Thread 18489024

/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!
Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/Balding

Reminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.

Holy trinity:
Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride
Lotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil
Shampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoconazole

Finasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.
5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.
5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.
0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.

Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.
These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.
Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.

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Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.

Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.

Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.

Previous thread: >>18480968

These are long term treatments which require consistent and continued use to see results. You need to be patient when expecting hair regrowth and everybody responds differently.

A general timeframe for results from Minoxidil:
- Initial shed 2 weeks to a month into treatment. This will mark the beginning stage of the treatment working. Some people shed often and repeat this process for the first year some only once. This is known as the "Dread shed".
- Regrowth ~3 month mark at the earliest is a realistic time in which you may be able to notice hair thickening after the initial shed. Results will continue to improve and stabilize after upwards of a year or so.


A general timeframe for results from Finasteride/Dutasteride:
-A month of prescribed use will result in proper accumulation of the medication in your cellular tissue. At this point the medication will be working optimally.
-Many people experience a similar initial shed like with Minoxidil. It usually begins within the first month, alternatively some people get the initial shed after or around the 1 year mark.
-Regrowth can begin around the ~6 month mark however most results will be apparent after upwards of 2+ years of treatment.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9951956/

every time i feel like im having a good day i remember im balding

is this a mature hairline or am I balding? Im 32.

>>18489244
looks normal to me. just keep an eye on it

After 15 years of balding, I took a fin pill for the first time. Actually half a pill because I'm a big pussy. My hair looks like this right now. Diffuse all over with little actual receding.

>take min for a couple of years
>stop for 5 years
>start again with oral
>no regrowth in the areas i had it last time

Don't make my mistake

>>18489272
did most of it grow back when you quit the first time?

does dutasteride and minoxidil help with diffuse thinning? my vertex and parietal areas have thinned really bad and i don't see much regrowth, although (6 months of 2.5 mg) dutasteride has helped reduce hair fall significantly

>>18489244
its over buddy boyo that is 45 year old mafia unc hairline

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>>18489128
>Regrowth can begin around the ~6 month mark
I've asked this before but never got an answer. How on earth did I start growing a bunch of new hairs around the hairline like two weeks after starting to use topical finasteride? Is it just a massive coincidence where a bunch of my follicles randomly entered anagen phase around the time I started using fin?

>grow tiddies or go bald
being male is suffering

my NW2->1 is still in progress after 3mo, hoping for a nice hairline by the end of the year
>>18489466
fuck off tranny shill

>>18489264
if youre lucky you could regrow all that. diffuser thinners get some crazy regrowth.

Does anything help for diffuse thinning on the sides of the head or am I cooked? I've been on fin for 18 months with no improvements in that area.

>>18489421
Hyper-responder/Unrelated to fin. As long as you aren't losing hair then it's a good thing whatever the cause.

>>18489497
Thinning outside of the main balding pattern like on the sides of the head is probably the result of hair loss from another condition though it can in rare cases affect those areas. You can have both male pattern baldness and something else going on like a thyroid issue.

>>18489244
Mature hairline is a myth. You are a NW2 maybe slightly further along. Your progression may be slow and be serviceable for years, or it may rapidly progress or somewhere in-between.

Early to mid 20s is the first hurdle of rapid onset balding, your 30s are equally as dangerous if you made it there with subtle or no loss previously.

So yes you are clearly balding, you weren't born with a NW2. How bad and how fast it goes from here is to be determined. If you want to keep it that way act now, otherwise it's up to fate and you may not be able to return to this stage should it progress and you decide to act on it then rather than now.

>>18489303
Yes those are optimal for regrowth. I would increase the minoxidil to 2.5mg 2x a day or 5mg 1x for better results as your current dose is the lowest recommended. If those areas experienced follicle death (5 ish years of untreated thinning) then unfortunately no medication as of right now can bring those back.

>>18489527

this is a NW2, this guy >>18489244 has a tall forehead, but the hair on the top of his head is still squarely shaped. He's a NW1 at worst.

>>18489540
Those temples are textbook nw2. Not every hairline has uniform recession

>>18489518
My doctor had me take a blood test before prescribing fin and it came back clear, so (un)fortunately it doesn't look like anything else I can fix. I think the test was checking for thyroid issues like you mentioned and common markers of malnutrition but everything was within normal levels.

>>18489553
Post a picture of the area if you can so we can get a better idea

it's over.

I finally gave in and purchased fin. I have been scared for years about the side effects, but today I felt like taking the gamble. I'm not sure yet if I should take 1mg daily or split the pills in half and take 0.5mg daily instead, but I'm leaning more towards the latter because I am still nervous about the side effects. Also not sure if I should be starting min at the same time or wait a few months/a year before starting, if anyone has any advice on that it would be much appreciated. I'm 21 by the way for reference. Wish me luck.

>>18489630
Take it as prescribed and forget about it like the millions of men across the world who don't even know side effects are supposed to be a thing. Do yourself a favor and never return to this thread or any like it.

>>18489630
>>18489633
In your case definitely start with min as well. I doubt fin alone would be enough regrowth especially since you've said this is years in the making.

>>18489636
why shouldn't he just take fin to start with? fin might be enough. wouldn't worst case scenario just be some wasted time and he can just take min later?

>>18489636
The dread shed is more tolerable when you're on min because the bounceback is like 3 weeks to a instead of 3 months.

>>18489639
At 21 you don't want to be waiting around for years potentially with hair like that lol. I was thinking the more immediate results would take away some of the worry about side effects, less likely to nocebo yourself knowing you're going to lose these gains.

>>18489555
Right side and left side. It doesn't look as sparse when I let my hair grow some more but it's still visibly thin.

>>18489645
New airpods looking kinda funky.

>>18489644
but having to take it for the rest of your life sucks especially if its not needed. i dont see any reason why he can't wait 3 - 6 months to see how fin goes for him

>>18489650
it doesn't even cost that much, i'm sure you spend $100 a year on stupider things, a transplant will cost far more

>>18489630
I waited a long time until jumping on fin too and it turned out I had zero side effects. Just take the recommended 1mg dose and forget about it. There's a high probability you won't be inconvenienced in any way. I also second the other anon's suggestion to start with fin only, in case that's enough. Why be stuck taking 2 pills for life when maybe 1 is sufficient?

>>18489645
Looks like retrograde alopecia. Did you get diagnosed with AGA? Could also just be naturally thin, or from repeatedly sleeping on that side of your head. Is there something constantly touching or rubbing against your head, or touching it yourself out of habit? Try an anti-fungal shampoo and switch up the one you are currently using, minoxidil would fill this in if you determine it's hormonal, otherwise try to figure out if there is some kind of external physical stress factor.

>>18489650
I would personally throw everything at hair like this if I was only 21 regardless if it's being impatient or not.

>>18489633
>>18489636
>>18489639
>>18489640
>>18489644
>>18489650
>>18489653
>>18489654
>>18489658
Thanks for the advice everyone, I feel more comfortable about taking fin now. Also regarding min, I have two cats and I read that even just a tiny bit of contact can be enough to kill them, so if I do get min it's going to be oral and not topical, but I also read that oral min can have very strong side effects compared to topical (e.g. heart and chest pain). To the guy saying I should start min at the same time as fin, would you still recommend it given this caveat?

>>18489666
Just buy topical liquid and take it orally, it comes in a sealed bottle, there's no danger of cats licking your head or your pillow if you use it orally.

Because of the possibility of heart/chest pain, you should start with the lowest dose possible and ramp up after you're sure it's not causing sides, eg. 1 drop, then 2, then 4, etc.
2.5-5mg is the usual dosage.
It's also the cheapest med because even one single 60 day supply OTC bottle will last a whole year if taken this way.

>>18489666
Yeah if you get problems just don't take it anymore, its not gonna kill you.

>>18489527
that's BARELY a NW2, what the fuck are you going on about

>>18489666
look out for facial bloating/puffiness/water retention too, usually starts showing after about a week

>>18489774
A NW2 isn't balding? What's your point

looking good to me
my hairline looks a bit odd now it's fuzzy

Anyone here on dutasteride that has or had acne
Did it help?
I'm Norwood 2 but thinking of getting on it if it'll help my skin
I don't want to do accutane again

I'm using topical finasteride. Will applying minoxidil to beard only cause me to lose hair on my head, and will it cause a shedding phase?

3.5 months on fin and I've noticed no regrowth. Is it time to add topical min?

>>18490064
You usually don't see any effect until a year or two in because the hair cycle takes a long time. 3.5 months is an unrealistic timeline.

How does one even find a good hair transplant surgeon? I want to go to a European one rather than doing meme shit like Turkey, but even then it's so hard to separate the good ones from the frauds given the extent of shilling in this industry.

>>18490064
>>18490087
this >>18489801 is 3 months of 0.25mg fin + 5% min

>>18489977
Not generally but it could happen. Be aware of areas your face (with minox on it) touches. You could transfer it to a pillow for example and then have your hair touch that area. You should expect a shed on your beard though it's not guaranteed.

Is this recession/thinning?

Is it over boys? 25 yo here

>>18490316
Yes

>>18490318
Hard to tell because it could just be how you groom your hair. What's the hairline line? How's the density? My hair kinda look like yours and I'm thinning so maybe you are too but I can't say for sure yet.

>>18490316
Totally. You should have a clear hairline and not this tapering off of hair.

Anyone tried topical dut here?

>>18490341
>>18490321
You think dht blockers would let some of it grow back?

>>18490347
Only one way to find out but assume that fin is only going protect the hair that didn't fall off yet because most people only stabilize their balding

How does dut compare to fin in terms of sides?

>>18490388
they're the same, very low T men are more likely to get sides from 5aris because the increased testosterone just aromatizes to estrogen

>>18490412
Are you speaking from experience?

Does anyone else drink topical minox ? I've been taking 4-6 drops everyday in the morning before breakfast and my shedding (both beard and head) is insane

any other progress?

>>18490456
Shedding makes it sound like it's working for you. How long did it take before the shedding started? I started two weeks ago with 2-3 drops a day, so no naturally no results yet.

>>18490318
If you're doing a frontal combover at 25 then yes it's over. Every guy who has experienced balding to any degree can see what you're doing from a mile away. With how relevant balding has become in recent years I wouldn't be surprised if women can detect it too.

>>18490654
women will never tell you you're balding because they think it's normal

>>18490500
oh yea 2 weeks in I didn't see that much of a change
after one month I started to find a ton of hair in the bed, when scratching, etc

I started at the beggining of may and now my girl (which I haven't told her yet) mentioned that I have a ton of new small hairs on my scalp

>>18490456
You’re going to give yourself a heart attack, 1drop of minox is more than the amount of minox in a pill

>>18490886
Stop being stupid, the blood pressure dosage starts at 40mg and goes up from there, each individual drop is 1.25mg.
Unless you mean the whole dropper filled to 1ml which is 50mg of Minoxidil.

>>18490654
lol how has balding become "relevant" in recent years

>>18490947
It's in vogue to not be balding more so than ever before. It's the butt of like a million contemporary jokes and women are actively given the ick by it and will tell you as much with their new empowered status. Unless you live under a rock you have almost certainly been exposed to the topic of balding and how it is big bad in 2025

Had norwood 4, started dut+min 8mo ago, fall probably stopped, minimal increase in the areas were i was losing hair. Took dut only 3 times/week, zero side effects like depression or erection problems. Then i did an implant.
What i recommend is to start the medicine as soon as you go NW2 and get implant earlier, dont wait too much like me.

>>18490316
you should start dut+min right now
>>18490318
doesnt look that bad, but you need a better haircut
>>18489630
medicine wont regrow your hair and hariline, go for an implant asap, and keep taking the meds
>>18489244
balding or not doesnt matter because the hairline is good. You wont benefit at all from implant to fill the small lateral pockets, also it will give you a feminine hairline. If you notice a small receding over months, then start dut+min.
>>18490095
Just browse their ig page, see reviews, reviews on reddit and thats it. I saw a lot of non shill real people getting excelent results from now hair time. Reddit calls now hair time a hair mill so, as you can see, trust your intuition and choose a doctor that has a solid results on portfolio and does the surgery himself. Find the average price in your contry and avoid choosing someone charging below avg.
Also no doctor is God and the final result depends on your case, how your body responds and so on. Someone with NW2 can go to a backstreet clinic and get a better result than a NW5 billionaire paying the best and most expesive doctor in the planet. So dont bother trying to find the "perfect clinic".

>>18491261
A good doctor will explain that lowering the hairline is generally a bad idea and opt to augment what you currently have by increasing density and nothing more. It would should be a red flag if that doctor is indulging your hair goals without walking back anything for your own benefit.

>>18491268
yeah, never choose a doctor that ovepromises, feels too much like a salesperson and so
let him draw the hairline and dont come like you know better, asking for a very low hairline from google images
In my case he had to lower it, because i completely lost my hairline, almost clean on the top. So thats why it is important to go earlier. If you lose too much hair on top, it wont be possible to get back crazy volume overall.
Anyway, even if you end up with suboptimal volume, a not so low hairline you will still look better than bald or that bullshit of shaved head.

>>18491268
eh, I don't think so. I'd rather get back a NW1 and usffer the consequences at 60. in asia they exclusively do NW1s for example and that doesnt mean theyre unethical doctors.

>>18491296
That guy didnt have his hairline lowered. His forelock and surrounding area only had density added. This is what it looks like when you recreate a hairline in most cases

>>18491305
this is a turkroach botchjob a talented person could work with it.

>>18491306
Any doctor worth going to will tell you the same thing I am. Don't come crying to me when your shit gets fucked up

>>18491296
>I don't think so. I'd rather get back a NW1 and usffer the consequences at 60
Well, that was exactly my idea. I wanted to enjoy my 30s looking the best possible and fuck having or not decent hair at fucking 50.
Althought instead of saying to the doctor, oh make me look 15yo, make me NW-1, i want my hairline 1in from my eyebrows... i just let him do his job and i liked the hairline he created. Then i just accepted that instead of oh, can you lower it 1cm extra?
I think it depends on your face, head shape, the haircut you plan to use and etc. Your example, an asian guy, they look younger for longer. Depending on your age, i dont think you will benefit that much from the lowest hairline ever, since you wont be able to pull off a boyish haircut anyway.

>>18491305
Shouldnt he use bangs or something? Why every man that gets an implant goes for this same combed back haircut? Would be better to comb the hair to the front to hide the imperfections?

I'm 18 years old and I'm already balding. I've been on fin for a little bit more than a month and I still wake up with hair on my pillow. I've been on topical min for about 6 months, but obviously, it doesn't stop the balding. Is it a bad idea to start taking two 1mg fin pills at a time? I really don't want to go bald.

>>18491326
Ideally yeah but the people who seek out these ridiculous procedures are doing it because they want you to know they have a "perfect" hairline. They are not satisfied with simply maintaining a realistic hairline which doesn't get worse.

>>18491335
>bit more than a month
Not enough time to have an effect
>Is it a bad idea to start taking two 1mg fin pills at a time
It won't help because DHT suppression pretty much caps at 1mg
Also your hair quality is terrible. How are you taking care of it? How do you shower, what products do you use, etc.?

>>18491335
see the parts where instead of thinning hair you have bare skin? thoses areas are gone, no medicine will put back. Only an implant. The areas where you ahve thinning, with luck, you can increase density using dut and min.
Wait at least 6 mo for any result. Increasing the dosage wont help, besides increasing the odds of side effects. Also take 0.5mg dutasteride instead of finasteride. Do not take it everyday.
>I'm 18 years old and I'm already balding
Well, i started balding at 16, at 18 had way worse hairline than you. Some people just have cursed genes. At least it is not some rare autoimune disease.

>>18491341
>Not enough time to have an effect
I know it's not going to totally stop in a month, but it should've lessened a fair amount, no? I don't know, maybe I'm being too hasty---but hair loss so early is really despairing to witness and I'm panicking.
>How are you taking care of it? How do you shower, what products do you use, etc.?
I dont really take care of it too well (I wash my hair every other day or so, and I use some shitty 2-in-1 body wash thing). I genuinely wasnt thinking about how I actually took care of it until you mentioned that. I feel so retarded, I'm going to look into actually using something decent.

almost 2 months on Dutasteride now and I am starting to shed quite a lot more than ever before

I don't know if it has to do with the fact that I grew my hair out and had a buzz cut, but I literally never noticed shedding before on Fin. Even when I took out a piece of blank paper in front of me, dipped me head down and vigorously combined hair hands through it I only got 2-3 hairs at most. Now I can casually dig out clumps of 5-10 hairs.

I'm noticing too that it's 95% hairs that are already miniaturized and smaller compared to my full 3 inch length follicles. Not sure if this is a good or bad thing.

>>18491191
I've had a shaved head for years and have not noticed a difference. But I don't put myself in situations where I can be rejected, I only pursue if I get hints.

>>18491384
Thats dellusion. It always been a big detractor, and now more than ever, since women hivemind see bald man as almost non human.
It is not impossible to find a gf being bald but the difficult increases at least 50x times.

>>18491393
What's the delusion? Literally nothing has changed. Would I get more girls with hair? Yes, but I already got used to it years ago. Latinas will still fuck me so I don't care.

>>18491352
You need to have patience. I know it sounds counter productive but just shave your head so you stop checking

>>18491378
That's good right? The small ones are falling out and being replaced by the regular ones.

>>18491410
that's what I hope is happening

>>18491378
How's the sides ? Did you try fin before dut? How do they compare ?

I'm getting a hair transplant in Turkey next week. I'm kind of nervous desu. Anything I should know beforehand?

>>18491261
>>18490321
>>18490341
Ok I just got prescribed fin

>>18491539
if you have to ask that NOW, a fucking WEEK before going there the chances are that youre completely clueless and have booked an absolute butcher who got his md from an indian diploma mill. turkey can be great for transplants but you need to research it well beforehand which you obviously have not done.

>>18491378
minoxidil has been proven to cause a shed due to how it effecyour hair cycles, but fin/dut shed is a myth. there is zero evidence for it in any drug trials / studies. either youre being extra neurotic and mistake normal shedding for an induced shed or then something else is wrong.

FIN AND DUT DO NOT CAUSE SHEDDING! THERE IS LITERALLY ZERO EVIDENCE FOR IT!

I don't know If I can cope that this shedding is a summer thing anymore. My shit started diffusing HARD suddenly, what the fuck is going on?

>>18491748
You’re stressed and probably sleeping during the day. You’re also probably living an unnatural sedate lifestyle.

Try living organically for a while. Take a digital detox.

>>18491788
Can you faggot hippies get lost? This is a MEDMAXXING thread. Not so long ago you retards would have been laughed off this site

>>18491788
I've actually massively improved my lifestyle lately so this doesn't track. Also a digital detox is impossible considering everything from work to play revolves around using my pc, but I'm not terminally online -ie sns/4chan doomscrolling- if that's what you're referring to.

>>18491701
The absence of DHT affecting the hair is the reason. If you believe Fin/Dut regrow hair then you must understand that a shedding phase preceded regrowth. Lack of DHT = follicles entering anagen phase = hairs shed to resync = regrow thicker over multiple synchronized sheds. Its more so the result of the hormonal change than the active ingredient in the medication. Either way you are wrong.

>>18491748
It's always just a shed no matter how bad it looks. Its not always related to the weather or time of year either. Dont switch meds, don't mess with dosages, just stick with it and put a hat on.

>>18491539
Now hair time?
>Anything I should know beforehand?
I wont spoiler what happens on the day because it will be counterproductive.

>>18491261
>Just browse their ig page, see reviews, reviews on reddit and thats it. I saw a lot of non shill real people getting excelent results from now hair time. Reddit calls now hair time a hair mill so, as you can see, trust your intuition and choose a doctor that has a solid results on portfolio and does the surgery himself. Find the average price in your contry and avoid choosing someone charging below avg.
I have a norwood 3. My plan is to take fin for a year to see if I can thicken up my hairline and prevent further recession, then book a doctor in Europe at ~4€ per graft, go through a further 6 months to a year of fin while chilling on a waiting list and then get a relatively conservative but thicc transplant with 2000-3000 grafts to lower my hairline enough that I'm still obviously receding but can pull off regular hairstyles somewhat fine.
Does that sound like a reasonable expectation?

>>18491844
there has never been one single (1) study that hhas any evidence for your headcanon.

>>18491966
Yeah start the meds rn.
>then book a doctor in Europe at ~4€ per graft, go through a further 6 months to a year of fin while chilling on a waiting list
Unnecessary.
During my research i noticed that docs that charge more arent necessary making consistently better results. IMO the final result is most on the charactheristics of the patient that the doctor.
Focus on finding a doc with years of experience, that does the procedure himself, browse his portfolio and thats it. After that, it doesnt matter if you plan to book some doc in london that charges 3 million with a whishlist of 3 years or some indian sir in the slums of mumbai that charges 1/10000th that. You can get good results even in india, dont worry.
Also check ig reels and tiktok to find real people who went to the clinic you plan.
For example, reddit hivemind hates now hair time in turkey. They say that if you not a celeb they will do a bad job. Well, i saw many normal people from my country getting excelent results from now hair time in tiktok.
When i started searching i had this idea of more expensive = better, but soon i realized thats just bias.

Last year i did a non plastic surgery with a doc charging 1/10 of another doc and everything went perfect. It is all about his experience and portfolio, not price or location.

>>18489024 (OP)
Post-Finasteride Syndrome is real.

>tfw Fin is not working
Why am I being punished like this

>>18492202
Nocebo is also real

>>18489024 (OP)
I been doing topical min like 2 months and I can see tiny baby hairs on my hairline. I think I'm gonna make it bros.

>>18492336
taking min alone is just like pouring water in a bucket with a hole.

How hard would consuming <900 calories daily affect my hair?

>>18492617
massive weight loss often leads to shock hair loss if "my 600 lbs life" is anything to go by

>mfw derm suggests switching from fin to dut without me even mentioning

got 3 packs, I think I was losing ground anyway after 2 yrs on fin

Would you say I can save my hair? I am 38

How fucked am I? Should I get on fin/min?

My father, brother and mom's dad have full heads of hair wtf. Feel like this came out of nowhere

>>18489630
Shit, I basically have this same NW level at 21 too, mine started at 16

>>18492674
you can probably just do fin for now. add min later if you don't see regrowth. no sense doing min if you dont need it because you would have to use min nearly every day for the rest of your life or until you or until better treatment comes out and some people get side effects from it anyway

>>18492677

Looks a lot worse post shower, hair not covering

On a scale of 1-10 how bad is this and can I still get back to normal?

>>18492682

Forgot pic

>>18492684
people have recovered from worse, everyone reacts to it differently so results vary.

>>18492682
It's more relevant how soon you treat it versus how bad it looks. You can reasonably expect to get enough density back to the point where simple styling would make that undetectable. There is a chance you could completely recover too though would require some luck. That being said any improvement or simply halting it is better than letting it get worse.

>>18492828
I went straight to 2.5mg duta lol

>>18492828
Don’t do it. It’s an unnatural chemical that affects your hormones.

90% of balding is stress. You’re living an unnatural life which is internally killing you. Return to the 1990s and unplug from this fake world. Don’t live like a caged rat. Live like a human.

>>18492934
Romans were balding over 2000 years ago. Do you have to live like a literal caveman?

>>18492675
Mine also started at around 15-16. I took oral min for the first time yesterday and my fin will be delivered today. All the men in my family are bald, I am hoping that at the very least I can preserve the amount of hair I have now when I reach my 30s and beyond.

>>18492961
Look at the ones who were balding. They were either old enough to bald, lived stressful lives in politics, or were unhealthy and fat.

Look at youth. They usually play outside on playgrounds and in tree forts constantly moving with free-spirited fun with full heads of hair. The same for the athletic teenagers. They are happy and always moving rather than being inside all day playing video games and playing pretend. They are also being social which is good for mental health.

>>18493024
and all those balding athletes should just exercise more

>>18492828
honestly people who are so neurotic that they are scared of fucking finasteride should just accept living as bald cucks. definitely never get on the meds because its people like you who gaslight yourselves into experiencing a million nocebo "side effects" and then campaign to have ot banned for everyone.

>>18492670
You're the anti-fin schizo who filled the entire /fa/ catalog with anti-fin threads.

>>18493054
Nice try schizophrenic Jew, but no one is falling for your tricks.

it's actually insane how a lot of men get lower libido from fin but they say it has "no sides" because they're happy with a cucked libido, probably don't have sex often because they can't get it so they think it's better no not have high libido lol

Feels like suddenly came on, good lord. No family history of balding.

Should I just get on a fin while I try to find out if it could be something other than male pattern baldness? PMD jumped right to that but rather see a derm but theyre booked for months and my hair is currently a ticking time bomb

Does anyone else shed at specific times?
In the morning/early afternoon I can run my hands through my hair and 0 hairs fall out. When I do that later in the day, it starts falling.

>>18493218
Yes you should get on fin. Its always male pattern baldness, thinning crown is like the hallmark sign.

>>18493197
lots of men are low T and have ED and balding and just live with it because they're too embarrassed to bring it up with doctor, they also won't be getting prostate exams when they hit 40 because that's gay
men are just cucked in general

>>18493197
source: it came to you in a dream while after falling asleep fantasizing about other mens sex lives

>>18493270
true, I also don't think it's entirely just the fin causing it, but it probably kicks the cuck hormones just enough for the libido to go down, and I don't trust the average man to be living at healthy condition nowadays
>>18493271
source: your mom told me while I was raping her, but if that's not enough you can just refer to the tons of dudes saying that their libido lowered and that it's great to have low libido

>>18493302
Who doesn't have their libido lower from aging? If you're not a teenager anymore then it's going to be lower especially if you're in your late 20s-30s which is when a lot of people start fin. It was always lower you just didn't notice until crackpots started spamming PFS.

>>18493302
yeah and astrology is also real because retarded people like women swear by it.

after lurking and identifying my case as NW3a (more thinning on the crown than temples) I will start min and tab fin next week. (ill post pictures of my hairline and crown later today so if you guys have some comments on it ill note them)

>>18493218
Yes go on immediately
Stay on it for a year and see what gains you get
If you're happy with that stay on top of it with fin and min if you want more gains but if it's meh maybe save up for a transplant (or just accept it and go bald)

fin-bros... i thought finasteride was supposed to work for a life time....

>>18489024 (OP)
I just turned 21 and I'm not exaggerating when I say my hairline looks even worse than this fucker's (my widow's peak started looking pronounced as fuck because of my balding). But instead of whining I've been shaving my head since I was 17 and living my life as usual. I don't know why god made me this way, but it is what it is. Anyway, moral of the story: I have it worse than all of you. Stop whining like little bitches!

>>18493433
i knew a guy who was legitimately bald as shit by high school. grandpa tier, nw6 or something.
that doesnt actually make me feel better though. just reminds me how precious hair is.

thoughts on diving straight into topical fin/min from hims or similar brand?
40yo and norwood 2/3

>>18493589
Topicals are considerably more expensive for lesser results on average. I would recommend oral fin if you have longer hair than a buzz cut due to the trouble of getting optimal scalp coverage with the liquid. Its still going to work but you have other options.

>>18493414
despite how he looks im under the impression that he isn't that concerned with his appearance. The balding was probably a wake up call to his management though and he's on meds now.

>>18489024 (OP)
Insane hairfall these past few days. My bedroom floor looks like a barbershop floor. Haven't been sleeping well and have been skimping on cardio.
Cause for concern? Top is more recent

>>18493688
hes a brit, for better or worse, they consider looking like shit when they dont have to, a badge of pride. fucked up teeth? lets do nothing about that. balding? let me rub some extra dht on my head. take jude law for example, fucking guy was the sex fantasy of endless teen girls! what did he do about his receding hairline? nothing at all. beckham seems to be the only notable british man who actively tries to look good.

Take fin and DESTROY ur cock u little FEMBOYS

>on fin
>no sides
>regaining ground
low t soiboi baldcels on life support

forgot to take my dut yesterday, should I double up?

>>18493986
This stuff is all about momentum and accretion. Missing one day won't undo the months you spent taking it already so long as you don't make a habit of it, so don't worry about it.

>been on fin almost 10 months now
>hairline still looks almost the exact same apart from a handful of the tiniest pube like hairs trying to push out
fuck i overhyped myself with all those regrowth stories. im gonna have to waste thousands on a transplant if i ever want to look decent again.

>>18494013
wheres your oral min?

>>18494018
was on topical for 8 months, been on oral for 1

Does anyone know if it's safe to take oral monoxidil and mirtazapine at the same time?

>>18494032
yeah if your BP/HR are in check

>>18489024 (OP)
My hair literally goes from looking fine to being fucking nuked multiple times a day and it makes it really hard to assess how bad it is

I'm 21m, started 1mg dut and 2.5mg min a month ago.

>>18494899
it's pretty bad but it's just your body dysmorphia talking
you should be fine in a few months considering you're a thinner

is it over?

>>18494899
>21m
>that degree of diffuse thinning
I think you need serious adjustments in your lifestyle

>>18494899
Pretty bad for your age and you should cut it shorter. But it's probably savable with meds since you're a diffuse thinner.

>>18494987
yes but there is still time to save whats left

>>18493218
Fin and oral min ASAP. Ofc it's MPB.

>>18494987
start now and you might get to a solid NW2 with meds only

well that's six months of finasteride ordered for £49.99 best price i could find
if i don't get any side effects in the first few weeks (in which case i'll just give up) i'll get on the topical minoxidil as well
wish me luck lads

>>18495121
I just do 0.25mg/day and it costs me like 8gbp/month with UK-EU shipping included, if I were to get the 5mg pills it'd be even cheaper but I don't feel like splitting one into 20 parts

guys, is hair loss without any type of shedding possible?
i have researched the internet on it but couldn't find anything on it.
i have literally 3 hairs or so in the shower and maybe lose like 5 or so during the day that i notice, while normal hair shed per day is between 50 to 100 (without hair loss).
isn't this weird?

>>18495371
if you see tempels disassppearing youre balding whats so hard to udnerstand.

>>18489024 (OP)
so is it just a myth that gooning makes your hair fall out or nah?
this seems to be a topic that gets evenly divided answers

>>18495402
myth. potentially the test increase could lead to a bit more DHT but the ralityt is that the test boost is very minor and won't amount to much. working out boosts test as so do many other actricvities and foods.

>>18494899
that seems pretty bad for a 21 year old
but it's only been a month of dut, so give it some time
you also have to factor in hair growth cycle
even if dut gets accumulated in your system, especially your scalp, your hair isn't magically gonna grow once that happens, it'll start growing once the growth stage begins, and you pretty much have to stay on dut forever if you want to keep that hair
what does your lifestyle look like? do you have any vitamin deficiencies? do you stress out often? how active are you sexually?

>>18495402
>people actually stop working out or cooming because they think it's gonna make them keep their hair
I'd rather be bald and enjoy life than a balding pent up lanky faggot

>>18495404
i figured, but i guess there are some other factors to consider
like how much of the vital stuff goes out of your system every time you ejaculate and there's less for your hair, or how often you ejaculate
would like some more responses, especially from guys in their 30s
i have super gooners tell me they still have a head full of hair in their 30s but that sounds unbelievable when i see so many guys in their 20s show me their balding scalps
>>18495408
honestly yeah
if there is indeed a link between gooning and hair loss, it genuinely fucking sucks to be a male
like what's the use of keeping your hair if you're gonna be frustrated all the damn time?
gooning feels too good to give up, and working out is fun

i am on 2.5 mg dut (more than 6 months now)
i assume this dosage nearly nukes all the dht in the system, right?

>>18495410
no. in the system yeah but the scalp is surprisingly still affected like 20-30% of dht is tstill there

>>18495410
please stop with the 2.5mg dut spam we know you're anxious about hair

>>18495402
The concept is that when you jack off your glands in your head release sebum which carries DHT to the nearby follicles. Its essentially like inducing a topical DHT blast. If your follicles are susceptible to DHT then it will increase your balding, otherwise it will just make your hair greasy.

>>18495489
>when you jack off your glands in your head release sebum which carries DHT to the nearby follicles
for what purpose?

>>18495489
sauce?

>>18494990
>>18495407
Well I'm 21m, in University, so there's some stress I guess.

6'3, 247lbs down from 260 in may, trying to be healthier
I don't believe I have any nutrient deficiencies, I had my blood work done in may, it wasn't comprehensive but everything checked was fine

My dad was bald but even he only started balding in his 30's, I started balding at 15 and it ramped up at 17, so it wouldn't make sense for it to be from stress, I think it's just aggressive diffuse AGA

It's been pretty alarming to be balding since such a young age but I honestly don't know what lifestyle changes I could make, I'd say I live a normal life.

>>18495490
>>18495491
I'm not saying it's a proven science because it's not, rather something to consider.

The temporary increase in test following climax stimulates the sebaceous glands and causes them to produce sebum (oil). It also can give you acne. You should probably shower immediately afterwards just to be safe or use a topical dht blocker if you are a chronic gooner.

>>18495489
>chad faps and cums in women for years and years and nothing happens, but little chuddy chud has to nofap otherwise his entire body enters necrosis
Yeah, not buying this shit, especially since fin and dut already takes months for it to start showing results and they literally nuke 70-90% of DHT, meanwhile fags will say that starting/stopping gooning is going to affect your hair in only 1 week

>>18495511
I mean DHT is literally produced in the sebaceous glands. Combine that with the oil they produce and my explanation is spot on. Whether a DHT blocker is sufficient in suppressing this or not, you will certainly go bald faster being a chronic gooner and not on any meds. Many people report increased hair fall after intense gooning sessions and oily hair is almost always present in people balding.

Does sweat carry DHT too?

>>18495517
Yep

>>18495511
Oh and the caveat is that your follicles must be susceptible to DHT in the first place. It won't magically make you go bald if you lack the genetics only accelerate it for those who do.

>>18495515
>>18495534
>Many people report increased hair fall after intense gooning sessions
Many women report having taken +9inch dicks, when it would be statistically impossible for it to happen
I don't trust this type of stuff because tons of studies on baldness already have a hard time getting expected results. If fin and dut nukes most of DHT quickly but it takes months to show results then how can gooning have a big impact in a short amount of time if it only gives a little spike. If we're going to at least follow fin/dut times (which I'd already disagree because cooming is definitely not nearly as strong as those 2 drugs), then at minimum you'd have to get a bunch of guys to stop cooming at all for 6 months straight to analyze the effect, needless to say, no nigga is going to actually follow this

>>18495541
I'm not saying that gooning overrides fin/dut I think it's the opposite because clearer skin is usually a related side effect of these meds. I'm also not championing anything about it inducing a rapid loss, rather that it does contribute to your existing problem. It could be negligible for most people or quite damaging for others. Think of it like being a hyper-responder to minoxidil, except in reverse, a hyper-responder to DHT.

Any point in adding Minox if I think Fin is not working for me? I've been taking it for a few years now

>>18495495
what about your maternal grandfather?
>>18495562
why not

>>18495489
>>18495506
>>18495515
>>18495534
>>18495553
i guess some of this does make sense
if even higher doses of dutasteride don't completely block off dht on your scalp and you jack off often, your scalp is still gonna be affected by dht nuking your follicles (if you also have the genetics that want to make you bald)
i guess for that reason there are guys who jack off daily and still have hair, and then there's also guys who probably jack off once a week but still lose hair because even their minimal sexual activity is enough to send enough dht to the scalp through sebum

>>18495495
and how much have you been gooning? balding since 15 is quite unusual

>>18495567
My maternal grandfather didn't bald at all
>>18495628
I don't do it often

>>18495627
Yeah it's not a deciding factor in balding either way just one of many things that accelerate it. Just shower daily and you'll be ok

Was prescribed a 2ml dose of this topically every night for 6 months by the doc, kinda worried about side effects tho and feel it might be too much. Should I just trust him blindly or take a slightly lower dose?

Can I just ask a general practitioner to prescribe me Dut? Can they refuse?

>>18495734
yes. it's not prescribed for hair loss he can still give it tou but if you comeback while having some retarded side it's on his ass a bit more. it's only approved for hair loss in korea & japan.

>>18495734
You can. It's generally looked down upon to do that and the doctor may perceive it as you thinking you are a know-it-all and deny you out of spite. You should explain how you have tried finasteride and minoxidil and the results were not great. If dutasteride doesn't come up then you can bring it up as a last resort you read about online.

Any of you try laser light therapy or platelet rich plasma? Chat GPT tells me that besides finasteride and minoxidil these are the two most clinically proven methods of reversing hair loss.

>>18489466
Have you considered that MtF trannoids take fin not because it’s a trannoids drug but because men who want to be women don’t want to be bald women?

>>18495762
chatgpt tells a lot of things. no it wont do shit.

>>18495665
This collage is of pics from January, I shaved to assess the true damage.

>>18495763
mtfs dont take fin ftms do

>>18495495
>>18495833
if you do not shave this shit istg

>>18495856
And do what with it lmao

>>18495869
Fuck it I just did it anyways, whatever man

It'll be easier to actually see if the meds are doing anything

>>18495880
Well I can clearly see lots of follicles, probably just lots of miniaturization
I gotta do another run though, the back is patchy.

>>18495833
>>18495880
>>18495883
so you've been diffuse thinning since 15 but your hairline looks intact
i don't think the follicles are dead and it's good you got on dut very early because the balding just gets worse when you hit mid 20s and approach 30s
i have the same
perfect hairline at 28, but my scalp has thinned at the vertex and parietal areas, not to the same extent as yours, but still, noticeable under light
i started shedding heavily from october last year after i gooned too much, so i'm still half-divided that it was my gooning that caused the shed (2.5 years of 1mg fin, got on it when i was 25-26), or at least a contributing factor
since then, i switched to 2.5mg dut and my hair fall has at least reduced significantly after 6 months, but i haven't seen any regrowth
i guess i'll wait 6-12 months more to see if it fills up my scalp once again

>>18495762
chatgpt didn't say microneedling? that's the 3rd best thing to go for after fin/min
red light seems ok but it's so fucking overhyped, probably to sell you chinese masks that cost $25 for $250, how fucking expensive is it to just put LEDs on a surface?
PRP is good, but it's way more expensive and you can't do it yourself, all this work to do the same shit that min and microneedling does

I don't know who needs this but minoxidil + tretinoin is game changing. Haven't used finn btw

I was on min for 5 months and it seemed to be going nowhere but the past few weeks i have been applying tropical min and tretinoin gel afterwards and there's hairs growing like crazy

>>18496112
forgot to mention but I'm indian ( in india ) if it matters, take it or leave it but i assure you this isn't bullshit and it works

drug slurping general

>>18496112
funny you say that because i accidentally got some tretinoin on my balls because i had an itch while i was applying it on my face, and now hair doesn't grow on that part

>>18495720
If I'm doing the sums right then I think thats a very small does of finasteride you're going to be getting, which is the eight way to do it to avoid sides. I'm a brainlet though, maybe a maths anon can chime in.

>>18496195
I'm pretty sure the side effects are mediated by the reduction in DHT levels itself and directly correlate to the activity of the drug

>>18496135
find a better way to stop DHT then

>>18496362
shaving

>>18489024 (OP)
What's the shortest time you'd realistically notice fin improving your hair? I've only been on it for 10 weeks, but when I look in the mirror it already seems better.

>>18496394
3 months is the biological hard cap that being the telogen phase aka regrowth. if you're not a hyper responder then more realistically 6 months to a year

>>18490794
another week down, another week of obsesively looking in the mirror for changes

6 drops in the morning with water, 4 in the evening

no other meds except for biotin and B complex after my meals during the day

>>18496408
also, before starting on minox drops, there was nothing there between the already mature hair, the velus is a result of the drops

>>18495628
How does that make sense? Producing sperm causes balding?

>>18496425
no but the whole arousal/masturbation cycle makes your sebum glands go into overdrive to produce topical DHT and if you're susceptible while also being a slob that doesn't shower frequently, then it's going to take it's toll

>>18496404
I was shedding a decent amount of hair around the time I started. (new shampoo that I stopped using when I hopped on fin) Maybe it's just a rebound from that instead of the fin. Tempted to try the shampoo again and see if the shedding starts back.

>>18496443
You might just be one of the lucky hyper responders. every once in a while someone gets absolutely insane results

>>18496195
For now I decided I'll just try it out and if I see anything wrong in 6 months or no progress, I'm stopping. No side effects, no matter how minor, are worth having more hair.
>>18496210
I was under the impression that the reduction in DHT levels is what causes the symptoms, however even if they are caused by the drug itself, I see no obvious reason why DHT reduction would mediate them. Feel free to enlighten me though as I don't really have any competence in these matters.

>>18496474
>I was under the impression that the reduction in DHT levels is what causes the symptoms
that's exactly what I'm saying

I might have expressed myself badly, I wasn't implying that the side effects are a secondary effect of 5ar inhibition

>>18495883
Pic I took right before shaving, with a super wide part via hands

Does anyone here have any experience with topical fin? I want my dick to work again

I'm 26, I've noticed how I'm shedding hairs when I run my fingers through my scalp or when I take a shower, is this normal? I have an story of shedding hairs since I was a teen (my room was always full of them and I had to clean up each week) but now that I'm older and I read about hair loss I'm a bit worried now.
My hair pattern looks exactly the same as when I was 20.

>>18489024 (OP)
if im seeing slight balding / microhairs around temples, will fin + minox cream / spray be good enough for now? i had low expectations but saw some before and after progress pics and some were insane, but i don't know if they're ads or rare cases or whatever gay shit.
also where can i get fin + minox cream for cheap? can i buy it from china or something, i assume buying from Hims is a level 1 jewish trap

>>18496442
What the fuck is that claim? Anything scientific backing the claim that arousal produces dht in the scalp?

>>18496824
You shed over a hundred hairs every day, running fingers through your hair and getting some loose ones is perfectly normal. Now are you noticing an actual uptick? Yes could be the start of something. But with your background I'm not sure. Could also be that you're losing hair but not seeing it visually yet, like you're thinning diffusely but not paying close enough attention to the actual follicular density on your scalp.

>>18496867
When my hair is wet I can see my scalp, not that much but it's there.

>>18496879
I wouldn't be surprised if you have diffuse hairloss. It's just not at a very noticeable stage yet probably. Dunno how healthcare works in your country but if checkups are free then go to a dermatologist.

>>18496885
>Diffuse hair loss, also known as diffuse thinning, is a condition where hair loss occurs evenly across the scalp, rather than in specific bald patches.

Oh, I forgot to point out that I can see my scalp on the front, the sides, crown and behind seem fine.

I never thought about hair loss in my life but now that I'm an adult and I see it in my friends and older family members I became aware of it and a bit anxious too, even if it's a nothing burger what should I do to safeguard my hair in it's current state?

>>18496887
Diffuse can come in patches. In fact, that’s a clear sign of stress thinning.

>>18496907
Yeah.. I've been stressed lately

the time has come to order my incelpills again, should I upgrade from 0.25mg fin to 0.25mg dut?
I have no sides from fin and low doses are because of cost

>>18496535
Not really though?
>mediated by the reduction in DHT levels itself
>implying that the reduction of DHT levels counteracts the side effects
I can see how you might've just messed up the wording though so it's okie

>>18496935
just get a secind job or something and upgrade to 2.5mg dut FAGGOT

>>18496921
Who isn’t these days? Job markets are biased, people can’t afford to move out, dating is in the shitter, drug use is rampant, TikTok pushes propaganda to make everyone feel cucked, and Covid happened. Imagine your hair if none of those problems existed. Imagine your life if those problems were solved.

>>18496907
Hello, I'm this guy>>18496887
Here's how my hair looks wet and dry
>>18497331
Yeah...

is rosemary oil really as effective as minoxidil?

>>18497324
no lmao i started at nw2 with mild predispositions

>>18489024 (OP)
I could cure all of your balding in a month with no drugs, no weird shampoos, or lotions, no side effects for $10. None of you faggots would listen to me though.

>>18497396
I have $10, hand over the magic beans bro

>>18497398
Minox works by stimulating bloodflow to the follicles. Buy a beard brush ($10) and brush your bald dome until it's red. Should take 2 minutes each session, one in the morning and one at night. If you get irritation or dry skin (usually 1wk in) add a beard oil into your rotation and rub it on top of your head after brushing. Within a month you'll have visible vellus growth. Repeat until terminal.

Works every time.

>>18497402
you could just hang upside down and massage your scalp, retard

WHERE do i buy cheap minox / fin cream? and is it good SOMEONE ANSWER PLEASE

>>18496865
>arousal produces dht in the scalp
that's not what he said, esl

>>18497402
so just nigger diy microneedling?

>>18497568
Being too poor to afford this stuff is far more unattractive to women than being bald.

>>18496442
>>18497661
>no but the whole arousal/masturbation cycle makes your sebum glands go into overdrive to produce topical DHT

I'm surprised Fin seems to no longer be working? There's no history of hair loss this aggressive on either side of my family though.
24 years old diffuse thinner. Started Fin 3 years ago with no sides, but also not any noticeable regrowth.

Do they make dut/minox combo tabs? And if so, are they an arm and a leg?

>>18497568
It's not expensive. If you think it is, you have bigger problems than just balding.

>>18497666
>>18497445
>Massage
Not the same level of bloodflow
>Microneedling
Doesn't do the same thing and tears up your skin.
>$10.
>Brush.
>Solved.
Like I said, you niggers wouldn't listen.

>>18497847
Yeah ok but you need to continually shave your head for this

>>18497828
Topical fin is pretty expensive. You are in the $10 range for oral without shopping around too hard either.

>>18496566
Same situation as you. but i had a rare event where I grew grey hairs in my late teens so much that my teacher asked if i'm dyeing my hair. It only stopped when my hair color turned back normal

>>18497730
Here a picture of my buzzcut from 6 years ago directly under a lamp and before showering for a most unflattering comparison.

>>18497977
looks like u just have naturally scarce hair, no balding...

>>18497988
that's diffuse thinning

>>18497960
Was there any specific reason why you were losing hair?

Even now after a few days of growth I can see that my coverage is fine, but when grown out it looks horribly thin

I haven't had a full comprehensive blood test so I'm still unsure if it's all from AGA, some of it no doubt is but I feel like this is super severe for my age (21).

>>18497988
I don't think that's a real thing dude. Pretty sure I have regular old diffuse androgenic alopecia.

>>18498065
yeah if your hair was naturally that scarce you'd see the scarcity all over your head, not just on the top like that

I don't care if women/strangers/whoever/etc see that I'm going bald, I only worry that my family will make fun of me and tease me about my (lack of) hair

>Month 3 of Finasteride 1mg daily oral
Still shedding like a motherfucker

>>18498134
this is why you should be on min as well, it shortens the the shed and rebounding growth phase to 2-3 weeks

>>18498138
But then you don't know what is efficacious for you. How much longer is it without min?

>>18498138
what about rosemary oil?

>>18498198
negligible compared to real min probably

>>18498162
>But then you don't know what is efficacious for you
both do 2 different things though
you should always have a dht blocker and something to stimulate growth

im so fucking bald, bros

After about a month of fin, I think I was experiencing some (minor) sides. After the second month, no sides whatsoever. No idea if my body just adapted to the medication or if I was nocebo-ing myself. Regardless, I’m pleased to be feeling fine. My penis is fully operational. As for hair regrowth, nothing yet other than a very small amount of shedding. But I’m under three months still, so I guess I’ll just have to wait and see.

>>18498490
internet has really given people unrealistic expectations about regrowth. almost nobody will regrow hair in 2 months. most likely it will take at least 9 months to notice anything real.

I got a hair transplant a week ago.
I can't believe I put this off for so long. I didn't even need the pain meds or sleeping pills they gave me. 3400 grafts on my crown and hairline.

Starting to develop my scabs 1 week in. No issues. I've been on fin and min for nearly a decade so no problem continuing them as my protocol.

The only part that sucks is the shaved head which I'll only have to deal with a few months.

>>18498496
Oh yeah I know. Honestly, I’ll be satisfied if my balding stops. Regrowth would be gravy.
>>18498500
Wow, what was that like? Did you go to Turkey or is that just a meme?

>>18498490
Don't expect too much in terms of regrowth just from Fin. Be happy that you'll b3 holding on at least.

>>18494987
I have this hairline and I just keep it medium long and part it to cover the corners. Works fine. No need for drugs.

>>18498519
>part it to cover the corners
NTA but what do you mean by this?

>>18498527
middle part sounds like

Trying fin/min tablets for the first time soon. Wish me luck bros, I know it might take like half a year. hoping I don't have fin sides so I can upgrade to dut later.

>>18498551
I'd worry more about min sides to be honest.

>>18498562
only if u have low pressure/heart problems already

>>18498490
Regrowth in 3 months is incredibly unlikely. It's quite a gradual process usually with ups and downs for the first year or two

3 months into finasteride, beginning to feel a little zesty

>>18491378
Update:

I scrubbed down my scalp in front of the sink and got damn near 30 hairs. I seem to be shedding 40-50 hairs a day after 2 months on Dut.

We'll see what happens. If any visible progress it probably won't be apparent until the 6 month mark. I'm going to casually dial it up to 2.5mg too over the next 2 years because idgaf and yolo.

>>18498857
upping the dose doesn't work like that

If most of my blank spots still have the finer vellus hairs, they are reasonably recoverable with medication, right?

>>18498918
doesn't work like what? you can do a loading phase of duta same as creatine, anything with super long half-lives can benefit from loading phases

>>18499001
To a degree. There are probably dead follicles amongst them so it will never be pre balding

>>18499086
I'm willing to drop the cash for a graft later on once it's stabilized, it's just good to know I have some hanging on still.

when follicles "die" are they actually dead frfr or could some new medication in the future revive them? I'd rather wait it out with my current amount of "alive" hair than getting a HT
also look at when trannies troon out and they get their entire fucking head back to full, there's definitely something that could be better than our current meds but without the trooning out part

32 and shit accelerated so fast in the last year. I'm pretty sure it's sleep/nutrition/health related but still. God damn son

Not hoping on those drugs. I'm trying castor oil, rosemary oil, and saw palmetto with microneedling and it seems to be staving off some of the balding.

I have super long hair and I think I'm going to go with this if it gets really bad. Maybe etch a design like a naga on the side so the braid looks like a tail.

>>18499086
if they're still growing longer will they have a chance at becoming thicker despite being very thin and short?

>>18499098
i think pp405 is supposed to do that but we dont know yet for sure

Finally took the plunge and got a hair transplant. Can't wait for a few months from now when I'm looking my age for the first time.

>>18499086
FYI follicles take a LONG time to truly die. The "7 years" estimates thrown around in recent years is complete bullshit. It takes decades.

>>18499113
yeah you can restore existing hairs.

>>18499125
regardless once the follicle scars over it won't regrow with any existing hair loss meds so it's as good as dead

>>18495402
They recommend no sex for the first 10 days after a hair transplant so there's something to this.

>>18499139
nta but I have vellus hairs covering my entire juvenile hairline but I presume it can't be regrown, right?
I've already gone from NW2 to NW1.5-1.75 in a few months

weird question but do you think people with DUPA underestimate the amount of grafts they have available for an HT?

As long as it's not severe DUPA it should still be 3-4k grafts available for transplant, I feel... which could be enough for a good result for some.

Especially if you're on Dutasteride.

Kind of a weird situation, my front hairline is NW5 but my crown is NW3 at worst.

>>18499339
They can be regrown. Vellus hairs can turn terminal.

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the king of all snake oils has arrived

>>18499654
the only interesting thing this 19 year old has done for hair care is injecting dut in his scalp. is it worth it to inject dut? does it even have a difference from pills? I guess pros would be basically eliminating all scalp dht, and maybe less sides risk, then cons would be having to inject and being more expensive

>>18499767
So much of hair loss quack cures involve poking holes in the scalp so minoxidil can work better, you'd think someone would have combined fin+min and DMSO so it will go systemic right away.

Do telehealth places like Dr.B care if you send old pictures of your balding crown and hairline?

I recovered pretty good under fin+min then dut and I'd rather not have to answer questions asking why I'm renewing my dut prescription when I have nice hair now, I doubt they even compare your old pics, at this point I'm sending pics from nearly 2 years ago.

>>18500116
No it's about making money

Is there a way to tell if a ketoconazole shampoo will have any effect on me? I'd rather avoid pointless purchases.

>>18500599
you have to look at what ketoconazole does and see if you need it

>>18499480
they're visible in these photos, what do you think?
you can also see the regrowth I've gotten in the past 3 months

Let it grow out a couple days
How bad do you guys think it is?

21m, started 1mg dut 2.5min and ketoconazole shampoo a couple weeks ago

https://x.com/Howlingmutant0/status/1951316487769071937

Say what you will but to me this is king shit
Wish I had the confidence to go through with this

>>18500758
Some of them are developing color which is a good indication that those ones have gone terminal. Only time will tell and 3 months is quite early.

>>18500926
lol'ing at those fucking comments
the women are mostly neutral to it meanwhile all the baldies saying "this is so gay and too much work bro, just shave it and own it bro", you can tell it's baldie cope because "just shaving" it is probably more maintenance than gluing back your wig every 7 days. ironically medium and long hair require the least maintenance

>>18500939
I only now realized they're barely visible in the first photo so here's the original

i don't know what to do, i got an diagnosis of folliculitis and seborrheic dermatitis since i was 16 years old, that made me lose some hair mostly in the vertex and the sides, it wasn't much lose and the problem got fixed, but now in my 30s it returned, at first i thought it was AGA, but i went through two dermatologist (there's few specialist where i live) and both told me that it wasn't, neither of them are sure of what it's the cause, one told me it is telogen efluvium and the other even talk me about lichen planopilaris. Now i'm losing hair mostly around my hairline and the vertex, and since october i'm shedding plenty when i shower and comb my hair.I tried minoxidil for 6 months but it didn't do much, finasteride for two weeks, but i suspend them as soon as i got side effects, so now i'm taking pills for the folliculitis as well as some supplements and using ketoconazole shampoo for the dermatitis.

how long does it take to regrow hair after diffuse thinning? has anyone here had any success/recovery? i've literally been on a 2.5 mg dut dose for 7 months, and my hair's still shedding and the bald patches are still visible
i'm also applying a mix of hair oils (olive + rosemary + castor + coconut + argan) once per week and then wash it off with keto-shampoo, conditioner, hair mask. this just makes more hairs fall off during my washes (my drain's nearly filled with hairs, about 300-500 hairs per week)
it's honestly discouraging

>>18501481
Did you know that your hair needs nutrients like vitamins, minerals, and amino acids? You're most likely deficient in all of them... buy a multivitamin, zinc & copper, 5000 IU of vitamin D3 daily, collagen, and omega-3. Avoid microneedling with needles that are too long, as it will only inflame the scalp and cause hair loss. At the temples, for example, 0.25 mm is more than fine; anything above that is risky and counterproductive. Improve your diet, eat fruits and vegetables that are rich in antioxidants, and get plenty of sun. Vitamin D is crucial; if you're deficient, your hair will continue to fall out.

2.5mg of dutasteride... you only need 0.5mg

>>18501485
i take vitamin supplements everyday
it's essentially a hair kit with different vitamin tablets in it
i don't microneedle
i tried derma-stamping a bit and then applying topical min, didn't do anything
in fact, min (both oral and topical) doesn't seem to have any effect besides making my body hair grow crazy
i guess diet could be a contributing factor since i'm on a weight loss journey so i eat less
i also work from home so i don't get a lot of sun
what fruits and veggies should i add to my diet?

>>18501493
>so i don't get a lot of sun
Go check it
>what fruits and veggies should i add to my diet?
Vitamin A,C and E

>>18499654
I wonder how many kidney transplants he need to get per year.