Thread 18504296

Do Americans dress like slobs because they don't have school uniforms?

Which would also explain why they are so afraid of dress shirts, trousers, suits, or dressing up in general. Most of this resistance against suits comes from Americans, because they're used to dressing like slobs right from childhood since American schools don't have uniforms or even a dress code. You don't see this kind of whining against suits from Asians, Europeans, or even Africans.

Wearing school uniforms will not only get them used to wearing dress shirts, trousers, and suits, but also free American school children from the pressure and distraction of looking "fashionable" at such a young age, and prevent them from getting indoctrinated and groomed by fashion and cosmetics corporations right from childhood.

If you want to "express yourself" through your clothes, then do it when you've fully grown up and understood who you are, rather than letting your children be told what to look and dress like by clothing brands, corporations, and now social media influencers, who want to get rich by preying on children's underdeveloped brains and insecurities.

>>18504296 (OP)
No.
First of all we have school uniforms in public, private, charter, and parochial schools. How do you make this thread and miss that preppy private school blazers and sexy catholic school girls in their uniforms are a thing in American media?

Whatever reason authority figures give for making kids wear school uniforms is completely bunk. It's been proven that uniforms solve none of the issues that school administrators and school boards claim they do. The uniforms are only about control and extracting money from parents, which is another reason that style of dress is dropped upon leaving school.

Americans don't dress up in slacks and shirts and ties daily because we live in a country that has no history of true class or nobility, so people are just way more causal about the way they live, interact with each other, and present themselves. Most of our jobs don't require formal attire. Most people don't work in an office or within academia. Also t-shirts and jeans and baseball caps are pieces of clothing that originated within America, literally the rest of the world is wearing our cultural clothing. It looks causal because its become so ubiquitous around the planet, I've seen more than enough photos and videos of people in Europe and Asia to know that they are not dressed any better than Americans, they're in the exact same type of clothing. Maybe the fit is a little tighter, and Americans weight more on average but other countries have quickly caught up in obesity. I think the only country where I consistently see people dress well, like nearly every person I see, is Japan. Everywhere else is just America lite.

>>18504296 (OP)
No. Australia has school uniforms and they dress worse than Americans.
It's a pan-Anglo problem beyond school uniforms. it's a cultural illness, daresay disability.

>>18504318
truth nuke

>>18504318
>How do you make this thread and miss that preppy private school blazers and sexy catholic school girls in their uniforms are a thing in American media?
Because those are less than 5% of schools in America. Most Americans go to regular public schools where you can wear whatever.
> It's been proven that uniforms solve none of the issues that school administrators and school boards claim they do.
They implement discipline, uniformity and equality among children. So it doesn't matter which economic, social and racial background you come from. You dress the same as everyone else in the class. It creates a sense of community and unity. The same reason why teams in sports and competitions wear uniforms, because you're part of the same team and in it together.
>The uniforms are only about control and extracting money from parents,
You're paying money for one or two sets of clothes that you'll wear for the entire year or even following years, as long as they fit. So you're saving a ton of money on clothes. You don't have to worry about buying new trendy clothes every few months, or else risk looking "unfashionable" or "poor".
>Americans don't dress up in slacks and shirts and ties daily because we live in a country that has no history of true class or nobility
Americans used to dress in slacks, dress shirts and suits all the time until the 60s. The stopped doing that after jeans were pushed onto people by Hollywood through movie stars like James Dean and Marlon Brando as an act of "rebellion" against traditions.
https://youtu.be/ePH--widhXk?t=5
And yes, globalization and America emerging as the sole superpower after WW2 did ensure that America was free to Americanize the rest of the world. So for better or for worse, the entire world wears jeans and t-shirts. The recent rise of tech giants in Silicon Valley has casualized people's dressing sense even more.

I'm from a country where school uniforms are a thing in almost every school. It sucks actually.
>>18504401
>They implement discipline, uniformity and equality among children. So it doesn't matter which economic, social and racial background you come from. You dress the same as everyone else in the class. It creates a sense of community and unity.
The whole class wearing white dress shirts didn't create any of the shit you're fantasizing about. It also didn't do nothing to hide income inequality, because no matter what you wear you're going to leave school when your lessons end and see that one kid getting picked up by an S-class, and the other walking to the bus stop.
>You don't have to worry about buying new trendy clothes every few months, or else risk looking "unfashionable" or "poor".
You're insecure of something or you're trying to create that insecurity in others to convert them to your cause. Nobody cares about you being unfashionable, especially if you're a boy. Same thing with being poor, although I'm not too sure if that applies to the US.
>Americans used to dress in slacks, dress shirts and suits all the time until the 60s. The stopped doing that after jeans were pushed onto people by Hollywood through movie stars like James Dean and Marlon Brando as an act of "rebellion" against traditions.
And that's an awesome thing. More clothes being socially acceptable means more choices for you to express yourself. And you still get to wear your boring suit.

>>18504413
Except, everyone dresses in the same kind of clothes today. It was skinny jeans and slim fit t-shirts in the 2010s, now it's baggy pants and cropped baggy shirts, or sweatpants and hoodies. You aren't expressing yourself anymore than in a suit. They are all wearing uniforms, just in a different style. So how is wearing suits boring compared to that? If anything, when people were wearing suits they came in every color and pattern imaginable (not just black and navy blue), unlike the same black, white, grey and navy blue t-shirts and sweatpants you see these days.

Even if they did, the difference would be that, every suit was tailored to your exact proportions, making it your own. So you expressed yourself much better in them, instead of wearing the same mass produced piece of clothing in a vaguely standardized size worn by tens of thousands of of other people.

>>18504401
>Because those are less than 5% of schools in America. Most Americans go to regular public schools where you can wear whatever.
I'm pretty sure that's wrong. It's definitely way higher than 5%. I had school uniforms for every school I attended, my nieces and nephews all wear uniforms. I rarely see school kids outside, walking to school or at recess without uniform. In our children's clothing stores there are sections for school uniforms, for families that don't want to or can't purchase directly from the schools.
>They implement discipline, uniformity and equality among children. So it doesn't matter which economic, social and racial background you come from. You dress the same as everyone else in the class. It creates a sense of community and unity...
Again this is all bullshit, it's not true at all, they've researched all this. Uniforms stop none of this, and they definitely don't create a sense of comradery or community. Uniforms are only about control, the teachers and administrators want something to be able to discipline students over. Uniforms have no positive benifits to schools, student behavior, and education whatsoever.
>You're paying money for one or two sets of clothes
Even the poorest students here but more than two sets of uniform clothes. We have nuclear families, two working adults, no grandparents or aunts and uncles living with the family. Laundry gets done once a week or every two weeks. And yes it's a way to squeeze money out of parents, one year my high school made it so that the only official uniform shirts you could wear had to be purchased from the school, otherwise you'd be sent home everyday, and marked as truant.
>Americans used to dress in slacks, dress shirts and suits all the time until the 60s.
Nope in the 50s and 60s they did not dress up in shirts and slacks and suits and ties. Look up photos from those years. Photo I posted is from 1960. Formal dress didn't last long in America at all.

photos from the 50s

>>18504429
>Except, everyone dresses in the same kind of clothes today. It was skinny jeans and slim fit t-shirts in the 2010s, now it's baggy pants and cropped baggy shirts, or sweatpants and hoodies. You aren't expressing yourself anymore than in a suit. They are all wearing uniforms, just in a different style.
Trends exist, yes. Most people aren't into fashion much and buy whatever is cool these days, yes.

And yet formalwear is the last thing you should consider expressive - it's extremely conformist to what society deems acceptable for your social role. Suits are formalwear.

>>18504296 (OP)
>most of this resistance against suits comes from Americans
Try setting foot into an office in western Europe.
>prevent them from getting indoctrinated and groomed by fashion and cosmetics corporations
They get indoctrinated by the state to dress like cookie cutter wageslaves from and early age instead.

>>18504429

“they are all wearing uniforms, just in a different way.”

That’s some profound shit man.
True af

>>18504318
>Also t-shirts and jeans and baseball caps are pieces of clothing that originated within America,

denim, and indeed denim trousers originated in europe as early as the 1700s.
t shirt type tunics have existed forever
you can have "baseball caps"- enjoy/

>literally the rest of the world is wearing our cultural clothing.
if you're correct what you're basically saying is america gifted us sloppyness. that's not the win you think it is.

>>18504730
Both the modern blue denim jeans and t-shirts used as workwear are specifically American and gained popularity because of Americans. The t-shirt in particular doesn't come from a tunic design but came from a one piece undergarment.
>you're basically saying is america gifted us sloppyness. that's not the win you think it is.
And yet all of you fuckers are wearing it, including you. Now try to lie and say you don't own t-shirts and a pair of jeans.

>>18504857
the modern 5 pocket design is indeed an american design. well i say american, i mean German's design.,
I do not currently own a pair of 5 pocket denim jeans, nor any pair of trousers made of denim.
The T-shirt design is derived from several precedent garments including tunics and underwear.
I own t shirts to work out in, sleep in and to wear undershirts.

But if it makes you feel better - yes, I too have at times dressed like a slovenly american. thank you for the gift of clothing that demonstrates a total disregard for my appearance and a lack of respect for those i have to interact with.

Would you like me to thank you for other style gifts from the USA such as the sagging prison style 'pant'... the inability to wear a jacket with a correct sleeve length and the endlessly stylish Hawaiian shirt ... thank you! truly you are the gift the keeps giving.

>>18504296 (OP)
We have school uniforms here in the UK and most adults dress like absolute shit, just tacky athleisure, or literally just wearing pajamas to go to the shops.

>>18504296 (OP)
No. As a brit I think that people dress worse because of school uniforms. If your first encounter with semi-formal clothes are slim fit polyester shirts and a blazer where the darts are taken in very tight (this is what lost British school uniforms are like) then you will probably avoid decent clothes and just go with a t-shirt + jogger bottoms.

Also the uniforms are increasingly unisex and tailored like it's the 90's, or at least that was the case when I finished my secondary education a few years ago. So imagine a bunch of 12-16 year old girls in male low rise trousers that don't fit (or a kilt, because skirts are banned in a lot of schools because they roll them up to look like anime girls with ridiculously short skirts) and a blazer thats very slim fit but has ridiculous amounts of shoulder padding that make their shoulders look like those of body builders.

A lot of poor families just don't do smart clothes. They assume the blazer will be worn like a coat so they never wash it, but you have to wear it all the time so you can tell who is poor by who fucking reeks (despite the point of the uniform ostensibly being so poors aren't bullied for not having in-trend clothes). The blazers cost £45 and poors refuse to spend money so most kids have to make do with ONE (1) blazer that is not washed more than once a term. This is so entrenched that most towns have established charities to give school uniform to parents who "can't afford school uniform [and enough tobacco to choke an elephant]." I gave mine away after I finished school.

You have to ask permission to remove the blazer in each class unless the head teacher (principal) issues a standing order permitting just shirts.

This is assuming the students even use the uniform as clothes. At my school the blazers got used like matador cloths in fights and you would slide a ruler up your tie to hit people. I hate state schools so much it's unreal.

TLDR: if anything school uniformss discourage smart dress.

>>18504401
This is the cope given in Britain for school uniforms, but the class system is very entrenched so there are always other "tells." People will literally refuse to associate with eachother over this stuff.

You can tell who is poor as their uniform is unwashed/creased or in the wrong size. Shoes and bags are another tell. Proles try to get away with black trainers. Same with jewlery. The material of your school bag is also a "tell." Even things like socks. At my school we had a thing where we bullied people who wore white socks because "it's not rape if they've got white socks on."

British state schools are barbaric shitfests and if I have children they're going to a private school if I can help it.

The clothes are universally of shit quality. They broke frequently, but were made of poor material so poors could easily buy them (and then refuse to buy them).

>>18506325
Btw if all that fails, they will just discriminate against eachother basd in accents as most of the time in Britain it is absurdly easy to tell someone's social class based on their accent. Schools actually used to try to get everyone to talk in RP (standard english) to stop this but it basically never works and they don't bother nowadays because making people speak RP is now considered some sort of discrimination.

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>>18506356
this is now a ginger snaps thread