/btg/ BOOT GENERAL - COLLECTION EDITION

What do I need to care for my boots?
>Old cotton t shirt (one for cleaning, another for applying conditioners)
>Horsehair brush ($10-15)
>Wooden shoe trees ($10-15)
>Light conditioner like Lexol/Bck4/renovateur
>Heavy conditioner (if you live in terrible snow/rain areas) Sno seal/Obernauf LP
>Don't forget that boots need time to dry properly, rotate them and rest them

How do I deal with x stain?
>mud: allow it to dry then brush off
>salt: water and cloth as soon as possible
>saturated wet: allow the boot to dry for a full day, stuff with newspaper
>scuffs and scratches: buff vigorously with horsehair brush

>Should I buy turdsdays/soloshits/doc shitans?
No they are filled with synthetic materials aimed at instant comfort but will not hold up to actual use.
>b-b-but muh ecelebs on youtube said they're good
no. you will waste your time and money and still have uncomfortable footwear at the end of the day. spend the extra $100 and get something real.
>Are Thursdays any good?
no.

Manufacturer Red Flags
>Luxury
>Bespoke
>Sustainable
>Vegan
>Unknown leather source
>Made in Chyna/Mexico/Indonesia

Boot Red Flags
>Dainite (Get vibram v-bar instead)
>C*rk/C*lastic
>Zippers
>Non gusseted tongues
>Excessive/unnecessary seams
>Combination/mixed material heels

Boot Brands NO
>Turdsdays
>Doc Shitters/Soloshitters
>any Whatsapp makers in the far east

PREV>>18457205

What boots are you going to wear in the apocalyptic wasteland Trump voters are about to create? I choose these Matterhorn Mining boots. They're both functional and aesthetic.

My Saphir came in. Smells pretty good and I used a small amount that was covering the inside of the lid, which was enough for both boots.

>>18467542
yeah don't go overboard with the reno

I bought a pair of Red Wing boots that were downright painful because I fell for the whole "they will stretch" bullshit they told me at the store.
Took them back at the store to get stretched three times and while they have gotten better , they still hurt when wearing, according to the store they cannot be stretched further.
Do I keep trying or do I just accept that I've been had and eat my losses?
Mind , these were shoes that were so tight I couldn't even make proper steps when I first wore them.

>>18468000
>Mind , these were shoes that were so tight I couldn't even make proper steps when I first wore them.
why didn't you size up?

>>18467424
i think my redwing 3622 will last me until i die from thyroid cancer

>>18468003
Because the guy launched into a ten minute diatribe of how they will magically stretch when I asked for a bigger size, and me having no clue of boots at all chose to believe it. I thought if I pay this much for a shoe, they will surely know what they are doing and not risk selling em shoes that don't fit. Ha.

>>18468000
>Mind , these were shoes that were so tight I couldn't even make proper steps when I first wore them
>>18468005
so you're just a little bitch

>>18468005
if its any consolation, you could probably sell them at close to full price

>>18467542
I miss when the welt on my brass boots looked that pristine. It's such a handsome boot and leather combo. The more I think of it the closer I get to copping another pair in a different leather.

I want duck boots but these ll bean ones are crappy

>>18468000
the problem is the half size down and boots will stretch memes have gotten mixed up in bootspace

>>18468000
>>18468005
Really just give up. Life is too short to be dealing with painful footwear. Best is to take this as a lesson with tuition fee, buy a Brannock device and learn your actual size, then use that to inform your future choices.

Salesmen tend to size you down because it's a circlejerk of customers thinking that they need to size down, and salesmen want to make the sale rather than go against you. Some of these salesmen actually believe it though, so you get the diatribe that you encountered.

Just be glad that you're not one of those people with 10+ boots all the wrong size but refuse to admit that they've sized wrong because they're in too deep.

>>18468257
>buy a Brannock device
branock shill fuck off

>>18468259
Did a Brannock device hurt you or something? There are alternative foot measuring devices but given that Brannock is so widely used the advice around sizing up or down for a particular boot or shoe last is relative to Brannock.

If you don't want to buy one, then you can use one in store, but I think it's useful to own one because you can use it at your own convenience whenever you want, and with different socks, rather than going to a store every time.

Brannock devices are also cheap compared to the loss made on getting your size wrong.

>>18467424
Yea I bet you like minors

>>18468000
You can sell those on ebay. Maybe recoup half the sticker price.

>>18468271
Don't need the device to accurately measure feet. Piece of paper against the wall is good enough for length. For width just step on a ruler. All of the brannock measurement tables are available online so you can compare against those if you really want to know your brannock sizing.

>>18468336
Sure, whatever works for you. Just measure yourself properly.

>>18468186
>>18468257
Yeah, they actually measured my feet with a Brannock and went down half a size from that.
Well, it is half a size too small as intended, only lengthwise as well, which means I can't feel my toes if I walk in them for a few hours and of course that part doesn't stretch.
>Some of these salesmen actually believe it though
The guy talked about the shoes potentially ending up a bit too large as if it was the worst thing that could possible happen, so that was probably the case.Which is utterly retarded, you can fix shoes that are just a tiny little bit too big , but just a tiny little bit too small will still wreck your feet.

>Best is to take this as a lesson with tuition fee
Yep, thats what this is unfortunately. And to also take the time to rtesearch boot brands, sizing, lasts boot types etc. before spending this much money again. And no more Red Wings, everythigng would be fine if the cunt would have brought me another pair to try on like any normal shoe store instead of pretending to know shit he obviously doesn't.
>>18468335
Thats what I will do, thanks.

>>18468625
>Yeah, they actually measured my feet with a Brannock and went down half a size from that.
All numbers from a Brannock measurement should be used to guide your decision for a particular last, but it sounds like this salesman just took a number and gave a generic recommendation.

Too often people only look at the larger number of the heel-to-toe and heel-to-ball, and disregard everything else including the width. Then they try a last that doesn't fit their width, and still size up or down as if it did fit their width, when in reality they may need to go further up or down.

For example, people with an EE width foot can wear a Viberg 2030 in the standard E width, but typically take half a size larger than someone with an E width foot, and do so with the knowledge that other parts such as arch support may be compromised a bit for the sake of having more width at the ball. Someone with a large disparity between their heel-to-ball and heel-to-toe may even need to size even more differently.

All measurements should be considered, rather than watering them down into a single number. For example, if your heel-to-ball is longer than your heel-to-toe, then a boot may fit your length perfectly but have worse arch support than a boot that's a larger size.

Boots and shoes should never be uncomfortable in store, because it will only get worse over regular wear. However, unfortunately a boot or shoe may be comfortable in store, but after several hours of walking, turn out to be uncomfortable.

>>18468653
thanks for the explanation.
>but it sounds like this salesman just took a number and gave a generic recommendation.
I actually went to their flagship store , trusting that I would get a good consultation considering the price tag.
What I didn't expect was that I would have to actively pick a fight with the salesman and assert myself without having a clue of boots.
What I didn't know is tha apparently a bunc hof their customers are into that shit, as the yguy tried to sell me my foot pain as some kind of gay rite of passage to prove how manly I am. Apparently boot salesmen are utter dogshit and should never be listened to, I never had anything like that happen even when buying in dirty cheap outlets.
Anyhow, what are godo alternatives to Red Wing Beckmans? I like the look, but obviously I'm never buying anything from them again.

>>18468835
>I actually went to their flagship store , trusting that I would get a good consultation considering the price tag.
>What I didn't expect was that I would have to actively pick a fight with the salesman and assert myself without having a clue of boots.
You have a very reasonable expectation, but as you've experienced very early, it's not going to be met.

I shop luxury and MTO/bespoke often and you'd be surprised how many salesmen don't really know what they're talking about, even at that level. Most of them aren't like that on purpose, though some are purposefully standoffish (Edward Green is notorious for this), which some people like.

However things still just work out because most of the clientele for that price bracket know exactly what they want and know exactly what they're talking about, and are used to asserting themselves in general life and business.

Sometimes you come across a salesman with an excellent eye to detail and really knows their stuff. When that happens customers tend to request that person's sales service in particular. But otherwise, you must keep in mind that retail staff in general are not renowned for critical thinking or off-piste discussion that isn't in their training.

>Anyhow, what are godo alternatives to Red Wing Beckmans?
What's your price range?

>>18468861
>I shop luxury and MTO/bespoke often and you'd be surprised how many salesmen don't really know what they're talking about
Really surprised at that, I thought high end sellers would try to make sure to have knowledgeabale people...well, good to know that its really not me who is in the wrong here. I mostly stuck with those shoes for so long because I still assumed taht the sales guy must at least be somewhat right.

>What's your price range?
300-450€ , it depends a bit on how much I can sell those shoes for.

>>18468947
Chink Rock

>>18468947
its more like people either exude the air of a predator or a prey and you came off as the latter

>tfw I want a pair of nice boots but every single picture of the boots I look up is a guy in cuffed short skin tight skinny jeans that looks fucking horrible
give it to me straight are leather boots millennial shit or is there a reason nobody seems to be able to take a picture in boots with normal relaxed pants

>>18469921
are you a man?

>>18469922
yea

>>18469925
Forge your own path
Caring about opinions is woman behavior

>>18469921
>looking at the man instead of boot
[confirmed for gay]

>>18469925
you'll do fine in boots then

What are some good summer boots? Just desert boots?

>>18470481
>What are some good summer boots?
boots.

>>18470481
chukkas of course

in suede of course
(I've yet to see non-suede chukkas that look good [enlighten me if you can])

>>18470481
handsewns

>>18470540
holy shit that's terrible

>>18470542
you wouldn't get it

>>18470543
well I'm not a faggot so I wouldn't

well yeah noboots faggot

the leather laces are the only option for the grey kudu

Are these soles that Solovair, Loake, DM uses considered good? Where can I get some boots with these soles that are better quality than these brands?

>>18470576
>plastic
this is a high density rubber family

anyone have the camion boot? im thinking of buying a pair how is the durabilty of them

>>18470604
leather looks bad

I got some black RW's and I've been wearing the heck out of them. What other pair should I get so that I can rotate.

>>18470619
White's

Why do new boots look like such shit? How am I supposed to buy my first pair of boots knowing I have to wear this shiny goofy looking shoe until it wears in

>>18470893
>shiny leather is le bad

go barefoot then pansy faggot

>>18470893
find pictures online

>>18470893
Look into other leathers then, guy. There are plenty of non-shiny options.

I bought some shite boots 4 years ago and I have never cared for them once. They are scuffed and worn all over. Where do I start with restoring them?

>>18471012
sapphir renovateur
coloured cream
wax

or buy new ones since 4 years with no care is a lot
that said it mostly depends on their current condition

>>18471012
clean them first before conditioning

>>18470576
check out the soles on Kleman shoes and boots

>>18470576
The Goral Sharman too I guess

>>18470576
I don't know why but I personally never trust translucent soles

Are derby shoes without calf leather haram? Because these look nice
>https://eu.crockettandjones.com/collections/sale-all/products/cornell-coffee-hurricane-hide
But shoes with a lot of heavy creases looks like shit.

I'm getting my first pair of boots and spending ~200 should I get a used pair of RedWing Beckman/Blacksmiths or Blundstones?

>>18471237
red wings

>>18471237
Save up your weekly allowance for another month and buy new red wings instead

>>18471555
at that point I'll just save up for White's

Would it be crazy to buy a pair of Iron Ranger in Amber Harness to use here in Scandinavia during winter? Will I die? Just want a pair of boots that I don't have to care about and that will just look nicer the more use it gets. Obviously there is a lot of snow and especially salt here during winter.

Also is the Iron Ranger in half a size down from brannock big enough to fit two pair of socks(thin liner and midweight wool socks)?

>>18471637
>Also is the Iron Ranger in half a size down from brannock big enough to fit two pair of socks(thin liner and midweight wool socks)?
yeah totally
and don't bother looking at the fourth post in this thread

>>18467407 (OP)
I wanted a pair of astorflex Bitflex boots in black to dress up or down but they’re sold out everywhere, will they ever be restocked?

And if not, what about Clark’s? I’ve heard they’re decent for the price, but that’s their desert boots. Any info on their Chelsea’s?

>>18471678
I've read that a lot of red wing employees basically advice people to get the smallest size you can get without your toes hitting the front of the boots though. So basically find the size where your toes hit the front and then go up half a size. That is probably like at least a full size down from brannock, not the regular half side down from brannock.

>>18467424
>>18470481
for me? It's freestyle Recce boots from South Africa. These fuckers have held up flawlessly for thousands of miles of walking in the Mojave desert and even more than that on my street bike. The leather is still in great shape, the only wear they've suffered is in the sole.

>>18471859
>oversized potato last
>facings that touch
a tale as old as time

>>18471861
>oversized potato last

>So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. Matthew 20:16

the last refers to the template the uppers are shaped upon christschizo

>>18471894
I know, I was just being goofy. I like the wide toe box, they aren't oversized potatoes. They are closer to the natural shape of human feet, unlike pointy boots that push your toes together

>>18471901
the fact that the open facings are touching indicate otherwise

>>18468000
>Do I keep trying or do I just accept that I've been had and eat my losses?
Return them if you're not past the return date. Otherwise, just sell them while they're in decent condition.

>these were shoes that were so tight I couldn't even make proper steps when I first wore them.
You're a moron.

>>18471555
Retarded advice.

Because it's his first pair, he probably doesn't know what he likes yet. No point in spending the premium for a new pair when he's probably going to be let down by some overhyped brand. It's better to get a used pair from thousands of suckers who bought boots RW like >>18468000 and save some money for when he's ready for his first big boys' boot.

>>18471637
>Just want a pair of boots that I don't have to care about
You have to care for your boots at some point if you want them to last. Just wearing them day in, day out in shit conditions will wear them out fast. This is especially the case for fashion boots like IRs.

>>18472008
I've had a couple of Solovairs resoled, one pair with a hot knife and the other with glue. Say what you will about them, but if there's a competent cobbler near you, Solovairs are a great choice if you need a cheap beater.

new last and welted 618 boots from parkhurst this thursday
if it's anything like the test pairs it's a bulkier more casual last

>>18472721
Annoyed that they're made in Europe but not sold in Europe.

Which White's model is your favorite?

>>18472917
Bounty Hunter with the PCT

>>18472917
semi dress of course, in cordovan

>>18468179
What's wrong with LL Bean?

>>18472917
That one.

>>18473401
The leather

>>18473426
Aren't they like $80? They are for wearing camping and shit, not a lifelong every day boot.

Any other company like Grant Stone offering different leathers, wide sizing, and using Goodyear welts but for shoes? I'm not a fan of the regular dress shoe options from GS but love the crimson kudu brass boots I got from them.

>>18473507
carmina

>>18473585
Carnina herself should at least give me a handy for some of those prices
But they definitely have the variety and especially the sizing options. I hate having short and wide feet

>>18468865

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QzP1y6PJvY

>>18469192
you posted this as a bait imagine because you assumed you'd get (you)s and you got none
what were you hoping to achieve? is it because she's a woman?

>>18472917
the MP. i own two pairs

>>18473848
i thought she was hot

>>18472917
MP, but the more I look at the Stevens plain toe the more I like them.

>>18470481
Any full leather construction because your feet won't stink.

>>18472917
Perry Select

Sup my shoe niggas, I wanna hear some opinions on what I should do with some shoes I have that have had their soles come off, should I put something between the sole and the shoe before I glue it back like cork or leather or just leave it?

ID On These Boots?

>>18474057
it's a total mystery

>>18473677
wow that looks garbage

>>18467407 (OP)
Edward Green Galways are finally here. Biggest pain in the ass to clear through customs but they are nice and fit well. They will probably become my daily boots.

>>18474146
that's suede? and green one?
what are you gonna wear them with?

>>18474155
It's waxed suede, phone and lighting aren't the best but it's a dark charcoal color. It'll fit with most of my wardrobe except my lighter linen pants. I've got navy, blue, black, charcoal, and lighter gray trousers that should all work pretty well with them.

>>18474161
>>18474155
I am so retarded I misread the post hard
(totally didn't read the capitalized green as the colour)
they look good

>>18474146
very nice, is this MTO or in stock? 72 last? Do you have the dark brown waxed suede for comparison?

>>18474201
It's a stock build but I guess it's a seasonal thing. I have not seen it online anywhere. I went to the store while on vacation in the UK and it was on the shelf. I had to get a width up, but they didn't charge the MTO fee since I wasn't changing anything on it. It's the 64 last, and unfortunately I don't have any other Edward Green to compare against.

>>18474146
please assume the position

how are we feeling on the porkhurst 645?
I kinda like it but andrew needs to go back to the red welts

>>18472917
350 Cruiser, but with a single row of stitching. I've got smaller feet so the shelf is way too wide if they don't have a v100 sole

>>18474207
might pick it up if it pops up again, i like this color of waxed suede.

>>18472957
>o

>>18468835
Bro just take them back to the store abd complain they gave you one size too small. Also your feet should stretch the shoes since the stretching machine pr whatever they use won’t be the same shape as you feet

Is it time for us all to admit that black boots are superior to brown boots in every way? And fence sitters can simply go with black teacore.

>>18474429
>wearing brown boots until the leather is starting to dry out and crack
>grease them up and brush them
>their rich color is restored
black boots have nothing on this feeling

>>18472917
Got the MP but the last just doesn’t do it for me, too narrow and wide. Probably going to make the heel narrower to E when I rebuild it and leave the rest as EE. I like my Semi Dress - fits better

>>18474656
Too narrow and long*

>>18474057
Jim Green African Raper

>>18474057

I just dropped stupid money on RW Beckman's but at least they look good. Are shoe trees necessary?
And what's the consensus on breaking them in, the upper is perfect but the collar is cutting into my calves. Do I just wear them around the house?

>>18475302
>And what's the consensus on breaking them in
two hours inside the house the first day
four the next day etc
> the collar is cutting into my calves
had the same issue with mine when breaking in but it does go away. make sure to lace the shaft snugly

>>18475302
>but at least they look good
old ones were much better

This is normal creasing on my Red Wings right? I just got these this past week and I’ve been wearing them in slowly, and the creasing on my left is much more pronounced than my right. I’m pretty sure it’s not loose grain or whatever because I’ve read that’s rare. Also, because it’s probably relevant, my left foot is larger than my right by about a half size. Besides that there’s no other creasing anywhere on my boot, just wanted to make sure this pair is copacetic.

>>18475498
creasing seems too far forward

>>18475498
thats leather for ya

>>18475498
you just got unlucky, although its what i would expect for red wings.

>>18475498
I just got out of a Red Wing shop looking at factory second Beckman's, their representative said it's characteristic of the skin of the animal stretching at it's joints. But your case might be different, maybe the direction of the grain that causes uneven wear.

>>18475498
you lost the CXL lottery. Try again with your next pair.

>>18475597
>not made of CXL

Anyone own RM Williams?
I have never owned a pair of chelsea boots and I think it's finally time I get one, to spice things up
That Rose Anshill guy hates them because they won't pay him so that makes me think they're probably amazing

>>18475498
roll of the dice. you just got unlucky
my aldens are similar but not that bad on one boot

>>18475567
>>18475573
>>18475597
>>18475607
Same anon, I was phone posting. Anyways, it's just cosmetic right? Shouldn't be a problem structurally or anything?

>>18475665
yeah, it's just ugly creasing. you win some, you lose some.
uninformed people (especially on r*ddit) love to say "hurr durr it's lose grain!" but they don't actually understand what lose grain is, they're just parroting what they read other uninformed people say
loose grain is when the leather is de-laminating and separating. that is bad. you can feel it if you rub the leather together. it's often accompanied by really bad ugly creasing, hence uninformed retards assuming bad creasing is always loose grain
but no, creasing is just creasing. all leather, no matter how cheap or expensive, how fancy and nice or how crappy, will crease. it's how leather works. (cordovan does not crease, it rolls, but those "rolls" are still creases, just super tiny micro ones so it appears like it's not creases)
just wear and enjoy your boots, anon. no one will ever notice or care but you, and the more broken in and worn they get, the less you'll notice and you won't care

>>18475665
>Anyways, it's just cosmetic right
yes

though to be fair, i had a classmate with some allen edmonds higgens boots and the creasing was so bad and ugly on them, i noticed. but i'm a boot autist who know all sorts of meaningless nonsense about leather. the average normie will not though

>>18475665
you should put a bit of conditioning on the boots if you haven't already. who knows how long that leather has been in storage.

and make sure to brush any dirt out of the creases when you get home.

>>18475597
That's not CXL.

>>18475665
It's fine, just ugly. It's what happens when makers don't care about only using the good part of the hide so they end up using the shitty parts where the grain fibers are loose.

>>18475604
It's become trendy to shit on them in the past couple of years. I think it's generally unfair.

I would not say that they are good value. But if you want a comfy good looking chelsea boot they are good imo.

I have a lot of comfort craftsmans and craftsmans and find them comfy in the office and around town.

Sizing aint easy. They will soften a touch but won't really stretch they the fit around the heel, instep, ball and toes should be ok from the start. As the leather eases it gets easier to take off and put on.

I sized up a bit so the instep felt comfy and wear with thick merino wool socks.

Comfort craftsman (poron in sole, rubber outer sole, leather upper) are definitely more comfortable than craftsman (full leather)

>>18475604
I did, had the comfort craftsmen in chestnut. If you have feet over E width they won't work, and if you're approaching the upper part of an E width they're going to be tight. The last is also very long, to give it that sleek look. I honestly wasn't a fan of how long the shoe was. QC was good, if I had to nit-pick the final stitching around the goring wasn't great, but they did it on the inner side of the boots and pants covered it.

>>18471237
Red wings, you can sell them on in case you don't like them or get the sizing wrong. Measure your feet and look for the Japanese size.

>>18467542
What are those boots, they look nice

>>18475907
nta but looks like the grant stone brass boot

>>18475907
Grant Stone Brass Boots in Crimson Kudu

>>18475604
yes a pair of the gardeners would recommend

>>18472746
why should I ever wear laced again?

I have an extremely high instep and arches. When I did the laser scan thing the salesperson said I had the highest arches they've ever seen
What are my options for boots? I often get foot pain after a couple hours in footwear because the boots are tight against my instep

>>18476090
W H I T E S

>>18476091
Specific lasts to look into?

>>18476093
i'd start with the 4811 it has a lot of vertical volume but a snug fitting waist and heel

>>18476095
Half or full down from Brannock?
Width the same as Brannock?

>>18476123
I'd start with half size down and start with the same width

>>18468865
>tfw own 2 Mr Lous, have a 3rd pair on order, and have picrel Boss boots arriving tomorrow.

Don't fall for the adult slip on meme anons. Its a deep and expensive rabbit hole

>>18476207
thank fuck i stopped at 2

>>18468179
Baffling that americans actually wear these monstrosities. If you wore this in Europe people would legitimately think you are mentally handicapped. Just get wellingtons for the rain.

>>18476221
They're just rain boots you faggot yuropoor

Does anyone know if there are any good Blundstone alternatives? I like the look of Blundstones but they’re cheap Australian garbage.

>>18476237
rm williams

>>18476209
Gj anon. The only other pair I want is the attractions x guidi pioneer boot. If S&S ever restocks Ill cop and call the collection there.

>>18476237
They're not even Australian since they're not made there

>>18476221
Yeah those look pretty weird but rubber vamp and leather shaft boots aren't that unusual in Europe

grant stone brass boot in crimson kudu is the most bought boot in the thread

>>18467407 (OP)
Can these be worn with anything other than skinny jeans/pants?

I mostly wear straight legs like Levi 501 or APC new standards but not sure if they would look weird with these

>>18476284
Regular fit trousers work fine; or even a little loose fit.

>>18475306
I've been wearing them for about 6 hours and I feel like throwing in the towel, they've gone from "unable to walk 50m to save my life" to "upper threshold of being able to walk 1km without looking like you're in pain". I'm no pussy but I don't know if I can break them in without them breaking me.

>>18475404
They look the same, just without the bulbous toe box and speed hooks which I prefer.

>>18476424
What socks

>>18475404
>white thread stained with dye
i'm glad i'm not the only one

>>18476424
>They look the same

>>18476433
Technical socks for hiking, they're padded at the collar where the pain sets in. I got sized by RW, everything else feels comfy.

>>18476247
I really like these. They would be perfect for my city’s winters. Thanks for posting, anon.

I bought a pair of derby shoes online and the leather on the left shoe creases into the bend of my toes in a way that is uncomfortable. Is this something that softens with time or should a leather shoe be mostly comfortable out of the box?

How does RedWing still not sell the Beckman flatbox 9060 in the US and they still only sell the terrible reissue that nobody likes? What is the reasoning?

>>18476504
if they sell it to filthy americans it will ruin it for the japanese who won't want it anymore because it's not special

>>18476237
I see a lot of farmers wearing red backs

>>18476284
>Can these be worn with anything other than skinny jeans/pants?
yes, they can be worn with normal pants of any kind
chelseas are very versatile and they work with anything from jeans through chinos and slacks to suit pants
that said don't get skinny/slim fits

>>18476436
>at the collar where the pain sets in.
just tie a bit less tight, no?

Great video with a lot of knowledge about leather shoes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL3vPX_KkB0

>>18476504
My guess is that they've made some sort of deal with Red Wing Japan to only sell it there which they can't go back on. Red Wing Japan basically gave birth to the Red Wing Heritage line so...

>>18476482
watch this >>18476616
the bend point of leather on a new shoe should not hurt

>>18476615
>tie a bit less tight
Then it starts to chafe which causes lesions and the like. At least there isn't any actual damage when I make sure the shaft is snug, only soreness from where the collar is.

>>18476504
Imho the collapsed toe box looks bad, especially since the Beckman is leaning heavily into a preppy look.

>>18475597
He lost the cowhide lottery.

>>18475498

Yes buy calf or embossed grain if you don't want to risk creasing like that.

uggo cuckko boots

>>18476633
More boot makers should make British ww2 style service boots than just the endless stream of boondockers.

>>18476504
whats a good alternative to this in a similar quality and price range?

>>18476933
red wing blacksmiths

>>18476436
wool socks?

>>18476615
no that's very typical rookie move: the looseness actually causes more chafing

>>18476935
alternative meaning another black boot with a faltbox toe

>>18476937
I believe they're Karrimor trekking socks.
"26% polyamide, 24% acrylic, 22% cotton, 16% polyester, 2% elastane"
>>18476933
+1 for the Blacksmiths, but try them both.

>>18476952
if specifically unstructured toe: viberg $$$

>>18476953
>"26% polyamide, 24% acrylic, 22% cotton, 16% polyester, 2% elastane

>>18476957
Reco for woollies?

>>18476958
darn tough merino is what i swear by

>>18476636
Thanks for bumping the thread

>>18476958
>>18476959
seconded
there's tall socks from them that have specific reinforcment where the laces are on taller boots

how the FUCK do you size the red wing moc toe???
if I go the same size as my IRs (half down) they're too narrow. I'm seeing lots of recommendations to go full size down and up a width
I'm just pissed because my local redwing store only carries their work boots

>>18476997
If you can get them in a wide, go same size as your IR but up in width. If the model you want doesn't come in wide, grab Whites Perry's or something.

>>18477027
Never really considered the Perrys before
The Moc Toes are just so iconic, that last in the orange leather is a classic
The Perrys look good though. Anyone know how they size compared to the MPs? The MPs fit me perfectly half size down

>>18477122
whites shelf makers limited

>>18476997
Worth noting that the 1907 comes in a different last too. I own the 1907 and it's a bit roomier in the toe box than the other moc toes. The others felt a bit tight by comparison. I'm a 11D in my brannock, 10.5 in most boots, went down to a 10D for my 1907, could have gone up to a 10.5 for a roomier fit.

anyone know what these shoes are?

>>18477172
Chukkas or some other vinyl Shein junk that's probably still off-gassing benzene, and will give you cancer

>>18476997
they're surprisingly narrow

>>18477161
the 23 last is way better looking though and has better leathers

Where can I get boots that are around 12-14 eyelets but in brown? Mind you, brown as in not red. Red boots look like clown boots.

ID on these?

What are some good brands in Europe for wide feet? I usually wear 47 (13 in US I think) but while the length is good, I can feel a lot of compression in the toe box on the sides.
I'm looking for something like Thursdays but good, and with a wider toe box than average.

>>18477172
dude they look like plastic women's shoes who cares what they are

>>18468005
>>18468000
Like denim. Don't for the "it'll stretch" meme.

They should have always fit great from the beginning. Whatever extra stretch they get from general wear is just extra comfort shaped for your foot.

I can't believe the "it'll stretch" meme even spled over friggen leather boots and footwear

>>18476209
Looks like you need a black pair

>>18477357
>I'm looking for something like Thursdays but good,
so almost everyhting but thursdays then? lol

just look through manufacturer websites most have wide options

Any thoughts about "Lanx"? They are advertising a lot on Google and they are overtaking all my searches for a pair

>>18477502
After scrolling through the webstie I don't like their stuff solely because they put these pull tabs on every single pair

>>18477528
Fabric pull tabs are great though. Never in the way, always there when you need them.

>>18477596
but they look ugly

>>18477596
no that style where it extrudes completely from the throat are the weakest style of tabs

Seriously considering a pair of boondockers. What should I get? Lofgren? Viberg? Skoob? Buzz Rickson?

Classic roughout or some kind of horsehide?

>>18477626
>>18477627
You never see them though except for when they're off your feet, and even then the're barely visible like pic related.

>>18476504
speaking of Japanese RedWings, does anyone know of similar styles to the RedWing Postman available in the US? Its an oxford/derby with no heel.

>>18477651
>oxford/derby
these are not interchangable terms
and the shoe you posted is a derby

>>18477653
the shoe is marketed as "oxford" which is why I said both. After all its japanese.

>>18477651
>with no heel
who's gonna tell him

>>18477656
You know what I meant

>>18477667
if you ask nicely i'm sure white's will build you one of their oxford models but on a single unit sole but the style is much more rugged

hey /btg/, any hope for these?
is it worth the effort to try to restore them?
they’re warped to shit, scuffed up, salt stains that have rested for a long ass time

>>18477688
picrel from 2021 where they were less beat but still needed some love

>>18477655
I don't care about marketing in general and especially when it's wrong
that's clearly a derby because the space where the eyelets are is sawn on

>>18477688
if you have nothing else and can spend some cash on a few products you could clean them, cover up scratches and unify the colour but nothing can be done about the creases

>>18477688
i'd start with a wipe down with detergent and water, not much can be done with long sitting salt

>>18477701
i do have other boots but they are moma and were a gift, i feel really bad about how poorly i’ve treated them over the years. i’ve moved a few times and they haven’t been stored very well nor cleaned beforehand so they’ve gained a lot of wear
i’ll try that thanks. anything specific you’d recommend or just the stuff in the OP?

>>18477710
saddle soap
saphir renovateur
and saphir creme pomadier (coloured cream)
and wax (could also get saphir)

the creases were mostly created due to lack of shoe trees

but first clean them softly with water and a mild cleaning solution to see how bad it is and post another pic after

>>18477717
unless you're american and can't get saphir in which case I don't know what products to suggest

>>18477717
>>18477718
i’m norwegian
i’ll clean them tomorrow and post results:)
i have some cream/conditioner thing as well i’ll find out what it is and buy the other products i need as well
definitely need trees the shape is all fucked
thanks for the advice bros

>>18477722
yeah just make sure to buy wooden shoe trees and remember to put them in as soon as you take of the shoes at home

if they weren't a gift I wouldn't tell you to care as much but if they are a gift it's worth a try to save them a bit
nice digits too

>>18477359
i like them

>>18477740
if you're rich you could get that bespoke but I assume you're not

thoughts?

>>18477787
decent but the toes curve up too much

>>18477787
don't like the commando heel

>>18477788
ill show you toe spring

>>18477651
bumping this as i would love to know what zoomer big pant looking ass derbies of some quality might be had for about 250 perhaps on the secondary market

>>18477788
That's what makes them look so good
The fuck is wrong with you nigga

>>18467407 (OP)
Corcoran black jumps ? 10”
Pre 2000’s or whatever.
Scored new pair for 20$ half size too small tho. Leather has stretched or something cuz they better now. Feet shrink for style maybe. I don’t blouse em but boot cut makes em look crunchy

>>18477791
I don't think I could even put my foot in there what the fuck who wears this shit
>>18477893
no it doesn't nigga

>>18477978
Wear your sneakers or whatever zoomer, the curve on those Parkhursts isn't even that extreme. Even timbs; a normie boot has a greater toe spring

>>18477982
I wear boots and I don't like that toe spring

simple as
maybe it'd look better on the foot but I'm going off of what I see

>>18477688
What are these. They look cool

>>18478115
Nta but they look like jodhpur-type boots, hard to recommend since they're essentially leather socks with no compression.
You're better off with chelseas.

>>18473507
Meermin, Blkbrd, Bridlen, Loake, TLB Mallorca, heaps of China options on Taobao: search the blogger Fupei

Can anyone ID these boots?

>>18476424
The old toe box was Red Wing. The new ones are generic. I want the old Beckman in black cherry.

>>18477787
Parkhurst? I love the toe.

I have a pair of surplus USMC boots by belville, but I'm not sure which it is - they make multiple different kinds and the lable is completely white from friction atp. How do I go about identifying them

>>18478667
It'll help if you posted pics

I want to get kilties for my olive waxed flesh MPs. What colour should I get and can I get recommendations for places where I can buy kilties in the UK

>>18478621
What's a good Chelsea equivalent

>>18478683
I only know Blundstone and R.M. Williams, apparently Chelsea's are synonymous with Australians.

Do all boots have lasting holes in the back and some are just better at hiding them? Or is it just the Japanese that can't build boots without putting holes in the back? Think I've only ever seen it on Japanese boots like Lofgren and Rolling Dub Trio.

>>18478683
crockett and jones

>>18478682
buy from dale and ship them. his are the only good shape

>>18478682
Some kind of black no-show kilties

>>18478751
its only on jap boots for some reason

Noob here. These are Real McCoy's "bear head" work boots. Is there a more specific term for this style/aesthetic of boots?

Thanks.

>>18467407 (OP)
motherfuckers will wear boots like this while living in the city

>>18478992
service boots

anyone know any good monocolor (black sole + leather) service boots other than Viberg? I know I can just resole any goodyear welt but im wondering if any others come styled like this

>>18479038
the problem with these black soles is that its simply a layer of paint on the surface of the leather, the paint will eventual leech out with enough water exposure and it ends up looking ugly

>>18479041
Thats fine I like it looking scuffed

>>18479043
then buy a regular non blacked out boot and apply edge dressing to the exposed leather

>>18479044
oh ok, thanks :)

>>18479038
Parkhurst used to offer an edge dye service you could pay for on their boots, not sure if they still do it. It is one of the easier things to do yourself if you find a pair that's perfect except for the edge.

>>18478919
That's unfortunate. I wanted to buy some boondockers and the nips make a lot of them.

Whats the easiest boot to buy used ie theres a ton of listings in all sizes online? The Wolverine 1000 seems to have the most listings ive seen but people say that one is terrible (not even worth $100 used?). What are some others?

>>18479059
red wing 875 / iron rangers

>>18478115
they’re Moma backzips, idk exact model
but their Old Trafford Rear Zips are similar (picrel) but have a fairly different structure so the profile is quite different
can definitely recommend the brand, if you do some googling for moma rear zips you might be able to find them

>>18479065
picrel is also moma and a really sexy boot

>>18479068
my bad they’re aston edge actually

just impulse bought these cus they were on sale, any thoughts?
i love how rugged they are for a more dressy chelsea

>>18479080
no part of that is even remotely dressy

>>18479084
finished product is definitely not dressy no, i meant more they took the beginnings of a dressy chelsea and made it something else

>>18479086
its not even a wholecut so what part of it is dressy

>>18479087
the elastic gusset and slimmer profile, especially the upper part, gives off a more formal presentation, but the way the leather has been treated and sole looks slapped on is very not-formal, i think it’s a cool juxtaposition

>>18479080
You are either black or Mexican. There's no way anyone else thinks that is dressy by any stretch of the imagination.

>>18479093
was poor wording on my part
no it’s not dressy, but it looks like they took a dressy chelsea, took the sole of, boiled it, and re-cobbled it

>>18479080
>>18479086
>>18479090
>>18479094
dude....

>>18479080
Who cares, as long as you enjoy using them

>>18479038
dying the edges is extremely easy. just get some edge polish and a cotton ball and it takes 10 seconds

>>18479038
>https://www.burgundschild.com/en/products/service-boot-1035-vachetta-lucide-horsebutt-schwarz
If you're size 8,5

>>18479034
Thank you, I was not familiar with that term.

After much deliberation I have decided that my first real pair of leather shoes will be a pair of tlb mallorca joseph derbies.

now to save up money for them...

ngl the natural welt put me off buying some new parkhurst

>>18479164
show the class

>>18479234
its on their website
the welts are super bright now. maybe brighter than grant stone. i miss the red

>>18479234
>>18479236
this is the color off all my parkurst welts (3)

>>18478642
Bump. Anyone?

>spelling mistake
over

>>18479236
>>18479237
big oof

>>18479242
yeah the reddish color just worked with everything
i understand theyre sourcing from europe for the welt now but it absolutely destroys the look of the darker browns and thats what i need
same with grant stone and the black on medium browns as of late tbhy

>>18479238
Just a generic cap toe work boot, 2030 last style:

Reverse search this for alternatives:https://viberg.com/products/service-boot-2030-black-waxed-flesh?_pos=3&_sid=015e43d24&_ss=r&variant=42107855110253

red just worked
funnily enough the right stopped fitting after like 2 years lol

>>18479245
it would look so much better too if it wasn't two toned

h-hot

>>18479247
what do you mean it stopped fitting?

>>18479400
he got fat

Anyone know why some ebay sellers have new Beckman 9060s for ~475 but people are selling used ones for 500-600+? Are the new ones a scam or are the used ones over priced for some reason?

>>18479391
Clown shoes or bowling shoes?

>>18479424
boxing

>>18479426
>"terrible teddy"
not even American but I have an urge to sing star spangled banner

>>18479237
Looks nice with all eyelets. They should drop more of those

>>18479400
pinky toe decided to move out i guess

>>18479164

>>18479236
Can’t you just condition or dye the welt?

>>18479420
>but people are selling used ones for 500-600+?
people overvalue their second hand shit all the time

>>18479522
>>18479524
I dont want to spend an extra $30 fixing a new boot tbqhwymeb

>>18479522
>>18479524
surface dyes don't have the same effect

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