects include depression, brain fog, suicidal ideation, etc.
Jokes on you. I already experience all of those things. Can’t get em twice. This is how we win.

Minoxidil is toxic to dogs and cats.
Even a small amount will kill them
Do not let them lick your fingers or hair

>>18457100
you can just get a new cat
you can't restore hair follicles once they're fully gone

Dunno if this is already covered in a thread-related wiki or sticky somewhere, but do NOT take creatine if you're taking finasteride for your hair. I was taking both at the same time, basically your hair resumes receding but at a slower rate if you're on creatine. So if you need creatine for muscle growth, either don't take creatine and keep your hair or trade your hair for bulking.

>>18456915
it's unironic transplant shills
already called it out months ago
they want guys to either make their hair worse by not quickly getting on fin/dut and then go get expensive transplant, only to hop on fin/duta anyways
literally every single transplant surgeon will recommend getting on dht blockers because there's no use of doing it if it's still gonna fall off anyways

>>18457002
>Just date single moms, bro.

Does applying finasteride to your scalp even work?

>>18457243
obviously it will
i think microneedling before applying would be even better since i hear minoxidil has difficulty penetrating the scalp

thinking about adding hair oil to my hair care routine
mixture of: coconut + castor + olive + rosemary lavender + argan
then wash it off with keto shampoo
once per week only
should i do it?
i am already on 2.5 mg dut and 2.5 mg min, but i would like to tend to my hair some more

>>18457243
It does. I prefer the foam. I've been doing it for years and my hair is thick enough again that fingers get stuck in it.

>>18457243
Yes. Don't get one of those spray things though, get a one with a dropper thats much easier to apply.

i have been on fin for 1.5 years and when i do a pull test like 10 hairs come out in a clump, it wasn't that bad a few months ago.
is this a shed or is it getting worse? a shed this late seems unlikely but this rapid loss is uncharacteristic as i've been slowly diffuse thinning for nearly 6 years now.

>>18457467
have you been fapping a lot lately?

>>18457243
Did absolutely nothing for me, but then...neither did finasteride pills.

>>18457469
no more than i usually do

>>18457476
are you absolutely sure?
no weird sex demon possessing you to goon daily?
answer truthfully

Would Fin/dut/Min mix work better with a hair transplant or whatever the fuck that is from turkey ? Why dont you guys just send like 3k on a good hair transplant and then continue with min or fin or whatever the fuck ? Why only go for the pills ?

I can't stop rubbing my head after shaving it

>>18457512
For 3k the results will be mixed. Just sounds like a lot of work when you could just regrow enough and be happy with it.

>>18457512
i already have pretty good regrowth, can't see my scalp anymore so I'm sorta happy
just missing the volume i used to have up top, and this is pretty much only from min (by now 3-4 months of use?) with me starting dut only a month ago so I'm hoping I get even more back

>>18457134
Yeah, single moms whose kids are off at College.
Shit's cash, brah.

Realistically, how fixable is this with finasteride alone? Let's say if it came in two years, suddenly.

>>18457886
Very. Minoxidil also works best on the crown, so you should be doing both and you'll have a full head of hair again within a year or so.

>>18457889
Problem is I want something long term and I don't see myself applying minoxidil every day for the rest of my life. And I'm afraid of the effects on blood pressure with the oral stuff for the rest of my life. "Very" with only finasteride too?

>>18457900
It takes less than a minute and you only need to apply it once a day. Get a minox/fin foam mix if you're really this lazy.

>>18457900
Just take 1 drop and work your way up, you're not gonna have sides.

>>18457903
I'm taking oral finasteride. Is topical better? I am currently taking finasteride, that's why I'm wondering the prospects on it alone. I'll consider minoxidil as well

>>18457935
1 drop of the foam?

>>18457900
It's possible with finasteride alone but it might take years to see the same level of improvement with minoxidil in 3 months

>>18457955
>It's possible with finasteride alone
So not "very"?

I'm also hoping to recover some of my hairline because it's also barely hanging on and I cover it with hair

>>18457959
66% of patients experienced regrowth after 2 years on fin as per this study.

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9951956/

That's what you can expect you could also be in the 34% that don't.

>>18457961
>compared with 7% of placebo recipients at each time point.
Wtf

>>18457954
one drop of the topical liquid
Does nobody read the OP?

>>18457903
How do I even get this shit? I'm >>18454914
I still haven't made up my mind on what to do, I can't find the topical finasteride + minoxidil combo anywhere that isn't super expensive as fuck since it requires a prescription. Every website is ~$35-40 a month for it.

Meanwhile topical minoxidil from costco and prescription oral finasteride is combined to ~$20, half the price. I'm also very skeptical of whether topical fin is as effective as oral fin.

>>18458040
Oral fin is superior. You only take topical if you are afraid of side effects

>>18458040
Let me help you dude. I saved my hair more than 12 years ago and it's thicker than ever and still getting regrowth on the hairline.

5mg oral minoxidil: 4+ drops in the morning and put some on your hairline and crown
fin or dut plus saw palmetto: just rape that dht. your skin gets better on it too.
biotin and zinc: there is a difference not being on these, your hair just more volumous

get on asap. do not ever stop. if you're already really visibly bald still do it while u buzz with clippers. you'll see regrowth and eventually can get a head of hair back

do not get fucking psyopd. do not research or read anymore. take my advice and just do it and never read into this shit again. until a major breakthrough happens (unlikely) uve got nothing u need to do except that stack. and if a breakthrough does happen it will be all over normie mainstream media so you wont miss out dont worry.

now take that shit and go live your life. get out of this place. these baldness generals and subreddits are brain cancer

>>18458043
>5mg oral minoxidil
I can't find this shit anywhere, costco sells a 5% topical minoxidil foam 6 month pack for like $45. Is there a major difference between oral minox and topical?

>fin or dut plus saw palmetto
yeah I'm going to get a 1mg/day fin prescription from walgreens or something

>biotin and zinc
thanks, i'll get some pills. one year supply is cheap as fuck.

>>18458046
The liquid min is only found on Costco's website because they make more money selling the overpriced foam version in store.

>>18458046
it sounds like a meme but ingesting liquid minoxidil orally is perfectly safe. its got propylene glycol and ethanol in it, but since you only need a few drops / 0.1ml to reach 5mg on a 5% solution, it wont be enough to irritate your stomach at all. just dont be a retard, measure correctly.

>>18458046
if you really wanna cheap out on fin, get the a prescription for 5mg pills and split them yourself. its practically free of charge at that point.

I am currently using tropical Minoxidil (5% w/v) + Finasteride (0.1% w/v) as prescribed by my dermat. is this good in preventing hair loss compared to taking 1mg fin orally everyday?

cuz ive been taking since past 2 months ( although ive been lazy and have had weeks where i skip for a day or two, or just apply once a day ) and i feel like im not really seeing the effects i wanna see. Although the balding has stopped, the hairs near my temples haven't seen any improvements. Any clarification on this will be helpful bros

>>18458231
Topical fin only for around 9 months now here, NW2.5 frauding as a NW2. My shedding has stopped almost completely. No regrowth though.

I hope I am one of those late gainers.

>>18458258
Addendum: people see most gains after 12+ months. Trust the process.

>>18457243
Can EU get this?

>>18458270
you can make it yourself. just crush and dissolve fin pills into your minoxidil lmao.

>>18458270
minoxidilexpress

>>18458086
both PG and ethanol are fully food safe, I think it's not even ethanol denat.

Is Finasteride known to cause libido increase? Because by God, I've been on it for 6 days now and yesterday night I nutted 5 times (4 as I lay in bed from 10PM to 02AM, and another time when I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't sleep. I had trouble getting blood to my head by the end and my penis was sore as fuck. I've been like this a few times in the past but yesterday night was something else. 5 times in 5 hours and I wasn't gooning really, I just got curious and became diamonds hour after hour after hour. The only thing I've done is to start taking finasteride in late May

>>18458479
maybe your body is making extra testosterone because it senses your dht depleting

>>18458479
its no coincidence, you literally have more testosterone because 5ar isnt turning it into dht. but most people say the extra horniness wanes off in a month or two.

>>18458491
Doesn't fin blocking DHT conversion mean more testosterone by definition?

>>18458479
That happened to me for the first couple months. Never had any other sides so probably a good sign that your estrogen levels are fine like me

>>18458359
There is a lot of filler in those pills especially the 1mg ones. You will end up with a nasty paste that dries like chalk on your scalp if you do this. You need the 5mg pills and a coffee filter to filter out the binders and fillers. It's messy and the dosages will be hard to keep consistent. Better off just taking it orally like everyone else unless you have an actual reason besides being scared

>>18458479
yeah, I posted about that recently but it seems to have returned to normal as of lately, I've been taking it for around 40 days

>>18458515
>>18458536
>>18458491
Awesome. So it's known and will wear off? I like how horny I have become. I lust for women constantly and stare at asses on the street. Something I've never done before. And that's despite busting 5 nuts the night before.

I want to fuck like a rabbit and I've been a coomer all my life. Never like this. From 1mg fin daily? I really hope it doesn't wear off

>>18458556
Yes it's known. You can get a 10-30% increase in circulating test sometimes everybody reacts differently. I don't think it goes away rather you just get used to it. Even at a 30% increase it's still well within the safe and healthy hormonal level range and isn't a cause for concern

>>18458572
I've never lusted for girls irl as much as I am right now. Maybe I had low test before, but I don't think so. I've always been a coomer, it just never translated to the real life like it has now

>>18457286
>>18457286
>>18457286

is... is it happening?
>>18458676
get help

Is norwood 2 at 27 good or bad?

>>18456970
you clearly aren't familiar with giga sessions
finasteride would not be necessary here

>>18458690
when did you start noticing you were at a norwood 1 and it is any thinner on top or only the front? it might not be a big deal if youre that old and its been going a long time. i'm 34 with like a norwood 1.5 which started around maybe 2014 when i was 23, usually when it takes that long you dont really have to freak out. im not on meds and probably never will be because i just dont see it progressing much or at all beyond this point.

>>18454854 (OP)
Is it worth it to do just fin for a year before trying min, so that I can see the difference each one makes? I've been fin-only for a month, and I'm worried that I might be cucking myself out of min-gains. Also doesn't want to end up using min for the rest of my fucking life if I don't need it.

>>18458858
fin regrowth is a meme, people have experienced tiny amounts of regrowth if at all but never remotely enough to be meaningful at all. fin is for keeping remaining hair, min is for regrowth, and both are to be used forever.

>>18458861
Isn't this a meme and the majority of fin users see increased haircount?

>>18458877
opposite, most fin-only users do not see any type of regrowth and again even if you can find a few sprouts on your noggin its not enough to mean much. minoxidil is the way. i dont know why you'd be so wary of it anyway, min isn't the one fucking with your dick

>>18458843
This is like years after and he's on meds

>>18458858
It depends if you are willing to commit to min for life as well. Something like 50% of people are non/bad responders to topical minoxidil. If you are considering topical then yes probably best to wait and only add it if you have areas that require additional regrowth that fin didnt fix. Oral min is far superior in terms of response so if oral is what you would take then it would be fine to start now. Dont listen to anti fin shills most people get regrowth and in many cases go way above baseline. There is no harm in delaying minoxidil your hair won't be getting any worse on fin

Sup niggas, saw this new twitter product loxstar from the methylene blue mma guy vance, though you guys wanna try to waste a bit of money to try this. Apparently money back guarantee too.

>Everything i've read online says fin will make your dick stop working and might make you grow tits
>anons itt are saying fin will make you super horny and raise your test
?????

>>18458937
Website explicitly says this patient is not using finasteride. he is using topical minoxidil, probably to improve the chances of the new hair holding rather than falling out, but no finasteride necessary. and why would it be? obviously all of his dht-resistant hair has fallen out, every hair in the After photo is dht-resistant so theres no need to inhibit dht, dummy. thats what a giga session is. a handful of doctors in the world have built their own proprietary technologies to extract absolutely stupid amounts of healthy donor hair and put it on top of the head without making the donor area look bald. they're expensive as shit but it's the only finasteride-free "cure" for baldness right now. this particular doctor is very well known.

>>18458962
A complete norwood 5 leaves about 1.5 inches of hair on the back towards the neck. He is on minoxidil and concealers as this is marketing and you are falling for it, dummy.

>>18458968
>concealers
wrong.
>minoxidil
i literally stated he's using topical minoxidil which helps to stimulate the newly implanted hair, dummy. no finasteride necessary ever. the only reason people with standard transplants have to continue taking fin is so they dont lose their remaining hair which is weak to dht. if youve already lost your entire scalp, and you get it replaced entirely with dht-resistant hair, you dont need fin. i dont know how this is hard for you to understand.

>>18458955
reduced metabolism of T to DHT > more free T > more aromatization into E > gyno and related sides in susceptible people
I'm one of the ones who got increased libido for a bit

>>18458845
I became norwood 2 at 18/19 and I have zero thinning. My hair is very thick.

>>18458955
EMEA, NHS, FDA all agree that results outweigh the risks. It's 1% to 5% to get sides. The more serious sides I.E. ED & gyno happen rarer. If you do get them, they subside once you cease taking the drug. There's no real proof of permanent ED just anecdotes and petitions.

Fin can raise testosterone by a bit since t's not being converted to DHT. The higher horniness is probably placebo tbhfamalam.

>>18458955
Side effects are blown out of proportion and usually in bad faith
I’ve been on it for 7 months and haven’t noticed any mood swings or ED.

>>18459063
I'm in a similar boat, NW2 at 26 without thinning, receded around 19-20 but my hair was always thin/fine

>>18458974
You are not understanding so I will provide some visual stimuli. you expect me or anybody else with a moderate understanding of hairloss to believe that an entire scalp was transplanted with DHT resistant hairs (picrel). Is his donor area now bald? A full scalp transplant with that density is like 40k-60k grafts you absolute mongoloid, this isn't how this shit works i can assure you.

Bought this shit at costco, I'm planning on getting a finasteride prescription next week during my checkup.
If it works and my hairline grows back am I going to need to keep using this shit forever even if I'm taking fin?

>>18459191
As long as you want to keep your results for you will need to continue using it. You can stop and your hair will just return to pre-minoxidil state as long as you are taking fin, without fin you will be a lot worse off if you stop. Some people think it may be possible for hairs made terminal through minoxidil to maybe stick around after discontinuing it if you are on fin. There are no studies done that explore this so the best answer you can get is most likely no, but maybe.

has anyone here recovered from diffuse thinning on dut? how long did it take, what dosage? what else did you get on besides min?

control your expectations, at best it will probably halt the decline or grow it back by a few %, also you're going to have an initial shed cycle where it will appear to get rapidly worse before reverting to how it was, this shit isn't magic it's just better than nothing for some people

>>18459222
I recovered, but it's mostly the min that did it i think
I've only been on dut for about a month or so

>>18459222
https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/1ixeq43/dutasteride_results_people_with_good_results/

>>18459225
do you get more sheds after the initial one?
i was on 1 mg fin and experienced a shed after 2.5 years
then i switched to 0.5 mg dut for 2 months and finally to 2.5 mg dut

New dutasteride hit piece just dropped
>we don't know why man committed suicide after exhibiting extreme body dysmorphia, let's just blame the hair drugs again

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14787659/Suicide-tragedy-PE-teacher-unlicensed-hair-loss-drug.html

>>18459085
>Side effects are blown out of proportion and usually in bad faith
This. There's a lot of crab-mentality among men when it comes to hair loss. Think about all the guys who didn't make it because they fell for the "embrace it" and "just shave it" memes.

>>18459191
How bad is your hair? If it's painful to look in the mirror, just start both to maximize results. After a few years, you can try doing a min-free year to see what happens. If your hair is just receding, you could start with just fin (which should stop any further hair-loss), and after seeing what fin does, you can decide if adding min is worth it. Assume that any gains made on fin or min will only be kept by continuing to take fin or min.

>>18459064
wrong, the fda and some countries give warnings that symptoms may persist a long time even after cessation

>>18459176
Zarev, another well known giga doctor, did it with 12k and it looks good enough to anyone passing by. no body hair used. this guy is highly sought after and has shown his transplant process live to other docs in the community. you think you know what you're talking about, but you don't.

>>18459289
Yes, but without any proof. There are no formal high-quality studies on this. And they say as much
>In a response this week, the FDA said the group's petition "does not provide reasonable evidence" of a causal link between Propecia and persistent sexual problems, depression or suicide. However, based on patient reports, the FDA said it is "requiring the addition of suicidal ideation and behavior" to the adverse reactions listed on Propecia's label.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/fda-requires-disclosure-suicide-risk-anti-baldness-drug-2022-06-10/
that label was only added because of petitions and crying from people like PFS foundation not backing by any science or anything reasonable.

>>18459294
>Rx: Topical and Oral Minoxidil, clobetazol and ketoconazol Shampoo, biotin

lol

>>18459475
8 months oral min, no transplant norwood 5

>>18459477
Norwood 5, oral min no translant

How do you keep the hair greed brainworms away?

>>18459500
>hair greed brainworms
the what

>>18459556
the extremely masculine urge to get on anti-androgens to save your hair

>>18459585
have you considered the fact that you might have body dysmorphia?

>>18459475
none of those are finasteride you dumb fucking faggot

>>18459585
certified retarded

i grew these vellus hairs after 2 months and got excited, but since theres been fuckall progress for 6 months. oh well at least my balding isnt getting worse i guess and i can always get a transplant. i blame r/tressless redditors for getting my hopes up too high.

>>18459737
oh and im using min spray twice a day and taking 1mg fin orally.

>>18459737
>>18459762
well at least it's not getting worse!

>>18459737
how long has it been like that?
1 mg fin is way too low, but since you say your balding isn't worsening, i think that's enough dht resistance for now
what's the min dosage? what concentration is it?
you can try microneedling that area since it helps minoxidil to penetrate the skin
it looks like that area has been bald for years, meaning most of it is probably scar tissue now

>>18459780
1mg fin is the basic dosage and upping it past that doesn't do shit, where do you people come up with this stuff. even going from 0.5mg to 1mg only helps by around 3%.
if you want more dht suppression you need to move to dutasteride.

>>18459737
that's like 2-3k to fix at some turk roach doctor. you're lucky your anterior temple hasn't receded. all you need is the hair on scalp a few inchs lower.

Do not, i repeat, do not be a min/fin redditor, get a hair transplant while you still have donor hair. I got mine and, i could not be happier about my decision.

>>18459792
thanks for the positive spin. ill count my blessings and pile up my shekels for that pilgrimage.

>>18459798
stop spreading this retarded idea that a transplant is somehow an alternative to finasteride. some people are dumb enough to take it at face value. it isnt "either or", you need to keep taking finasteride after the transplant unless you want to look like a freak. a transplant doesnt magically mean the rest of your scalp is immune to balding. why do we have to explain this basic shit every single fucking thread.

>>18459806
@grok is this true

>>18459811
Yes, Anon is correct (despite the aggressive tone): a hair transplant is not a true alternative to finasteride or other medical treatments like minoxidil.

Here's why: Hair transplants only move existing hair (usually from the back/sides of the head, which are more resistant to DHT) into balding areas. They do not stop the progression of male pattern baldness (androgenetic alopecia). The rest of your native hair is still vulnerable to DHT unless treated. If you get a transplant without using finasteride (or something to slow balding), you may continue losing your native hair, leading to unnatural "patchy" results over time—transplanted hair surrounded by empty scalp. So the ideal approach is: Finasteride (or dutasteride): to stabilize hair loss. Minoxidil (optional): to boost growth or density. Transplant: for restoring areas where hair is already lost beyond recovery.

If someone can't tolerate finasteride, they need to be very careful with transplants and manage expectations, maybe using alternatives like topical fin/dut or microneedling.

In short: A transplant is cosmetic. Finasteride is preventative. They're not interchangeable.

>>18459806
you're replying to a transplant shill
what these shills won't tell is how the transplant surgeon prescribes the clients on min/fin/duta anyway, so people are just delaying dht suppression and letting their scalp bald further until the transplant

>>18459816
Thank for your answer.
Speaking of preservation, why is PRP and vitamins never mentioned ever in these treads?

>>18459817
As i mentioned, i have got a hair transplant.
I was prescribed some clinical shampoo, vitamins and monthly PRP injections for 6-8 months, thats it, they never mentioned min/fin

>>18459818
1. vitamins only matter if you are deficient.
2. prp is usually prohibitively expensive and there are only a few studies anout it as a treatment for hair loss. in any case it just seems to be yet another "might help, wont hurt" treatment to throw on top of shit like laser therapy and keto shampoo. fin and min are proven to be much more effective and a lot cheaper so they're the first in line.

>>18458043
/thread
sticky this shit way better than OP

>>18459886
obvious samefag

>>18459657
Finasteride is what would maintain those results. The point is that you cannot transplant an entire scalp worth of hair and be done with it. It looks good now because these people are on oral and topical min, which is considered extreme. There are 50k follicles on the top of your head and a giga session is like 8-10k maybe. Look at their donor areas after ONE session, it's fucked and you think they are doing 3 more of them lol? The side effect profile for that much minoxidil is 100x more deadly and REAL than just taking finasteride at an earlier stage of balding. You are jumping through so many fucking hoops just to avoid taking finasteride for some (probably) insane reason. This shit is not a viable alternative, it's stupid and retarded.

>>18457962
>placebo hair regrowth
HAIR REGROWN WITH POWER OF POSITIVE THOUGHTS
MANIFEST HAIR ONTO YOUR HEAD

>>18459935
Who knows maybe their hair was even thinner due to the added stress of balding and the mere thought of it being under control now relieved a lot of that

>>18459820
>they never mentioned something that could prevent me from coming back for another surgery

>Wake up
>Spray minoxidil on my head
>Then, as I'm drinking coffee:
>Take 1 pill biotin
>1 pill finasteride
>2 capsules creatine
>2 capsules vitamin D

Post more before and after pics

>>18459886
Agreed. I haven't come back since reading it. Just checked in now to laugh at more clueless losers like: >>18459905

>>18456567
this same dude?
whatother movies he in?

>>18454854 (OP)
Why is oral topical minoxidil so rarely discussed?
Anyone with any results or has been using it for a long period of time here?

I'm genuinely curious if this actually works and how many times you should be changing the bottle once opened

I think I can keep a 50mg bottle for a whole year and not empty it going like this

>>18460580
It's because finasteride/dut is more important and most newcomers to these threads need to be informed on how important a DHT blocker for long term hair maintenance is. Everything else should be supplementary to fin/dut and considered once the root of the problem gets covered.

For your bottle problem just empty out an amount into another bottle that you will be able to use, that way your main bottle is only opened once every couple months or so.

>>18459919
>Finasteride is what would maintain those results.
wrong again, retard. the transplanted hair is DHT RESISTANT so you do NOT need to take a pill that blocks dht.

>>18460737
why are you so against blocking dht?

I'm 22 and I've been balding since 17. All my fucking friends call me Heihachi. Obviously, I'm never gonna get laid. You boomers were lucky af but zoomer girls might be the cruellest of them all. If you're not perfect, they will look at you with contempt and disgust. It's literally over for me.

>>18460747
get on fin and min and stop wallowing in self pity

>>18456813
guy had excess dht even in the womb

>>18460747
girls still act politely towards me even though i'm 30 and the diffuse thinning equivalent of norwood 5

>>18460737
Of course it is but the transplanted hair accounts for maybe 20% of the density you see. The rest of the hair is being stimulated by the minoxidil which will not last forever without stopping DHT from finishing off those hairs. Just because you couldn't see them prior to the oral minoxidil doesn't mean they weren't there, they were just heavily miniaturized/vellus. You continue to argue that these people have entire scalp transplants when I exposed them for high dosages of topical and oral minoxidil a week ago. Give up.

>>18460737
>>18460775
Does this make sense to you yet or are you still confused?

>>18460775
i get what youre saying but do you really think minoxidil is having any meaningful impact on natural follicles on THAT scalp? this guy is old as fuck and bald as fuck, probably 90+% of his follicles are completely dead. i think its safer to assume the purpose of the min is to stimulate growth of the new hair, not regrowth of the old hair.

I have been Norwood 7 since 17 in highschool

>>18460746
because it gives you titties and fucks with your dick and if it isn't doing one or both of those things to an individual then it is certainly giving you a depression and brain fog from hell that makes people want to kill themselves. you don't get to be free from all three, at least one of these things happens.

>>18460591
>For your bottle problem just empty out an amount into another bottle that you will be able to use, that way your main bottle is only opened once every couple months or so.
NTA but this is what I do, it was probably you who advised me about it a few months ago.

I'm not sure but I have a feeling that the liquid in the small bottle becomes less potent quickly with this method. Maybe because more of it comes in contact with new air daily? I've noticed less amount of overgrowth in the eyebrow-temple area after starting to do it this way. The liquid itself also loses a lot of its sharp taste quickly...

Thoughts? Do you also practice this method?

>>18460796
Yes

>>18459477
>>18459481

>>18460747
what norwood are you currently? i started around 17 and i'm still around norwood 3 in my mid 20s

>>18460824
Yes I've been doing it for years I just use an empty kirkland minoxidil bottle with the safety seal cap as my daily user. Perhaps the minoxidil has settled closer to the bottom of the dormant bottle if it has been sitting for months and when you poured some into the other bottle you didn't get an event distribution. Try lightly shaking it before your next refill and see if that helps. If you really want to test it you can apply a singular drop of bleach onto some of the questionable minoxidil in the sink and see if it turns orange/yellow, that will indicate the minoxidil is still active.

>>18460824
I've been throwing out bottles after 6 months of use, they're half full usually.
Thankfully a 6 bottle minoxidil box is like $20.

>>18460898
Keep some of them around in case your neighbour's dog ever gets annoying

>>18456247
too much test gives you gyno too retard
its a hormone imbalance, its why bitch tits became a joke in fight club

>>18454995
does minoxidil actually cause facial aging?
have their been studies on this?

>>18460906
Yea and it was disproved. There are studies showing that it causes grey hair tho.

>>18460911
>There are studies showing that it causes grey hair tho.
fuk

wat do

>>18455539
it could do alot of damage do topical only and tread carefully

>>18460823
Sounds like your estrogen levels are way out of whack. None of these things are due to reduced DHT.

>>18460779
zarev is actually insane, how the fuck does he do this shit

>>18458043
Thanks a lot for writing this. It is really what I needed to hear. Great advice.

>>18460991
>None of these things are due to reduced DHT.
on the contrary, every one of those things is due to reduced DHT. when you annihilate DHT, youre left with more testosterone which becomes aromatized into more estrogen than normal, causing all of these things.

>>18460991
Nta but reducing DHT doesn't just end there. Testosterone unbound and not converting to DGT becomes Free test which runs in your blood stream, which increases your test levels for sure, but also gets turned into estrogen by aromatase.
At a certain point, all that extra test becomes estrogen when it gets too much, and this process is amplified if you are fat.
Blocking DHT is not a simple thing to do.

>>18460919
min

>>18461151
>>18461168
...and we circle bsck tonwhat anon originally said. the small rise in E is inconsequential if your estrogen levels were not elevated to begin with. just dont be a fat baseded up faggot and fin wont hurt you.

>>18461151
>>18461168
Lol nice one brainiacs sure made me look dumb

>trying to get finasteride prescribed
>check amazon
>8x the cost WITH insurance
WTF

>>18461354
what country is this?
also i hate amazon's supplier of fin, they're the chalky pressed hexagon pills instead of the coated brown ones cost plus gives.

>>18460823
In my case I started taking dutasteride last week and I haven't really experienced any of those issues. What I've noticed though is that my heart rate kinda has a mind of its own now cause today I've been having palpitations like crazy even though I haven't really done that much physical exercise. Has anyone else experienced this before? 'Cause it might be early signs of arrhythmia, apparently. It really sucks if I do end up having a heart attack thanks to it. I just wanna keep my fucking hairline dude but apparently I might be at risk of literally dying by doing so. Jesus Christ.

>>18461775
Not possible from dutasteride. Are you using minoxidil? Topical and not washing your hands/touching your hair and then mouth?

>>18461775
heart issues from 5ar blockers should be impossible.

>>18461311
eh not necessarily you can still get estrogenic sides without being fat

>>18461881
maybe if you are a born and bred femboy

>>18461893
yeah it's genetics but it doesn't mean you have low test or less masculine people have different function and sensitivity of aromatase

I've been on min for I think ~2 years and almost 1y of fin, results are pretty good so far but not nearly enough, the latter made the most difference and I hope it keeps going strong. Been shedding hard lately but it may be related to stress or because I've been fasting very hard, summer is a terrible time to shed as sweat/humidity and wind are a death sentence. It's been a long time since I last had my ear to the ground about current hairloss trends, is there anything of note out or in research stage?

>>18461927
pp405 is the only remotely exciting treatment thats currently in the pipeline. helps regrow a good bunch of hair plus its not hormonal which is nice if fin gives you sides. phase 2 trials are ongoing right now iirc. may be out in a year or two if everything goes perfectly.
but id keep my hopes down because if youve ever followed drug trials for balding then a promising treatment project being discontinued is nothing new.

>>18461836
>Are you using minoxidil? Topical and not washing your hands/touching your hair and then mouth?
No, I'm not using minoxidil at all. Dutasteride is the only drug I've been taking for the past week (0,5 mg dose). At first I didn't feel any side effects but yesterday I felt like my heart rate was going crazy for no reason and I was definitely not experiencing this prior to taking the drug. Apparently having a hormonal imbalance can cause this shit as it could imply that my body is too sensitive to this stuff which really sucks.

>>18461856
They should be but apparently they're very much possible depending on whether or not your body can handle the sudden shift in hormones which is a real pain in the ass cause DHT is pretty much useless but if I don't have it then my heart starts going crazy which is even worse. Do any of you guys have any experience making a topical solution? I don't wanna throw away my pills cause they're expensive but at the same time I feel like if I keep taking them, I might just die.

tfw my hair is much thinner after one month of fin and I don’t know if I am balding harder or it’s good sign of initial shedding
This shit is really depressing

>>18462055
You are not having heart problems from dutasteride lol. Stop reading shit online

>>18462068
very normal to shed means you are responding to treatment and happens to almost everyone

>>18462070
>very normal to shed means you are responding to treatment and happens to almost everyone
The problem is I am not seeing hair fall but the overall hair is much thinner, brittle and weaker
I hope it’s sign of response tho, thanks anon

>>18462071
It has to fall out to appear thinner. Its just an initial shed

Officially a min and fin tranny.

Should I rewrite the OP to include information on dut?

>>18462141
yeah sure, its pretty much strictly superior, although fin is safer to try first since if you do get sides dut stays with you a long ass time.

Where can I get cheaper dut prescriptions?
Dr. B is $15 but they only dispense 90 days at a time.
I don't mind paying more if it means I get a whole year of refills.

>>18454854 (OP)
I'll be starting Finasteride soon. I'm 23 and my hairline is recessing pretty noticeably, but my hair is still rather thick and receives compliments from time to time. Can I expect some decent recovery due to the stage I'm starting fin at?

>>18462374
Maybe. There are factors like how many of your follicles are dead/too damaged, genetics, luck. Only way to figure that out is to treat it as soon as possible the longer you wait the less likely.

Does fin permanently reduce sex drive or does it balance out and return to normal?

>>18462433
fin increases sex drive and then it balances out and returns to normal

>>18461775
You can't get heart attacks from inhibiting dht but it might give you anxiety due to hormone fuckery, and palpitations are a symptom of anxiety. Topical minoxidil gabe me breathlessness however.

Beyond really terrible and diffuse anxiety I never had any side effects. Personally, I can only take topical fin.

what does it mean if you're shedding short hairs? like 1cm long? my hair is around 3-5 inches long

>>18462928
>not on meds
they're repeatedly shedding and miniturizing and you're losing your hair
>on meds
they're
they're repeatedly shedding and growing thicker and will get longer over time

Fin came in the mail, I'm gonna have hair forever

I want to make a diy topical fin solution. Do you know a good off-the-shelf product I can use as a carrier? I don't want to buy from minoxidilmax.

>>18462937
and a non-functional dick

>>18462970
I'm different, that won't happen to me

>>18462954
how are you gonna deal with all the inactive ingredients turning into mush?

>>18462475
>fin increases sex drive
Never happened to me. Just made me indifferent to anything sexual and kind of lazy. No fap is easy now.

>>18461947
is pp405 permanent or does it have to be used continuously like dht blockers?
how would you change your balding prevention routine if pp405 is made commercially available? pair it with fin/dut, drop min?

>use Dr. B
>doctor's name is Baldwin

2 weeks in to finasteride and cooming every day is proving increasingly difficult. I still nut so hard I chortle, but visiting the same sites does nothing. I'm tired of every category. Maybe it's just fatigue, idk. I feel fucking exhausted from just thinking about gooning to the same category tonight. I open JAV, there is nothing interesting. Pornhub, absolutely nothing. My regular tube sites, nothing. Freeuse? NOTHING. Manga? No interesting mangas.

Should I just fantasize about something? But what.

I also had a doubt of stress, depression and impossible OCD since 2023 (partly what caused the hair loss to begin with) and that vanished today. I did some meditation in the car, realized something, connected a few dots and the brain fog immediately lifted. I finally understood what was going on with me, but maybe that had something to do with the finasteride too? Idk. I would like to not think so because I realized something life changing and real. I wouldn't be thinking this way if I just felt horny like I do 6/7 nights of the week, but tonight is the first night in a while where everything seems boring.

>>18463001
Interesting. I just read the news that Israel attacked Iran and I felt something in my pp. I'm not kidding. It's got nothing to do with the news, but it unlocked some excitement in my brain, like something is happening, and it made me excited again. I might actually nut to some porn tonight after all.

>>18463001
how old are you? what do you have? recessed temples? receded hairline and crown? thinning?
it's okay to feel some less horny since the fin is affecting dht, it balances out very quickly
i remember when i first got on fin
went nofap for months, then back to gooning

>>18463007
I'm 35. I've gooned every night since I was at least 16. I am a massive coomer. I've watched the same bullshit since as far as I can remember. I have JAV scenes I go back to since 2008 (SBNS-059 and others). On some days, like last week ago, I nutted 5 time in a night. I think I posted about it ITT (not going to rewrite the post, found it: >>18458479).

I have diffuse thinning, slightly receding hairline and temples and slightly thin crown. Norwood 2 but you can't see the scalp unless I shower. No bald spot, but scalp visible in the crown after a shower or after wearing a hat.

I haven't felt less horny in two weeks, only yesterday slightly and now today. I mean I've had days where I didn't fap, didn't think of fapping or couldn't even get it up, so one night doesn't say much, but simply having no interest feels different and new. Nothing actually excites me, not even some fantasy, I don't know what to think about. It could be fatigue too though

>>18463012
I'd like to add, on top of my gooning, I also have sex once or twice a week. Masturbation and sex hit different. I haven't had sex since I started fin but suffice to say historically I'm a very horny person

>>18463012
Mine was way down for the first week but in retrospect I'm almost positive it was just nerves. After that it went way up and seems to be more normal now, some days its way up again. So long as your dick works it isn't much of an issue whichever way.

>>18462954
kirkland minoxidil

Almost a month on Fin and I’m definitely shedding more than before. You muthafuckas better be right about that being a good sign.

>>18462994
supposedly it skips the dht pathways totally and induces follicle neogenesis and shit. if it works and becomes available then due to patenting it will probably cost a shit ton, like in the high hundreds to multiple thousands per month, so the feasible option for most will likely be a short treatment of pp405 for a few months and then maintaining it with finasteride to manage costs.
but remember this is all speculation. it isnt out and theres no guarantees it will be.

>>18463012
i think anyone who's gooning too much gets diffused thinning
heard someone else say the same few threads ago

>>18463083
good luck anon
but don't worry too much, you don't go bald after just one shed
it's a very slow process, takes more than 10 years for a spot to go completely bald
>>18463118
yeah, i can see it being expensive since it's reviving follicles
if that becomes commercially available, i think i'll get just one injection and drop min (and other vitamin supplements), but keep dutasteride
hoping it becomes available instead of some jew shutting it down

>>18463135
honestly i dont think the reason new balding meds havent made it to the market since the 90s is so luch the jews shutting it down but just simple market forces. how do you get investors excited for an expensive, potentially underperforming balding treatment that will just regrow a bit of hair but mostly maintain it, when they could rather invest their money in something truly lucrative like obesity meds?
investors just arent gonna be very excited about balding meds until a sciencefag come up with something that grows a 80s glam rockstar hair on lenins mummified corpse.

>>18463150
The implications of that sort of thing are far greater than just regrowing hair. It would 99.9% require some kind of stem cell transplant on the scalp once those follicles are dead. If you could do that you might as well go one step further and regrow limbs at that point.

>>18463303
i was doing an intentional hyperbole but you get what i mean. it seems investors just arent very excited about balding meds unless they are truly revolutionary. there have been so many meds that were basically finasteride but better and with none / fewer side effects that never materialized because the investors just thought "meh".

>>18463342
If it's only kinda better than finasteride but not really, it'll be competing with fin and dut and won't sell.
Any new hot drug would have to have estrogen-levels of hair loss reversal.

How long do I take dut before it reaches peak saturation and I can slowly taper off fin?

also new thread when?

>>18463380
I would give it 30 days and taper for 3 months

new thread before we get bumped off the board
>>18463466