Thread 18502079

Why aren't you roidmaxxing/TRTmaxxing to become beautiful?

I couldn't become ottermode despite training my ass off and eating healthy/bland food so I went on trt. Hopefully I'll look like this in 6 months.

>>18502082
someone skipped leg day

>>18502079 (OP)
>>18502082
how does jaun get themselves on TRT? what are the indications of low test? also doesn't supplemental tosterone cause male pattern baldness? should I start TRT? i want more energy, strength, and assertiveness

>>18502086
Illegally from an underground lab or from some jacked dude at your gym. Cops don't care so it's fine to buy online. If you have more money you can buy from an online trt clinic, they'll give you shit even if your levels are normal or high but it's much more expensive.

>doesn't supplemental tosterone cause male pattern baldness?

If you have a genetic predisposition it'll likely speed up the process but it's not nearly as likely to happen on a trt dose vs a high dose steroid cycle (350mg+).

> i want more energy, strength, and assertiveness

Then do it faggot. I pay $20 a month from a UGL. No side effects so far.

>>18502079 (OP)
how do i reduce my bodyfat%?
it's probably still 18%, the last i checked
i'm eating far less now and exercise daily too (basics: squats, pushups, crunches)

>>18502086
i've been handholding all my 30+ year old friends through this process the last year or two.
go to your normal doctor and get your hormone levels tested.
every man 30+ should get their levels tested every year or two to know when to go on trt. i also think you should get tested a few times in your 20's or if you show signs of low t.
your normal doctor will be INCREDIBLY stingy about prescribing you test and you won't get any unless you are literally so low T that you donate to NPR.
do your own research on the risks, benefits and what your test levels should be for your age.
take the blood work you got and go to a MEN'S HEALTH CLINIC. if you can't find one in your area that takes your insurance just do telehealth, there will be providers in your state who do.
those niggas will actually give you the juice and be a lot more open to getting your test to a reasonable level.
if you want juice bros levels of test then do what the other guy said instead and go black/gray market. you should also get blood work done and dyor like i said though.
the men's health clinic will give you normal to good testosterone levels but not superhuman test. if you just want to age gracefully and not have your shit crash to grandpa levels it's the way to go because your levels will be regularly monitored and you will not have supply issues like with the black market (you can't go off once you start) and a lot of people's insurance will cover the meds.

>>18502508
recomposition or fasting prly the best ways. don't stop working out on fast.
there's other approaches i'm sure ppl will share/argue. depends on your goals a little.

>>18502088
>Cops don't care so it's fine to buy online.
in parts of scandinavia the cops literally do random forced blood tests of guys who look too swole at gyms and put them in prison. i'm not even kidding it's part of an old denazification program. was making the rounds in the msm like 10yrs ago but they've been doing it since the 70s.

>>18502508
also it depends on your goals. if you're trying to get bigger just strength train and it will burn fat. then get lean via diet.
diet is the most important part. working out builds the muscles but diet is what reveals them.
most guys will need a very regimented diet to be sub 12% or so bodyfat.
you won't walk around lean constantly. most guys with that lean physique walk around with higher bodyfat most of the time then cut when they want their body to look lean. if you stay too lean constantly you won't have muscle and if you're too lean for too long it causes all kinds of health issues.

>>18502508
also it depends on your goals. if you're trying to get bigger just strength train. strength training is the fastest way to burn fat. then get lean via diet.
diet is the most important part. working out builds the muscles but diet is what reveals them.
most guys will need a very regimented diet to be sub 12% or so bodyfat. hope you like chicken breast and rice.
you won't walk around lean constantly. most guys with that lean physique walk around with higher bodyfat most of the time then cut when they want their body to look lean. if you stay too lean constantly you won't have muscle and if you're too lean for too long it causes all kinds of health issues.

>Higher testosterone makes men do what they believe is right rather than what others believe is right
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-023-01570-y

Trt is for old men, if you take test as a young man you'll age 10 years overnight

Doesn't TRT make you bald or sumthin

>>18502560
im not telling them to go on it young i'm just telling them to start monitoring their hormones so they catch it when it starts to crash. you are right having too high of t or roiding ages you quick and that's bad but letting your t crash does too. for all sorts of reasons its becoming more and more common for t levels to crash in the 20's so i suggest keeping a loose eye on it. even if you don't have insurance its like 100, 200bux to get blood work done at a lab. probably cheaper mail in kits out there too.

>>18502606
no trt doesn't make you go bald. roiding does though.
trt is when you take replacement test to keep it in healthy/normal range if it drops below where it should be. men age a bit better if they keep their test at age 20-30 levels until they're around 50. whether naturally or substituted.
its just reverse hrt.

in fact if you're worried about balding, trt counteracts a lot of the negative side effects some men can get from finasteride. so its pretty safe to take fin on it.

>>18502606
its when you go significantly over natural t levels that you bald and age like shit etc
trt = natural t levels artificially maintained
roid = going way over natural levels
not the same

>>18502612
Sounds like a lot of effort for no gain other than to impress others

>>18502617
altering your t within natural range is not going to have a very big impact on your physique unless your t is an unhealthily low level to begin with. being on the high or low end of the natural range is not a very big difference genetics diet and exercise will primarily dictate your physique.
the reason to take trt is for your test to not fall below the natural range. if you are low t it is worth it to jump through the hoops because there are all kinds of health problems you can get from being low t and you will look like shit. can make you go bald, retain fat, etc.

>>18502617
if you are low t you better get on trt or hrt because not having hormones is bad for the human body, my low iq friend.

>>18502620
So now being high IQ is going on hrt lmao
What the fuck is this board about
Tranny thread

>>18502613
I see. How do you get this stuff?

>>18502541
You really thought this was your blog? Reduce yappin son.

>>18502079 (OP)
back injury

I got fat over the last 2 years so I’ve been thinking about taking semaglutide and then testosterone, or testosterone and then semaglutide, whatever order is better. The only reason I haven’t is because I want to be eligible for military service in case we get to shoot chinks in the next few years.

>>18502626
see this post >>18502541

>>18502082
ur dumb, its not only about eating healthy, in fact "healthy" is now a subjective term. To become ottermode its about getting a shit ton of protein and calories in a day, and becoming big, then getting a shit ton of protein in while at a caloric deficit until you look like him.

>>18502543
That sucks. No one gives le fug in USA/UK

>>18502541
According to doctors 300-500 total T is normal. I personally found that most guys look and feel their best around 750-1100. TRT clinics will prescribe you gear even if your levels are normal for your age.

>>18503029
I did all those things. Lifted heavy 4 times a week, burned 500-900 calories via cardio, and consumed over 180g of protein a day. Low carb, moderate fat diet. Still couldn't do it without test.

>>18503043
tru.
to not be confusing, im considering like 600-1k normal for most guys in the age range on this board. and like anon said doctors will consider it much lower.

>>18503052
>600-1k normal

it's optimal not normal or common

>>18503067
Normal if you're black and under 50

>>18503067
i personally think it mostly only makes a diff if you're below, or way above healthy levels. but that's why i emphasized dyor, form your own opinion etc in my original post.

>>18503073
I was low 500s before and am now 950-1100. I went from skinny with some muscle to ripped and I have much more energy.

>>18503076
>and I have much more energy.
oh yeah good point i should have said that, higher t will DEFINITELY have an immediately noticeable impact on energy levels going between low/high of the healthy range.
and yeah imo its very dependent guy to guy. some guys can get shredded at like 350 without trying very hard.
i really should have just avoided giving any figures except the typical cutoff where doctors will consider you critically low t.

>>18503044
>consumed over 180g of protein a day
rip kidneys

I might have to. I’ve struggled with my weight a bit my whole life but in the last couple of years I’ve gotten fat fat. Subsequently nothing, and I mean nothing, looks even remotely presentable on me. I look like a fat slob in every single thing I put on.

>>18502541
>go to your normal doctor
Most normal doctors won’t even order you a hormone test just because you ask. Forget prescribing TRT.

>>18502541
> This American Life
> a bunch of low test beta males and a tranny
What have we become?

>>18502541
The problem with telling every guy to get in TRT is that the single biggest issue most aging guys have is not declining testosterone. It’s that they’re fat. Injecting testosterone won’t make them fatter but it could make all the other biomarkers that come with the risks of being fat even worse: cholesterol, blood pressure, blood sugar, all of it.

These guys would be better off taking ozempic than testosterone.

>>18502606
Yes it does. The TRT shillers here clearly have no idea what they’re talking about.

>>18502606
>>18502560
If you're gonna do roids, at least get on fin/dut to prevent DHT from raping your hair.

>Goes bald, gets angrier all the time and kills sex drive in attempt to be attractive for the girls
And then at 70 your heart explodes

You don't need any less than 13%

>>18503744
>kills sex drive
Opposite occurs

>>18503572
It boosts your metabolism and allows you to put on more muscle, which further increase how many calories you burn a day.

Ignore the guy who's shilling against TRT. He's a known schizophrenic leftypol communist who hangs out in the balding thread giving inaccurate medical advice, misdiagnosing people and shilling spironolactone. He's openly said that he wants to make users of /fa/ kill themselves and that he spreads bad advice on purpose >>18503749 >>18503752

>>18503741
I would recommend it if you care about your hair too. TRT lessens the chances of having negative side effects of fin and also may have a synergistic effect and enhance how well it regrows hair.

>>18503572
I'm telling every single guy to get bloodwork done and then do their own research and decide for themself if its for them.
Then I told them how to get the meds if they make that choice.

You can tell he's a shill because he sages when he replies so the thread doesn't bump.

>>18503574
>>18502606
It is generally considered safe to take finasteride while on TRT, and it may even be beneficial in some cases. Finasteride, a 5α-reductase inhibitor, blocks the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which can be helpful in managing hair loss, a potential side effect of TRT. While TRT can increase DHT levels, potentially exacerbating hair loss, finasteride can mitigate this effect. Additionally, studies have shown that the combination of finasteride and TRT can lead to further improvements in hair growth compared to finasteride alone.

>>18503744
Shill. You're less likely to have health problems if you have healthy T levels as you age. There are many environmental factors leading to men's T dropping prematurely. There is NO downside to monitoring and maintaining your testosterone as you age within healthy range.

>>18502080
they're ugly

bump

>>18503044
>Low carb
fucking dumbass

>>18504024
It’s a 2nd order priority. They don’t need test. They need to lose fat.

>>18503999
It doesn’t boost it enough and when it does it come with risks.

>>18504301
post physique with timestamp.

>>18504301
>It’s a 2nd order priority. They don’t need test. They need to lose fat.
a 3+ day fast every half year or so unfucks their cortisol if they need to get rid of stomach fat.
no reason at all not to take trt. most of the reasons to take it have nothing to do with physique there are also many health benefits.
the only reason to shill against trt is if you are one of the weird troon schizos who shills spiro on /fa/. we already went over the balding thing and its a completely moot point which trt even can help with. you're coming off as desperate. probably not even a man too.

>>18504024
>Ignore the guy who's shilling against TRT. He's a known schizophrenic leftypol communist who hangs out in the balding thread giving inaccurate medical advice, misdiagnosing people and shilling spironolactone. He's openly said that he wants to make users of /fa/ kill themselves and that he spreads bad advice on purpose >>18503749 >>18503752
There is a lot of these people on 4chan. /fit/ has them as well. Some of these are doing this full time. Its insane. If only the mods or jannies could tell you what they see behind the scenes

>>18504024
Take your meds schizo.