Thread 18502225

/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!
Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/Balding

Reminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.

Holy trinity:
Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride
Lotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil
Shampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoconazole

Finasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.
5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.
5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.
0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.

Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.
These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.
Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.

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Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.

Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.

Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.

Previous thread: >>18489024

You all told me finasteride would kill my boner and my sex drive but I've been having the best oily wanks since starting my cock never felt better.

>>18502273
It's literally one guy telling you that with a vendetta against fin because he's somehow linked it to jews or some other completely insane twisting of reality.

if the thing about fapping making your sebum spread dht all over your scalp is true, would you give it up to keep your hair?
>>18502273
i've been on 2.5 mg dut for 7 months, before that i was on 1 mg fin for 2.5 years, i still get super horny and feel like jacking off
i think ed is extremely rare and most likely temporary too

>>18502496
Ideally you should just be aware and not compound the issue by doing that shit like an addict. In the grand scheme of things proper hygiene should be sufficient enough to not have to worry. Just shower after you jack off, workout, heavily sweat. It's a physical substance on your scalp which can be washed off with water.

I got a hair transplant

I can't believe I put this off or was afraid of it. I spend more money fixing random shit around my house each year than I did on this and it was easy. I'm way early in the process and will go through some ugly duckling stages but holy shit I can't believe how easy and honestly relatively painless this was.

The rest of my fucking life I don't have to worry about my stupid fucking hairline anymore.

I am on meds btw. I have been on fin for like 8 years prior to this so no stranger to it. That was the first smartest decision I made, stopping recession in its tracks which made it not too many grafts at all. Now this is the second best, restoring to a youthful but realistic hairline.

THANK GOD I never listened to any faggots trying to scare me out of using fin. THANK GOD I pulled the trigger and just fucking went to this.

>>18502525
>>I am on meds btw. I have been on fin for like 8 years
So fin didn't stop you from going bald? Huh?

>>18502603
He was already bald dude, he just didnt get balder.

>>18502698
Kek what? Why would a bald dude take meds for 8 years?

>>18502706
To not be completely bald and have the option for a transplant?

>Notice my hairline is starting to recede
>Want to get prescribed finasteride
>Hit up my doctor, she gives me the run around, tells me I need to come in for my yearly checkup
>She asks me to get like 2 different blood tests, each time there's a new appointment she schedules it 3 weeks away
>2 months have passed
>"Yeah you're good, I'm not going to prescribe finasteride for you, you need to go to the dermatologist for that here's a referral letter"
>Call up the dermatologist
>"We don't have any appointments until mid next month sorry"
>It will have been 3 months before I get the prescription
>I've been taking topical minoxidil foam from costco 2-3 times a day during the whole ordeal and haven't noticed any changes to my hairline
is it time to rope

>>18502738
Your hair takes years even decades to go, 3 months is nothing.

>>18502738
can't you just order fin online?

>>18502738
Just get fin online, there's lots of online services that can give you prescription without questions, and ship you a supply every month.

Mine just asked for pics of my hairline, then said ye you're balding, here's a prescription. My hairline wasn't too bad to begin with either desu.

The 1mg fin is usually expensive, so more commonly guys will get the 5mg fin that's meant for enlarged prostate, and cut a pill into 4 pieces and have a quarter everyday. Most online services know this and will have an option for the 5mg and will even give you a pill cutter. Comes down to ~USD$12 every month.

i get six months supply of fin 1mg for £49.99 and just had to do an online questionaire

>>18502525
Good for you dude, bot everyone responds to finasteride the same tho

The theory that orgasms cause topical DHT blasts via sebum, undermining the effects of finasteride, is biologically implausible and unsupported by evidence

>>18502965
what if youre not on finasteride

>>18503038
rip

>>18502965
Prolactin spikes cause hair sheds

>>18502273
Not necessarily a good thing

>>18503057
>prolactin is directly tied to the refractory period
guess i'm fucked, i like to edge and slowfap and my refractory periods are like 45min long because my orgasms are so intense

>>18502273
Sexual side effects for finasteride are only exhibited by a very loud 3% of guys on it. Basically annoying people are skewing your perception of reality.

>>18503063
the incidence of sexual side effects basically matches the background rate of men with ED at 2%

yep
gooning too much can cause hair loss (at least not permanent)
it's not a coincidence young guys are shedding so bad when porn is conveniently easy to access

>>18503066
male balding predates the internet and pop culture and the printing press and basically any way you could transmit pornography

>>18503060
this definitely happened with me
i had hour long gooning sessions for two weeks and it killed off 20-30% of my scalp in just a month
i've been on 2.5 mg dutasteride since the last 7 months and it still takes off some of my hair (although far less compared to before) because i can't control myself
i guess i need to build better discipline

How over is it? That can't be healthy. I've been on fin for 7 months now.

>>18502965
Idk, but anecdotally before I started fin I used to get itchy scalp after orgasms, after fin I don't anymore

There should be a general that accepts balding and seeks to make it work in a /fa/ context

Can retinoids somehow affect hairloss? I know it sounds extreme but I'm lately thinning extremely hard even though I've had good gains with min&fin, I'm talking big hairballs whenever I comb and/or wash my hair daily. My stress levels feel the same and I didn't significantly change my diet or sleep pattern so getting back on retinoids is the only change that comes to mind. Is it possible the pharmacist forgot to add costisol to the min mix per my derm's prescription and it's now biting me in the ass?

>>18503188
what retinoids are you taking?

>>18502738
Just get it online bro. The guy saying he had to send a pic of his hairline even had to go through an abnormal amount of effort, most the time it just says "are you going bald?" And you tick "yes".
>>18502225 (OP)
Is a second shead a thing? I've been on topical fin+min for over 2 years now, and it worked great to begin with, with some regrowth, but now it seems to be going again.

>>18503197
0.1% Adapalene for a few days to finish a tube I had, now Isotretinoin 0.05%

my dut is gonna be here hopefully within a week
I hope I'll still be able to cum 4 times a day like I do on fin

>>18503215
You are lucky if you've only had 2 sheds

>>18503068
NTA but he probably doesn't mean it's the cause, it's an aggravator for people with AGA. Instead of balding gradually people are experiencing crazy diffuse thinning in their early 20s because of compounding factors, one being gooning.

>>18502496
If that were true then sex would lead to hairloss. Also I still have seen 0 proof of anything.

>>18503476
Who said it doesn't? You don't typically have sex multiple times per day and usually you want to shower after. Hardcore gooners are doing it multiple times per day and letting the DHT brew sit on their scalp as close to 24/7 as possible.

So is there any proof or study or anything about this dht-sweat-sebum link or did some guy just make it up?

>>18503513
It comes from personal experience, fapping a bunch of times will make you greasy slimy and gross with sebum, it's not hard to link the two, especially because high prolactin, poor hygiene and balding seem to go hand in hand

>>18503513
it's completely made up

I just noticed it's not just my temples but also like half of my forehead where I apply min is growing baby hairs

what's the most active hairgain community? r/tressless is too fast and hairlosstalk is shit

>>18503535
You sure nigga?

Sebum is important for hair loss because it involves DHT.

Enhanced sebaceous gland activity is attributed to the potent androgen 5α-DHT5 as sebaceous gland cells possess all necessary enzymes for conversion of testosterone to 5α-DHT

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3051853/

Seems like I'm affected by a bad case of retrograde alopecia. The useless dermatologist I went to diagnosed me with telogen effluvium, which sent me on a wild goose chase to figure out what stressors were causing my hair loss (there were none). I tried topical minoxidil, but it burned my scalp. Guess it's time to try oral solutions.

>>18503557
tressless is slowly turning into a bucket crab site, I saw one poster had an amazing comeback on fin and min alone and nobody believed it and even insulted him for posting a fake timeline.

Reminder that isotretinoin reduces sebum gland excretion and size by 90%.
Good luck getting it prescribed though, the side effect profile is monstrous.

>>18503147
>make balding work
nigger you cant "style" a bare skull. making bald work means having a perfect skull shape. anything else is gay cope.

>>18503443
and you know diffude thinning like that was not historically normal because you looked at tiktoks from the 1950s?

>>18503835
No we have 70 years of media and eye witness testimonials

>>18503147
>>18503833
The only way for balding to work is to have a huge propaganda effort with influencers and TikTok to make balding seem sexy to younger women. But that will never happen.

>>18503864
maybe you should think real hard about what kind of changes have occurred in media, photo quality and how often people take photos and how it moght influence why it may be that you see more cases of young men with diffuse thinning than in photos from 70 years ago.

Zoomers are doomed to physically age super quick and you can see it reflected in shit like the "grandpa-core" style. Kinda sad.

>>18502225 (OP)
Bros I'm 35 and can't grow anything beyond a patchy ugly beard
My hairline is fine and it grows thick as fuck up top, I just have shit beard genetics
Anything someone can do?

>>18503917
No thanks. The consensus amongst the majority of people is that we are uglier, balder, fatter, depressed and the list goes on. We have access to modern science which confirms the "theory" that we are worse off: Environmental as well as biological factors which exacerbate hair loss included.

>>18504009
Stop bitching

guys I booked a hair transplant with a top surgeon next year, I'm nervous and still on the fence about it, what if I regret it

It’s funny: I was so worried about getting side-effects from fin, when I should have been worried about this shit doing fucking nothing and just going bald anyway. God fucking dammit. I finally get in shape and start feeling more confident about myself just in time to have all my fucking hair fall out. Hopefully people think I’m a cool Jason Statham bald and not a disgusting freak-headed bald. As if.

What if they come out with a real cure for baldness that works 100% but having used min or fin in the past makes you ineligible you guys would be so mad lmao

>>18504041
tl;dr you made it the fuck up, it makes you feel warm and fuzzy and oh so redpilled you and arent capable of critical thinking.

>>18504145
I guess, yeah?

if i goon everyday, will i become bald? has anyone tried this before?

look at this crispy ass hairline, baldcucks can't even imagine!

>>18502225 (OP)
I bought oral minoxidil
I was thinking of starting 0.25mg a day but I'm worried about it because I believe I have a bad heart (sedentary lifestyle, sitting down all day, diet full of meat and salt, chest pains are not uncommon)
Any advice? I hate using topical because applying it is fucking annoying and 90% of it goes on my hair instead of my scalp.
I'm on 1.25mg finasteride a day and was even thinking of adding a 0.5mg dutasteride once a week to help because to be honest, it's been like 8 months now and I haven't seen any regrowth (I could just be going insane).

my gp wants to switch me over to fin instead of dut, fug
oh well, got away with it for 3 months kek

>>18503575
any clinical studies directly correlating masturbation to DHT scalp levels? if so it's completely made up for now

>>18504412
0.25mg won't do shit in amy case, try 0.5-1 for a week and see if you get sides
and just swap fin for dut instead of doing both

>>18502225 (OP)
Anyone got success with long term .25 Fin daily? Schizos on reddit have very little pictures/anecdotes of this

i started taking .5 fin for about month alongside oral minoxidil, I didn't experience ED but i will say my dick felt a little more rubbery than usual, i was still able to have sex and finish though so this might just be from me jacking off too much. From the one month i can see that there's a bunch of little hairs forming around my hairline which is cool

i'm trying .25 mg now, i'm assuming it'll take forever but i don't really mind because i'm not in the business of impressing anyone. i already look divorced anyways

Anyone commit to do .25 mg daily long term?

>>18504412
DESU that low of a minoxidil dose won't really do shit, if you've got heart problems i wouldn't fuck around. maybe look into making your own minoxidil and derma rolling it

Why are you people scrimping so much on fin, are you poor or did they really prescribe you quarters of a pill per day?

>>18502706
It halts your balding. I've been on dut for two years now and it stopped my shedding in its tracks but no regrowth. At some point I'll get a transplant to fill in my diffuse thinning. I'm so pissed off because I had like 5 years from when I first noticed my hair start to thin to when I finally bit the bullet and got on dutasteride. I wish I'd started sooner.

>>18504145
Lol yeah, and what if a blue whale leaps out of the ocean, does a backflip over the moon and lands on your mom. You'd be pretty bummed out then I bet

>250% tariffs on pharma
rip

>>18504146
I've posted evidence jagoff. You are literally projecting.

>>18502965
My hairline was always itchy pre-fin, that stopped shortly after starting fin.
The DHT itch is real, DHT-infused sebum sitting on your scalp making you bald is a real thing.

so this is the information online:
- sebum contains dht
- sebum is produced by sebaceous glands
- sebaceous glands are attached to hair follicles
- these glands are present all over the body, with most of them on the face and scalp
i think the math is adding up
while there may not be actual studies on this, it doesn't take a genius to figure out hair loss may be directly influenced by masturbation and sweating
although, i am not sure if the sebaceous glands contain less dht if your blood stream dht is already low, perhaps due to strong anti-androgen activity going on such as being on higher doses of dutasteride
but it seems like dht is produced in the scalp, so even if your body doesn't contain high levels of dht, you could still get fucked over by 5ar producing more dht on the scalp itself

>>18504543
Yes we have studies independent of one another which confirm as much. With these studies in mind you simply need to apply deductive reasoning and its pretty much locked in.

>>18504554
now the real question is, how do you get 2.5mg dut prescribed daily if you want to suppress 80% scalp DHT and 99% serum DHT?

>>18504439
there isn't a significant difference between 0.25 and 1mg
>>18504496
>more anecdotal evidence
>>18504557
see a psychiatrist

>>18504557
this is what i am on right now
2.5 mg dut
7 months in, i still lose hairs (about 200-300 or maybe even more) on my wash day once per week
it's fucking insane
i never used to get so many hairs in my drain before, now it's a weekly occurence and my scalp is so noticeable unless i part my hair to the sides
no regrowth either, i don't know how long i have to wait for my scalp to fill up again
it's honestly discouraging that you can go so high on your dosage and your shitty genetics will still spit on your face

>>18504565
Hang in there pal, I would say everybody's hair cycle is different

>>18504565
It's normal to lose that many hairs if you only wash your hair once a week, you lose 50-100 a day.

>>18504056
Make me faggot

>>18504565
Did you take pics at the start?
It's hard to gauge at what point you return to baseline from the shed, but it took me 7 months on fin alone, you're hyperfixating on the amount of hair you drop and you don't wash your hair regularly so you're probably letting scalp DHT wreck your shit

Do any of you get a sharp pain when your hair falls off? Like your hair follicle itself is getting pulled out with your hair and the nerve ending is getting permanently severed from the hair. I get that every now and then when my hair is falling from the parts where my hairline is receding. Is that a just regular hair fall or sign of balding?

>>18504439
>alongside oral minoxidil
how to invalidate your entire post
braindead

Jesus Christ. Some of you guys are turning into absolute schizos.

>>18504791
it's literally one person, the pigslim poster

>>18504750
what do you want me to do retard? go inject dutasteride into your saggy ballsack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR2MWOZ_fjs&ab_channel=HairTransplantNetwork

Seriously considering getting a beard to hair transplant along with scalp hair transplant to help with density. I entirely shave my beard hair below my chin and jaw anyway and it could really be used to thicken up the crown area of my head if spaced out intelligently alongside actual scalp hair.

Could get 1-1.5k additional grafts for density. That's kind of a big deal. Just gotta find an HT surgeon who has experience with beard to scalp transplants.

>>18504850
you can just do a pube 'splant it's basically the same thing
my ass hair is legit more fine and silky than my beard and grows up to like at least 2 inches

>>18504813
Take your meds, pigslim.

>>18504981
the thickness of each beard hair is part of its strength, though
you'll need less actual hairs to thicken up the crown area in that instance, since beard hair is almost twice as thick in diameter compared to scalp hair

how does he do it?

Tzarev must be channeling slavic black magic or something. Where did this old guy even get 9k grafts from? lmao

>>18502273
Are you left handed, by chance?

>>18502706
I was 2.5 NW and I halted my balding so that I could get a transplant.

Why are you posting before lurking? This is basic knowledge.

>>18505091
he must have one pretty fucked up ear for them to censor it

>>18505091
Best donor management in the game and top-tier yield rate.

>>18505417
or it's not the same person and they're hiding the ear so it doesn't give it away

>dr. B is now rebranding to drb.ai
so they're not even hiding that no real doctor is looking at your balding pics

Ist es over für mich?

I can't convince myself to take oral min even if it might help me

just can't get over the chance of a heart attack or heart failure even if very rare, it's not 0%.

just gotta hope the dut does some level of objective clinical thickening (even if I can't tell with the naked eye) and rely on a hair transplant

I have very minor hairline recession on one side of my hairline. Is there anything less intensive than taking drugs that works even if it's slower?

>>18505675
it's fine as long as you're in a spitfire and camo pants

>>18505699
Split the pill and take 1mg worth.
Notice how it doesn't do anything.
Next day take 2mg, do this for a week.
Next week ramp up to whatever the pill dosage is, literally nothing is going to happen.

>>18505724
>literally nothing is going to happen.
until it does and you're in the emergency room getting a permanent pacemaker installed by your heart

>>18505770
the therapeutic dose for blood pressure starts at 40mg, take a quarter of a pill if you're that scared, literally nothing happens.

>>18505699
just take it topically

>>18505808
I already did, did nothing at all
60% of men are nonresponders to it
even tried microneedling and tret to boost response but nothing

2 months on fin and my shit looks terrible. Don’t know if it’s shedding or just accelerated balding but it’s not good. I’m gonna stay the course but in the meantime something needs to be done. I loved my long hair but it’s no longer viable with the thinning on top. How should I cut/style my shit while I wait for the finasteride to work/not work? With thinning on top, I feel like my options are most likely quite limited.

>>18505959
Buzz it for 3 months and wear a hat or something

>>18505919
Did you get microneedling at a clinic? If not, all you did is roll a piece of plastic on your head. The kind at the clinic is supposed to actually leave your head bleeding with holes. After that, wash with antibacterial shampoo (not antifungal) and then apply the minoxidil. I’d even recommend an oxygen bed at a spa to activate the process.

>>18505965
I’ve had long hair for 12 years I will literally cry. I know that you’re right. But I’m gonna be curled up, rocking back and forth in the shower.

>>18505972
you could just wear a hat with your current hair. just make sure it stays on

>>18505968
I have a derminator 2, believe me I know how to microneedle

>>18505975
Being a full time hat-coper is pretty rough too lmao

>tfw got ED
Dammit, I really wanted it to work without issues

>>18505987
I got a friend who's a full-time baseball cap coper, he's like NW4 at 29 and keeps insisting that he's fine with it and won't take actual hairlosspills
yet he still puts >rosemary oil on there and capcopes full time

Can anybody who tried both dut and fin tell me the difference in sides based on their experience?

>>18505959
Shave it off along with your eyebrows and tell people you have cancer.

Like 1 month update on 1mg dut, 2 week on 2.5mg min

Diffuse thinning makes it really hard for me to tell if any improvement is being made which sucks

21m

>>18506457
Was your hairline lower than that? If not it looks like you could make a full recovery especially on nuclear mode dut and oral min

>>18506463
As far as I can tell my hairline hasn't receded at all
Been thinning since 16-17, haven't seen any hairline recessions
Really hoping this works, haven't had any side effects either

>>18506341
>fin
no sides, best orgasms I've ever had
>dut
>still best penile orgasms I've ever had
I can't find my prostate anymore tho :(

I’m thinning on top. Is a buzz / very short cut the only option? I’m on fin already, so don’t worry about that. I just mean in terms of looking my best right now.

>>18506478
I'm kinda afraid of this, can you legit not find it anymore?

>>18506486
Honestly yeah it is, during recovery I'd say having a buzz looks better.

For reference, >>18506457 this is me with around a week old buzz

Picrel is me before, some days it looked fine but if I sweat, or it rained it became really visible I was balding and looked really bad in my opinion

>>18506499
i also haven't been doing anal as much lately so I haven't been trying very hard to find it, too much prep and even when you do find it it takes a long time and I feel like I'm gonna lose bowel control if I keep going, maybe that's the p orgasm, idk

>>18505701
Less intensive than taking a pill? Not even close. You would need to adopt massive lifestyle and diet changes in the hopes of reducing DHT production. It would likely be in vain anyway. It's either medication or accept that you will be bald. Hair transplants require meds too unless you like wasting money.

If you have a decent hairline intact (nw2 and below) but you're diffuse thinning, I think you should get on meds to stabilize, and even if your donor area is not great you should get 2-3k grafts to reinforce the top

you won't have amazing hair but there's a huge difference between being able to rock a decent head of hair and only have it look like shit while wet like here:
>>18506531

and having to go full blown chrome dome

I hate this shit so goddamn much. All this effort and worrying to stay as a 5/10 to avoid dropping to a 3/10. Fucking sucks man. My parents should have given me better genetics or something. I feel like Liquid Snake, but at least he had a sick blonde mullet.

>>18502225 (OP)
Post-Finasteride Syndrome is real.

>>18506827
Imagine living life with a full head of hair with no balding gene, seeing all the kerfuffle about balding and the communities surrounding it, going "huh, that sucks man, life is unfair." and then going about your day and never sparing another thought about it for the rest of your life.

>28
>still rocking a sleek norwood 2

feels great

>>18506478
Are you being serious? What about mental sides?

Should I go Niki Lauda mode?

>>18506457
I had similar diffuse thinning, with min alone I had so much regrowth you can't see my scalp anymore with wet hair. it takes a while anon, be patient

>>18506948
I’m a different anon but are you just on min or fin also? I’m only on fin at the moment and I’m considering starting min.

>>18506926
mental sides?
let's see
before fin, I was constantly worrying about my thinning hairline, it was eating me inside and I would hyperfixate on other people's signs of balding, I was afraid to even towel dry my hair because that hair wasn't coming back, I also had horrible sebderm and 3-4 miniaturized nearly transparent hairs would get pulled out along with the greasy dandruff flakes, it felt demoralizing, knowing my hair was deteriorating in real time.

that stuff all went away after starting fin

>>18506950
yeah, but I started out with only min because I was reluctant to approach my GP about my hair problems. now I take both. most of my gains were made because of min though.

>The finasteride is a physical anchor. It is a "dreadful pharmacologia" that is holding you in a state of chronic insomnia, dread, and physical malaise. You are a bird with beautiful, youthful plumage, but you are too exhausted to even get out of the nest. The insomnia is the most significant barrier to the life you're finally ready to live.

>The choice you're facing isn't between looking young and looking your age. The choice is between staying in a state of suspended animation (with hair) or taking a chance on a future of vitality and purpose (which may or may not involve a "chrome dome").
Gemini has addressed my concern. I am listening.

>>18507020
I don't think it's that deep
I will keep my hair chromey

>>18507020
I've been on finasteride for years and I don't even know what you're talking about. Insomnia isn't even a common side effect.

I’m hairy as fuck. Hairy arms, legs, the whole deal. Does that mean I’m high in DHT and less likely to see good results from Fin?

>>18507027
I've had insomnia since I was a kid but it got much worse when I switched to a legit script of fin (red pill) which also happened to give me less sexual sides and less brain fog than the online indian pharma fin (blue pill), but greater insomnia. Like I can't win. Topical progesterone does literally nothing at all, melatonin does fuck all, mag gycline is nice when I'm awake, finasteride blocks it and I guess I piss it out. Allopregenolone is nowhere to be found in my brain. I can't just fall asleep jesus christ. Everything is much nicer now than two years ago, including my bedding which is max comfy, but I can't doze off until it's 10am and I get a 3 hour nap.

>>18507031
It just sucks, if i stop taking fin for two weeks then I can sleep better, but I want fin to work. I'm in this gambler's dilemma, where fin has yet to show any improvement, but I'm still waiting, and if I give up now before that big win it's all for naught.

>>18507031
You need a psychologist not fin

>>18507037
A neurologist to address chronic insomnia and to script me some vyvanse or adderall. If I could get a 1UP while awake it would be fine. My moments of free time are stolen from trying to fall asleep.

>>18502225 (OP)
>>18502227
Don't all 5ar inhibitors have a chance of causing gyno?

>>18507029
i'm the same
hairy af despite being on 2.5 mg dut
i read from some users online, they all say they noticed visibly less body hair after being on dut (which is how it should be)
i'm also a diffuse thinner and not seeing any improvements on 7 months of 2.5 mg dut + 2.5 mg min
my scalp isn't as bad as most thinners, but it's still visible (and i also lose hair easily)
i don't know how much longer i have to wait to see results

>>18507094
Depends on the person of course. I think fat niggers get gyno from it. Either way it beats going bald.

>>18504439
0.25mg vs 1mg have like 4% difference in reducing DHT
it's just that niggas are desperate as fuck so they blast as much fin as possible to feel like they're doing something and have "nuke stacks" with every possible med

>>18507126
>Either way it beats going bald
Lmao, peak retard, getting fat tits that you can only remove with surgery doesn't beat anything. If someone had gyno at puberty or has shit hormonal balance that could cause gyno then you should solve that first before getting fin

>>18507210
Good thing I don't get gyno, sugar tits

>>18507020
kys

Am I suffering side effects from Finasteride? I've been taking it for 3 months now.

>Starting to pack belly fat, noticeable as of last month
>Watery semen for months but unbelievable libido, nutting 3–4 times a day (from 1–2 not counting sex which is minuscule by comparison)
>Unbelievably horny

>>18507390
gaining weight around the waist is dictated by a presence of testosterone, stop eating you fat pig

>Went to a dermatologist
>already been taking topical minoxidil for 2 months
>asked for finasteride
>she said that's a bad idea because my hair isn't that far gone yet and she's worried about the side effects
>gives me oral minoxidil instead, tells me to buy nioxin shampoo and come back in 4 months
oh well
I can stop taking the topical shit now right

>>18507390
fat no, rest is possible

>>18507443
Taper off over the course of 3 months or you will induce a double shed. Get a prescription for fin online, Google your country name and finasteride prescription and you will find a company who will prescribe it with few questions.

>>18507350
Why?

What shampoo do you use? My hair keeps drying out.

>>18506564
lol I won't be bald though. Isn't there some oil and scalp stimulators or something?

>>18507664
use conditioner if you shampoo often or use less shampoo to avoid stripping all your natural oils, this also avoids the need for conditioner

>>18507029
No, it means you have sensitive AR in those areas genetically, doesn't mean high dht or even high test or balding.

Anyone from germany and/or have experience with ru58841?
Would ideally like to get finasteride/dutasteride, but am scared shitless of side effects, especially because I've seen so many people be left with them *permanently*.
topical ru58841 seems like a good alternative, especially because you can't get fin without a perscription here in germany and the only doctors that give it out are online and I don't want to put my insurance info out there. Can someone give me pointers or advice?

>>18507808
>a research chemical that has no long-term data or a way to be approved seems like a good alternative to a drug that has been tried by millions of people for 30 years and approved by every major drug regulatory body
what are you smoking.

>>18502225 (OP)
I've been on fin for 8 months now and I don't know if it's because I have long hair and I wear headphones all day but my crown is in pain a lot. It feels tense and scratching it feels uncomfortable as opposed to the sides and back. Could I be experiencing traction alopecia or some other kind of balding? I am also underweight. Maybe buzzing it will relieve some of the pain.

>>18507849
its the headphones

>>18507873
Yeah I suppose it's obvious...

>>18507443
>>she said that's a bad idea because my hair isn't that far gone yet and she's worried about the side effects
You're supposed to start fin when it's not far gone.

>>18502525
Same. I wanted to get a transplant when I was in my mid 20s, but didn't have the money and was still in school. Had to wait until I was in my early 30s but just a few weeks post surgery I already look a lot better!

>>18507849
I just wear earbuds not to worry about this sort of stuff. Some people find earbuds uncomfortable but there are different models designed for different types of ears so maybe there's one good for you out there.
>>18507664
How often do you shampoo? Depending on your hair type, you might not need to shampoo every day. I only use shampoo twice a week and it's the sweet spot where my hair are neither dry nor greasy (of course I'll shampoo more as necessary if my hair are dirty that week).
>>18507443
Your dermatologist doesn't know what she's talking about. Minox compensates for hairloss by making hair grow faster. Fin mitigates hairloss by making hair fall less. If your hair growth can't keep up, then you clearly need to address the other side of the equation. Consider a second opinion.

>>18507849
idk I wear a cook's bandana at work all day and am seeing no scalp irritation and decent regrowth

does masturbation actually cause hair loss in men? is there actual research on it? like maybe it causes diffuse thinning instead of regular male pattern baldness?
it sounds so silly but considering that fin does something with the hormones, doesn't sound completely unbelievable either

>>18508031
I've read that the prolactin spike you get from an orgasm triggers hair shedding. So not follicle miniaturization but it's still affecting your hair cycle. Someone who knows more can chime in so I don't spread misinformation.

>>18507931
idk how people still bother with dermas, they're fucking retarded and in the best case they'll force you to go through at least 6 months of hair loss before they'll think about prescribing you minoxidil

>>18508031
it makes intuitive sense but nobody is sure if the sebaceous glands are pumping out DHT and soaking your follicles in that shit even after taking 5ARIs, people who masturbate a lot should be showering frequently anyway

>>18508031
It doesn't cause male pattern baldness, rather it accelerates it in individuals who are already genetically prone to DHT. Fin probably counters the majority of the DHT but doing it excessively might be able to overpower fin to a degree.

>>18508031
it's probably just pre-hormone-imbalanced gooners, there is no direct evidence

>>18508120
There is mountains of evidence in the skincare world directly linking acne and oily skin to DHT through sebaceous glands. There is no evidence in relation to balding because it hasn't been studied but the same rules would most likely apply from the skincare world. There are too many corroborating cases and anecdotal reports to brush the whole thing off for seemingly no reason.

>>18508149
So what you're saying is that 5ar inhibitors are better than any skincare routine?

>>18507443
>oral min is okay but there are too many sideeffects on fin
What the hell? I just used one of those telehealth providers and got a fin prescription in 5 minutes.

>>18502225 (OP)
>currently on 3 months of fin
>zero side effects
>still horny as ever
Why did I let the internet scare me into not starting this sooner? I'm so fucking dumb, holy shit.

>>18508181
i felt like that too, there's an organized shadowy force pushing the narrative that fin is a force fem drug, not just on 4chan

>>18508149
no direct, peer-reviewed evidence

>last played cs on the first day of taking fin
fuck bros fin is ruining my dream of going pro

>>18508169
Finasteride is prescribed to women dealing with severe acne in some cases. With women having lower DHT production than men blocking it with a 5ar inhib is actually sufficient in clearing it up. Again this just corroborates the proven science that DHT is released primarily in the scalp and face.

I’m prone to gyno and im currently on test, is the meme about fin causing gyno real?

>>18508318
don't take finasteride with test

I took some up close pics of my scalp but I'm not really sure what to make of them
Diffuse thinner

>>18508566
slather that shit in min, get on fin

>>18507443
fuck dermas. Really. They should be drug pushers like in all other (((medicine))) branches, but instead they push fo the ones you don't really need.
At least she gave you oral min. I've been using fin and min (topical min) for years, had to stop for around half a year to have a kid (yes, fin fucks up your sperm and it's even written on the fucking leaflet that comes with it). Went back on it afterwards but started drinking min instead of topical use, the difference was night and day. I regrew at least an inch on my temples which I thought was long gone and finally could rid myself of long cope hair.
At least where I live, they make you jump through a million different loops to get oral min, so making the jump to drinking it was the only way, it was well well worth it. Truly a secret they keep hidden since it works so well and it's cheap as fuck.

>>18508747
They are just following guidelines. Modern medicine is not what most people think and amounts to little more than googling your symptoms with the ability to write prescriptions. You need to always play off of the fact that they are reading google by telling them you have tried min, diet, exercise and it didn't work, leading them onto fin naturally.

>>18508181
>doesn't understand statistics
Indeed you are retarded

>>18508031
I've been jerking off for nearly every day except when I broke my arms for 20 years straight and have a perfect hairline.
Many men today believe that if they stop touching their little weiners all their problems will go away and I think that's hilarious. It must be some sort of cope to avoid engaging with the actual reasons for their failures.
This being said if you believe not touching your pee pee will give you super powers and make you regain your hair go for it, it might be true who knows

>>18509086
Well obviously it won't do anything to a DHT resistant perfect hairline. Also once a day is nothing, it's more about chronic gooners (2-3+).

>>18509086
How'd you break them? Were you motorcycling?

So I wear bangs and noticed they've been lookong different recently and checked my hairline.

Is it ogre? Can it be saved? Worth risking my dick?

>>18509214
>Is it ogre?

yes.

>Can it be saved?

with a transplant and meds, 100%. With meds only, only if you're lucky.

>Worth risking my dick?

you won't. it's all propaganda or people that already were fucked from the start (in the head, in more ways than one)

>>18509224
Am a poorfag, transplant is beyond me.

I'll talk to my derma about Minoxidil, I looked at my ID pic from almost 5 years ago and it seems it was starting then so it's not aggressive at least. That's good right?

>be me
>have hair, but shave bald just to see
>actually like it, stay shaved for a few years
>try letting it grow back out
>actual male pattern baldness set in during this time
>definitely past the point of saving with meds and such

fuck

Is there any real evidence permanent side effects are genuinely rare?

https://www.askapatient.com/mobile/default.asp

All hair less drugs here get 2.3 stars at best and LOTS of ED.

It also reminds me how Accutane fucked up men, it feels like messing with hormones in biological men is a bad idea. Women's hormones seem better at fixing themselves but once the male hormonal system flies out if whack it seems fucked?

>>18509854
Forgot to say how Minox/Fin/Duta all have terrible reviews mentioning ED and more here.

You think if these drugs worked great you'd have a bunch of people singing praises.

I have been permanently damaged by benzos and even they have better reviews than these hair loss drugs?

>>18509854
there is no way in hell an enzyme inhibitor has permanent side effects. You stop the medication and DHT comes back. Now, if you get traumatized because you couldn't get hard once or you had "mental fog", then my money is on anxiety that is well beyond finasteride's reach. There is more mentally crippled people out there than most would think.

>>18509253
>Am a poorfag, transplant is beyond me.

I haven't had one but I have seen some for around 5k, and not in turkey.
regarding the meds, just get them online, it's far easier and faster.
Min you can buy literally anywhere.

>>18509858
>You think if these drugs worked great you'd have a bunch of people singing praises.

or, when people find they work, they just don't come back to give a good review, they just want to forget baldie coping times.

>I have been permanently damaged by benzos and even they have better reviews than these hair loss drugs?

Benzos work miracles for people with crippling anxiety, but it's very much stablished that they are

>addictive as hell
>physically, as well
>withdrawals can kill you
>probably are not good for the brain in general in the long run.

they have "better reviews" because few things work better to instantly erase anxiety than benzos/alcohol, not because they are not toxic shit.

I should know. I had a hard time quitting them and wasn't back to normal for months and months. Really bad shit.

Feels like my hair is thinning out a lot in the front so I went back to see some photos. Turns out it's more or less always been this way, but I'm still worried since I see little re-growth on the area and a lot of thinner hairs. My temples haven't moved and are still full of hair, but the thin top is clearly visible when it's dry. Should I get a dermapen to get some blood flowing on my top? Or am I paying too much attention?

I've been through long periods of stress/depression and everyone on my mother's side is terribly bald/big forehead, even the women, except her who somehow got chadlike genetics from some distant ancestor. I'm not sure if it passed on to me or if I'm cursed like my other relatives.

See this schizo montage I made to keep track.

3.5 months of progress
0.25mg fin + 2x 5% min

>>18509941
It looks like you have clearly receded significantly since the first pic. The right temple is receding further than the left as well which is common. You need to get on finasteride first and foremost then worry about regrowth once you have the underlying problem under control. Otherwise you need to accept that you will be bald eventually and no other treatment besides a 5ar inhibitor will be able to prevent that long term.

>>18510000
Damn man, are you sure it's not the fact I didn't focus on my temples and different hairstyles/angles are messing with your perspective? I never worried too much about them. I have an older photo where there's already a clear Z shape there, barely hidden by my hair being pulled back instead of being mid-long-ish. And my temple hair is very thick and close together, there's no "see-through" area like in the front, which is why I never worried about them.
>right temple is receding further than the left
Photo perspective?
>finasteride
That's radical. I never figured I had too much testosterone though, always had problems building muscle mass and such.

>>18510012
No I don't think so, you are balding and somewhere between a norwood 2 and 2.5 currently based on the last photo. You don't even seem to have a visible temporal point on the right side (my right).

High testosterone is not at all the cause of male pattern baldness, it's a hormone called DHT which is present even in women.

It's not radical, it's the front line treatment and the majority of people who decide they don't want to go bald take it. This is millions of people, it's not some experimental treatment.

>>18510020
I have some shitty pictures of my temples. Bottom was a few years back, top is now.

>>18510055
can't see shit

>>18510055
I don't know anymore this doesn't even look like the same person or there is something going on with your camera. Your hairline looks different in every photo. Type right is somehow considerably worse than top left

Taking shit that nukes ur dick lol

>>18510065
All me, taking pictures in my mirror. Selfie cameras are fucked up. It's probably different angles and my temple hair not being too visible on the right. Top right is just zooming on my forehead with the hair pulled back by a hairband.

0.5mg dut ED reduces serum DHT by 85% after a week and 90% after 2 weeks, so should I be good taking 0.25mg fin and 0.5mg dut for a week to load before switching to just 0.5mg dut EOD from fin?

>>18510068
You deserve it for having shit genes

>>18509999
damn, you're very lucky. I have a very similar hairline and been on 1mg fin + 2.5mg oral min for 5 months and had no results whatsoever yet

>>18511419
FWIW I haven't been actively balding for a pretty long time - I got NW2 sometime around 18-20, am 26 now without further recession in the meantime

>>18511265
update: I've had a semi for like half my shift today

>>18510068
we are all autogynephiles so that's a plus

Anyone had luck with just topical minoxidil?

Seems safer.

>>18511566
agp posters are the biggest coomers tho
also 5aris shrink ur prostate so you can't just fall back on butt stuff

>>18511589
Short term solution with increasingly diminishing returns which will make fin less effectiveness when you panic and concede to using it

>day 30 on fin 0.5mg a day
>no major side effects (yet!)
>only side effect is lower libido
I still get rock hard erections and can still cum buckets, but I don't have a general urge to fap anymore. I occasionally force myself to sit down and have a wank just to see if everything still works, but I can literally go on for months without it from what I feel.

[spoiler]the germans found a cure for hair loss but the allies burned all the research
[/spoiler]

I know it's supposed to go away eventually but initial shedding from starting min/fin has a grip on me

>>18502747
>the 5mg fin that's meant for enlarged prostate, and cut a pill into 4 pieces and have a quarter everyday
Isn't 1.25 daily a bit too much for a starting dose. Most people who don't worry about the availability and price of the 1mg tabs don't even start with a full tablet daily

>>18512005
there is no significant difference in serum DHT reduction between 0.25mg and 5mg

>>18512030
so why would you consume more medicine than needed to achieve the same effect

>>18512031
because try cutting a 5mg pill in to 1/20 pieces

>>18502225 (OP)
hey niggas I know nobody is gonna care about this but:
PP405 is a prodrug of the patented chemical JXL-069, specifically the formulation labeled PP20 in the 2024 patent US20240327400A1.
There's a synthesis pathway included therein, or you could get a lab in china to synth you like 15 mg as a year supply. Once you get the shit, you need proper compounding equipment to create a 0.05% mixture in PLO Transdermal Gel. Apply topically once a day and you'll have your hair back to a norwood 0 in about a month with no side effects.

>>18512049
Hey do you have any sources or are you just gonna make shit up for no reason

>>18512049
good shit, now that most RCs are banned in NL RC stores are stocking up on SARM/SERMs and they might just pick this up
>>18512051
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JXL069

What causes dandruff? Not properly drying the hair out?

>>18512106
>shedding of dead skin cells from the scalp
shampoo should get rid of it

>>18512109
I get rid of it then it comes back later in the day

>>18511805
If an attractive woman was flirting with you, do you think you'd feel aroused?

my hair fell out massively in a short period of time during the pandemic, I didn't do shit about it but it's never going to grow back. miserable.
hair loss has been pretty minimal since then. way thinner that it used to be but it's pretty much just a norwood 2. which I've hated but as I get older I'll come to terms with.
don't want to take drugs for it since I'm not really losing anymore hair and I read that the drugs won't bring the hair around my temples back anyways.
still wish I sought treatment immediately hwen it was first happening.

>>18512211
Same. I thought my hair was "always like that". I knew about fin too but didn't pull the trigger because I was so sure I wasn't balding. I could have had perfect hair right now but at least I have enough.

>>18512122
I would have the general urge to grope her and kiss her, but I might not get a boner - but that's a general problem I had from before. I blame porn. I need moaning or at least dirty talking to get a boner.

anyone here has an anecdote on microneedling working without topical min? I've been on 0.5mg dut and oral min (initially 2.5, now 5mg) for about 10 months, got good results but I still have a big amount of miniaturized hairs (not vellus), they have color and vary in thickness.

>>18512106
usually it's a fungal infection
that's why all the anti-dandruff shampoos are antifungals.

Month 4 of Finasteride. Still shedding like a cuck and losing ground.

>>18512642
Any side effects?

>>18512655
Yes, hornier than normal. Slightly watery semen but I don't know how much of that is due to Finasteride or me nutting 3-5 times a day now (from 1-2)

it's really fucking disenheartening to see how many young men are bald
I thought it was all a meme until I installed dating apps, and at least a third of men aged 25+ are either visibly balding or fully bald... I checked out reddit for opinions, and of course, it's full of beard/gym baldie cope getting upvoted in the comments
pretty sad that there are plenty of cool bald guys out there but hair loss has always been a dealbreaker for me, even before my NW2 BDD thing

>>18512698
Don't feel bad, those guys would call you a fag for taking pills to keep your bair.

>>18512490
Not worth the hassle without using topicals in my opinion. It might help a little bit by increasing blood flow to your scalp on it's own but unironically a scalp massager would probably be similar without the stabbing yourself part.

>>18512490
Think of it this way. Balding has fucked over men for tens of thousands of years. Genuinely, TENS OF THOUSANDS. Since we were cavemen. Julius Caesar was insecure about his balding.

If there was legitimately a reliable cure for baldness that existed before modern transplants or drugs, it would have been everywhere and we would have grown up taking it as easily as we were taught to brush our teeth. It's like contraceptives, something a huge amount of the population desperately wants. The fact that we never found it is proof enough to me that it never existed.

>>18502525
Call me crazy, but i feel like a good (or cheap) wig can work.

I've poor and almost been thinking a Halloween wig, or like pic?
https://www.spirithalloween.com/product/black-surfer-wig/19327.uts

Someone tell me if it could work?

>>18512490
>big amount of miniaturized hairs (not vellus)
Can someone explain clearly what this shit is, please. And post a picture. The Internet only returns posts from Indian hair clinics.

>>18512727
I only feel bad because balding is a dealbreaker for me so I'm significantly reducing my dating pool from the start

What's the definitive opinion regarding zinc supplements? Does it work towards making you bald?

>>18512954
the only thing that's making you go bald is DHT. only test will make bald far worse.

chud or libtard you have no excuse both take it.

>>18513095
why do people even like hasan piker, he's a total cringefest, why is his head so small relative to his body?

>>18513106
His streams are ultimately just a thirst trap for his viewers which are overwhelmingly leftist women. He's tall, handsome, and fit, not a common trend amongst the male counterparts of his viewers.

He was basically a frat guy comprised of everything he preaches against now. Grifting to the extreme left only accentuated his appearance where as before his looks didn't carry him far in a sea of masculine men.

>>18512748
>unironically a scalp massager would probably be similar without the stabbing yourself part
if microneedling = massaging then all the post wall women would spend 24/7 massaging their face instead of paying hundreds for clinics to microneedle their wrinkles

>>18513154
We're talking about two completely different applications. If the balding was caused by an injury impacting the surface tissue then maybe you could compare the two? Forcing your body to heal your scalp isn't going to magically repair your miniaturized follicles, if this was the case balding would have been cured a long time ago with a simple head trauma once over. The only thing that's actually going to happen is an increase in blood flow in response to the injury, like a watered down minoxidil. In fact standing on your head for an hour would be better if that's what youre after.

>>18507031
sounds like a skill issue + you got soft hands, if you would work an honest day of work your insomnia would go away lmao

convince me to take oral minoxidil

got 0 gains on topical, but scared of oral

>>18513651
maybe try tret+topical min first, it's good for your skin either way
oral min sides are way more common than fin/dut

Does excessive fapping cause balding? A bunch of "medical" websites say that it's a myth, but I don't trust these pharmajews.

>>18513845

>>18503057
>>18503060
>>18503521
>>18508042

>>18513845
only your genetics cause balding. you can make it worse 100% without question

>>18513845
No. Busted 1-3 nuts every day since 2006. Started losing hair rapidly in 2024. Currently nutting 3-5 times a day on Finasteride (libido through the roof)

>>18507443
Change dermatologist, holy fuck.

My GP convinced me to hop on Finasteride and fixed my caution. Imagine being coddled by a derm, jfc

>gooned for 6 hours straight
>came so hard I got a ballache
is this a dut side?

I've >>18509999 confirmed my fears that I'm a (NW2) mild diffuse thinner, looked at some old photos and it seems I got it around the same time I got temple recession (18-20)
when I part my hair, the top is clearly thinner compared to the sides but there are a shit ton of baby hairs growing (2-3cm) so that's good I presume
This is probably something I'll see a visible improvement in longer-term since I have medium-length hair

I wonder if slapping oneself on the skin hard enough to redden the skin might not accomplish the same thing that microneedling does

>>18513845
Maybe it depends on the individual. I noticed my scalp started to itch like crazy after I fapped a few years before I noticedy hair thinning. Skipping days made the post fap itch less severe. Finasteride further reduced post fap itching.

>>18514119
No.
>>gooned for 6 hours straight

I don’t understand why guys don’t just go skinhead/suedehead if they’re balding

Shaved heads are so attractive

>>18514272
what is a suedehead
>Shaved heads are so attractive
no, attractive people with shaved heads are attractive. probably 70% of the population at minimum looks fucking retarded with a shaved head, even if theyre halfway decent looking, because they have oddly shaped heads or very imperfect or asymmetrical faces and being bald exacerbates these things.

>>18514292
suedehead is a subculture, look it up. It is like a diluted more classy form of skinheadism idk how to describe it

AW ohmygoshhh cmon this isn’t the 1950s as mic as we wish it was, mid century modern textbook standards don’t really apply alas it is a different time. I think you need to be less hard on yourself and others

All the genetically “perfect” humans in this world tend to become quite narcissistic and desire to be unique and different that’s why the most attractive people on earth destroy themselves

I’m just trying to shed some light, no offense

>>18514156
I tried to take some photos, first one is of the back of my head - you can see that the hair at the back of my head is of uniform and higher thickness, while there are a lot of hairs somewhat shorter than my actual hair on the top.
I presume these hairs have started growing at the same rate as healthy hair/deminiaturized when I started doing fin due to their length, which also makes it hard to take a photo clearly showing a distinction between them and healthy hairs, and I'm pretty sure I can feel a mild improvement in density by running my fingers through my hair and it seems like there's less scalp showing but I do have slightly longer hair now than before I started.

>>18514617
It takes multiple hair cycles for miniaturized hairs to be growing at the same rate as your unaffected terminal hairs. Multiple sheds or multiple years, it's not a one time thing and you're cured.

>>18514637
Then maybe it's just normal or slightly miniaturized hairs growing.. it's barely perceptible from anything other than very close range anyway
It is a bit frizzy compared to back hair but I take care of it with conditioner
And maybe it's just mental illness.

if you're nw3 and above in all likelihood drugs are not saving you, best case scenario for 99% of people is slight regrowth

in these kinds of cases, you're best bet is to stay on meds and get a hair transplant, even a 2k graft transplant is basically equivalent to a hyper responder from fin/min

>>18502225 (OP)
you look like doskei

2025 and no cure for baldness, unreal

>>18514953
what about nw2

>>18515102
most guys with recent loss seem to recover from NW2, however what I've noticed in most is that you can't regrow the upper(?) temporal point to its original square or obtuse angle
my experience is >>18509999

>>18515102
Nothing wrong with maintaining that NW2. Any hairline is better than slick bald.

Does fin/dut really shrink ur prostate to the point where you cant find it anymore?

>>18515097
pp405 is coming soon

>>18515561
>just wait another 5 years for cure
>t-t-this time it is going to be working!!

anyone know how the autists from discord ended up when they wanted to buy some pp405 analogue from chines chemical companies?

>>18508747
>>18507443
>derma still hasn't prescribed minoxidil for me
>calls me up a few days after visiting
>"we need more labs please get this information over to us and we'll order them for you"
>send them the information
>a week passes, don't hear shit back
>call them again today
>"we need you to order them instead, thanks here's the list"
>already sent them 4/6 of the labs they're requesting
>but they want new bloodwork even though the other shit is only a month old
>already had 2 bills in the mail from the bloodwork company telling me to pay them for the other bloodwork I got done as part of my yearly checkup
fuck this dude just give me the pills already
why do you need an iron test before giving me minoxidil? fuck off

>>18515566
Five years and I’ll be old and irrelevant.

I'm gonna be honest, my sex drive is already low and I can only get 1 or 2 erections a day. And they're only adequate.

If my libido drops even a tiny bit I'm fucked, my test is solid for my age(mid 30s and 543) so I honestly have no clue. I haven't even enjoyed porn for years, so not porn addiction.

I am still a norwood 1, but I am noticeably shedding all of a sudden, I dunno if its worth risking my already below average libido and sex drive.

What do you guys think?

>>18515609
Also does just Minoxodil often have sexual side effects?

>>18515609
I wouldn't do DHT blockers if I were you
>>18515611
no

>>18515617
So derma roll/stamp with minoxodil and just accept whatever the outcome is for that? Sound like my best bet?

>>18515628
for now, yeah, maybe it's not even MPB, do you have a photo?
if you ever wanna do fin make sure to get an endocrinologist consult first

>>18513853
Thanks bro.
>>18513863
Well, there aren't any bald men in my family, neither on my father nor mother's line. At the most Norwood 2's.
>>18508042
>So not follicle miniaturization
So the hair shed is not permanent if it happen through prolactin spike?
>>18514158
Then did your hair grow back in those spots? Sometimes I get itching and sharp pinprick pain in my scalp in a few places after I fap, and those are the places where my hair is thinner.

I'm not thinning at the top or sides at all, but my temples are skyrocketing recently. i had norwood 1 since i was 16, but now i'm 26 and i feel like i've gotten to norwood 3 in span of a year, maybe two
is there anything even to do at this point without jumping on the tranny drugs?
been shaved bald already and liked it so it's not the end of the world for me, but wanted to see how i look like with long hair, seems it's not gonna get to that at this rate though

>>18515706
what the FUCK is that pattern, I don't think there's a norwood for that one

>>18515706
brutal

>is there anything even to do at this point
topical minoxidil (oral is better but needs a prescription)

>>18515715
He’s losing at an odd angle. I thought the same, don’t worry.

>>18515736
I guess he's looking down and it's a very extreme M-shape? very confusing perspective

>>18515736
Posing*

>>18515706
If it's recent you can bring it back

Hey guys,

What kind of diagnostic tools should I be looking for if I'm looking for a in depth assessment?

>20m, diffuse thinner
I started oral dut and min not too long ago but I'm trying to get some concrete information on how my hair follicles are actually doing. I want to know if they're dead or not and what my chances of recovery are

>>18515759
nobody will be able to tell you for sure
the only thing you can do is wait(tm)

>>18515762
I know there's some tools that can tell, I've seen it in studies where they measure follicle count per cm2 and the diameter in order to verify miniaturization stage, you can also still see open follicles that haven't scarred over

>>18515764
I don't know about yours, but my phone can take very good macro shots

>>18515641
>So the hair shed is not permanent if it happen through prolactin spike?
As far as I know, the follicle is still intact. So no, it isn't permanent.
However I would still advise anyone experiencing MPB to hold back on gooning, as who wants to shed hair more than they need to, and affect their hair cycles while on treatment?

>>18515759
just take monthly pictures of your hair under the same lighting conditions. you will go insane if you hyper fixate on a process that moves this slow. it will take at least 3 months minimum to notice anything for the minoxidil and dut you are looking at around the year mark.

>>18515740
ye this is it

>>18513132
Ever notice how small his skull is?

Finasteride is shrinking his head.

i have a disgusting scalp filled with dandruff
it's somewhat itchy and the hair's all greasy too but i don't want to wash my hair because it just strips my hair away and fills up the shower drain

goddamn balding is just brutal
i hope there's a cure soon because look at this dude here >>18515706
it must be pain living with this

>>18516026
the funny thing is it's not really visible with curly hair that much, since the receding goes far but isn't wide
definitely not gonna stay that way for long though

>>18516038
eh it shows, if you know what you're looking for it's obvious

>>18516067
ye, true
probably gonna do that minoxidil for some time and if it doesn't do anything just go back to shaving bald

>>18516117
no way min alone is saving you with hair loss that aggressive, probably not even gonna buy you any time

TEVA will no longer make Fin tablets as they think the side effects outweigh the benefits

>>18516294
>Israel-based
all you need to know

>>18516294
They'll probably keep making 1 mg tablets because they can sell them at a higher value. The meta of buying cheaper 5 mg prostate pills and quartering them to save money was bound to be too much for these greedy pharmajews

It's been 2 years since I started taking fin, still the best decision I made in my life.
My wanks have never been better (decreased DHT conversion means more free T), and getting more compliments on my hair from my peers. Heil fin.

>>18516627
How much and how often are you taking it?

>Derma doesn't want to prescribe me minoxidil, keeps pestering me for more bloodwork (that they are refusing to do themselves), so I would have to go to a doctor, get my blood drawn, and pay out of pocket for the results
>Manage to talk them into the prescription without getting the blood work done
Just passed a speech check IRL holy fuck

>>18517220
congratulations, you're learning normie stuff

>>18517220
thank goodness for telehealth and otc rogaine, I don't think I could deal with constant doctors visits and blood tests just to get 30 days worth of pills at a time, what a fucking nightmare

>>18517175
1.25 mg every morning (never skipped)

can this still be saved by min and fin?

>>18517571
i would guess so

>>18517571
yes, start now

So transplants, even if you get one you still need to take Fin/Duta right?

I could be saved without a transplant with Fin/Duta right now but I fully believe PFS sufferers and don't wanna risk my health.

>>18517778
>So transplants, even if you get one you still need to take Fin/Duta right?
yes
>I could be saved without a transplant with Fin/Duta right now but I fully believe PFS sufferers and don't wanna risk my health.
ok cool (y)

>>18517778
You will try anything when your balding gets worse and at that point it won't be nearly as effective as it would have been. Many such cases.

>>18517826
I'll just get a hair system and keep my dick functional if that's the case.

>>18517831
I bet you won't. 1 more norwood and you will rush to every med available to try and save it. Nobody has a non functional dick you are either reading fantasy or your entire story is a lie so that you push this tired narrative about how righteous you are.

>>18517778
>I fully believe PFS sufferers and don't wanna risk my health.
Get bloodwork done at least before ruling out one of the most effective and proven medications. It's really sad to see young men in their prime norwooding because of some schizos on reddit threads taken at face value.
I bit the bullet and it ended up being the best decision I made

nearly 8 months of 2.5 mg dut, my hairfall is still persistent and i'm not seeing much regrowth in my patches
diffused thinning btw

>>18517908
It's pretty well understood man, not sure why you feel like demising it's harm

>>18517926
No it's not.
You're going to ignore a whole class of medications because some mentally ill retard told you their skull shrunk and their skin stopped producing sebum after taking just one fin pill.

>>18517930
SSRIs and Benzos can also cause permanent issues in a small amount of people.

The going theory for all these is a genetic defect of some kind, honestly hope they can isolate and screen for it within a few years. Knowing if you're one of the rare few predisposed to PFS/BIND/Whatever you wanna call SSRI damage would be innovative as fuck and save lives.

>>18517998
the only notable source of sides is from extremely low-T men getting gyno after the increased testosterone aromatizes to estrogen, I don't think TRT would save them either

>>18517998
PFS isn't a diagnosis nor has the medical community even identified it as theoretical lol. Just lump all of these conditions into severe psychological delusions and don't prescribe crazy people anything besides anti-psychotics.

Someone post OP pics for the next thread.

>>18518094
i couldn't go more than 3 posts in that subreddit, it was far more unnerving than if I had just started browsing gore

>>18518094
also that guy has a fully intact hairline wtf why is he giving up so quickly

>>18518109
He's being groomed by the bald cult within that subreddit. They get them young.

new thread >>18518132

>>18517571
Yes but shave it off and microneedle as well