/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!
Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/Balding

Reminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.

Holy trinity:
Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride
Lotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil
Shampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoconazole

Finasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.
5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.
5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.
0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.

Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.
These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.
Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.

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Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.

Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.

Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.

Previous thread: >>18463466

>>18473595 (OP)
Doesn't finasteride make your dick not work?

first for israel, our greatest ally

>>18473599
finasteride doesn't reduce testosterone at all, so why would it?

>>18473599
No not directly. If your estrogen levels were abnormally high pior to fin then you could experience an increase in estrogen as a side effect of increased test which is not being converted into DHT anymore. This pushes your hormonal balance over the edge so to speak which could cause ED. Get your blood work done if you suspect you have an imbalance prior to fin and treat your hormone issue first and foremost because with age it will only get more imbalanced and you will get gyno, ed etc.. Things like steroids and certain diets may already being inducing excessive estrogen and as such there is a chance finasteride can make this worse when added to the mix. For 99% of people this doesn't occur, you have to be pretty fucked up to get side effects like that.

The part of the holy trinity should be microneedling. I’ve never even heard of someone for whom ketoconazole works but it basically does the same thing finasteride does, but weaker. So there’s no reason to use them at the same time. Ketoconazole is worth trying before you resort to finasteride, but that’s all. Microneedling on the other hand has been shown to improve the both finasteride and minoxidil.

>>18473606
I even have a fun little anecdote about a friend.

Balding, but also visibly showing signs of high estrogen (minor gyno, depression, weight gain, ED). I was warning him about it and to get blood work at least to know for sure to treat his imbalance and then consider finasteride. He wouldn't listen to anything because he was "High t" and fin is a tranny drug with the whole song and dance included. He's bald now, has full blown gyno and is about 50 pounds overweight. Still to this day he claims to be high t and actively shills against fin.

>>18473599
No? It shrinks your prostate by 20-30%. This CAN affect your sex but doesn't have to. Also, testosterone, dopamine etc compensates, so most people don't notice a thing. If you are that unlucky guy who does have side effects, stopping finasteride returns your prostate back to its original size
Then you have the retads who talk about PFS just to get an identity "like it ruined their life" and they blame their misery from balding on finasteride just as they blamed everything on "long covid" before. Long covid is the most cringe shit I've seen. PFS likewise. There have been cases of permanent effects but so has Ibuprofen, don't let it scare you

Not only am I balding, but I also have a big forehead. At this point, I don’t know what the fuck I can do. Hair forward hides my forehead size but doesn’t work because I’m thinning and recessing while hair to the sides and back hides my thinning and recessing but doesn’t work because of my giant forehead.

>>18473599

Never had that issue on fin and oral min

>>18473607
Does microneedling actually grow hair or are you forcing topical Minoxidil to go systemic by poking holes in your scalp?

>>18473702
It’s just better absorption of minoxidil and topic finasteride.

>>18473595 (OP)
is it a good idea to drop minoxidil? both oral and topical
it's doing nothing for me
been on it for at least 3 years, it makes my body hair grow crazy (which i HATE) but doesn't do jack shit for the scalp hair
i hope pp405 becomes available soon so i can just regrow any lost hair and keep them safe with 2.5 mg dut

is 1% ketoconazole shampoo worth bothering with?

>>18473796
I've been using it for years, but I put about 10 drops of either rosemary or peppermint oil into it.

Anyone know anything about slowing/reversing grey hair?

>>18473796
Only if you have stubborn dandruff and greasy sebderm.

>>18473780
if ur on fin yeah otherwise the shed might be permanent.

I cant believe I have to get on fin, I'm scared

>>18473826
i was on 0.5 mg dut for 2 months and currently on 2.5 mg dut (for the past 6 months)

>>18473796
my dandruff must be severe because i have been using 2% keto once every week and still have a scalp full of dandruff
so i guess it depends on how bad your dandruff is

>>18473780
>>18473826
>>18473873
also wanted to add that i think it's making my face puffy, especially the under-eye area

>one month of using the costco topical minoxidil foam on my hairline
>0 changes
it's over for me isn't it

>>18473914
That stuff is mostly a really expensive hair mousse. It works, but it requires you to use it properly. Most people use it completely wrong. You’re supposed to sweat, scalp cleanse, then use it. The liquid is better for that especially at night. The foam has the issue of caking up and clogging pores and causing breakouts. You need a good balance of cleaning your scalp and using it.

I recommend derma stamps (not rolls) at a clinic then applying the liquid over the open holes so the formula gets into the bloodstream. Also, look up and oxygen bed on Google and see if any spas in your town offer one. Even my shit redneck town offers oxygen bed therapy for 50 bucks.

To sum it up, your scalp needs to be clean with good blood flow for minoxidil to do anything.

>>18473607
ketoconazole is mostly to clear up the scalp. dandruff or inflammation can contribute to hair loss. can also reduce shedding a bit

>>18473925
>To sum it up, your scalp needs to be clean with good blood flow for minoxidil to do anything.
welp so far I've just been applying it once in the morning, afternoon, and before I go to bed and scrubbing that shit deep into my scalp. I wash my hair only every 2-3 days.

I'm getting finasteride prescribed soon, so hopefully that should stop the bleeding. If the minox doesn't do shit in the next month or two then I'll try minox pills.

>I recommend derma stamps (not rolls)
> oxygen bed
I've never tried anything like this but I'll look into it, thank you

OPTIONS:

SHAVE IT

OR

GET PLUGS

AND QUIT BITCHING LIKE A WOMAN

>wtf i didnt regrow my entore hairline after a week of using minoxidil chat its over fr fr
i want zoomers to fucking die

>>18473933
A clean scalp requires antibacterial shampoo. A fungus requires antifungal such as coal tar and an incredibly thorough rinse. If you have white breakouts on your scalp, it’s bacteria. If it’s yellow and liquid, it’s fungus. I also rinse on high pressure which massages the scalp without killing your hair, thus allowing blood flow.

Oxygen beds are even for healing your scalp. In fact, many clinics mention this. Oxygen is also good for your blood flow. You are essentially waking up your healing and growth process. Not only that, it’s a great stress reducer. Stress also leads to hair loss.

There isn’t a gene that says “hair loss.” There’s a gene that says how well your body physically responds to stress. Always try to de-stress yourself. Find things that make you smile, feel good, and feel sexy. Some people just need a little spa treatment once in a while.

>>18473595 (OP)
Whats a good shampoo for a high number norwood guy?

>>18473872
If you're scared then you're not desperate enough. I never took any notice of what people said about side effects when I got on it. I knew it was either take fin or go bald. I chose fin. Haven't had a single side effect in 3 years and I credit it to saving my hairline. The worst that can happen is you experience ED, and if that's the case, just stop taking it. But you'll be fine.

>>18474023
I'm scared of tits, I'm not fat and I don't eat sugared stuff but still. I know there is no alternative though

>>18474023
the only people who criticise fin are those who are already bald and make up stories to try and keep people off it
they want others to go bald as well

About one month on fin now. No noticeable side effects really. Boners are normal and I have no tits still. No more depressed than usual. But lots of shedding, which you fellas say is a good thing. When is the earliest I might see some re-growth?

>>18474108
You're not supposed to shed if you're not also taking min.

>>18474108
3 months minimum. usually 6+.

>>18474111
You're misinformed. Shed is almost inevitable. Also it's summer we all shed

>>18473875
You might have dry dandruff caused by hot water and washing your hair too much. Ketoconazole won't do anything in that case.

>>18474108
4-6 months.

>>18473876
had the same issue with oral

is it true you can't get a transplant on dermawhatever'd areas?

>>18474238
if you do it too deep and use a shitty device it can cause scarring. get a dr pen and dont go deeper than 1mm and youre good.

I know we shill fin here but is it over for me? And be honest with me. I am consider hair transplants and other solutions, I just want to know what to expect from taking Finasteride alone. I am one month in now and I am still shedding

>>18474322
Maybe better photo

>>18474324
no, go to your gp and get on fin or dut

>>18474326
I've been on Fin for 1,5 months now. I started shedding again this week and it is demoralizing. Last photo was fro today after I took off my hat. You can see right through my hairline, I look insane.

Do I need dutasteride, maybe?

>>18474322
I think you need to get your head checked instead if you think that's bad after 1.5 months on fin. that's hardly norwood 2

>>18473595 (OP)
I've been taking oral topical minox 4-5 drops daily for the past 1.5 months

a lot of beard shedding and new velus are coming in

good sign right? not seeing much action on the head though..

why does fin make some people's acne better and some worse?

this can't not be regrowth, right?

>>18474519
acne is hormonal, DHT may make it worse, but increased testosterone may also trigger acne

28 yo
Can fin+min save me or am I in "needs a transplant" territory?

>>18473595 (OP)
>At the barber
>"Hey have you switched your shampoo to a growth formula or something? Your hair feels a lot thicker"
It finally happened. The minox kicked in after 8 months

>>18474606
you would need to be on fin+min anyway after a transplant if you had half a brain. might as well start now and see if you get good results

>>18474322
You are probably not still shedding rather just shedding again. Over time they will become less frequent and cease altogether. dont be impatient or freak out and think it isn't working, it takes time and you need to wait. remember your alternative is going bald anyway

>>18474103
There are others who are not balding so they don't understand the plight of us and will confidently exclaim how they will simply shave it off when the time comes and how you (who is balding) should do the same. I hope all of these people go bald and suffer with it, they are far more vain than anybody else.

>>18474606
If you can afford it I'd start minfin and get the transplant. If you care enough to ask........

I don't think fin is working for me bros

what can i do about this?
should i bite the bullet and go on spironolactone?

You don't need to take more than 0.25mg of fin.

>>18473595 (OP)
Finasteride ruined my life. Fried my brain. Post-Finasteride Syndrome is very real.

>>18474737
why would you get on spiro instead of fin
>>18475180
high e soiboi detected
get on trt or something

3 months on fin and I haven't noticed anything, thinking of adding min.
How good are these with front of scalp thinning? I've apparently got an abnormal pattern in that I'm still reasonably hairy on the top of my head, but the front of my hairline looks goofy.

>>18475185
finasteride can take up to 12 months to show signs of working, u need patience

>>18474558
it's fine. bordering NW1. just keep taking the meds and fuck off.
>>18474606
needs transplant territory but take fin and min anyway the density will be better.

You can take dutasteride once a week and after a few months skipping two weeks won't make a difference. Long half life is long.

Maybe men with low functioning thyroid can't recover as quickly from 5ari cessation thus causing pfs.

>>18475352
I've been taking 0.5mg daily

>>18475193
good, can't wait to fuck off tbqh

>>18475362
That's expensive

>>18475392
it's free where i live

>>18475352
i started taking dut twice a week while taking finasteride every day. from what ive read this combo should be almost as effective at inhibiting dht as taking dutasteride only, but its a lot cheaper this way.

>>18475463
It takes a long time to build up in the body when taken twice a week, the DHT reduction graphs for twice weekly 0.5mg fut also look only marginally better than 1mg daily fin.

I started balding when I was 16. I got depressed about my appearance and gave up until 21(now) and I'm now on fin and min for only a few days. How long should I wait for the actual results to show? I'm Norwood 3 diffuse thining now is there is any chance I can get my full hairline back or would I have to get a transplant? I have the money and but I really don;t want to do it.

>>18475541
i said im taking both bro.

>>18475551
regrowing your hairline, even half a norwood, is extraordinary: if the hair is completely slick bald and gone from an area, you are very unlikely to grow it back.
on the other hand, diffusely thinning areas usually respond very well to treatment.
you will likely get a thick and healthy looking norwood 3, maybe 2.5 if you are lucky. then all you need is save up a little for a transplant. cheer up lad, it could be worse.

>>18475560
>then all you need is save up a little for a transplant
wait those actually work?

>>18475551
Don't stress the fact that you didn't start sooner, taking fin before you're in your early 20s is dangerous because you could fuck with your puberty.

>>18475610
Of course. You still need to take the meds though, otherwise you'll continue losing hair around the transplant and possibly even the transplant itself.

>>18475611
>>18475614
but the meds are harmless to people in their 30s/40s??

>>18475624
People in their 30s and 40s, famously going through puberty...

>>18475625
Men go through second puberty between 25-35 tho

anyone taken the lardpill?

I've been dabbing it on my temples where I've noticed it receding, it smells weird and makes my pillow/sheets dirty but I hope it'll work. I'm only a few weeks in.

>>18475633
that sounds nasty, post your greasy ass head or fuck off

Does finasteride bum you out? Because I feel so fucking clouded and like I'm constantly crying except no tears. I feel like you do after you've bawed for two hours and you're now dealing with the symptoms

It's always funny how balding discussions are always mix of people who are absolutely bald and teenagers insecure about getting adult hairline. Nothing in-between.

>>18475626
yeah the second puberty of going bald lmao

>>18475714
adult hairline = MPB

>>18475710
you sound high E, the fact that you know what that feels like tells me you already knew that

>1mg Fin
>double daily minoxidil
>Ketoconazole twice a week
>.25mm microneedling twice a week
>1.5mm microneedling once a week
>quit nicotine pouches

>NW5 to NW0
so this is the power of spiro

>>18475734
add dut and ru58841

2 months of 0.5 mg DUT and 6 months of 2.5 mg DUT, still losing about 100-200 hairs when i wash them with ketoconazole shampoo once per week
how much longer until i see reduced hair fall?

>>18475767
200 a week isn't abnormal if you are only shampooing once a week. You would be completely bald by now if it were daily

>first starting losing hair on temples at 16 very slowly so
>now 22 I'm a full nw1 also some weird dupa shit behind the ears?
It's time for fin right?

>>18475793
See>>18475714

>>18475626
it's male menopause not puberty

>>18475714
>>18475804
The reason for that is the "teenagers insecure about getting an adult hairline" actually save their hair while the guys who aren't "insecure about getting an adult hairline" rock it until they hit norwood 4 at which point they have an existential crisis and start mainlining dutasteride.

>>18475793
it's time to start taking estrogen >>18475739

>>18475739
he was diffugsing if not just an elaborate troll. the hair there

>>18475726
Very astute analysis. Yes, I might be high E. I have a twink body type but I'm also very hairy. I have the libido of a mentally ill person. I've always considered myself high T but I might be high E, maybe high both. I did have mild gyno in my teens but that is normal for teenagers, if that says something?

>>18475633
That's interesting. What about tallow? It doesn't smell after it dries and I already use it on my face.

How old are you?

WAGMI

>>18473702
>>18473607
rn I'm on oral fin and min, is there any point in microneedling if you're not on anything topical

>>18476008
I don't understand the point of microneedling when you're on minoxidil. Both do the same thing: increase blood flow to the hair follicles. If both of them worked together, it'd mean you could just do more of one, and you can't

>>18476021
i thought the point of microneedling was to make it easier for minoxidil to be absorbed into the skin through these openings since some people can't absorb it properly or something? dunno, topical minoxidil works fine for me so I've never bothered

>>18474558
Who knows, won't hurt to try fin and oral min.

im scared to take fin soon because i have a big dick and might make my dick smaller

>>18476049
Yeah increases systemic absorption of min. apparently it can also independently stimulate the follicles by increasing blood flow to the area like minoxidil already does

>>18476066
Who or what told you fin shrinks your dick

>>18476097
Some people on the internet say their dick doesn't work as well on it

>>18473801
>slowing/reversing grey hair?

This slows and reverses preying hair.

>>18476320
>preying

Graying

I'm not sure if the 1.5mm needles are going deep enough because I'm afraid to press them against my skull because you know they're fucking needles

>>18476343
not like it would damage anything, I hear at worst you gets spots of bleeding and scarring if you do it too much

>only found out I was balding balding because I went to a different barber that showed the upper back of my scalp with a mirror
could have simply found out too late the extent of my balding
luckily I look completely find from the front since my hair line's fine

>>18473595 (OP)
How often do you guys microneedle and at what depth? I’ve been doing 1.5mm once a week. I am starting to wonder if I should do more.

>>18476531
You need to go to a clinic. Rollers you do at home won’t even penetrate the skin. A clinic would literally use an electric derma stamp (not a pen) connected to a power cord. Your head should be bleeding to have any real effect. Also, that’s when you scalp cleanse then add minox.

This is how I regrew my diffuse thinning.

>Derma stamp at a clinic
>Antibacterial shampoo and hot water
>Liquid minoxidil on the punctured scalp
>Oxygen bed at a spa for healing, a nap, and for the stuff to take effect faster.

>>18476550
I don’t disagree with all of that. Fuck rollers. I’ve been using the derminator2 and can get consistent bleeding, so I guess that resolves the depth question. I’ll definitely look to see what’s available at the clinics around me. But as for frequency, how often can I punctuate my scalp? Should I retry after the redness has gone away? So like every 2-3 days?

>>18474322

Stay on treatment, most results happen 1-2 years in, expect a couple shedding phases.

try oral minoxadil also if you are already doing topical, its much better

>>18476555
You should also let your scalp heal. Too much trauma to the body will trigger a stress response. Same with any serums. Give your hair and skin a rest and detox.

>>18476064
I'm on 0.25mg fin 2.5mo and topical min 8mo very inconsistent, 2.5mo 2x daily
oral min worked extremely fast but I also got edema around my eyes so I stopped
I tried dosing as low as 0.5mg a day, but my eyes still swell up after a week or two

>>18476343
don't be a pussy, bro

>>18476066
It won't make your dick smaller, but it will shrink your prostate and make your erections weaker.

>>18476843
my best orgasms have been on finasteride, idk where this comes from

>>18473595 (OP)


Been balding for 10 years, am really bad at this point. I'm just going to get the surgery. Anything I should know beforehand?

>>18476880
Get on finasteride now, you have to be on it at least 6 months before any serious transplant clinic will work on you or it'll fall out immediately.

>>18476888


I remember going to the dermatologist and they didn't want to put me on fin because they said "you're young you need your drive"... I was an incel but didn't want to say that in front of my doctor.

I've been taking it for the last several months (1mg every other day)

>>18476861
Prostate orgasms as a bottom don't count

>>18476555
derminator 2 mogs, loving mine for both skin and hair. Needling every 2-3 days is probably not a good idea, i've seen people swear by 0.5mm x2 once a week but the healing just wouldnt fit neatly into a one week schedule, i could see someone doing 0.5 x2 every 8-9 days.

Having your scalp/skin in constant trauma is probably not a good idea, just do 1-1.25mm on the scalp (1.5mm is probably overkill as well, most studies citing that depth are using dermarollers which dont penetrate that full depth)

>>18476843
hard and horny as ever
no sideeffects except I don't get insta-morning wood but it sets in over a minute or two after waking up, which is ubiqitous from what I've heard

>doing keto
>my cholesterol is abnormally high (I have the cholesterol of a smaller 40 year old landwhale even though im 23 and <20% bodyfat)
>doctor doesn't want to prescribe me finasteride because she's worried it will fuck up my hormones and cause me to drop dead
welp

Im 28, so far no sign of balding, i heard im pretty much "safe", wonder how true it is, did anyone start balding in their 30s or later?

>>18477144
>Doctor
>She

>>18477152
I was receding but not thinning until 25. Wasn’t bad for those years after. Temples could have easily been masked with a hairstyle. Suddenly around 33 I began to shed like crazy out of nowhere and had a thinning patch along the parting.

Am I just seeing things or is this cause for concern? I'm already taking fin and min daily for close to a year but just noticed this today.

>>18476938
fin actually made my prostate orgasms weaker and harder to achieve
this is so damn ironic, the only reason for taking this drug is my autogynephilia but it makes the anal masturbation experience worse

>>18476242
It's rare to get ED or delayed ejaculation from fin. Like 1% of the people who take it, and the side effects go away 2 weeks after discontinuation.

>>18475180
Are you the same shill who posts anti-Fin agenda on /fit/?

How many people claiming no side effects from fin are actually fucking women with 0 issues instead of masturbating?

>>18477315
>women
disgusting
>>18477253
I am worried about this

I started growing new hair around my hairline like a week after I got on fin. Isn't that a bit weird? I thought the effects shouldn't be visible until a couple months in.

>>18473641
Yeah, the standard balding pattern feels like some kind of big practical joke from god, like it happens specifically in a way to make it so it becomes impossible to hide or deemphasize

>try to hide receding hairline by combing hair forward and having bangs? Thinning/bald spot on the top of your head becomes obvious
>try to hide thinning/bald spot on top of head by combing hair back and over it? Receding hairline becomes extremely pronounced

there's just no winning.

>>18473796
IMO not worth it. For one, it was RX strength 2% used in those studies. The difference was only slight, and 1% would be even less. The big problem is that ketoconazole shampoo is extremely harsh on your hair. It's like the shittiest lowest-quality shampoo ever, and it leaves your hair looking and feeling dry and strawlike and just horrible.

Theoretically if I were to add it back to my regimen, I would go with ketoconazole skin cream instead and just try my best to apply it to my scalp before bed. That way you deliver the drug without using a shitty overly-harsh shampoo.

>>18473875
ketoconazole is an antifungal medication. So it's only going to have an effect on dandruff if the cause is fungal in origin. I'm not sure if being antifungal has anything to do with its minor anti-balding properties, but I'm assuming it's more to do with the fact that ketoconazole has antiandrogen properties as a side-effect

>>18473914
they say it takes 6 months to see any effect for any treatments. Which is really annoying because you could be spinning your wheels that entire time for nothing

>>18473925
This is why I just take minodixil orally. Apply that shit is a major pain in the ass, especially with any hairstyle longer than a buzz cut. And it makes your hair look shitty and greasy. And presumably you care how your hair looks if you're trying to reverse thinning, so...

>>18477376
>And it makes your hair look shitty and greasy. And presumably you care how your hair looks if you're trying to reverse thinning, so...
I use topicals before going to bed, but I get away with doing that because I'm an incel and sleep alone.

>>18477152
35 my hairline started to heavily recede. i'm almost 37. not trying to scare you, enjoy your hair while you have it because the norwood reaper is always waiting.

>>18473595 (OP)
How bad is it tell me honestly.

>>18477144
get compounded OTC finasteride from serbia like a real man
>>18477225
Those are new baby hairs, I have them too since starting fin and if you check r/tressless most people who had regrowth have them around the temples. Means the treatment is working

>>18476550
>A clinic would literally use an electric derma stamp (not a pen) connected to a power cord
>fell for the clinic jew
How about you go to a construction site and let them penetrate your head with a jackhammer? Should work even better

>3 weeks on dut
>still on fin fin (dont feel like tapering fin yet)
>shed already started

i want off this rollercoaster ride

>>18477372
are people actually using keto shampoo as normal shampoo?
I lather it on the problem areas and leave it on for a few seconds then rinse off and use regular shampoo afterwards.

>>18477452
if you're very lucky and start a strong stack you could straight up go NW2

How long until I start seeing effects from finasteride?

being bald is not /fa/
why the everliving fuck does this thread exist let alone a whole general
who is letting this happen
i miss casemods

PSA: Don't do 80 mg of Accutane for eight months

>>18477738
decades

>>18477746
this is the anti-balding general

>>18477759
it says balding general

>>18477738
as soon as ~3 months or as long as 1-2 years for full results if you mean for regrowth of hair. If you mean actually working then after the first dose, though the half life is only about 6 hours so you will need to continue taking it for around a month for it to sufficiently build up in your tissue and be working 24/7.

i think some basic info on timeframes for min/fin/dut should be added to the sticky this question comes up far too often

Might as well tell my story a bit.
>Mom's Dad: NW 5 @ 25
>Mom's brother: NW 5 @ 25
>Dad: Diffuse thinning since late 20's, currently at a NW 7
>Be me
>30
>Never had any issues with hair, constant complements from barber that it is thick, etc, ect,
>One day barber says the crown is starting to thin
>Keep an eye on it for a year
>Yep, I'm shedding a lot, hair on top is def getting thin, can start to see through hair in the right light
>Begin fin at start of April
>Notice no difference in shedding for first month
>Shedding increases some by month 2
>Coming up on 3 months notice shedding is becoming very minimal
>Notice some new hair growing in the valleys of my NW 1.5 widows peak
>Hair on top just seems thicker (darker?)
>Only sides are that I seemed to get fewer boners in the first two months, but that passed. Probably all in my head anyway.
Well that's my story.
tl;dr fin works for me and didn't break my dick. If you're in doubt, just do it. The shit costs me like $10 a month

>>18475714
i dont know where youve been getting your hair info from but a 'maturing hairline' IS mpb
for some people it can freeze after some minor recession for a few years or even decades but eventually it will all fall off

mentally ill general

Found a place that's willing to prescribe me 0.5 mg DUT.

Has anyone had any luck with 0.5 mg DUT twice a week? Heard that it's slightly more effective than 1 mg FIN daily but idk if it's bullshit or not...
This dosage would set me back financially about as much as 1 mg FIN daily which I'm currently taking.

I'm a little worried that my nipple gyno will get worse. I've had it since birth and it runs in my family. Finasteride made no difference thankfully.

Should I make the switch?

>>18477465
A clinic knows what they’re doing and also is liable if they do anything dumb. Not to mention they have other things to help with sterilization or even aid in the event of accidents.

>>18476343
microneedling is just inducing blood rush nothing else
there is no depth stimulation bs
massage or a mild acidic or vasodilatator will do the same, you just need to be consistent

>>18477906
Why are you more concerned about your hair than gyno? A genuine question.

>>18478048
Because I rarely take my shirt off.

my [spoiler]wife[/spoiler] and my mom both said it's literally just my hair pattern and that the volume's the same all around it just looks bald because it's all low volume and this is where it's growing from
and it IS the pattern, from the center my hair goes in cardinal directions so I guess it made sense for it to be naturally parted to show my scalp but is this cope?
should I just use min to cover up? I've had this since I was 18-19 so it can't be balding right?
my mom's dad was also not balding, no one in my family is balding except for 1 cousin

how long till I start feeling the effects of drinking topical minoxidil ?
I'm losing a ton of hair for 1.5 months

>>18478183
that is textbook diffuse thinning pattern balding. you may have started out with thinner hair on top but unfortunately there is no denying that it's not progressed into balding.

You can use min though it is not a cure and will eventually lose effectiveness as your balding progressives beyond what min can supplement. If you are serious about keeping your hair indefinitely then you should be looking into finasteride/dutasteride (start with fin). Minoxidil will get you at most 5 years of acceptable hair before it gets bad again, at which point fin probably can't help you anymore. Those are your options anything else will be coping and do next to nothing for you.

>>18477906
You haven't had gyno since birth you got it during puberty when your hormones we're going crazy, even more likely if you were overweight. It's unlikely that dut will simulate the same conditions which caused it in the first place if fin did not. Your hormonal levels are probably quite balanced now and there is nothing to worry about in terms of it being made worse.

>>18478192
Usually 3 months and onwards. 99% of people get a shed within the first month

>>18478231
You're right, and yea I was overweight from when I was a kid up until I was 18.
Sounds good, I'll try dut for a couple of weeks and see how it goes.
Thanks.

>>18478232
Really? I've done 1.25mg for 5 weeks and now 2.5mg for 3 weeks and no shedding

>>18478295
Your hair is probably not very damaged then. You have to shed your thinning hair for it to regrow thicker

Where are people scoring 2.5mg dut?
Desperate people on r/tressless try to get on it as soon as they see the 95% scalp DHT reduction numbers, are they all taking 5 pills a day?
I swear this shit is a slippery slope to HRT.

I have a dermatologist appointment tomorrow. I'm from eastern EU. 30yrs old.
Any tips to help me get fin prescribed?

Like I'm NW2 NW3 no vertex. My thickness is ok on front, but the sides are high up and I feel like they are moving up.
All men in my family have had androgenic alopecia at 30-40+yrs old and had "M" hairline.

I have a feeling my dermatologist (female) is a bit retarded. I had an actual alopecia patch behind my ear that I got fixed, but even then she didn't want to prescribe fucking minoxidil.

>>18478318
My hair has gotten pretty thinned out from diffuse thinning and has been ongoing for a decade. None of them are that small though except along the hairline. I'm starting finasetride soon.

>>18478388
Make sure to tell them you have tried minoxidil and it did not work, they will try to get you on that before fin in a lot of cases. Do not answer yes or unsure to any question regarding suicide/depression/anxiety or they will deny you due to new EU regulations. Do not ask for finasteride by name or you will be redflagged and denied. Worst case get prescribed online without dealing with this nonsense.

>>18478406
are you taking it every day? Try splitting your doses in half and taking the same amount twice or 3x a day in smaller doses for optimal coverage.

>>18478499
>Do not ask for finasteride by name
i asked my gp for dutasteride by name and got it lol

>>18478503
not all doctors want you to suffer

Honestly, should I start with .25mg or .5mg finasteride? I'm a bit nervous in starting it.

>>18478555
Just take one and don't watch for side effects, then take another one tomorrow, after 3 days you'll feel stupid for believing PFS is a real thing.

Do your sides ever grow back or is it just coping with hairstyles forever, been three months on oral fin/min at 1/5mg and while the top has gotten better, the sides not so much

>>18478373
have been on 2.5 years of 1mg fin, 1 month of 5mg fin, 2 months of 0.5mg dut, and 6 months of 2.5mg dut
i am still masculine and still get erections, get horny, jack off, etc
only problem is minimal regrowth after my immense shed in october last year
maybe i have to wait a year more to get my scalp dense again, i dunno

>>18477738
Took me about three weeks, and then everything went to shit.

>>18477253
To be fair, it makes all masturbation worse.

>>18478500
I think the studies and most people take it just once per day though. Yeah, splitting those makes it so you get minoxidil in your system the whole day but it also means you get less in your system at once. I think I need to try to get to 5mg but I'm waiting for my symptoms at 2.5mg to clear up first; it's slowly getting better and I had symptoms at 1.25mg at first.

>>18478665
Notoriously difficult to regrow the temples once they've receded that much. You might get lucky and score a fraction of an inch but realistically you will need a transplant

>>18478841
The half life of oral min is only 4 hours, thats why I'm suggesting dosing more frequently. Compare to topical at nearly 24 hours half life. I just don't think 4 hours of it is enough to get great results

>>18478893
large dosages stay in the blood longer in a non-linear way, if you do 10mg you don't have to bother with 2x/day

>>18478898
*5mg

My bro is balding and she's dating a freak who's all exes are bald

>>18478910
he's*

>>18478898
Even so the coverage is still half that of someone taking topical 1x a day. 5mg 2x a day (10mg) with the 2nd dose at around the 8 hour mark would be optimal no?

>>18478913
NTA but apparently not everyone has the enzymes in their scalp to process the min or something like that and only the liver will have it so sometimes oral is just better

The Reddit Cult of Bald will not suffer any dissent.

Always funny to see the super forced meme of people always looking better with shaved heads than any balding state (a lie) and anyone claiming otherwise is swiftly removed by mods. Lmao.

>>18475739
>people would rather troon out to get their hair then just slap on a hair system
genuinely pathetic but then troons are a mess in general

>>18478718
>i am still masculine and still get erections, get horny, jack off, etc
this reads as if you wanted to say you're still horny but not as much as before

>>18479045
uh, this was in a subreddit called PhotoshopRequests. and the original photo with his real hair was fucking horrifying, go check it out, he would definitely look better with a shave in this case

>sexual dysfunction side effects aren't real!
>sexual dysfunction side effects aren't permanent!
never
EVER
EVER
EVER
listen to these schizos

>>18473595 (OP)
scalp massage and micro needling is all you need.

>>18479161
hard disagree

the chad embrace is way better than the bald coper

>>18479269
Depends on how much you’re balding. If it’s just generic receding, you could maybe get away with it. If you look like beetlejuice, shave it for the sake of looking presentable.

>>18479280
Don't forget extremely handsome to offset the hairline. Normal people can get absolutely devastated by losing just enough to make their forehead appear freakishly huge

>>18479206
The retard started while he was still in puberty and had obvious hormonal issues and likely other underlying health issues. His experience is the same reason puberty blockers are illegal. If he'd gotten himself thoroughly checked out by a endocrinologist before jumping on medicine meant for men in their late twenties and beyond he would have likely been able to correct the other hormonal issues he was suffering from and reverse his hair loss. Moral here is don't take hormone effecting drugs until your body is done developing.

>take enclomiphene to pct off of prohormones
>hair, which was fine before, starts to get the dht itch
fuck, time to add dut to the stack, I guess.
2x a week good?
Mind you I was probably average test before enclomiphene and enclo makes my voice notably deeper, so I imagine I'm at the high end now.

how long does it take for a diffuse-thinning scalp to fill back up with daily 2.5 mg dut?

>>18479309
this

I stopped taking min. What an utter waste of time and daily annoyance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtwhLv1Ns7U
>went through the stages of grief about my balding just as the video depicts

>>18479206
I can't believe I wasted my time reading this. This has to be a rage bait, but whatever.

He took it at 18, he was not even done developing yet.
DHT is important for development at that stage up until about 25. Obviously he is going to fuck himself up if he has other hormonal, psychological issues on top.

Do you think this Chud that lists complaints about acne, height, his misshapen jaw, no friends, isolation, homeschooling, ugliness would not have ED or sexual problems regardless?

He was doomed from the start, it has nothing to do with fin. He has some DEEP issues.

>>18479517
i'm thinking of doing the same
it makes my body hair grow crazy but doesn't do shit for my scalp hair (diffuse thinning, on 2.5mg dut for the past 6 months)

>>18479552
I was talking about topical liquid min, it is so annoying to apply it twice every single day and the hair just soaks it upwards and when it dries it looks like shit and you get dandruff AND yellow minox flakes. I switched to foam and lost all my gains and now I'm shaving again.
Gonna give fin a chance, fuck this shit.

>>18479556
>Gonna give fin a chance, fuck this shit.
KEK. You fucked up nigga.

You need to start with fin FIRST and FOREMOST. Minox is secondary. Doing just minoxidil is a meme if you are receding.
Don't expect fast results either, might take about a year. That's why it's always emphasized to hop on FIN as soon as you start noticing the Norwood reaper. Anything else is just a cope. Rosemary, microneedling, minox, shampoo etc are supporting things you use AFTER you start fin. Anyone that says otherwise is an absolute retard and is probably trolling.

This is about a years worth of oral fin and min and at age 29.

Shit really snuck up on me since my hairline itself hasn't really receded much, it just started thinning all over the place. At least at the very worst I can say that it seems to have halted the thinning, but that thin patch towards the front still drives me crazy when I'm trying to style my hair.

Should I try dut or any other techniques to get more regrowth or should I just cut my losses and be happy that I've gotten it thick enough in spots to more or less hide most of the thinning?

i think my hair loss may actually be caused by telogen effluvium instead of mpb

>>18479640
That's not bad at all and the average person would never notice. You can still reasonably expect more results going into years 2 and 3. The first year for a lot of people is just the start. No point switching anything as you are clearly getting results.

>>18479556
that's annoying too and i don't see any difference
i have diffuse thinning and my scalp looks terrible, especially at the parietal and vertex areas
it's been 8 months since i started shedding crazy and i got on dut (first two months 0.5mg dut, then switched to 2.5mg dut)
still nothing
topical min seems completely useless unless you want to scar your scalp with microneedling
oral minoxidil is even worse since it affects the rest of the body more

>>18479556
also yeah, it looks like my dandruff is worsened by topical min
i use 2% keto shampoo once a week and my scalp is still filled with disgusting dandruff
i'll apply topical min only for one more month and just drop it

>>18479640
that's decent progress
if you style your hair to the sides, the thinning will be even less noticeable
that's what i do
my hairline is perfectly intact, but it's the thinning all over the scalp that i hate
used to be able to style my hair to the front and make it look really good, but now i have to cope with side sweeps
i don't know if it's a good idea to switch to dut
i personally did but very carefully
i was on 1mg fin for 2.5 years, then i switched to 5mg fin (useless) for a month, then i used both 0.5mg dut and 1mg fin for about 2 months and finally completely switched to 2.5mg dut
if you really want to switch to dut, you'll have to make sure fin is still active until dut starts affecting your body

>>18473620
in his quest to avoid becoming a tranny, he turned himself into one
tragic

>>18479654
Thanks that's good to hear. Didn't realize you could continue to get new growth past that point, thought it was just about maintaining the gains you initially got.

Does fin work in waves?
Soon I'll complete year 1 on fin and thus far it created stronger and thicker hair along my hairline which was honestly great, but thing is that I'm diffuse thinning so my hairline wasn't THAT high anyways. I have a ton of tiny hairs around my hairline that I guess will get reinforced by fin as time goes by but looking behind the hairline theres a visibly thinner semicircle with 0 hairs emerging inbetween so it has me worried. Crown still also feels a bit thinner but I don't dare look for my own sanity.

>>18479309
>>18479399
>>18479538
it happened to two adult friends of mine.
people who intentionally give bad medical advice online deserve a bullet in their brains. you know nothing about pharmacokinetics or endocrinology. your opinion holds ZERO weight. you're objectively garbage human beings by every metric. the worst kinds of midwits and pathological liars you could ever imagine.
when it comes time to 42% don't hesitate: you're making the right choice. the world will be better without you.

>>18479538
>chud
>literal redditor vernacular
obvious shill.

>>18479651
go see a dermatologist and stop listening to the fucking samefaggot shill on here who replies to everyone telling them to get on fin.
last year i posted a picture of a FEMALE'S head from a medical pdf on telogen effluvium and he tried to convince me i have male pattern baldness and i need to go on fin.
it's a paid shill who sits in here all day samefagging. he's over half the posts in this thread.

>>18473599
Not only that, but it completely reshapes your face and skull. I am not kidding, look it up. Many cases of people taking it and getting the "fin face look" and completely regretting taking it

you guys need to start calling these fin/spiro shills out on sight.
mwahnon's one of the anons who shills it in here. pedophile tranny.

i fucked one of the fin shills in the ass and know where they live btw

>>18474611
I'm on month like 4 or 5 of Minox. You saying it kicked in at 8 months gives me hope!

>>18479620
I'm diffuse thinning, my actual hairline didn't recede that much. Pic is not me but I had a similar starting point and 80% of his success. Liquid min revived my hair but it also gave me dandruff and flakes and you have to set 4+4 hours every day to let the fucker dry. Missed one dose because you came home late? It's shedding time bitch! Got a girlfriend? Good luck fucking while waiting for your hair to dry.
Maybe I should try out using liquid min in the morning and foam in the evening, or vice versa depending on the occasion.

>>18479813
That's weird. My hair dries immediately after applying foam min. Maybe use a hair dryer or something

>>18479837
I'm talking about liquid min. Of course foam dries quickly, it also doesn't cause dandruff. The problem is that it is much less potent for some reason.

>>18479840
I did not know that. Gonna get the liquid version when my foam min runs out

>>18479837
Foam minox is basically a really good mousse and nothing more. Your best results are applying liquid at night before bed.

Foam when going out. Liquid at night. Most before and after pics are just foam with blow drying to thicken up the hair.

Always remember to use an antibacterial shampoo so your scalp isn’t caked with product.

>>18479842
For what it's worth I apply the foam about 4 minutes after a shower when my hair is damp. I feel like it gets absorbed into my scalp better. But I'll for sure get the liquid version next time

>>18479843
Again, use the liquid at night after a shower when nobody is home. I put on a sweatband when applying it so it doesn’t dribble into my eyes. Make sure it touches your scalp and not just sit on your hair. Let it dry naturally.

i got a buzzcut cause i got sick of seeing my thinning temples while waiting for the drugs to hopefully regrow shit. how bald do i look fellas

>>18479309
>>18479399
>>18479538
wow how dare he take it at the age of 18, the age it's commonly and legally prescribed at

>>18479206
why are anti fin shills like this? its sad to hear of these anecdotes but the reality is almost everyone tolerates 5ar inhibitors well. pfs has literally zero proof btw, you might as well believe in yakub.

>>18479846
finn bernd? you look better than before.

>>18479783
>>18479784

Remember, that faggots posting these here are either:
>Irreversibly bald already and coping.
>Never had a receding hairline, just trolling.
>Intentionally want to sabotage you, they revel in it.

People that are bald as fuck are probably already depressed, anxious even before fin.
The odds of fin actually being the root of all your problems are laughably low.
Your everyday medicine has far more risky sides, sometimes with even higher odds.

You would have to be a retard not to give it a shot and willingly give up your hair for no reason.

>>18479858
yeah its me. thanks buddy, i switched to oral min on your advice plus added dut twice a week on top of daily fin. ill probably switch to daily dut but ill do it the bitch way since i got scared of all the shedding stories.

>>18479846
I would just shave it shorter.
"Bald" is ok, "Balding" is not. This looks more like balding to me.

>>18479868
agree to disagree, any hair is better than no hair imho.

>>18479872
I would argue it would look more aesthetic with like 1/2 the current length. You have decent head shape for short/buzz, don't seem to have a giant ass forehead. That saves you.

>>18479874
well, ill give that a shot when its time for my next haircut in 6 months or so.

>>18479864
>Irreversibly bald already and coping.
>Never had a receding hairline, just trolling.
>Intentionally want to sabotage you, they revel in it.
I came here for advice for seborrheic dermatitis and you tried to tell me I have male pattern baldness and shill me finasteride. I happen to know a few things about pharmacology and I instantly identified you as a shill.
You're some faggot leftist or jew or troon who's shilling bad medical advice on purpose to harm people. You even talk in redditor leftist vernacular.
Kill yourself.
Literal demon.
Say it from the back:
People. Who. Shill. Bad. Medical. Advice. Online. Deserve. A. Bullet. Through. Their. Head.

>People that are bald as fuck are probably already depressed, anxious even before fin.
"Oh vey goyim he had it coming anyways!" Sounds like how jews talk in the talmud.
Kill yourself.
The world will be better without you.

>The odds of fin actually being the root of all your problems are laughably low.
It's a greater than 1% side effect which means its a COMMON side effect.
This is what's scary about having an anonymous thread about medical advice.
Listen to the tone and authority he's speaking with. But he doesn't even know how a "common" side effect is defined.
This guy didn't even take chemistry in high school but he thinks he's the expert.
95 iq max narcissist with an inflated ego. Don't listen to this sociopath.

>You would have to be a retard not to give it a shot and willingly give up your hair for no reason.
"GIVE IT A SHOT"?????????????
THE SIDE EFFECTS ARE PERMANENT AND IRREVERSIBLE
THE SIDE EFFECTS ARE PERMANENT AND IRREVERSIBLE
THE SIDE EFFECTS ARE PERMANENT AND IRREVERSIBLE

>>18479846
don't worry about it bro there's been a few scientific studies that showed dudes with norwooded temples but nothing else are MORE attractive to women than a perfect hairline.
the catch 22 with that being once it starts it doesn't stop.

>>18479905
Afroid mentality. Penis stealing/shrinking witchcraft is a staple of ignorant/low IQ thinking.

>>18479907
schizo post.
if you think that's witchcraft you're outing yourself as a retard.
everyone knows finasteride shrinks your prostate as a result of lowering your dht.
if it can shrink your prostate tissue why do you think it could not shrink your penile tissue which is also known to be linked to dht?

Finasteride in adult rats shrinks their penises by 25%:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21699669

>>18479907
Everyone should be able to tell this is a shill at this point. He doesn't know anything at all a single bit about pharmacology but he's telling you to take strong endocrine disrupting drugs and selling you a false reality that there are no people with finasteride sensitivity.
When by MEDICAL DEFINITION finasteride sensitivity is COMMON.
Rat.
Faced.
Lying.
Jew.
Call your little janny friend and sweep it up. I'll be here all month.

>>18479897
Don't care.
Used fin/min and got to keep my hairline. Dick still works just fine, didn't have sides.

Your friends (if they were real) probably killed themselves because of being surrounded by insufferable, retarded, wanna be know it all, schizo faggots like you instead of fin.

>muh mice studies
KEK

>>18479927
no you didn't. you're a leftist jew / troon faggot who thinks you're slick by shilling bad medical advice to "chuds" to get them to kill themselves or troon out.
i'll be here all year.

>>18479920
The whole point of your shizo posting is to cause placebo sides in people.
You are literal demon. I wish cancer upon you.

but friend i'm just sharing accurate medical information like how

Finasteride in adult rats shrinks their penises by 25%:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21699669

you're an extremely low iq sociopath who's posting bad medical advice to harm people.

>Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

>>18479942
>"finasteride in adult rats"
>study is about humans going on full androgen deprivation therapy
???

why does it bother you when people share accurate medical information about the risks of finasteride?
shouldn't people be making informed decisions?
why do you think i "want" someone to decide to or not to take finasteride and assume i have some kind of agenda?
my only agenda is to share accurate medical information so that people can make an informed choice for themselves.
you should NOT be calling COMMON side effects "rare" or "freak incidents" and acting like things it's been shown to do in rats are "voodoo"

>???
Rodents have long been the preferred species of lab animals in biomedical research, with sporadic experiments on common brown rats stemming back 150 years. Though laboratory animal research continues to pose ethical questions, particularly with respect to animal welfare, the scientific achievements linked to lab rats are innumerous. This primarily relates to the extraordinary anatomical, genetic, and physiological similarities between humans and rodents.
https://www.kentscientific.com/blog/why-rats-used-research/

>>18479936
i kinda like the anti fin schizos, only brainlets will be swayed by them, and i get to mog more baldies, thanks to using the meds myself.

If I put minoxidil only on the thinned out spots of my hairline will my hair still shed everywhere if I do get a shed or only on the applied area?

you guys all know why rodents are used in medical research.
grade schoolers know that.
it's so obvious that he's a shill.

>i kinda like the anti fin schizos, only brainlets will be swayed by them
if he has to ask such a simple question like why are rodents used in medical research...
is he really someone you should be taking medical advice from?
probably not.

>>18479944
He's a balding schizophrenic with a norwood 4 hairline. He actually got baited into posting himself 6 months ago. There is no point replying to him just let him rage and devolve into posting his gay porn until he gets banned again.

>>18479948
topical min's effect is stronger where you apply it but it'll affect your whole head. it's been shown applying it to one side of the head regrows hair partially on the other. if you're a troon it might make you grow a beard.

>>18479950
damn, norwooding is a mental health issue.

now's when it begins samefagging.
notice how this thread suddenly gets more activity than the entire rest of the board combined as all these "new anons" come in to "agree" with him.
it's so obvious and transparent.
you're not very good at this. just go call your janny buddy and delete all my posts again.

hairline's fine blud.
sebderm hair loss isn't permanent. came back with some ketaconezole and topical min.

this nigger tried to shill me finasteride for SEB DERM
the post he originally tried to shill it to me in literally said i have been on fin for 10 years and he still tried to shill fin.
started reading his posts and its nothing but bad medical advice, shilling and lies.
i'm going to sit in here forever and correct all of it. been here since day 1 of 4chan and i'm not going anywhere soon.

>>18479955
Stop hiding your forehead. I'll find the original pic I have it somewhere

>>18479538
>>18479953

I don't frequent /fa/ that often. And again, I say this.

This shizo is intentionally trying to induce placebo sides to vulnerable people with malicious intent.
Normal people don't waste their time like this.

My advice is, if you are mentally ill and weak minded, don't start fin. If you start and don't get results, that's how you get the "psychological sides" you get in your own head.
Love yourself first and accept that this is a chance of bringing your hair back and not a guarantee. Shit worked for me, might work for you.

Even people who get hair transplants, get on fin to even do the procedure and keep their hair. So I guess everyone with hairtransplant is a castrated suicidal psycho according to this guy.

Hair systems will be normalized in the coming years

>>18479958
And what did you use to fix it? Corticosteroids?
Kek. Those have crazy sides too.

the og pic is the side too. my hairline's the same as when i was a kid in the front. i totally have a big forehead from my vertical facial ratios but it doesn't bug me because i always have med/long hair anyways. i'm not insecure that stuff doesn't work on me try harder.

>>18479963
>I don't frequent /fa/ that often.
everything out of your mouth is a lie.
you sit on here 60 hours a week, it's probably your job.

>This shizo is intentionally
you're "the schizo schizo"
we both know who you are. you're the shill who spams all the anti white threads and you're in here trying to get white guys to commit suicide.
you should have a bullet in your head.
the existence of people like you justifies genociding every jew on earth.

>And what did you use to fix it?
antifungals, min, generally having better hygeine and switching up my shampoo/product.

notice he's done nothing to rebuke my claims about the side effects of finasteride
other than call me names, attempt to side-track the conversation and attempt to use classical conditioning to get the reader to associate me with "schizo" by samefagging and saying it over and over again in some sad attempt to discredit me.
that's all he can do because he's low iq, brown and knows nothing about medicine.

hey guess what nigger i'm an old old old fag so i know what you're up to and i have high self esteem so you can't get under my skin. i can sit here and warn people about you for years and years if we have to go that route. your usual tactics won't work on me.
fuck off from /fa/ and go shill somewhere else. all your anti white threads and all your bullshit. i don't give a fuck if you go do it somewhere else. we just want our board back.

>>18479966
> you're in here trying to get white guys to commit suicide
>the existence of people like you justifies genociding every jew on earth

Point proven. Get a life lunatic.

>antifungals, min, generally having better hygeine and switching up my shampoo/product.
And all of them have sides "crazy" sides too

Antifungals can cause loss of vision, heart problems, increase the severity of skin conditions.
Nizoral can cause rapid heartbeat, alopecia, difficulty breathing.

Everything is bad for you. Everything has a risk. If you are a sane, reasonable person, actually care for yourself, all the psychological sides are a fucking meme.
They may occur in deranged faggots like this guy though, but there are other underlying issues already.

>>18479972
all of the oldfags know what /fa/ was like before you came here. they might not know you're the one who ruined the board but they know why they left.

>And all of them have sides "crazy" sides too
not permanent irreversible sexual ones.
bit of a difference there don't you think?

>Everything is bad for you. Everything has a risk. If you are a sane, reasonable person, actually care for yourself, all the psychological sides are a fucking meme.
yes that is why you need to be giving accurate medical advice and tell people that finasteride commonly has irreversible sexual side effects.
i will state again:
all i want is accurate medical advice to be posted. i want you to stop talking with the tone like you're some kind of expert when you obviously don't know FUCK.
i do not think you should be posting medical advice at all. lurk moar newfag.
and i want you to stop spamming your shitty anti white threads and fuck off from the denim thread.
i will be here forever until that happens. enjoy the thug assholes.

>>18479975
Blindness not irreversible and severe, shit that destroys your liver not severe. Chery picking faggot.

I'm only speaking from my own experience, didn't have sides, worked for me. Stopped and stabilized at ~NW2-2.5 from NW3.
I never had a straight low hairline since birth. I had M shaped one just like every male in my family. Noticed thinning on the corners, acted on it and now it hasn't moved for at least 3-4 years. I'm only man in my family that isn't visibly balding in the front part at around age 30-35.

point stands, i've remained consistent and stated this multiple times: i want accurate information about side effects to be given and people should be able to make up their own minds. then i will gladly leave. i literally take fin.

>never had a straight low hairline since birth. I had M shaped one just like every male in my family. Noticed thinning on the corners,
it works out really well for most people but the risks are extreme for some. if you don't get sides its kind of a miracle drug but if you do it fucks your whole life. if they're aware of the sides and cease sooner the risks of permanence are lower. fin worked great for me but i've also had friends get the permanent sides, and if you look up the odds they're not nearly as rare as people make it out to be in fact they're considered common medically.
people should be able to make informed decisions. this "but anon everyone who posts here is an incel who should kill themselves" shit earlier was insane.
if you're married with kids and older it might not matter to you. if you're a younger guy on the football team it might fuck your whole life up. let people make their own informed decisions. key word informed.

>>18479984
Any reasonable person understands that any medication can have sides. Every doctor informs you of potential sides when they prescribe fin. You are not helping anyone.

If anything you are, like I said, causing people placebos and making it worse. You are trying to make people see things where there might not be any.

ED can be entirely psychological and doesn't need to have anything to do with medication. I had some ED issues when I first lost my virginity purely from nerves and after experiencing it first time I was very in my head. Took a reassuring, loving girlfriend at that time to get over the hump and never had it again.

Same can be with fin, you put this thought in peoples head and there you go. Anxiety before sex and people assume it's from fin and not because of retards like you.

>>18479986
i don't understand how you think you're going to convince an oldfag who's known multiple anons that cope'd and rope'd from fin side effects that accurate info about fin's side effects shouldn't be the norm. i said this in my first post.
the stuff like acting like its side effects are "african voodoo" is sociopathic.
i'm not the usual anti fin anon but i will gladly join him in giving you rape correction for as long as needed.
i will be monitoring this thread.

>Every doctor informs you of potential sides when they prescribe fin.
lolno definitely not in america. a lot of them rush you through and get pissed if they have to waste time if you ask.
right now you are shilling against accurately educating people on their medical condition. wrap your head around that for a second. that's what you're doing right now.
why should anyone blindly trust big pharma?
and not educate themselves?
>There are videos of Purdue Pharma CEOs admitting before congress their company targeted White people with opioid and heroin, particularly those from small towns.
>"We used Indian doctors to continue prescribing these pain medicines because it was easier; they had no connection to the locals".
>Last month a court ruled the Sackler family, a jewish migrant, will be protected from civil lawsuits.
>The CEOs admitted to bringing Indian doctors into the US, providing them with work and permit visas and using them to prescribe addictive drugs to White people.
ever tried to get a vaccine without heavy metals? did you know you can ask for one?

>ED can be entirely psychological and doesn't need to have anything to do with medication.
the fact that ED can be caused by multiple things...
does not change the fact that finasteride usage is linked to _permanent and irreversible_ ED.
these are not mutually exclusive statements. genuinely low iq stuff man. i should be the one struggling with basic logic i'm chain smoking .3 dabs right now.

>blindly trust big pharma
blud they still cut little kids dicks in america what is you saying son

>Every doctor informs you of potential sides when they prescribe fin.
this is a global forum with people from all socioeconomic backgrounds.
how can you assume everyone is getting good medical advice from a well trained doctor _who stayed up to date in their field?_

>How many people have died in war? At least 108 million people were killed in wars in the twentieth century. Estimates for the total number killed in wars throughout all of human history range from 150 million to 1 billion.
>Roughly 121 million unintended pregnancies occurred each year between 2015 and 2019.*
Of these unintended pregnancies, 61% ended in abortion. This translates to 73 million abortions per year.
whoa...

How to Look Up the Money Your Doctor Is Getting From Big Pharma:
https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov/

notice its posts stop the same time every night, in here and in the denim thread.
it's because its working a shift.

>>18473595 (OP)
Has anyone used mine for beard growth? I never grew a full beard and im Norwood 2 so I started using it on my hairline and beard area. Haven't noticed anything yet but it's barely been a month.

Also should fin be avoided if I already have gyno? I think I got it from working night shifts and eating fast food every day years ago. Seems to have stopped growing. I do want to get surgery at some point but I don't want fin to make it worse

>>18479220
>scalp massage and micro needling is all you need.
there's new research being done that is showing a lot of promise on using botox to cure male pattern hair loss especially in the temple using strategically placed botox to relieve tension and stress. its showing to work on about a third of guys the limiting factor being able to tell who's a good candidate or not and placing the injections correctly.
this would also kind of indicate that scalp massage and micro needling probably does a lot more than people say, for guys with stress/tension/facial injury induced hairloss.

>>18480028
i haven't but i do my eyebrows with it kinda the same deal. you won't notice anything till month 3 at earliest more like 6 for most people. it will both thicken your beard hair and it can turn vellum hairs into androgenized hairs permanently. topical min doesnt work on 1/3 of guys so if you find after like 7-8 months you get no results or hairs converting you could do oral and it'd affect your facial hair uniformly.

>>18480028
>should fin be avoided if I already have gyno?
you're more likely to be sensitive to it than average bc you already have hormonal problems. doesn't mean you'll get them but heightened probably. i'd evaluate how much you could live with the worst case where you get sides and go from there. like shit if you're a troon or something it probably wouldn't matter as much but if you a nigga it might more. its your life.
if you have gyno you should get blood work at your doc then read about what your levels ~should~ be for a man your age and go to a men's health clinic if your shit's fucked. they're a lot lot less stingy about giving men hormones, normal doctors will literally just let you have NPR radio host levels of testosterone and say its ok.

you prolly high prolactin nigga they can give you dopamine regulating meds for that, or brain surgery if you have prolactinoma etc there's treatment. i'd address it at least try meds.

>>18480030
Yeah, I should get blood work done. I'm already 35 and most of the guys in my gym are on trt or roids at this age already

>>18480028
Did you develop it well past puberty? Do what the other anon said if yes because it is going to get worse as you age fin or not. You are probably near the edge of estrogen excess.

>>18480028
>Also should fin be avoided if I already have gyno?
I wouldn't do it

How fast did fin start working for you guys? I started growing a bunch of hair around my hairline basically as soon as I started using it. I thought it's supposed to take a while especially if you're not using min, but I'm not complaining.

>Wake up
>Brush my teeth
>spray minoxidil on my hair
>get some water, I need it for this next part
>Take 2 pills creatine
>Take 2 pills Vitamin D supplement
>Take 1 pill biotin supplement
>Take 2 pills O3 fish oil pills
>Take 1 pill finasteride
this is no way to live

>>18480028
I think you should get checked out first:
Gyno during teenage years = Shit happens, aromatized too much estrogen during puberty test spikes
Gyno during adulthood = Something is wrong

Fin gyno usually associated with higher doses (5mg) for people that use it for prostate instead of 1mg or 0.5mg used for hair loss. Though each body is unique and anything is possible.
I would monitor it closely, change lifestyle. If it starts getting worse, stop or get gyno surgery (it is expensive though, couple k). Check your T levels.

>>18478183
You're fine. Your hair is wet, which makes it look thinner. Yeah, you have some thinning but nothing terrible

>>18480139
that's literally 5 minutes
get a pill organizer

>>18480040
bro there's so much exposure we get to bullshit in the environment and in our food. i'm around the same age and i've been systematically going through the list and telling all my friends they should get their t checked. its always a game changer when they get it fixed. i know two guys who wound up with high prolactin and gyno from their military service (radiation-induced hyperprolactinemia for one ptsd/psych meds for the other)

>>18480115
like 2-3mo but it took like 8-9 to hit equilibrium where i stopped getting big sheds.

Coomer on Finasteride for 1,5 months here

I just figured out the cause of my sudden onset of balding at 35 (went from thick hair and perfect hairline to Norwood 2 in 1 year, at 35, with no family history, hairdresser was floored but reassured me it was due to stress)

It's been my shampoo causing it.

>>18480208
post the shampoo or ingredient list anon

>>18480221
I searched on Reddit and apparently a lot of people have reported concerns with that particular shampoo. Here was my process:

I stepped out of the shower yesterday and (once again), my hairs felt like literal steel wires. Dry, brittle, fragile, not at all like hair. This has been a theme for many months but yesterday was exceptional, I felt my hair and it was like I had some foreign object on my hair. It felt like actual steel.

Unrelated to everything, I was watching an Ian Carroll video and he referenced another conspiracy video he had made on most shampoo brands being tied to hair loss. I asked GPT for more information and it listed the harmful ingredients:
>DMDM Hydantoin
>Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS) / Sodium Laureth Sulfate (SLES)
>Fragrance (Parfum)
>Silicones (e.g., Dimethicone, Amodimethicone)
>Alcohol Denat (Denatured Alcohol)

I then pasted the ingredients of the shampoos I had been using over the past year(s). While doing so, I also checked Reddit and funnily enough, the exact bottles I had been using had a lot of threads on them with concerns. I typically switch between brands and thinking back, I recall my hair being better when I was on some brands as opposed to others. As of the past few months, when my shedding kept getting worse (despite being on Fin, posted on here about it), I had been using L'Oreal products (and Reddit contained a lot of threads on the particular brands I used: Loreal Paris Elvital Hyaluron Plump and Loreal Paris Elvital Nutri Gloss).

I'll post the ingredients in the following post.

>>18480221
>>18480227
I asked ChatGPT about the ingredients of the shampoos I had been using, a long with a severity rating between 1–10.

Good options, GPT rated 8,5–9/10. My two shampoos got 2,5–3/10 respectively.

Nutri Gloss:
>1258419 E - Ingredients: Aqua / Water, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Glycol Distearate, Sodium Chloride, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Dimethicone, Ci 17200 / Red 33, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Cocamide Mea, Coco-Betaine, Nacre Powder, Cocos Nucifera Oil / Coconut Oil, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Hydroxide, Steareth-6, Phenoxyethanol, Acetic Acid, Peg-100 Stearate, Trideceth-10, Trideceth-3, Salicylic Acid, Limonene, Fumaric Acid, Linalool, Benzyl Alcohol, Amodimethicone, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Carbomer, Citric Acid, Citronellol, Hexylene Glycol, Hexyl Cinnamal, Parfum / Fragrance (F.I.L. Z298506/2).

Hyaluron Plump:
>1239839 G5 - Ingredients: Aqua / Water, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Glycol Distearate, Sodium Chloride, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Dimethicone, Ci 60730 / Ext. Violet 2, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Cocamide Mea, Coco-Betaine, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Hydroxide, Sodium Hyaluronate, Steareth-6, Phenoxyethanol, Acetic Acid, Peg-100 Stearate, Trideceth-10, Trideceth-3, Salicylic Acid, Limonene, Fumaric Acid, Amodimethicone, Carbomer, Citric Acid, Hexylene Glycol, Parfum / Fragrance (F.I.L. Z70045709/1).

These shampoos are outright hazardous and each time I stepped out of the shower, my hair looked, felt and became worse. I showered 5–7 times a week because I exercise daily and I shampoo'd with this shit each time.

>>18480227
>>18480232
interesting info. i'll look into this

if you want to go to the extreme opposite you can look for the no-poo method which involves not using any shampoo, but adaptation is a bit of a hassle and it may not work for all individuals (some have more odor on scalp scalp etc). but of course there are tons of other options that will not cause hair loss. in any case i appreciate the posts

>>18480227
interesting... because i suspected this entire time my hair loss was related to hair products.
>Based on the ingredient list you provided for Aveda Invati Men Nourishing Exfoliating Shampoo, several ingredients could potentially irritate a sensitive scalp. Here’s a breakdown of what to look out for:
>1. Sodium Chloride (Salt)
>2. Menthol
>3. Fragrance (Parfum)
>4. Linalool, Eugenol, Geraniol, Citronellol, Citral, Benzyl Benzoate, Limonene
>5. Cocamide MIPA
>6. Phenoxyethanol
>7. Salicylic Acid
>8. Sodium Lauroyl Methyl Isethionate
>9. Citric Acid
>10. Glyceryl Caprylate
>11. Simethicone and Methyl Trimethicone
>12. Acrylates/Dimethicone Copolymer
do we need to come up with a list of /fa/ approved shampoos for various hair/skin types?
i'm starting to think it might be a good idea...

>>18480239
or make your own shampoos. i might start doing that now. nopoo gave me oil imbalance issues and really bad dandruff but it works for some people.

>>18480244
Very, very interesting. I see a lot of threads on it on Reddit, too. I made a thread myself but got little traction. For a good shampoo, I was researching tea tree shampoo myself.

>>18480239
Yeah, my hair is (was) very thick so I need to clean it regularly, I need some form of shampoo, but if these cheap big brands got a 2–3 from GPT and there are others that got 8–9, that is good

>>18480247
post the prompts to get gpt to give out number rated ingredients list scores, would be helpful for everyone.

why does this general make people so schizo. if you dont want to take fin dont take it.

>>18480277
bald guys who are scared of fin need to validate their choice by making others drop fin. if they watch others take fin with zero issues and maintain nice hair they get suicidal.

>>18479972
>Nizoral can cause rapid heartbeat, alopecia, difficulty breathing.
you left out gynecomastia. probably because you'd prefer if people were uninformed about the fact that nizoral can cause gynecomastia too.

>>18480278
it literally costs 3k at some turkroach "doctor" to get to a NW2. just go get a job and save up a little. jesus h christ man.

>>18480277
>>18480278
hey right on time when the shift starts. it's back to the old routine.
>notice he's done nothing to rebuke my claims about the side effects of finasteride
>other than call me names, attempt to side-track the conversation and attempt to use classical conditioning to get the reader to associate me with "schizo" by samefagging and saying it over and over again in some sad attempt to discredit me.

>>18480283
you posted studies that have nothing to do with fin. I can only assume it's chatGPT slop. get a job you bum.

>Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.
we should probably add that it can cause gynecomastia and alopecia to the next OP huh?

>>18480283
what is there to rebuke? 1-2% get unfortunate sides, sucks for them, but the majority tolerate fin/dut just fine.
pfs has zero evidence, why waste time even acknowledging it? might as well go debate flat earthers and waste an entire day.

>>18480285
>New research finds finasteride (Propecia) causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>>18480287
keto shampoo inhibits dht for a whole 15 minutes maybe. wont do shit by itself.

>>18480289
what is there to rebuke?
>New research finds finasteride (Propecia) causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>I can only assume it's chatGPT slop
>schizo
>get a job
its seething so hard. paid shill btw. starts the day around 9-10am est.

>>18480289
EMEA recently confirmed this.
>However, the committee concluded that the benefits of both finasteride and dutasteride continued to outweigh their risks for all approved uses.
NHS & FDA agree as well.
>>18480291
>2012
>in rats with different systems to humans
>at dosages not relative to their bodies
Did you know oral minox can kill you if the dosage is too high?

>>18480293
>wont do shit by itself.
Gynecomastia is a _COMMON_ side effect of ketoconazole treatment. liar rat kike demon jew.

Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
>Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

>>18480297
a study being a decade old somehow makes it invalid?
the reader should note, this is a paid shill i'm arguing with. he wants you to take tranny sex change drugs. he's also a pedophile troon. literally posted child porn a few weeks ago on /fa/.

>>18480301
look at you not addressing any actual points. I bet you just read the abstract. keep coping with your NW4 though.

>>18480297
minox kills cats instantly at any dosage btw.

>>18480299
do you even read the studies you post? it says they used it orally, bot in a shampoo. youre not making your case look stringer FYI, you just make yourself look dumb and illiterate which might make people even less likely to believe you. do better lad.

>>18480302
>look at you not addressing any actual points
you have no points.
all you're hoping to do is sew confusion with uneducated readers.
but i'm pretty sure most people know they do biomed research on rats because they have very close anatomic and genetic similarity to humans.

>in rats with different systems to humans
>Rodents have long been the preferred species of lab animals in biomedical research, with sporadic experiments on common brown rats stemming back 150 years. Though laboratory animal research continues to pose ethical questions, particularly with respect to animal welfare, the scientific achievements linked to lab rats are innumerous. This primarily relates to the extraordinary anatomical, genetic, and physiological similarities between humans and rodents.

>continued to outweigh their risks for all approved uses.
we're back to "blindly trust big pharma goy"
the risks are your dick shrinking, suicidal thoughts, loss of all sexual function permanently.
let people make their own choice if that's worth it shill.

>>18480307
and?
if it's causing people to grow tits AFTER passing the liver
why would skipping the liver make them not grow tits?
you know nothing about medicine my low iq friend. i do. i'm not leaving.
>Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment. Symptoms abated despite continued therapy. This appears to be a direct drug effect on breast tissue.

>>18480313
maybe you should consider your scalp doesnt absorb a whole lot of it systematically and the people in the study used gigantic dosages on top of taking it orally. if you use keto shampoo the average guy uses like 5ml at once which means 100mg, of which maybe 1 or 2mg is absorbed. the guys in your study meanwhile consumed up to 800mg orally. but i know you dont care about "technicalities " like this so im just wasting my time.

>>18480316
the fact it has a direct effect on breast tissue should be known and in the op retard. we just had a guy with gyno who PROBABLY SHOULD KNOW THAT IF HE EVER WERE TO USE IT. fuck off retard i know my shit and i will sit in here and call you out from now on. go away. kill yourself.

>>18480319
yeah i spilled a beer on my pants once, thats the same as chugging a bottle of vodka in one go. incredible reasoning retard.

>>18480321
hey maybe since we've established you're a complete layman, brown retard paid shill, troon probably, 90iq at most and aren't qualified to say shit about medicine you should just stop posting like you're some kind of doctor on 4chan and go kill yourself.

>>18480321
blud you don't know why rats are used before human trials in biomed research youre not an expert my low iq friend you're just a deranged narcissist who wants to hurt "chuds"
you should probably go kill yourself unc.

>>18480326
i wonder if there really are people who read posts like this and think "wow what a smart person".

>>18480330
huh?
my low iq friend you clearly don't know even the simplest of things like why rodents are used in pharmacological studies.
you have a mental disorder called narcissistic personality disorder that makes you think you're smarter than you are.
you're not qualified to be giving medical advice.

>>18480330
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_injury
my low iq friend thinks he's so smart but "the chud" knows more about medicine than him. it's obvious for anyone to see. sucks to be low iq and brown.

>>18480330
blud you didn't know how drugs are metabolized 5min ago.
you should not be calling the shots when it comes to drug interactions.
aren't you some kind of weird shill who works the same hours every day?

>but goyim it's perfectly okay to withhold information about how ketoconazole directly interacts with breast tissue.
>they're all chuds and incels who should kill themselves anyways!! (i don't even have to exaggerate, he couldn't resist posting that sort of stuff earlier)
why's it work the same hours every day? it'll stop the same time tonight.

if the reddit haircare and skincare subs get paid industry shills everyone knows about..... why wouldn't 4chan?

you guys should look into making your own haircare products. i'm just starting to get into it, the learning curve is knowing exactly what you need -- but it's the same issue you have buying product.
put exactly what you want in, no fragrances, and it's usually very economical. like for sea salt spray cloning the one i use 1:1 i can get a bottle of it from $20 on amazon or i can get the ingredients to make about 4L of a clone recipe of it for $30. and since i don't need to mix it all at once i can leave out the fragrances and preservatives and one chemical i didn't like on the ingredient list.

>>18480260
I started the session with:
"what ingredients in schampoo like ogx cause hair loss?"

And then asked about the ingredients of the product:
"Does this include any of that?
INGREDIENTS: AQUA / WATER • SODIUM E42LAURETH SULFATE • GLYCOL DISTEARATE • SODIUM CHLORIDE • COCAMIDOPROPYL BETAINE • DIMETHICONE • CI60730 / EXT. VIOLET2 • GUAR HYDROXYPROPYLTRIMONIUM CHLORIDE • COCAMIDE MEA • COCO-BETAINE • SODIUM BENZOATE • SODIUM HYDROXIDE • SODIUM HYALURONATE • PHENOXYETHANOL • STEARETH-6 • ACETIC ACID • PEG-100 STEARATE • TRIDECETH-10 • TRIDECETH-3 • SALICYLIC ACID • FUMARIC ACID • AMODIMETHICONE • CARBOMER • CITRIC ACID • HEXYLENE GLYCOL • PARFUM / FRAGRANCE."

>>18480277
Lol. I've been on Fin for 1,5 months and I am not going to stop. You can do two things at the same time.

>>18480405
Results, btw (high rating = good):
> Loreal Paris Elvital Hyaluron Plump – 3.5 / 10
>Curl cream I bought a few months ago – 8 / 10
> Loreal Paris Elvital Nutri Gloss – 2.5 / 10
>Tea tree shampoo – 9 / 10

Cheap L'Oreal shit, it's all chemicals, I dare you to read the ingredients in your shampoo bottle, it's all -ol's and -ate's. Imagine bathing your hair in alcohol, acids, silicone and perfume every day, it can't possibly be good for your hair follicles.

>>18480405
lol same i'm "the schizo" and i've been taking fin around 10-11 years. i just want people to get accurate info so they can make informed decisions based on their own situation in life.
they don't send the finest shills these days.
if they have guys sitting in here all day shilling against anons having knowledge of all the side effects from these chemicals, it probably means it's pretty important to get the word out.

check it out the shill's in this thread now >>18480191
are normal people this obsessive about people on 4chan not getting a transparent education on the potential side effects of the drugs he's in here 5 days a week starting 9-10am est every morning shilling?
ever notice that's the same time the spam threads start getting posted every day too?
and he gets off at the same time every day?

>>18480330
what kind of job do you have that gives you the free time to shill tranny meds on 4chan and ruin the denim thread for about 60 hours every week during the middle of the work day?

It's quite ironic how this retard can act like he is part of some noble cause exposing finasteride when not that long ago he was attempting to shill literal HRT (spiro) to young men. Nothing you post will never not have malicious, you also just sound insane and are accomplishing the opposite lol.

It's quite ironic how this retard can act like he is part of some noble cause exposing finasteride when not that long ago he was attempting to shill literal HRT (spiro) to young men. Nothing you post will never not have malicious undertones. You also just sound insane and are accomplishing the opposite lol.

>>18480431
>It's quite ironic how this retard can act like he is part of some noble cause exposing finasteride when not that long ago he was attempting to shill literal HRT (spiro) to young men. Nothing you post will never not have malicious, you also just sound insane and are accomplishing the opposite lol.
(he deleted this lmfao)
what are you even rambling about retard?
you are the one who was shilling spiro and i'm the one who got the warning about you added to the OP.
narcissists attempt to invert roles as a defense mechanism just so the reader knows. that's why he's saying such odd things.

>>18480434
There was a typo I just woke up give it a rest. Yeah it was definitely me shilling it and not you lol. Again you sound insane, conceding to finasteride in one sentence while shilling a laundry list of chemicals and acids in another. You need help, think of the people around you (if there are any left) in real life when you go on these rants.

>>18480439
you are just trying to use old stasi tactics
(invert the criminal and victim)
which originate from the protocols of the learned elders of zion. snooooze get new tactics ugly ass jewtroon. geuinely low iq commietard blow your brains out.
you are the spiro shill. i am one of several anti spiro anons. spiro can give great results -- should probably only take it if you're a troon, a gay bottom or already have kids.

>retard losing his hair
>thinks it's the shampoo and not the DHT coursing through his bloodstream
You're on your way to becoming that wojak NW5 comic.

>>18480447
if it's a weird pattern then its not impossible. but yeah if you have an average receding hairline then a shampoo didnt do that lmao.

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>>18480447
hey anons.
how come he spends 60 hours a week in this thread but he sees you as "retards losing their hair"?
doesn't make much sense innit?
is that someone you should trust with your health?

>>18480449
the anon he's talking about posted a pic of a weird pattern and grew it all back without fin. and has a dermatologist's diagnosis.
this has been stated multiple times, he's just attempting to slander me/sidetrack conversation away from:

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>>18480446
The fuck are you even talking about? It's a 4chan thread about helping people not go bald. The parallels you are trying to draw are completely unhinged, you even managed to somehow shill spiro directly after denouncing it within the same sentence lol. I'm only giving you the time of day because the thread is cooked and about to 404 by the way. I'll leave you with this question: Do you truly believe calling someone a nazi, a jew and a commie in the same paragraph makes anybody on the fence about this look at you and think "Yeah this guy knows what he's talking about?"

>>18480450
stop spamming
nobody is gonna take health advice from a retard who accuses everyone else of the very thing they're doing, you even admitted you wake up and start spamming.

>>18480449
i was _already on fin for 10 years_ when my hair fell out.
its all back now half a year later. npnp.

>nobody is gonna take health advice from a retard who accuses everyone else of the very thing they're doing
hey you made your case for me.
that's why no one should listen to you. nah i'll keep telling people that:

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>>18480453
>It's a 4chan thread about helping people not go bald.
then explain why you have spent over 13 hours shilling against transparent disclosure of the side effects of the medications you are telling people to take?
what kind of normal person has 13 hours to dedicate to this?

what kind of job gives you the free time to shill balding medication on 4chan and shit up the denim thread for 60 hours a week during the middle of the work day 5 days a week, during the middle of the work day?
why are you using saul alinsky tactics? do normal people think like that?

>>18480428
If it was a tranny med, it would be shilled constantly in the media as a must-take regiment from very young age for luscious hair, especially now that it's generic. They would've even put it in the water and everyone would've taken it.

Yet, we hear nothing about Finasteride. I didn't even know hair loss could be treated before this year. That's how effective it is.

>Anon providing unique, anecdotal research in a thread where everyone is a retard. Says a bit about him too

>>18480462
the media are medical experts now? that's the expert i'm supposed to defer to for medical questions? hollywood and tmz?
your arguments are weak because you are a low iq brown communist nonpassing troon pedophile.

>16:36:21
>16:37:30
lol
"guys i'm two people this makes me more credible"
do normal people do this or only weird shills?
why does he post the same hours every day 5 days a week totaling 60 hours a week like its a job?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
it's going to try to slander me, sew confusion, and derail away from productive conversation as much as possible. shift the focus onto slandering me. using pavlovian conditioning and samefagging to smear anyone talking about side effects and paint them as "schizos" while at the same time demonstrating they don't know anything about pharmacology. they still use the same old script.

some of the conversations they don't want us having are probably stuff like how it's probably a good idea (and much cheaper!) to make your own hair product and there's resources, clone recipes, TONS of info to learn about what's in hair product and why you may or may not want to use it, etc to be found online.
most hair product contains all sorts of fragrance chemicals all of which are linked to alopecia and scalp irritation and oil overproduction. throw 9 different fragrant chemicals in each product you use and even if its a small group of people each one affects you're bound to get hit by one of the shotgun pellets especially as you use different product throughout life.
simply not having fragrance in your DIY eliminates all that risk.

they probably also don't want you knowing that finasteride shrinks your cock or how ketoconazole causes you to grow breasts. as a _COMMON_ side effect for both.

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>>18480457
Yeah bro a fucking rat model is better representation than human trials lol. You are a sad balding guy who wants to take everyone with you because it is "natural" and because some pictures of Nazis with receding hairlines exist. That is quite literally the ethos of your entire campaign against preventing hairloss. You come off as an Alex Jones Kanye West hybrid which is quite antithetical to what you probably view yourself as. Do some introspection before you end up ruining your life for real.

>>18480482
it doesn't work that way, my low iq friend. the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of tissue. i don't think it's "voodoo" to say finasteride shrinks male reproductive tissue considering it is very well established that finasteride shrinks the prostate by at least 20%. and it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
it's clear as day to anyone reading that you don't know a single thing about pharmacology and you're 90iq max.
you probably should lurk and not give medical advice on the internet, weird sociopath.

>>18480465
Idk who is arguing what anymore.

I responded to the person calling Finasteride a tranny drug. I said if it were a tranny drug, Hollywood and TMZ would shill the shit out of it, so we all became trans.

They aren't, so it's not a tranny drug.

>>18480488
fair if you're not the shill i can't tell.
they do shill the fuck out of it tho. every social media influencer and geezer actor has a ht. obsession of self image isn't pushed by hollywood? anon you may want to rethink what you just said that's kind of the main thing they're known for.....

>>18480487
Let's not talk about finasteride for a moment. Riddle me this, if we were to boil down the pharmacological industry to the very base, ie. who stands to profit the most as a singular entity, whom would that be, in your opinion? Let's throw in the male beauty standard sentiments pushed by Hollywood and so on.

>Idk who is arguing what anymore.
that's the point of what the shill's been doing. it doesn't know anything about medicine and i'm educated. so now it's just trying to make this confusing to read/follow since it can't refute anything i've said.

>>18480492
the long nose, tiny hat people.

make this the next OP pic

>>18480493
Ok so your entire campaign is actually based on Nazism just like I thought.

>campaign
no i just want accurate information on the side effects of these medications to be openly shared good sir.
the people taking the lion's share of profit off of finasteride specifically are the merck family -- old german nobility.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/merck-ceo-sees-firms-future-intertwined-with-israels/

>>18480489
I am talking about Finasteride you fucking retard. Tell me one celebrity who admits they are on the drug. It is far from normalized, judge by the quantity of shills alone.

>>18480527
i don't need to speculate on the motive to say finasteride commonly has long term permanent and irreversible sexual, physiological and reproductive side effects.
what would motivate a normal person to spend so many hours of their day arguing that information about the side effects of finasteride shouldn't be talked about?
what job allows you to have this much free time during the middle of the work day to shill against accurate medical information about finasteride such as:

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

It would be wise to take this information to /pol/ where people would be more receptive. You may be right you may be wrong however that is irrelevant to the entire point of these threads. Want to not go bald? This is how you do it. You wouldn't post on other threads here critiquing the ethics or harm cased by sourcing certain materials for clothes in unfavorable ways, or who stands to profit. Like for real hair meds are a miniscule drop in the bucket compared to the sea of medications out there. You are not swaying someone who has decided that hair is important, as you've said they take straight up HRT in some cases. Its not optional to disregard fin or dut and keep your hair, thats just what it is.

>18480535
hey shill it would be wise to slow down posting to make it less obvious.
do normal people behave this way?
is this the normal flow of a good faith conversation?
the reader should be alarmed that they dedicate so much time and effort to shilling you tranny meds and hiding the side effects.

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>>18480537
Hair loss meds actually. Post your alternative medicine tinctures again so you can get laughed at.

>It would be wise to take this information to /pol/ where people would be more receptive. You may be right you may be wrong however that is irrelevant to the entire point of these threads. Want to not go bald? This is how you do it. You wouldn't post on other threads here critiquing the ethics or harm cased by sourcing certain materials for clothes in unfavorable ways, or who stands to profit. Like for real hair meds are a miniscule drop in the bucket compared to the sea of medications out there. You are not swaying someone who has decided that hair is important, as you've said they take straight up HRT in some cases. Its not optional to disregard fin or dut and keep your hair, thats just what it is.
the reader should note it can not speak in good faith and every single thing it says is a lie. normal people don't talk this way.
i have remained consistent: accurate information on the COMMON side effects of finasteride and ketoconazole should be in the OP post and also openly discussed. i take finasteride and i think people should be able to make their own informed decision taking into account potential risks.
there's nothing you can say to argue against that.
do normal people have multi day freak-outs over people on 4chan talking about the side effects of hair loss meds?
seems like a shill huh.

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

> Post your alternative medicine tinctures again so you can get laughed at.
scroll up retarded nigger >>18479955 i showed 100% recovery of my sebderm hair loss.

>>18480541
No you didn't. Zoom out like your original image. I knew it would come in handy for your return

>>18480571
that's not me retardo we don't even have the same hair color are you a blind retard?

>>18480572
Yes it is lol. Dont be ashamed. Zoom out if it's not you.

4chan is such a bad environment for these debates lol. As an outside observer, it’s basically impossible to follow. Probably you’re both annoying and retarded, so please stop spamming this thread. We don’t need the thread to be flooded with repeat posts. That benefits nobody. If you need to have these arguments that fucking bad, perhaps consider making a separate finasteride debate general. The rest of us would like our thread back now. Cheers!

>>18480574
unc what is you talking about that is not even close to my hair color

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>There are videos of Purdue Pharma CEOs admitting before congress their company targeted White people with opioid and heroin, particularly those from small towns.
>"We used Indian doctors to continue prescribing these pain medicines because it was easier; they had no connection to the locals".
>Last month a court ruled the Sackler family, a jewish migrant, will be protected from civil lawsuits.
>The CEOs admitted to bringing Indian doctors into the US, providing them with work and permit visas and using them to prescribe addictive drugs to White people.

>>18480583
Brother it is definitely you. Obscuring the ear in that shape is not clever!

>>18480583
late 30's btw
literally nothing you can talk shit about nigger i mog you ugly ass.

>>18480592
how is it me if i have a completely different shaped skull, non-receding temples and a different natural hair color?
>sew confusion

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>>18480595
Lmao you have all of those things it's just a different angle and different lighting with a haircut. You even clearly photoshopped something here as well, unless your hair naturally has stark gradient lines.

>>18480598
forgot image

kinda funny some other guy who wears workwear was posting the same day but hey retarded nigger a lot of white guys wear flannels. not me.
his hair looks great btw. i don't use pomade in my hair i use clay or cream.
i usually rock chin or shoulder length hair but i shaved my head for funsies and to make minox easier to apply. growing it back out again with detached undercuts the ~zoomer social media trend~ way because it's supposed to avoid the softball head phase. grow the top first sides after.
my hair isn't orange tone its dirty golden blonde. clearly natural without highlights.
whole diff anon.

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>18480599
what do you think i photoshopped?
i just threw minox in my hair and air dried it unstyled. in 4 hours when i wash it out and style my hair want me to do a slickback and post it or something? christ that is literally NOT me.

>>18480602
If I had to guess dodge tool and pasted the entire scalp forward. You just missed that one spot and left a rough edge

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>18480604
nah. i don't think so. i just have a wee bit of thinning in the temples, nothing serious for late 30's.
different anon retardo.

>>18480613
We are entitled to our opinions

>>18480457
>i was _already on fin for 10 years_ when my hair fell out.
Your dick shrunk because you got fat lmao.

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>>18480625
i'm fat? i'm kinda a thicc boy but don't make be blush like that anon.
cmon man don't make me post my cock on 4chan this isn't old /b/

"Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment. This appears to be a direct drug effect on breast tissue."
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
it's very well medically established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning.
not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.

>Rodents have long been the preferred species of lab animals in biomedical research, with sporadic experiments on common brown rats stemming back 150 years. Though laboratory animal research continues to pose ethical questions, particularly with respect to animal welfare, the scientific achievements linked to lab rats are innumerous. This primarily relates to the extraordinary anatomical, genetic, and physiological similarities between humans and rodents.
https://www.kentscientific.com/blog/why-rats-used-research/

yeash guy's getting desperate. one last push for the PFS brigade.

hey interesting!
the janny just removed every post critical of finasteride and left every other post up!

"Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment. This appears to be a direct drug effect on breast tissue."
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
it's very well medically established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning.
not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.

>>18480764
Your symptoms were placebo. Get over it.

hey anons pay attention and notice how this influx of shill posts will completely stop around 6-9pm est tonight...
isn't that suspicious?

"Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment. This appears to be a direct drug effect on breast tissue."
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
it's very well medically established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning.
not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.

>18480768
anon i have no idea what you're talking about. i'm here to discuss the health risks of finasteride and ketoconazole.

"Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment. This appears to be a direct drug effect on breast tissue."
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
it's very well medically established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning.
not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.

How to Look Up the Money Your Doctor Is Getting From Big Pharma:
https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov/
This is just the shill money your doctor is taking ABOVE the table and does not include the kickbacks, vacations, boats and cars, etc.

>How many people have died in war? At least 108 million people were killed in wars in the twentieth century. Estimates for the total number killed in wars throughout all of human history range from 150 million to 1 billion.
>Roughly 121 million unintended pregnancies occurred each year between 2015 and 2019.*
>Of these unintended pregnancies, 61% ended in abortion. This translates to 73 million abortions per year.

Texas Planned Parenthood Can Deliver Live Fetuses To Sell Body Parts, Admits: “F***ing Evil”
https://youtu.be/s1WcII0F5-A

Planned Parenthood Headquarters Seeks $1,500 “Financial Incentive” Per Aborted Fetal Liver
https://youtu.be/_1kDkgS1vpg

Planned Parenthood “Lamborghini” Exec Haggles Again Over Baby Parts Prices
https://youtu.be/6LPlHjP1DVw

Second Planned Parenthood Senior Executive Haggles Over Baby Parts Prices, Changes Abortion Methods
https://youtu.be/MjCs_gvImyw

Planned Parenthood Abortionist: “Pay Attention To Who’s In The Room” To Deal With Infants Born Alive
https://youtu.be/aeINzcwb3qU

hey interesting!
the janny just removed every post critical of finasteride and left every other post up!
twice!

"Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment. This appears to be a direct drug effect on breast tissue."
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
it's very well medically established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning.
not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.

How to Look Up the Money Your Doctor Is Getting From Big Pharma:
https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov/
This is just the shill money your doctor is taking ABOVE the table and does not include the kickbacks, vacations, boats and cars, etc.

>How many people have died in war? At least 108 million people were killed in wars in the twentieth century. Estimates for the total number killed in wars throughout all of human history range from 150 million to 1 billion.
>Roughly 121 million unintended pregnancies occurred each year between 2015 and 2019.*
>Of these unintended pregnancies, 61% ended in abortion. This translates to 73 million abortions per year.

Texas Planned Parenthood Can Deliver Live Fetuses To Sell Body Parts, Admits: “F***ing Evil”
https://youtu.be/s1WcII0F5-A

Planned Parenthood Headquarters Seeks $1,500 “Financial Incentive” Per Aborted Fetal Liver
https://youtu.be/_1kDkgS1vpg

Planned Parenthood “Lamborghini” Exec Haggles Again Over Baby Parts Prices
https://youtu.be/6LPlHjP1DVw

Second Planned Parenthood Senior Executive Haggles Over Baby Parts Prices, Changes Abortion Methods
https://youtu.be/MjCs_gvImyw

Planned Parenthood Abortionist: “Pay Attention To Who’s In The Room” To Deal With Infants Born Alive
https://youtu.be/aeINzcwb3qU

https://www.timesofisrael.com/merck-ceo-sees-firms-future-intertwined-with-israels/

dozens of forums talking about anhedonia and sexual dysfunction that lasted years after they got off finasteride...
the janny just removed every post critical of finasteride and left every other post up six times.

"Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment. This appears to be a direct drug effect on breast tissue."
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

Israel Innovation makes up half of Merck healthcare revenue, top official says.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/merck-ceo-sees-firms-future-intertwined-with-israels/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
it's very well medically established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning.
not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.

I’m sure some people get some fucked up side effects, but that risk was obvious from the start. I don’t know how it works in other countries, but in Canada they have to make all that stuff pretty clear. I know what risk I’m taking.

I’m a little more than a month in and so far so good. Hopefully I get to keep my hair. Regrowth would be awesome but I’d be happy with stability too. I’m about a NW3 which is tolerable.

dozens of forums talking about anhedonia and sexual dysfunction that lasted years after they got off finasteride...
the janny just removed every post critical of finasteride and left every other post up six times.

"Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment. This appears to be a direct drug effect on breast tissue."
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

Israel Innovation makes up half of Merck healthcare revenue, top official says.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/merck-ceo-sees-firms-future-intertwined-with-israels/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
it's very well medically established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning.
not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.

>but anon it's rare!!!!
side effects above 1% incidence are considered common side effects fuck off nigger.

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>Studies have found penile shrinkage and other sexual dysfunctions to be a side effect of finasteride and dutasteride, common anti-baldness medications.
>Control groups that received dutasteride (C + D) or finasteride (C + F) showed a reduced cross-sectional penile area (39.4% and 40.1%, respectively) compared to Group C.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6116690/

Israel Innovation makes up half of Merck healthcare revenue, top official says.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/merck-ceo-sees-firms-future-intertwined-with-israels/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
- well established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
- well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
- rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning. not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.
>but anon it's rare!!!!
>1% incidence = common side effect.

Finasteride is primarily manufactured by Merck & Co
>Israel Innovation makes up half of Merck healthcare revenue, top official says.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/merck-ceo-sees-firms-future-intertwined-with-israels/

Merck CEO sees firm’s future intertwined with Israel’s
https://www.timesofisrael.com/merck-ceo-sees-firms-future-intertwined-with-israels/

Israel innovation makes up half of Merck healthcare revenue, top official says
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-innovation-makes-up-half-of-merck-healthcare-revenue-top-official-says/

Merck Researchers intentionally witheld research leading to over 40,000 deaths: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/333345573/#333345573

Talmud:
> Gentiles are neither to be lifted [out of a well] nor hauled down [into it].
Avodah Zarah, p26b. https://www.sefaria.org/Avodah_Zarah.26b

Shulchan Arukh:
> and those who deny the Torah or Jewish prophecy, there is a mitzvah to remove them. If there is a way to remove them publicly, we would do so. If not, we would use excuses to remove them. How so? If one saw one of them fall into a pit and the ladder is in the pit, he would come and remove the ladder and say he is busy taking his son down from the roof and he will return the ladder, or something similar.
https://www.sefaria.org/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Choshen_Mishpat.425.5?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en

Shulchan Arukh:
> Thus, one must not heal them, even for payment, unless there is reason [to save them] on the grounds of [preventing] hatred [of Jews].
https://www.sefaria.org/Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Yoreh_De'ah.158.1?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en

this jewish belief comes from the 'rabbi and the ladder' story you may have heard before.
and if you scroll up from that part of the talmud (Avodah Zarah p26) it basically reads:
> No! Lies will bring us closer to our father satan than money! Therefore the jew should lie and let the goy die than save him for shekels!

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>Studies have found penile shrinkage and other sexual dysfunctions to be a side effect of finasteride and dutasteride, common anti-baldness medications.
>Control groups that received dutasteride (C + D) or finasteride (C + F) showed a reduced cross-sectional penile area (39.4% and 40.1%, respectively) compared to Group C.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6116690/

Israel Innovation makes up half of Merck healthcare revenue, top official says.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/merck-ceo-sees-firms-future-intertwined-with-israels/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
- well established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
- well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
- rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning. not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.
>but anon it's rare!!!!
>1% incidence = common side effect.

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>Studies have found penile shrinkage and other sexual dysfunctions to be a side effect of finasteride and dutasteride, common anti-baldness medications.
>Control groups that received dutasteride (C + D) or finasteride (C + F) showed a reduced cross-sectional penile area (39.4% and 40.1%, respectively) compared to Group C.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6116690/

Israel Innovation makes up half of Merck healthcare revenue, top official says.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/merck-ceo-sees-firms-future-intertwined-with-israels/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
- well established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
- well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
- rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning. not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.
>but anon it's rare!!!!
>1% incidence = common side effect.

isnt is weird how the shill's just gone all the sudden?
he starts at 9am est, got off at 8-9est. same every day. 5 a week.

here's an archive of the thread with all removed posts: https://warosu.org/fa/thread/18473595

>>18480967
Maybe nobody wants to engage with an insane person spamming walls of text to himself all day long.

>>18480975
doesn't add up. he spent all day long engaging until his shift was over, at the exact same time i said he gets off every day this morning.
odd how he starts and stops at the same time every morning isn't it?

This thread isn't even on page 10, don't post in the new schizo general.

>>18481037
talking about the potentially permanent, common sexual side effects of finasteride and dutasteride is not schizo. if you think any statement is incorrect in this post feel free to correct it!

fin/dut work by inhibiting enzyme 5α-reductase from producing GABAa.
the following are common (>1%) side effects of finasteride:
penile atrophy
erectile dysfunction
diminished ejaculatory volume and force
loss of all sexual or romantic desire
anhedonia (lack of pleasure)
depression
suicidal thoughts
all of these can persist permanently even if you stop taking the drug immediately.

>The chance of having a drug side effect generally falls in these ranges: Very common: affecting more than 1 in 10 people (>10%) Common: affecting between 1 in 10 people to 1 in 100 people (1% to 10%) Uncommon: affecting between 1 in 100 to 1 in 1,000 people (1% and 0.1%)

>>18481037
don't you think it's a bit irresponsible to be calling common 1-2%+ chance side effects of fin/dut "ultra rare"?
would you play a 1 in 100 round of russian roulette right now?
The chance of having a drug side effect generally falls in these ranges: Very common: affecting more than 1 in 10 people (>10%) Common: affecting between 1 in 10 people to 1 in 100 people (1% to 10%) Uncommon: affecting between 1 in 100 to 1 in 1,000 people (1% and 0.1%)

>>18481052
NTA but a 1 in 100? Yeah I would personally depending on what I'm playing for. However these odds are very misleading. Even IF we were to denounce many studies and instead attribute DHT to basically the healthy function of every aspect of your life by drawing parallels which simply don't exist then we surely don't end up with 1:100 odds. With over 9 million scripts in the US alone, this should put 100k people with severe and irreparable damage. If we extrapolate to worldwide that number should surely exceed the million mark especially with Asia included. Where are these people? We have what? Like one diva in the UK who killed himself because finasteride didn't work and the parents want to sue? The PFS network has a handful of timid and mentally unstable guys seeking attention and approval from other men because they are losers. Check out the similarities between that community and the baldcafe one, it's chilling. In summary encompassing known "victims" puts your adds closer to 1:500k and I'll take that bet every day.

>>18481051
>>18481052
>>18481373
Take your fucking risperidone, schizo

>>18481398
How can you be sure that the jews are not feeding you bad info about PFS in order to make you fight against another tribe of jews who profit from finasteride because they want a slice? Its so crazy that it might be true.. damn dude they've been playing you this entire time.

I have thick long hair that gets very frizzy when brushed (like ridiculously so) less so if brushed after a shower but still frizzy (little bits stick up all over, it doesn't look tamed). If I take showers and don't brush, it's sort of loosely curly. Not full on kike curls but curly nevertheless. Advice on how to deal with it? What kind of products I could use to deal with it and make it look more or less good for what it is?