/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!
Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/Balding

Reminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.

Holy trinity:
Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride
Lotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil
Shampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoconazole

Finasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.
5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.
5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.
0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.

Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.
These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.
Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.

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Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.

Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.

Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.

Previous thread: >>18454854

Day one on fin, my dick is still getting hard

day 660 on fin, still as horny as ever, I'm pretty sure I plateaued on it's effects, because hair miniaturization stopped about 3-4 months in and my hair bounced back to better than baseline after around 8 months.

After that, I'm pretty sure all growth has been coming from 10mg/day oral min.

I picked up dut too because I wanna max out scalp DHT inhibition and see if it helps anything.
I also read excess sebum production and body odor are aspects of high DHT so I wanna suppress it as much as possible to see if anything changes, mostly in the interest of skincare and not hair.
I'm not sure whether to even get off fin since it still works, maybe I should just do both.

reminder that no matter what happens, any amount of hair is better than no hair as it creates a sense of variation and texture on the head which is ALWAYS better than skin bald. don't take the razorpill, do a 1 guard buzz at the absolute worst and something shorter on the sides for a more square appearance

>reminder that no matter what happens, any amount of hair is better than no hair as it creates a sense of variation and texture on the head which is ALWAYS better than skin bald. don't take the razorpill, do a 1 guard buzz at the absolute worst and something shorter on the sides for a more square appearance

>>18463466 (OP)
Hey guys, 20M, been losing my hair since I was 15, getting worse in recent years.

Do you think dutasteride and minoxidil could save this? I've got an appointment with a hair clinic that can prescribe them that's coming up soon

Really hoping I don't need to resort to a transplant at such a young age, I wouldn't be able to afford it.

>>18463553
It actually doesn't look too bad out of the shower after air drying, but when it gets wet or a tad bit greasy and if i sweat any amount during the day, the facade starts falling apart

hoping since I'm a diffuse thinner I might see more results.

>>18463553
yeah you just gotta start asap

>>18463557
I'm gonna ask for 1mg dut and 2.5mg min, how much benefit you think I'll see?

>>18463540
looks sick, has personality, but if you're implying it looks bad, my point was that leaving even just some stubble would look better than going mr. clean

>>18463562
don't go in asking for a dose, just see what they say and go from there

>>18463564
Okay thanks anon

>>18463553
you might have something else going on than just pattern hair loss because your hair on the sides is thinning too it looks like

>>18463466 (OP)
Brehs... how bad is it?

35 years old

Also how safe are minoxidil and finasteride when self medicated?

>>18463583
bot post
https://www.reddit.com/r/PhHairloss/comments/1laeqds/how_bad_is_it_kaya_ba_isave_ng_minoxidil_6/

i have telogen effluvium and alopecia areata on one side of my head but nowhere else.. does anyone know of some kinda hair product that i could put on the back of my head and other side that would imitate the greasy look liquid minox has in the hair? it'd be nice if it has a little bit of hold too, so i can slick my sides back if i go too long between a haircut. i have very fine blonde hair.

>>18463582
I've done blood tests for p much everything, pretty sure I just have diffuse unpatterned thinning

i have telogen effluvium and alopecia areata on one side of my head but nowhere else.. does anyone know of some kinda hair product that i could put on the back of my head and other side that would imitate the greasy look liquid minox has in the hair? it'd be nice if it has a little bit of hold too, so i can slick my sides back if i go too long between a haircut. i have very fine blonde hair and usually have some kind of detached undercut with short faded sides. i'm also open to any ideas for haircuts that can hide my hair loss but won't make me look like as much of a karen/miley cyrus lol.

>>18463598
Probably a grooming cream or pomade, not as thick as hair gel but should get you that greasy look and be able to slick quite well

>>18463599
i didn't think to use pomade, because i've always used really matte ones and clays on the top of my head.. i forgot greasy ones exist -- that's a great idea!
i guess i just need a greasy, really light hold one, or a cream like that. i'll look into it more thanks.

bros is it over?

>>18463603
slick it back wet and show us your hairline. right now it just looks like you have bed head and damage.

anyone diffuse thinning, how often are you gooning? how many times do you cum per week?

>>18463605
i dont have a photo of that anon, it looks like picrel
should i hop on fin?

>>18463611
you're good player.

>>18463610
i jack off a lot, im 34 and have had a high libido as far back as i remember. im horny as fuck like 24/7 and i jerk off as little as twice a day and as many as 6 or 7 times. i never miss one when i wake up and right before sleep, at bare minimum. my hair is diffuse thinning horribly. i dont think there's any causality here though.

>>18463610
Yes, maybe once a week
Doubt gooning actually hurts hair

I could have been on dutasteride since I was 18 but noo, my family doctor was terrified of PFS, now I'm 23, on it and barely maintaining, but with no sides

I want to die

daily praying pp405 becomes commercially available
>>18463616
i think there is some correlation between the two
i can't help but notice how all 4 of my sheds have coincided with my gooning sessions
>>18463619
how bad is your thinning? have you always masturbated once per week or did you reduce your activity after your thinning started?
>>18463638
how long have you been balding? it takes a long time for your scalp to become scar tissue and kill off the follicles
at least you're starting relatively early

>>18463673
>>18463616
The gooning itself isn’t causing the balding. That would imply people having lots of sex would be completely bald. The issue is an underlying amount of stress. Wanking is more of a stress coping mechanism. It’s why monkeys beat off openly. They’re very nervous, and the masturbation is more of a reaction. The thinning is a type of telogen effluvium, rather than male pattern baldness. Something is making you anxious, depressed, sleepy, and irritated.

My suggestion is to find a way to keep busy. Have goals. I’m not even saying work. Just find some sort of thing you want in life and try to achieve it. People who are busy don’t have time to wank all day.

The good news is that telogen effluvium is reversible. The bad news is that it’s difficult, because many people don’t even know what’s stressing themselves out.

Start by going to a med spa and treat yourself to a massage, maybe even skin treatment. You’ll feel better and rejuvenated which will also speed up the growth process. Also, make sure to get lots of sleep at normal hours. If you’re going to do something time-wasting like playing a game, do it during the day. I also recommend oxygen intake. Depression can also be from not getting enough oxygen in your body. There are spas that offer oxygen beds. Get nasal sprays for your sinuses.

>>18463678
The oxygen will also help with growth because it helps the blood flow to the scalp. Like when someone goes through trauma, be it physical or mental, they go pale with fear. That’s blood loss in the face and head. The same trauma also causes hair loss.

There isn’t exactly cut and dry balding gene. It’s more of gauge on how your body is managing stressful situations. Some trauma or stress can go as far back as childhood. Others could have substance abuse such as alcohol (depressant) and drinking also makes hair brittle.

Unless you have some weird genetic mutation, 99% of balding is based on stress and habits that lead to unhappiness. Imagine your life if you didn’t touch porn, video games, drugs, or something that is an unhealthy addiction. Hell, for some, it could even be coffee or TikTok.

>>18463682
Uh 99% of balding is male pattern baldness. Its never stress or any other pseudo-correlation and if it is you will know it long before you end up on a thread like this.

>>18463673
Since I was like 13 but it's gotten really aggressive 17 and up

>>18463673
I used to masturbate a lot but I didn't like how it made me feel after and eventually the guilt and shame outweighed the temporary pleasure

>>18463603
yes, kill yourself before it spreads

>>18463695
damn that's awful
have you made any progress now?
i assume you're the guy who's 23
>>18463696
this is my balding history
22: moved out, started jacking off whenever i felt since no one would barge in, noticed hair fall for the first time
25-26: started jacking off more than before, got on fin and min
26-27: kept losing my hair despite being on fin and min because i downloaded some game mods and it made me super horny, i jacked off everyday by now
28: shed the most, i had intense hour long edging sessions or two everyday over two weeks, switched to duta
i even had another goon season after switching to duta and started losing hair again despite seeing some progress with hair fall control
really doesn't feel like a coincidence to me
my hairline is intact, but i may have lost 30% of my density by now
my scalp is visible in some areas and it looks fucking disgusting

>>18463690
Everyone’s balding much earlier and even teenagers are balding. We live the most inorganic lives that make everyone anxious and fucked up. Balding typically shouldn’t be a thing until your 40’s or 50’s, usually after someone’s kid hitting puberty. Hell, nobody’s having kids now.

>>18463741
That type of thinning is stress balding. That’s not MBP.

everyone's balding early because of microplastics, slop, chemtrails

>>18463736
:( anon im 37, is that bad for that age?
>>18463768
nayyyy

>>18463690
my dad has some kind of weird stress balding, nw1 hairline but something between like female pattern baldness where it's spreading from the middle and diffuse thinning

if you're white you need to take finasteride NOW.

>>18463758
you would be losing hair that is DHT resistant if it wasnt male pattern baldness, ie . The back and sides of the head, maybe even eyebrows. Stress can accelerate it for sure but does not cause it..

Ive been taking minox and dustasteride for 8 months. Already have the money for hair implant. Any tips?

Im thinking abotu going to now hair time in turkey. Turkey has a reputation and a lot of famous people went to this clinic. Heard that the rest of the world caught up but i dont know irl who did it in my country to really see if it is worth it skipping the trip.

I fucking hate travelling but i wanna to get the best result possible also i can pay anyway.

>>18463987
wait until you see results with min and duta
what dosages are these? do you also have topical min, or just both oral?
has your hair fall reduced in 8 months?

>>18463990
My case requires hair implant. Ive been balding since 17 and the drugs only made the top of my head, which had thinning hair a bit more full. I dont think they can restore the places that became skin a long way ago.
I started with drugs at 28, my case i should have started at 18 but i didnt care about it back in the time, also wouldnt be comfortable taking them before 26.

>>18463990
dut is 0.5mg x3 per week and minox is topical from kirkland x2 a day.

>has your hair fall reduced in 8 months?
keep a buzz so i didnt notice changes

>>18463987
laorwong.

How long should I have watery semen for when going on finasteride? I've nutted on average 3 times a day since starting (3 weeks ago) and my semen now is almost like water. There is 0 consistency, except for a few small lumps occasionally. The recent nut just now was all water, nothing there.

I also noticed my prostate took two jerks to shoot the cum. Normally, I nut hard and instantly but now nothing came out until like two pumps, and then it was a conscious effort to shoot out.

Maybe I masturbate too much? I've rarely nutted 3–5 times a day for so long but I also don't think I've ever seen my semen so weak

Watery semen how long?

>>18464054
Maybe a couple months if Finasteride is the culprit. Seems a bit excessive to me and seen quality goes down the older you get. Might not even be related to fin.

>>18464057
I didn't have any problems before fin. My libido has increased, or maybe it's just boredom, but my semen quality has drastically decreased.

I'll try not ejaculating for two days and see how that goes. I normally go once every night and morning, but now I've gone 2–3 times a night and still sometimes once a morning. Sometimes during the day, too. It's been insane. I don't even think I can resist for days but I'll try.

>>18464059
That would be your correlation and causation then. Not so much inherently the fault of fin

>dut reduced my oily face and hair after 4 days
is this even possible?

>ketocazole
Nice try faggot. You're not getting me to use femboy shampoo.

>>18464106
it's really effective though
I keep my dandruff away with just a drop lathered up on the problem areas every week

>>18464106
that's spiro retard

>>18464059
my cum is the exact same look texture and volume but tastes a tiny bit different

I am not going to get my hair back with finasteride only, am I?

Is there really any benefit from upping your dose of dut to 1mg from 0.5

>>18464148
systemic DHT reduction plateaus quickly after 0.5mg, the only reason you'd take 2.5mg/day is if you're trying to load up to steady state very quickly or you want that 75% scalp DHT, 99% systemic DHT reduction asap.

>>18464146
drink topical min, it's cheap and easy

>>18464166
Don’t do this. You’ll want to puke.

>>18464176
you puked with 4 drops?

>>18464143
Buddy, ketocazole is literally used to inhibit testosterone, not DHT. Unless you're balding because of a fungal infection on your scalp I wouldn't risk using it.

>>18464184
*ketoconazole

>>18464184
youre supposed to use it topically not drink it. there's no evidence, not even anecdotally, of it reducing dht or t topically

>>18464179
Why not apply it to the scalp? Forever. For the rest of your life?

I think I'm going to keep taking fin and maybe get a hair transplant when I'm older... I just hoped I didn't become thinner WITH fin...

>>18464190
it doesn't work on 100% of men
plus some people are sensitive to propylene glycol and it causes irritation and dandruff-like symptoms.
It's also a lot more convenient.

>>18464190
>Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.

Whether you believe liquid min is or isn't effective when taken orally, a noticeable portion of men don't have the scalp enzyme to make use of it when applied topically.

>>18464190
Min did nothing for me besides maybe maintain what I had at the time. When I added fin I actually had massive gains. Min is shilled 100x harder than finasteride and it hardly even works and is messy as hell

Should I hop on tranny drugs? Upvote for yes

>>18464346
Spiro?
No

>>18464346
stop calling 5ar inhibitors tranny drugs
trannies don't take finasteride
they wouldn't want it anyway as it raises T levels considerably

>Began using fin 3 years ago at NW2
>Hairline hasn't moved an inch since
>Dick works just fine

It saved my life

>>18464081
Dut is a miracle drug holy shit, all the shit I tried for skincare didn't work at all but dut cleared up my greasy face in just a few days, I love dutasteride!

On 1mg of fin, will shedding make my hair look noticeably worse at some point?

I started 4 months ago on topical finasteride (rogaine). Hairline is filling in quite nicely. I just use as directed. Its exceeded my expectations desu. I actually find my libido has increased.

>>18464401
I never experienced any shedding. All I've seen is regrowth of hairs in areas that were bald and it looks kind of tarded but hey its gotta fill in some how. I think in 3 more months Ill look like I never had any hairloss.

>>18464283
Its probably more likely that they are too fucking lazy to apply it 2x a day. I just do it with my morning and night face care routine. Simple as.

is there any reason for optimism? 6-7 months of fin and min.

>>18464547
how old are you and how long has it been bald? what dose of fin and min?

>>18464565
29, i still had fuzz that looked like real hair there around 2 or 3 years ago. 1mg fin and i spray min twice a day, the usual.

>>18464572
I'd try oral min if I were you

>>18464590
i actually started swallowing a few drops daily a week ago, hope it does something.

>>18464591
I recommend diluting the solution to 0.5% and using a 1ml insulin syringe

>>18464148
yes, if you really want side effects


>>18464547
Your case is the same as mine. You must do hair implant.

>>18463610
3–4 times a day. Had incredible hair until 2 years ago when I lost her and suffered an identity crisis. Hair started diffusely thinning.
My brother is a gooner too and his hair is diffusely thin. My dad too

>>18463553
Diffuse thinning comes so fast. One year you've got full head of hair, the next you notice you barely have volume left

Fin is safe, hop on it

>>18464289
>cum
How long did it take until you saw gains?

>>18464691
Over a year. It might have been earlier but I was shedding constantly which made my hair look worse than baseline.

finbros...

>>18464763
grim but looking like a young twink fag at 35 beats being a bald fat boomer at 23
i wonder if he started fin as a teenager or something

>>18464767
he just needs to get jacked and stop with the cuck smile. you see only libtards embrace stuff like fin while masculine guys go for ball tanning or some shit.

ive seen a lot of posts complaining their face looks uglier when taking fin

>>18464768
lol what a fucking cope. only neurotic cuck losers go bald in 2025 when fin and dut are invented

>>18464771
yeah and if you go to africa you will hear niggers claim that evil spirits forced them to rape kids. magical thinking is a hell of a thing.

>>18464727
That makes me so hopeful. I'm 3 weeks in and I'm still shedding, hair is still impossible to style, I just don't see myself making any gains on fin alone. Started on a norwood 2 with no bald spots, only significantly less hair density and temples slightly receding

Had exceptionally thick hair all my life

>>18464059
> I'll try not ejaculating for two days and see how that goes.
I don't think I'm going to make it. Thinking about cooming right now, the urge is insane.

>>18464346
you dont even seem to be receding

>>18464816
his temples might be receding, that forehead looks a bit wide. admittedly it might just be his skull shape.

>>18464807
Stick with it no matter how bad and seemingly endless the shedding is. You will be grateful you weathered it when the gains roll in

>>18464771
nice cope, but pretty much all male models are on fin or dutasteride. im sure you mog them with your bald egghead and acne.

>>18464839
its not cope if its actually a side effect some people have

>>18464849
those people are hysteric schizos who imagine shit, its not a real side effect anyone has ever had.

>>18464852
thats what fin shills say when people experience reported side effects too: "it's just nocebo bro"

>>18464768
Its funny because you sound like all the guys I knew in my 20s who made fun of me for taking care of myself. "Hurr durr ur such a fag for skincare, sunscreen iz for pussies, gym is too much work who you trying to impress? you need to have more wings and beer bruh your starving urself, OMG why would you use rogaine just be bald dude" 20 years later they look 60, fat, balding and I still get my ID checked buying wine. Now its literally "hurr durr ur a pedo for going on a date with a 21 year old, what do u even have in common"

>>18464873
men are the biggest bucket crabs

>>18464857
>fin shill
cute, its a generic medicine you can buy from shit eating pajeets, a few dollars to last you years. anti finasteride people are the actual shills, if you join their forums they shill you retarded "cures" to their made up shit like post finasteride syndrome. you are one of those kike grifters obviously and need to kill yourself right now.

>>18464880
>getting this mad over a single word and ignoring the argument
most sane fin shill

>>18464907
you have no argument at all, you just make up shit and expect others to humour you. none of the things you talk about have any evidence, i might as well go "argue" about osteopathy and horoscopes on /x/. i know the pfs shill playbook perfectly well. if anyone takes you seriously you invite them to a telegram and try to sell them shit.

>>18464916
idk if it's true or not but when a lot of people report it and when you realize you're nuking a large amount of dht, and for some people this raises estrogen, it's not hard to believe at all that for some people this can change the appearance of their face. and for some people minoxidil can make their face look worse but it doesn't for everyone. but when you present all of this information to fin shills they just call you mentally ill or get extremely mad, classic

>>18464919
>>18464771
it's not changing any bones or anything like that just puffiness and maybe dry skin and stuff of this sort

take the wigpill

>>18464919
>you get pissed because i spread fud?
>hah fin shill!
can i get the invite to your telegram already?
>and for some people this raises estrogen
You should go visit /lgbt/, the trannies there take every single hormonal treatment and more and look like fucking ghouls with zero femininity. If you get estrogenic issues from fin your hormones were fucked up to begin with, even if you nuke all your DHT, a normal persons E2 is raised by 10% to 20% max. It also raises your testosterone - and lot more, thats where you get estrogen from in the first place as aromatase converts it - but this doesnt fit the PFS shills rhetorics so that is conveniently ignored EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Please just kill yourself already, people like you actively work to make the world a worse place just to sell shit to mentally unwell people.

>>18464956
for someone who accuses others of being mentally unwell you sure do sound unwell yourself. i dont have a telegram or anything to sell, it's just a topic of concern

>>18464994
you are a literal shill. accusing others of being shill out of the blue for no reason is such a classic tactic. the fact is there is zero reason to shill for a generic med that costs oennies, but there are plenty reasons to shill for shady people who take advantage of others. kill yourself you subhuman kike faggot.

>>18465002
no you were called a shill because you got super defensive right away towards concern about fin and you condescendingly say any opposition is mentally ill:
>>18464839
>>18464852
but now you pretend to act like you care about mentally ill people as part of your defense:
>>18464956
and whether you're a shill or not doesn't matter anyway when you act like just one. and do you really think fin companies are charities, and that there's no channels dedicated to promoting fin?

>>18465008
>if you call people hysteric schizos you must also be okay with scamming and abusing them
kill yourself you disgusting kike. you are literally soulless and do not possess anything that could be called ethics.
>fin companies are charities, and that there's no channels dedicated to promoting fin?
no, they sell drugs to make money. now tell me why would they bother to shill fin when any one of their competitors can make it? why notnuse the resources to shill patented medicine that sells for a shit ton more? none of you grifting kikes are ever able to answer this. go kill yourself already disgusting lying fud spreading subhuman.

>>18465011
>getting this mad just because i expressed concern about something and because i called you a shill because of how you're reacting
you're insane. and i already answered your question:
>>18465008
>and that there's no channels dedicated to promoting fin?
and i already told you i have nothing to sell nor am i promoting anything at all. that's not the case with you though haha

>>18465013
ahaik i know your playbook perfectly well. when you trick people into actually believing your lies you invite them to offsite communication channels where you can corner them and push them into buying shit.

stop pretending you are not a shill eith an ulterior motive. you spread fud knowingly and you already revealed your moral characterby questioning why would someone would not wsnt to scam and abuse people he calls mentally ill.
you literally revealed exactly what you are with that question. psychopaths like you seriously need to be removed from existence.

>>18465014
i literally never mentioned pfs or any telegram or anything. i don't even know what type of treatment you're referring to from there and haven't heard of any and i'm not endorsing it at all. in fact that was you who mentioned it lel. what's your finasteride channel called btw?

>>18465014
>and you already revealed your moral characterby questioning why would someone would not wsnt to scam and abuse people he calls mentally ill.
>you literally revealed exactly what you are with that question.
you're retarded. i was pointing out how earlier you were mocking those mentally ill people but then were later pretending to care about them as part of your defense

>>18465016
you alrwady revealed that you are a predatory psychopath whonsees nothing wrong with tsking advantage of people he disagrees with, its a bit late to try projecting your mindset. inmust be talking to ben shapiro here, this is some ultra kike level shit.

>>18465019
read this retard:
>>18465018
it's insane how you can't even grasp basic english. are you some 3rd world jeet promoting finasteride for pennies or something?

>>18465018
what a pathetic attempt at trying to backpedal. you revealed your exact mindset. you absolutely see nothing wrong with taking advantage of people, otherwise you would bot have asked that question. i can look down on people for being hysteric and retarded but i still possess humanity unlike you, so I dont wish to harm them. nobody but a psychopath would ever even think to ask what you did. you are an incredibly disgusting person, i would be unable to live with myself if i were you.

>>18465020
more pathetic psychoparh babble, what you call your "personality" has been injured and now you lash out in rage.

>>18465023
>>18465024
nope, you're coping hard. you were originally mocking those people as mentally ill but then when you get accused of acting like a shill you pretend to totally care about those mentally ill people you were just mocking because you're pretending i was promoting something when i literally never mentioned it and even now i'm still saying i'm not promoting it! kek, nice try jeet. is your youtube channel dying or what's going on?

i'll try to give you a benefit of the doubt: why did you mock those people as mentally ill and then suddenly pretend they were victims when i called you a shill?

>>18465025
your attempt to project and shield and lie is so transparent its pitiful. you are a disgusting kike. "benefitnof doubt"? lmao, a psychopath like you has bonbenefit to give abmbyone, the only benefit you can give anyone is killing yourself.

>>18465028
i'm still waiting for an answer instead of weak deflection. why did you mock mentally ill people you supposedly cared about?

>>18465029
you are a psychopath, its incredible that you still try to project and lie and obfuscate when you perfectly laid out your mindset for everyone to see. i sincerely hope you end your life.

>>18465034
>he's still seething incredibly
>he's still not answering why he was mocking people he views as mentally ill that he claims to care about
most sane fin defender

Stop replying to the schizo.

what upset the sore baldy this time? is no one falling for transplant scam anymore?

>>18465046
The original schizo seems to have left us alone. These new guys just seem like they are genuinely morons from the "Just shave it bro" camp.

>>18465046
>>18465055
>>18465067
cope fintards. the only treatments needed are minoxidil, ketoconazole shampoo, and microneedling, until better treatments come out within a few years. enjoy fucking up your endocrine system, hormonal balance, and body, out of desperation and then convincing yourself it's a casual and normal thing to do just because a bunch of other desperate people do the same thing

>>18465138
I don't really see how it's any worse than taking gear which is wholly encouraged on /fit/, and that shit actually has documented negative side effects.

>>18465138
Willingly losing your hair is fucking up your body permanently in one of the most unsightly ways lol. None of those things will keep your hair intact for more than a few years. Pretty much ask anyone who didn't take fin with min

just took the buzzpill, my scalp is diffuse and totally visible but i feel FREE

I started searching for clinics but one thing i noticed is that all the patients show in before and after pics, from all clinics are using this exactly same haircut.
I believe thats because you get less density in middle of the head and this haircut helps hiding that. Anyone who did hair implant itt? Am i right?

I was planning to have long hair or at least a bang, but i dont know if it will look bad.

>>18465315
Also look this proof of success from a clinic, the guy doesnt even need a transplant, even i could do this surgery and end up with a good result, kek

>>18465315
it's only for restoring hairline
diffuse thinning can never be helped with transplants
it affects follicles all over the scalp in random patterns
which is why transplants aren't for everyone, but the anti-fin/duta transplant shills here don't want you to know that

>>18465319
from what ive seen its a lottery, theres examples of guys w a pretty fucked hair who got smt good

>>18465315
they can take it into account and compensate i.e. put more grafts near the part. it depends where you're starting form desu if it's NW5 it's harder.

>>18465319
Sure it can especially if you catch it early and only have the infamous bald spot. So long as you are on fin and you are not losing more then its a valid option

>>18465422
Here is an example of someone who had a transplant to restore density, problem is they didn't block DHT and thus it looks like just as bad however many years on

>>18465425
kek, this is what i expect all anti-fin/duta transplant shills to look like

>>18465465
And this is what happens to a normal hairline transplant without blocking dht in a year or so

>>18465519
>>18465521
exactly
this transplant shit is shilled every single thread but these shills never mention how the transplant surgeons prescribe fin or duta anyway, and if you don't take those the transplant is just a waste of money

Does my hairline look normal or pushed back? I primarily have diffuse thinning but now that I look, I'm confused on whether I just have a large forehead or my hairline has receded

>>18465822
Your hairline is receding rapidly

>>18465828
Well I just started dut and min so here's hoping it doesn't get worse

I took fin for 3 months and I think after that I started to get brain fog
was it something else or would brain fog come in within a month?

>>18465862
Fin has a short half life and works pretty much immediately, it'd be weird for sides to only show up after 3 months
If you really want to get down to it you can stop it for a few weeks, honestly that would even be overkill since it shouldn't take more than a couple days to be fully out of your system
Probably something else

>>18465885
it takes a while for a body to get used to medication sometimes. like oral minoxidil some people don't get side effects right away. half life doesn't matter

>>18465138
use topically so u won't be a tard, u still need it.
>>18465140
tru

Why do you never see guys with hair transplants sport different hairstyles than the most basic bitch office approved short cut?
No one with long hair, a curly jewfro, mullet, fucking emo hair, just the standard "middle aged guy who works in an cubicle" cut. Is it just a coincidence or don't transplants procide enough density to actually express a different hairstyle?

>>18466051
When you get a transplant you're recommended to keep your hair short and in non stressful styles for the first year so the hairs can take root

A transplant can definitely give enough density for medium or long hair styles, fringes, bangs etc

Picrel got one

>>18466130
thanks anon, now i can cope about saving money for one again

>>18466051
because in the west short styles are the go to.

Holy SHIT niggers. PP405 phase 2a results came in today and it regrew over 20% hair follicles after ONE MONTH of treatment. They are moving ahead to phase 3 trials next year and its realistic it will be released to the market in 2-3 years.

This is the biggest news in the field of hair loss since finasteride was released. They grew hair on SLICK BALD areas.

PP405 has released results of phase 2a of trials

https://www.hairlosscure2020.com/pelage-pharmaceuticals-clinical-trials/

>Note that the trial participants just had 4 weeks of treatment. At another 4 weeks after the completion of this treatment (“in men with a higher degree of hair loss”), 31% of those treated with PP405 exhibited a greater than 20% increase in hair density.

>Notably, PP405 stimulated new hair growth from previously inactive follicles, highlighting its unique regenerative capabilities.

Phase 3 is expected for 2026, this timeline suggests a release date of 2028-2030

>>18466266
Oop beat me to it lmao

>>18466271
I mean none of that is really groundbreaking . Fin/min already does that. If it is truly bringing dead follicles back to life that would be something else

>>18466321
link me a fin/min study where the subjects regrew 20% of their hair after a treatment of 4 weeks buddy

>>18466327
Its just a little bit faster calm down. Until a life long nw5 can be resurrected this will just be a another option to contemplate

>>18466363
It will most likely replace or be used in conjunction with minoxidil since it's more effective at reawakening dormant follicles
Almost nothing will revive a nw5 with full scarring except stem cell therapy

>>18466373
Maybe. Without having data on the severity of the hairloss the patients had the 20% figure thrown around could be not so significant if this is a 20% increase for someone with not much hair to begin with. As a NW2 this would be huge but I have a feeling it is the former.

>>18463466 (OP)
Not saying I'm stupid enough to ingest 5% minoxidil, but if I were, would I let the foam turn into water and then dilute it with water?

>>18466424
foam and liquid have different ingredients, only ingest the topical liquid, look at the inactive ingredients if you're unsure.

>>18466271
I wonder how long the hair regrowth will last without taking fin? Depending on the cost of he drug, I feel like i'd rather just reapply this when the hair falls out.

anyways, really great news.

>>18466321
>>18466387
>Particularly striking was the finding that unlike existing drugs that primarily slow hair loss or support hair growth from already-active follicles, PP405 induced new hair growth from follicles where no hair was previously present — offering early validation of its regenerative potential.

Still doesn't confirm whether these follicles were dead or dormant but it was able to regrow hair where none was present

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pelage-pharmaceuticals-announces-positive-phase-130000929.html

>>18466465
from what ive gathered pp405 essentially overrided the entire hormonal signaling thing. as long as you keep taking it you shouldn't nwwd a 5ar blocker.
but practically thinking it will prolly cost a ton, so i wouldn't bw surprised if the most viable option for anyone who's not a millionaire is to take a short treatment of pp405 and then maintain with fin/dut. a novel patented treatment like this is bound to cost a lot.

>>18466527
...although this speculation is ignoring we live in 2025 where china has a black market for laborstories to produce this shit. maybe a chink "research chemical" copy of pp405 will be available for penniesm

>>18466539
The formula is kept secret by Pelage Pharmaceuticals, only way for someone to make a copy is to have a leak of the formula or get their hands on some pp405 and reverse engineer it

Would be a miracle if it got leaked soon, I don't wanna wait until 2028 or 2030

>>18466266
>>18466271
i wonder how this will be administered and whether it will have to be paired with dht blockers
i assume it will be an injection that you take once a month and be on fin or duta to prevent further loss

>>18466471
I'm hoping we get to see something soon. I will be skeptical until then. They are primarily after investment at this stage so take it with a grain of salt

not my photo but it looks quite similar under well lit rooms or sun. is it balding?

>>18466692
Have you always had that pronounced of a cowlick? If yes then most likely not balding if no then early stages of thinning

>>18466692
Yes

>>18466692
impossble to say, if there has been change then youre probably balding, if its always been like that then no.

>>18466610
you forget that US drug patents by law list the ingredients and chemical structure in great detail. some sawwy chink could extrapolate based on that alone.

if you have to apply pp405 every day then who cares if you tolerate oral fin and oral min?

>>18466768
it's a single compound, and the structure is gonna be public anyway

>>18466781
because it apparently has the ability to induce a ton of regrowth even in slick bald areas. its like a hair transplant, but pharmaceutical instead of surgical.

Fresh from the shower, how bad is it?
1-10 please

>>18466956
Classic diffuse thinning. Its usually a rapid onset and falls out way quicker than your standard norwood recession. All diffuse thinning cases are an immediate 10, there is no salvaging it or coping without medication asap. You will look freakish in a year from now plan accordingly

>>18466956
>>18467229
diffuse thinning is the easiest to recover from though
unironically fin/dut + min and you'll recover most of it no bueno

>>18467244
Yeah it is. There is no gracefully balding with it, meds or shave it now.

>>18467229
>>18467244
I've actually been thinning since I was 15, 20 now, doc refused to prescribe dut or min until like a week ago

I've tried all the bullshit, rosemary oil, castor oil, priorin, viviscal, everything you didn't need a prescription for

Really hoping I can get some of the density back cause this is brutal, it rained today and I know people could see my scalp

>>18467303
You live in a place where topical minoxidil requires prescription?

I recently started taking an immunosuppressant called cyclosporine for a medical condition. Although it basically gives you AIDS and high blood pressure, another known side effect is increased hair growth, including on the scalp. I will report back if I notice any difference in what is now a Norwood 3.

>>18467229
>>18467244
Diffuse thinning is also from stress. You can have your hair grow back but it’s easier said than done. You can’t just “un-stress” yourself. You have to figure out what traumatized you mentally or physically.

I suggest going to a spa that has an oxygen bed and take a nap.

i have been told alopecia areata can be diagnosed if the patient has pits in their nails, and i do have pits in my finger nails
it also comes in a diffused pattern, and i have been diffuse thinning
does that mean i have alopecia areata and not regular diffuse thinning?

>>18467793
>>18467757
99% of the time people speculate their hairloss is because of stress or vitamin deficiency or whatever, they're just thinking wishfully because they're afraid of finasteride. if your stress or deficiencies were bad enough to lose your hair, most likely you would have other, very obvious and severe physical symptoms too, not just thinning hair and a little imperfect nails.

>>18467382
Well I live in Belgium, I tried 2% but didn't get much success

Anything over 2% topical requires a prescription, they are so behind in medicine approval it is crazy

>at the age of 19 I knew for fucking sure I would go bald based on my hairline
>spend the next 10 years obsessing over it, taking minoxidil, finasteride, eventually dutasteride
>none of it really worked
>I accepted my fate
>currently37 years old, learned to live with it
>it still sucks big time

I don't really have any advice for anyone, it's all a big nothing, then you die

>>18467896
It sucks that nothing worked for you and you gave up, but your post means diddly shit to others. I've been using topical minoxidil for over a year now and my fingers get stuck in my hair.

>>18467846
cant you just walk over the border to a countey with saner pharmaceutical laws and back in an afternoon

>>18467896
at least you gave it your all, you dont have to live with regrets of what could have been, like some bald bozos who only realize they should have done something when they look like lenin.

do you take oral fin/duta and oral min in the morning or before going to bed?

How cooked am I? 26 but it’s been the same somewhat since 16-17. Haven’t taken fin or min. What should I hop on and what should I expect. How much for a transplant?

>>18468112
thats clear recession you are almost the picture of norwood 3 negro

>>18467937
morning

>>18467830
>It’s just cope!
Uh huh… See, I actually reversed mine by getting my shit together.

>>18468112
I can't really see a clear difference due to the low quality in the 2017 pic but it doesn't look like it has changed much?

Regardless you should probably consider something in the future as you do have obvious recession at the temples and as you reach your 30's you'll start losing hair.

Can someone please enlighten me on this but why take fin over dut? Dut is much stronger and has less prevalent side effects so you don't lose your balls.

>>18468344
Will fin and min help?

I'm so fucking close to trooning out bros. I'm only 19 and I haven't started balding but all the men on both sides of my family are fucking bald. I have long, luscious, hair and I get a lot of compliments on it.

I can't live without it, I NEED my hair. I'm taking min and dut everyday but I know the norwood reaper is right around the corner. I don't have a problem with losing my dick since I'll never get laid anyways and if I get breasts I'll just lop them off.

>>18468405
we need ai to replace every job before people like this enter the workforce or we are genuinely cooked as species

>>18468481

>>18468360
no, people just take them for fun and because the pills taste good.

>>18468349
there is no conclusive evidence that dut has a lower side effect incidence, its pretty much the same for both meds.
people primarily take fin over dut because its what their doctors prescribe them, as its fda approved for balding, while dut is used off label. fin is usually also a lot cheaper.
finally, finasteride has a short half life, duts half life is multiple weeks. if you do get side effects, dut is nastier because they can last for months, while finasteride washes out almost entirely in a week.

>>18468405
tbqh it looks like you just want to troon out and are using balding as an excuse.

>>18463466 (OP)
I got on fin basically as soon as I noticed my temples starting to recede. On it for a couple weeks now.
Is shedding at this stage normal? It seems like my hair's been getting thinner, not sure if that's actually the case or if it's my imagination.
I'm not in this general often but I gather that there are usually a few cycles of shedding/regrowth before things stabilize after about a year. Is that more or less correct? What's the basic rundown on what to expect?

>>18468092
why have you been spamming this image these past few months
you some kind of bot?

>>18468405
if you're not losing hair stop worrying about it and don't take anything or troon out all will cause shedding and stress too even if you have the genetics for it just keep it in the back of your mind and take pictures

>>18468508
yes it takes around 6 motnhs for a growth cycle.

>>18468508
For me personally I was shedding for the first three months on and off after about a week. Some people go a whole year and then shed while some seemingly never do at all. Sheding does indicate a response to the medication and eventual regrowth thicker than your baseline. I didnt see great results until over a year but they definitely came and are quite noticeable just by looking. Some people get massive gains in as short as 3 months. There is a lot of variance in how people respond but yeah a year would be fine usually

1 month on fin, cum is watery as fuck, hair looks fucking stupid and still shedding

Not sure what I'm doing anymore. Should I just buzz it off or get a hair transplant?

>>18468782
yeah its over, if your hair doesnt totally regrow after 1 week of fin you're fucked

>>18463466 (OP)
I've been using tropical minoxidil (5% + 1% finastride ) every day at least once. But it's been around nearly six months and i don't see much progress
my hairfall seems to have stopped but my temples just haven't shown any growth. I do see small hairs but nothing much

is this progress?
Also i've been hella inconsistent, sometimes skipping 3 to 4 days in a week. now im just applying it once a day. is this maybe the reason im seeing no progress as such? pls help

Feeling less sides from Costco fin (red pill) than the Indian online fin (blue pill) I was taking before. Anyone else have same reaction?

>>18468885
You are using it every day or skipping 3-4 days? You are being inconsistent and not using it properly so it won't be working properly as a result

>>18468893
The first 3-4 months i was consistent but the past 2 months i have been using it once a day, maybe skip 2-3 days in a week here and there in a month

>You are being inconsistent and not using it properly so it won't be working properly as a result
yeah i need to get my shit together and get on this properly.
is once a day enough or twice is necessary? been seeing that once is enough and twice is overkill so i stopped doing it twice a day for the past two months

>>18468901
You would want to use it twice as a day as the standard dosage of topical fin should be 2-2.5% concentration. Minoxidil you can get away with once a day but twice also helps

>>18468890
Isn't blue pill 5mg?

>>18468921
1mg finpecia from adc

1 month of fin and min, I didn't have much hope in the beginning but it's turning out nicely.

do genetics actually play any part in balding or is it all luck? my grandfather was totally bald but his sons have full heads of hair in their 60s. my uncles son aka my cousins hairline receeded fairly high up but he doesnt have a bald spot and hes around 40. just keeping an eye out for what i should expect in the future

>>18469079
nah man its not genetics you just have to pray hard

>>18469079
It's both. I've seen some families have the men get absolutely ravaged by baldness like clockwork while with others one brother is bald and one isn't or even 3/4 are not and so on. Since you already have the genetics for it luck will now decide if you get fucked or not.

>>18469115
yeah im thinking its luck. my mom has two brothers in their 50s one is totally bald the other full head of hair

I think it's finally time. Can feel the difference in the thickness of my hairline and the rest of my hair. Looked at a photo from 3 years ago and it's so much fuller at the front. Still have a full head of hair, but it's definitely a bit thinner at the front. Prevention over cure, right lads?

>>18469157
You can realistically get improved density if you start soon. 3 years isn't too bad to let it go for unchecked I've seen some crazy recoveries

Finasteride shedding is in full effect now and it’s excruciating. If this shit doesn’t work, then I’m going full Sam Bennett mode with the bald head and the beard regardless of how bizarre my head shape may be.

>>18469349
baldbeard is gay as hell, it only gets praised by other baldbeard men and occasionally the worst kind of white women named Kaieyghleiygh, and more importantly it looks like shit.
Lose your hair with dignity. Buzz at a 3, 1 on sides. No beards, no hats.

>>18469366
yeah honestly its a pretty gay look.

>>18469366
No way, jose. I’ll be beardcoping and hatcoping and gymcoping. You could say I will be copemaxxing. This is my future if the fin fails me.

>>18464763
The difference is Dad has a wife and family and he's a gay bottom

>>18469349
The shedding is literally it working. Its very important that you stay the course and don't quit thinking this is some freak reaction

>>18469141
There is luck involved but you won't be going bald without having the genetic predisposition. That being said you would be hard pressed to find a genetic line without a balding man somewhere in it, at least in white people in 2025

Not really balding related (although I am a NW2), what should I use on my hair to stop is poofing out so much? I don't trust youtube because most people are sponsored by slop products and people on reddit are braindead retards.

>>18469719
conditioner

>>18469762
I use that it's still a little poofy, i avoid towel drying it too. :(

>>18469719
What type hair do you have?
Thick? Straight? Wavy? Curly?
Is it dry and frizzy or normal moisture? Maybe too wet?

You could end your balding "journey" tomorrow by becoming a wigKING.

>>18463466 (OP)
shame taking the shavepill has become forced, depending on your look and personality a norwood is more fitting, imagine if george costanza was just bald, it would have been ill-fitting

>>18469895
yeah idk why full bald gets pushed so hard from everyone

>>18469913
It's all men with hair trying to permanently get men out of the gene pool.

>>18469924
nah everyone genuinely believes going for the buzz looks better when youre severely balding but it's usually not true for the average person

>>18469888
The final cope

>>18469888
>>18470013
Ngl I'm considering it

>>18470057
it's a lot of work and you'll be forced to keep adjusting and checking yourself in the mirror, the cognitive load isn't worth it, grow your own hair

>>18470066
Aren't they glued on with strong glue? Just reattach it every few days

>>18469814
Pretty identical to Johnny Depp's hair I'd say.
With only conditioner, it's pretty dry and bits of it are frizzy.

>>18463466 (OP)
Why are zoomers the most rapidly aging/balding generation?

>>18470287
i doubt they actually are. they just have a larger presence on social media like tiktok so you can more easily find a million balding zoomers than a million balding millennials.

>>18470287
go look at college and highschool yearbooks from 50 years ago and understand that you are entirely full of shit

I got on fin like a month ago ahead of any serious thinning or hairline recession, but last night had a dream that I had developed a gargantuan bald spot without noticing

>only 23
am I really going to have to take a pill and scrub this foam shit into my hair every day for the rest of my life

>>18470741
you could just take oral drops of the liquid in your mouth instead, more convenient, but yes

annual costs for hair meds cost far less than even a minimal skincare routine, or even makeup

>be 28
>book hair transplant with surgeon who's next availability is next year
>transplant takes at least a year to fully grow in

Is it worth getting a transplant when I wont be able to reap the results till I'm 30? it feels like the ship has sailed at that point.

>>18470770
30 is the new 20

>>18470770
seems a bit arbitrary to divide your life based on a timeframe of 2 years. its a short tine and realistically youre almost the exact same in 2027 as you are in 2025.

>>18470799
>>18470809
the hoes will say
>ew he's 30
though

>>18470811
only if they find u unattractive

>>18470741
>wtf i have to eat food and drink water daily for the rest of my life and im only 23, i should just kys

i dont even care about balding anymore. now my number 1 enemy is white hairs. they just keep popping up. i pluck them every now and then but man, there are so many on my crown, and theyre very hard to pluck out. i wish i had someone to do it for me. no one does it around here for money. not even really niche asian beauty parlors will do it. oh well. ill just have to pluck them somehow.

>>18470867
do you ever bother to read whether something is good or bad before actually doing it?

>>18470884
yes?

>>18470867
I'm looking forward to grey hair

>>18470867
i'm the opposite

Is it a sign that it's working if I've gained a lot of weight since starting finasteride? I made no diet changes. It's all in my belly

>>18470867
I wish I had it naturally ngl.

>>18471255
studies show dutasteride increases body fat
not with finasteride though

>>18468112
with meds you will probably regrow some of your temples since there's a lot of thinned out hair there

>>18471255
I'd started a cut right after starting fin and have lost about 4-5kg in the past 2 months

>>18471255
thats not how gaining weight works

>>18468112
One finasteride tablet daily.
Apply minoxidil foam or liquid (the liquid is itchy) every morning and every night.
Use ketoconazole shampoo once a week.
Derma roll over the affected area once a week.

This will help you slow the receding down and potentially (very likely if you derma roll) regrow hair.

>>18467937
Morning while I'm preparing breakfast. Then I can forget about it the rest of the day.
>>18469888
Is this the male equivalent of being a 3/10 woman with tons of makeup?

>>18471318
Derma rolls are a scam. They don’t even penetrate the skin. You need to go to a clinic for them to use a derma pen that leaves your skin bleeding with pinholes.

How much time should I give 0.25mg fin + 2x minox a day on temples before I switch to 0.5mg dut?
My next step after that would be trying Pyri or trying oral minox again with Modafinil
I mean I'm an average NW2 maybe not even a full one and I've only been on fin for 2 months and I'd honestly be happy if the thinning part of my hairline thickens which would put me in NW1.5 area
No sides of any kind on fin btw except less frequent morning woods which seems to be ubiqitous

>>18471318
the liquid isn't itchy

>>18463466 (OP)
Now I understand why zoomer boys have these stupid haircuts lol

Got a hair transplant a year ago at 29. Best thing I ever did. Gone are the days of having to always wear a cap outside and strategically combing my hair inside. Will probably get another one in the future to really achieve the density I want, but other than that I can't complain much.

>>18471360
at only .25mg maybe never. those graphs comparing dosages do not reflect real world results in my opinion regardless of what people say. too many complaints about finasteride not working and finding out the person is straying from the approved dosage

>>18471400
sounds based anon. Have people started treating you any differently since you got it done?

After how many months is it safe to say you're getting no regrowth with fin?
Probably just hold out for PP405.

>>18471487
Probably between 8 months to a year.

>>18471489
Still got a little while then. Here's hoping.

>>18463540
skullet = SOVL
bald = söy reddit bbc cuck

>>18463565
so what'd they say anon

Do you guys think realistically pp405 is going to replace either finasteride or minoxidil?

>>18471617
for richfags it will replace finasteride since it basically seems to reset your follicles to a pre-raped state so a dht inhibitor isnt necessary if you take the pp405 consistently. but since it will most likely cost a shit ton, most poorfags will only take it for a short while go reset their follicles one time and then maintain with fin/dut.

i dont think it will replace minoxidil, minoxidil promotes hair growth even in people whonhave zero balding as it has a different mechanism that pp405 doesnt cover.

in a decade, men will be sporting luscious locks even in their 40s and 50s
that is if pp becomes commercially available
even people who can't afford it will save up and then maintain with fin or dut

>>18471617
We don't know enough yet it's way too early in terms of clinical trials. It could lose efficacy after 6 months for all we know. The response rate was only 31% as well which is similar or lower than minoxidil although the timeframe for results is 1/3rd the time of minoxidil on average. Wait for the phase 3 trials and it might answer more of our questions.

>>18470811
>Letting imaginary conversations by 'hoes' dictate your life
Honestly just end your life

>>18470287
It used to be NW4+ or any vertex was balding, now anything past NW0 is just shave it bro

>>18470799
Is this cope or real?
>t. 27

>>18471840
you are 27 you retarded nigger. you dont need to ask "chat is this real" like a 15yo kid grown up by twitch. you have life experience and the ability to observe for yourself.

>>18471466
Yes, I’m finally allowed outside with the people, gone are the days of getting hissed at and spat on. Women used to throw rocks at me and now they let me throw my rock in them (if you catch my drift) my landlord was coming to throw me out for “harassing” the tenets even though I never left my room and once he saw my new hairline he offered me a job with free rent if I watch the place. Now I’ve got a nice job and free place. He’s even giving me a recommendation to his big wig finance executive brother for a junior partnership. And the women can’t keep their hands off me, I keep getting “maintenance calls” to all the babes in the building I can’t even imagine how good I’d do if I really tried at bars/clubs. Met a group of great guy bros that adopted me and take me out all the time and genuinely have my back, they call me “Mane Event” bc of my locks. My own parents started speaking to me again and are coming down for my birthday for the first time since I started norwooding at 21. The state is going to let me see my kids again for the first time in years. Even my ex and their mom is blowing my phone up to take her back. I just wish I’d done it sooner!

>>18471840
It's true, 20 is the new 16

>>18471847
Chat is this real

>>18463509
10 years on Dut, i even take it with piperine, curcumin, berberine and milk thistle. Nothing still libido through the roof, i wish i had less honestly. the libido loss is a nocebo i went through this phase, was all in my head in the end.

Am I going bald and what hairstyles can I do with this hair type/hairline?

I'm 23 btw

>>18471971
Go back to Somalia. Seriously, leave. Nobody wants you in the west.

>>18471840
yeah

>>18471971
>that hairline
>23
grim

>>18469888

>>18471971
Mohawk.
Or, because you're black, just buzz it. It's the default solution for you guys anyway and it just werks.

>>18472122
Incredibly pathetic

2nd month of dut, upped from 0.5 to 1mg around a week ago

No sides but still no growth that I can tell of

Getting oral minoxidil soon

Am I savable?

>>18472154
Yeah that's nothing

>fin gives me brain fog
>balding at 25
its over

>>18472177
How long does it take for brain fog to go away when you quit taking fin?

And I guess just try oral minoxidil, ketoconazole shampoo, maybe microneedling, until better treatments came out like maybe pp405.

>>18472122
it's amazing how much difference hair makes
>>18472154
it takes months to see results because of hairy growth cycle

>>18472154
Upping fin/dut dose never led to regrowth for me. Just increased sides. Microneedling + min is the only shit that works for me. Even min on its own doesn't do shit. I'm a diffuse thinner so maybe that's why.

>>18472363
do you microneedle your entire scalp with a dermapen?

>>18472404
Yes, I use a Dr Pen. It's a tedious process but you really only have to do it once every 7-14 days.

>>18470249
>>18470066
>>18470057
it's less work (once you get used to it in a few months) than shaving your balding head every 2-3 days if you're going for the shaved look

people easily get away with full reapplications every 2 weeks and hairline reapplications every 4-5 days which take 5 minutes

>>18472181
a day or two

>>18472363
5ar blockers can take a long time for regrowth to be visible, upwards of a year or more. topical min is hit or miss and unless you are seeing massive gains within 3 months then you are probably better off without it and going the oral route

>>18472363
do you micro needle and then use min right after?

HOW LONG UNTIL I STOP SHEDDING?

>>18472802
probably about a month, you might see another shed at around the 6-7 month mark too

>>18472813
So 2,5 months in, or should I have seen the shedding stop 0,5 months ago?

The fin doing a lil sum. Now if the min works that would be great.

>>18472882
What's it doing for you? What dosage? How long?
I'm 1,5 months in and shedding still.

>>18471428
eh I don't believe hearsay/anecdotal evidence

>>18471849
is this a pasta

>>18472946
then i guess im wrong and you just arent responding fin lol

>>18472946
people taking these tiny ass microdoses are hoping that pharmacokinetics is the same for every person, the DHT suppression is already low enough taking the full dose everyday, why would you make it worse

balding at norwood 3 with a diffuse recession pattern while being on meds is an emotional rollercoaster for sure. every time i look in the mirror i feel different. sometimes i think "actually it doesnt look that bad, at other times "its over", then i look at my hairline and think "wow im starting to regrow something, look at those tiny hairs", the next moment its "oh fuck am i losing ground".
maybe i should just get a buzzcut for the time being.

Im getting worseeeee, 1,5 months into finasteride, idk what to do

>>18473503
it takes time nigga

>>18473548
How long?

>>18473104
what meds you're on?

>>18473553
SSRIs

>>18473553
1mg fin + oral min around 2.5mg per day (i drink the liquid sue me).

Someone post pics for the next OP or something

>>18473551
i saw my first results from fin at 5 months

>>18473568
try this

>>18473566
i've heard that type 1 5ar enzymes are more in the front where the norwood 3 area is fin doesn't block type 1

>>18473573
How long were you getting worse for? I'm still shedding. Stepped out of the shower today and looked so stupid. I have two strong patches of hair at the front, the rest is weak and thin. I look stupid...

>>18473583
i noticed less hair falling out in the shower about 10 days maybe 2 weeks in. i don't think i ever really went through a noticeable shed.
if it's that bad, you could shave it off for a while before trying to grow it back out in like 6 months, seeing how much better it got. if you stop fin or it doesn't work you're gonna have to shave it anyway.

>>18473581
hmm, ill give that a shot then. wonder if i could just keep taking fin daily and use dut once or twice a week to save money since its kinda expensive here. but then maybe thats too little.

we're gonna get bumped off the board hop in

>>18473595
>>18473595

>>18473593
just giving you useful info, i think drinking topical min is more dangerous than taking dut, i don't know, you do your own research and make your own decisions.

dut once a week isn't too little, there are people who do this with fin daily.