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what's amouage's best all rounder? not counting reflection man.

>>18509254
>what's amouage's best all rounder? not counting their best all rounder
beach hut man maybe?

>>18509248 (OP)
So what are some fa approved bodywash, shower gel, shampoo and body lotions?

>>18509248 (OP)
I was so disappointed with how green this was and how little neroli there was. Incredible let down. Smelled like sniffing a snapped stem.

>>18509261
>filtered by green frags
ngmi

>>18509261
ep is drugstore quality at designer prices

I was excited to get into fragrances 3 months ago and bought a bunch of shit a cologne subreddit suggested and now I realized I don't really have the nose to differentiate smells. I just know if something smells good or bad to me. Should I just get rid of everything and get multiple bottles of the same line so I have a signature scent or continue rotating different scents?

>>18509281
I hope you're right if you got all that shit in 3 months. Differentiating notes isn't important to you enjoying different scents. If you like to switch it up, then keep hem, if you enjoy the same scent for weeks on end maybe go with that, I personally get sick even of things I love after wearing it for a couple of days in a row.

>>18509281
Wew lad
Probably the best thing you could do for yourself right now is stop buying, stop consuming fragrance content entirely, spend the next few months thoroughly exploring what you already have, and maybe then sell off the bottles you don’t love.
Your tastes will change, and that is a ton of juice to go through

>>18509281
easily one of the worst collections i've seen posted here in a while

>>18509281
more money than sense? put all of it in a drawer, don't touch it other than using it and sample at least 2000 fragrances. after that, feel free to post itt.

>>18509281
Delete reddit first, then keep rotating those fragrances. You have more than enough to wear them around the house or spray the back of your hand while you're scrolling so you can come back to the scent repeatedly and get a better feel for how it evolves and which notes come out as it dries. Your selections are good enough for noob variety, though probably bordering on excessive as there is a good amount of utility and genre overlap. If you decide you want to explore fragrance as a hobby or experience it as an art form, study the OP charts, learn how to use fragrantica search, pick out notes and fragrance types you're curious about, and for the love of god buy decants or samples first. I have about 50 fragrances but only a handful of fullsized bottles.

>>18509257
L'Occitane makes some really nice ones

I got a bottle of Crabtree and Evelyn's Patchouli Cologne. I mentioned it last thread, here is my review: it smells like patchouli... big surprise. I guess I didn't know what patchouli actually smelled like, it's very sharp and very intense on its own. It has some earthy dirt undertones but you have to get through the sharp green and camphorus scent. I'm going to train myself to get used to it out of pure spite. Bull's Blood from Imaginary Authors was so trash and overbearing that it almost ruined patchouli for me. That's why I stopped wasting my time with cheap trashy brands since they can easily ruin notes for me.

>>18509370
If patchouli is the only thing you took away from Bull’s Blood your nose has some work to be done regardless.

>>18509281
>I just know if something smells good or bad to me
That's good. Use it as a guide to find out what you're interested in and what you want to avoid.
>Should I just get rid of everything
You could if you know what you want but otherwise you should really focus on what you have and learn from it as much as you can. You definitely should stop spending your money. It's ok to make mistakes as long as you learn from them and don't double down. There is really no bad collection if you like them but if you don't try to build a collection you're happy with.

>>18509281
the h24 really weighs the collection down

Guerlain Homme
Any good?

Mitsouko is so comfy bros how did he do it

>>18509414
lay off the weed

>>18509417
I'm stone cold sober right now

What frags can you recommend that are true year-rounders? Always a good wear, from freezing cold to sweltering heat.

>>18509419
Guerlain Vetiver, Le Male EDT

>>18509381
There is nothing about Bull's Blood that would necessitate anything closed to a skilled nose. It's linear like all IA fragrances, and also has a disgusting synthetic smell. If you can't see how much unrefined patchouli there is in Bull's Blood you have me beat and I'm a certified noselet. Yes there is more to it but it's torturous to endure and an assault to the nostrils. If you are defending IA please reconsider your life choices, you could be shilling for literally anything else. It's the worst thing I have ever smelled and IA is the biggest scam in perfumery.

>>18509248 (OP)
I generally go for woody-musky stereotypically masculine “green” fragrances but want to explore more fruity or sweet gourmand style perfumes. Any recs for an intimate one (e.g for a date) that isn’t too cloying?

Thoughts on Acqua di Parma’s Arancia di Capri? Very realistic orange but may be dated and with shit performance.

>>18509281
It’s very difficult for an untrained nose to pick out single materials in a fragrance, especially when you’re not familiar with the different aroma molecules that make them up. It takes a long time to learn, it took me close to a year, on the upside, I can now differentiate between EOs based on what metal they were distilled in. If you’re interested in familiarizing yourself with the different molecules that make up fragrances, my advice would be to buy as many aromachemicals you can find and smelling them at different dilutions. Regarding your collection, I think it covers every olfactory family, so I would hold off on purchasing more fragrances, especially the 100ml format. If you find yourself drawn to more scents, try with getting your hands on smaller bottles.

>>18509467
It’s only natural for hesperidic fragrances to have poor longevity (although I’m working to change that), and I understand how a more modern type of consumer could be put off by that, but it’s a great fragrance worth considering nonetheless, especially if you value the classic cologne style DNA which I think acqua di Parma utilizes wonderfully, while also making it more palatable to consumers with less refined tastes.

>>18509419
Literally none. Anybody who tells you there is a fragrance that performs equally well in both extremes is lying.

>>18509441
>>18508143
>I like every perfume in my collection. What did I do wrong? Maybe I'm just a noselet.
You’ve already admitted to being a noselet, let’s leave it at that.

Think there's a general limit for fragrance price/quality. I've tried a whole lot of $300+ frags and none of them have justified the price in terms of quality or artistry.
And I'm not poor, I can afford to splash 500 on a frag if I like it, but I'm just yet to find one that was worth that money compared with frags around the 100 mark that work just as well
Boudicea is the worst. you're literally paying for the bottles, and they are very sexy bottles but i'm not a bottle collector i just want something that smells good and lasts

>>18509478
>hesperidic
Is there anything that this word describes that isn't already described by just saying citrus?

>>18509495
I enjoy the premium niche market, product that is very expensive. I understand /frag/ isn't huge on fragrances that are over $500 retail, but to me, those scents absolutely obliterate anything that can be had for $300, $200, much less sub $150. The lower you go in $, the smaller the probability that the scent lives up to market leaders.

>>18509506
What premium scents are you referring to? Any LVs?

>>18509507
>LV
>Premium Niche
lol

>>18509487
There are multiple reviews of people calling it terrible and the worst thing they have smelled. You're a shill so we could also leave it at that.

>>18509508
ok ignore that part please im retarded

>>18509504
Citrus the family of citrus fruits
“Hesperidic” is the stylistic category

>>18509506
>/frag/ isn't huge on fragrances that are over $500 retail
You mean the likes of Areej Le Dore, EO, and Bortnikoff?

>>18509525
Those are not fragrances, they're gimmicks

>>18509526
You're not going to name the expensive fragrances that /frag/ isn't into, are you?

I prefer fragrances that BOTH smell good & gets me compliments.

>>18509529
>And have good longevity.

>>18509529
and that is....

>>18509261
I might get jumped for this but I don't like Neroli-forward fragrances. J&J ruined this note for me because I always smell it when I was a kid from cheap baby colognes.

>>18509549
I wouldn’t even call that a neroli forward scent, it’s all stem and chlorophyll, little to no neroli.

>>18509546
E R O S
R
O
S

Got a whiff of TdH Parfum and it smelled like licorice. I guess I could make out the "stone' note, sort of dry earth and cold but I have no idea how to start with "lava".

Been several months now where I've been ordering samples instead of wasting as much time with fragrance channels, forums etc. I get a nice packet of 4-5 tubes coming in a couple times a months, and it's better this way desu

>>18509248 (OP)
Those OP pictures are fucking gay, boring and repetitive. /frag/ deserves better kino

My wife is absolutely nose retarded. She can't tell the difference between ultra male and aqua di gio Profumo. She might have some legit disease or something

Thoughts on this?

>>18509281
it looks like you're set for life (or a few years at least)
just wear them for a while, rotate them to see what you like/don't like and go from there
you can maybe look them up on fr*grantica if you're interested in notes/similar frags/seasons when people wear them/etc.
also this: >>18509320
gl;hf

>>18509391
>t. noselet

>>18509394
yes, it's a good frag

>>18509414
talent

>>18509450
Tauer Sundowner
Nasomatto Baraonda
Nicolai Cuir Cuba Intense (not gourmand but just sweet enough)

>>18509506
post some frags
let's hope you're not talking about stuff like Boadicea, Roger Bird, C.Clive, etc.

>>18509549
>I don't like Neroli-forward fragrances
grim

>>18509591
cope, seethe and dilate
please also post better kino (>inb4 literal gay shit)

>>18509608
grim

>>18509546
Anything on the fr*grantica top 25 for men's designer fragrances

>>18509506
i remember your posting style, you are a retarded faggot. kill yourself

I'm going to get rid of most of my bottles and keep only the following
>one tropical summer scent for very hot days
>one warm, spicy, cozy winter scent
>one everyday frag to wear all year round
>one frag for special occasions
Is there anything I should add/subtract?

As a brown men with a white german GF, i can't believe how someone can date inferior women like asian, blacks, browns and so on.
Sotd Unum Lavs.

>>18509691
That guy is part filipino and you were shitting on Asians in the other thread. Go fuck yourself faceblind retard. Dont claim his achievements as your own you retard.

>>18509694
Not a thrid worlder, but german/black myself.
Post your collection, btw.

I just blind bought Sartorial since it’s allegedly being discontinued. What am I in for?

Looks like 2 gay blokes to me (one of whom has a huge nose lol).

SOTD: Dior Homme Sport

>>18509713
it's a nice fougere

>coomer mutt is claiming to be african now
lmao
>>18509689
>Is there anything I should add/subtract?
something whimsical

>>18509281
Some of these are good, but it's crazy that the internet brings people to buy a 10 year supply of perfume in 3 months, when their tastes haven't settled yet

>>18509698
I hope you look forward to being deported when the AfD get in

>>18509519
Literally nobody calls it that except tarts who want to sound clever.

>>18509691
>>18509698
That's a man on the right btw
They are a homosexual couple

Samples came in bros.

Passage D'Enfer - A resinous, white lily, bit bubblegummy, dark scent. It screams FUNERAL. It has an intoxicating, dark quality to it, kinda like a kiss of a beautiful woman by the river who drowns you to death. Has a soapy drydown, though.

Aventus Creed - This is surprisingly more familiar to me than Sauvage. They're not lying about the pineapple opening. It's sour-sweet but not cloying, has a bit of greenness in it, leathery base is nice. Really good DNA. The projection is strong and it's long-lasting.

Hermes H24 EDT - I like this one. It smells vegetal, a bit metallic. It's like a futuristic take on aromatic fougere. I get tiny bit of of tea/unsmoked cigarette drydown, but no notes are listed can someone explain? Probably just my skin chemistry.

Serge Lutens L'orphelina - A warm, smoky-sweet fragrance. Has a mineralic drydown slightly reminiscent of Terre D Hermes. I expected straight up incense, but it's like a mix of white floral and incense. A bit more wearable than Passage D'Enfer. Surprisingly lean masculine.

Sauvage EDT - Honestly not as bad as people say. I thought it would be better than Y EDP due to its popularity but Y EDP still wins for me. I give it credit though, it's a good modern take on traditional masculine scent.

>>18509775
>perfume
>funeral
based

>>18509725
>something whimsical
Yeah, I was thinking about just relying on samples for that. I've learned the hard way that "interesting" frags are not worth getting a full bottle of because there's barely any occasion where you'll want to wear them outside of at home for your own enjoyment

>>18509775
>a beautiful woman by the river who drowns you to death
Oof I had a dream like that not long ago
Very creepy

>>18509689
>>one everyday frag to wear all year round
It could work if you find something that fills this category. I am of the belief that anything that works all year round would have to be so tame that it would not be enjoyable to wear.

>>18509786
Prada L'Homme, TDH, H24, GIT... There are many clean, crisp frags that are wearable pretty much anywhere at any time. Might not be very interesting scent profiles but they're safe and smell good

>>18509777
If you wore it to funeral nobody would notice. It will mix among the flowers, it's a white lily bomb lol.

>>18509783
You're probably a sailor in your past life.

>>18509789
>If you wore it to funeral nobody would notice. It will mix among the flowers, it's a white lily bomb lol.
that's why you should wear Rien to funerals

>>18509591
Yes, fragrance marketing today is utter trash. Before I got into perfumes /frag/ used to have custom made OP images that fit the perfume, not the AI faggot. I thought it was the coolest thing, I wonder if that guy died because by the time I got here they were gone. The least the OP could do is start with one of the amazing vintage ads, and not this hideous new crap.

>>18509775
I like l’Orpheline a lot. It’s very austere and reminds me of being in university around all those old stone buildings in like late November when its cold and overcast.

>>18509791
Are you talking about the neroli perfume in the pic? Looks very real to me.

>>18509793
No, there was a guy posting literal AI faggot shit. The current OP doesn't look AI but all modern marketing uses the same boring bottle surrounded by ingredients. It's so fucking brainless and lame.

>>18509796
it's a real pic from the EP website
post better pics if you don't like mine, i normally use them if they are not shit

>>18509796
Wokeshit destroyed advertising in general

>>18509797
I'll make the next OP with a nice vintage ad and I'll get rid of the Luca ad.

>>18509800
no, you won't

>>18509743
Afd is a deep state party. Only poorfags getting deported. Rightards should know it better since Trump.

>>18509792
It reminds me of late night Christmas masses back in 2000s in my country. I swear, they used high quality incense back then. The one they use nowadays smells like burning paper with myrrh thrown in.

>>18509691
>>18509698
>>18509803
Long time no see, coomer mutt. Where have you been?

>>18509812
probably working in the cotton fields

Post your favourite fragrance poster.

>>18509803
That's a man in a bikini.

>kinda like a kiss of a beautiful woman by the river who drowns you to death.
worst general on 4chan

>>18509820
yeah, thanks to you
feel free to fuck off

>>18509568
LOL LMAO even

>>18509782
i think you should just be yourself ans wear what you like instead of conforming to some arbitrary standard of fume
>>18509812
probably busy making gyros

>>18509802
Why not?

>>18509827
it would make the thread even more gay than it is :'-(

>>18509828
How would a vintage ad make the thread gayer?

>>18509832
with its presence

>>18509832
>>18509833
see also >>18509817

>>18509803
Try saying that once your front door gets kicked in at 3am
tick tock

How come some iris frags like Green irish tweed are not lipsticky, while the old Dior Homme line used to be?

>>18509886
IIRC florentine and German variants of iris tend to be more powdery while some are on the fruity/green side.

>>18509886
Green Irish tweed doesn’t have iris

>>18509901
It does

>>18509903
There is no Iris in green Irish tweed, you might be thinking of something else

>>18509905
I just checked and only fragrantica lists iris as a note, the official site does not and neither does parfumo, so you might be right. My bad

>>18509906
I’m looking at the original formula of green Irish tweed right now, it’s mostly made up of green, citrus and Woody aromachemicals. Fragrantica tends to be a little wonky with that

>>18509886
Iris can give a soapy and powdery effect too, and that's how it was used in men's fragrances sometimes before DH made gourmand in your face waxy iris popular. It's also present in stuff like Lalique Lion, which is also not lipsticky

i'm looking for a fragrance I smelled a few times that I absolutely want to get my hands on.
It was a very smooth scent, very cozy but not in a warm or gourmand way, it was slightly sweet, clean smelling. I'm bad at identifying specific notes but it gave a comforting vibe, like a really luxurious laundry detergent or something. It's the kind of scent that could fill an entire room and it wouldn't be cloying.
Any idea what it could've been?

>>18509915
no

>>18509915
YSL Myslf. Have you recently just smelled it?

Noob here, are there bigger versions of the images under the OP? I got samples and a few bottles but have at least one regret so far and trying to learn more to aquire bottles more intelligently

>>18509925
No I've smelled it regularly over the course of several years but every time I just get wafts of it on the street or wherever and can't tell who's wearing it
MYSLF Parfum was similar in the drydown but that wasn't it. The EDP wasn't that similar though but yeah it's that kind of scent dna I think

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>On August 26, 2025, Chanel will officially launch Bleu de Chanel L’Exclusif, a new flanker to the iconic men’s fragrance Bleu de Chanel.
>Bleu de Chanel L’Exclusif was created by Chanel’s in-house perfumer Olivier Polge, who describes it as “a dense, sophisticated, and complex composition… a concentrate of exceptional raw materials. The most magnetic facet of Bleu de Chanel.”
>Bleu de Chanel L’Exclusif brings sandalwood, amber, and labdanum to the forefront, offering a reimagined perspective on the original composition.

>>18509935
Baccarat Rouge 540?

Rate my collection /fa/

>>18509936
Based, I already asked my shopper in France to snag me a bottle the day it drops.

>>18509939
gay/10

>>18509938
Nah not at all, none of those saffron and sugary notes, completely different frag. Baccarat doesn't smell clean to me and it can definitely be cloying
You were right in the first post, it's close to MYSLF Parfum but it can't be that because I smelled it years ago and MYSLF wasn't out yet

>>18509942
so you like it?

>>18509948
meh

>>18509936
I smelled this the other day and it's worse than sauvage

niche western oud recs?

>>18509981
PdE Ruade

>>18509981
AdP Oud

>>18509908
do you think the retards on fagrantica make the scent pyramid according to the aromachemicals used?
>>18509936
i'm tired boss. it's going to be uberslop
>>18509981
henry jacques

I hate spending so much money on something I 100% know is overpriced just because of the brand name, but goddamn is this good. What a beautiful scent.

>>18510008
What is it like?

>>18510007
No, very very few people actually know what is in commercial fragrances, as the actual formulas are extremely well kept secrets. I don’t think fragrantica workers have access to them. The only reason I know is because I am working in the industry and have been involved in some creative processes for large fragrance houses. Be weary of people who say (or sell) formulas they claim to be originals.

>>18510008
just get the yom and layl clone
>>18509936
whats so funny?
>>18510010
kinda earthy, like the air after a thunderstorm

>>18510014
>Chanel released BDC L'Exclusif Absolu Elixir Concentrée instead of bothering with a masculine pillar frag
pretty funny ngl

>>18510008
>400$ a bottle
>They still misspelled "orange"
Smh desu senpai

>>18510017
kek

>>18510016
Maybe they're just releasing this to make people wait while they work on the next big thing (tm)
Hermes came out with H24 which was not a success. Dior hasn't managed to convince consoomers with its new dior homme line. YSL MYSLF isn't even as popular as Y.
The true sauvage successor has not been invented yet, Chanel wants to shake the fragrance world with their next release

>>18510010
Citrusy, green fresh and spicy, woody, earthy, the iris gives it a classy powdery touch but to me in this frag it's less powdery and more sparkly. Not sure how to describe it differently but in the air it comes across as sparkly and effervescent which gives this rather classy and mature DNA a more modern and youthful touch. Might be the combination of citrus and iris, not sure.

>>18509936
>poorfags ITT seething that they can't afford it as a novelty

>>18510023
kek

A smokier BdC Parfum could be cool. But early reports I'm reading aren't super promising.

>>18509915
Amouage Reflection Man

>>18509915
prada l'homme

what is the consensus on Dolce & Gabbana the one EdP

worth picking up?

>>18510042
imo it's the best designer date/cold weather frag ever made. I slightly prefer the EDT though

>>18510042
Attractive scent with a smooth tobacco note, longevity isn't great but I think it works well if you hit clothes.

>>18510013
my point is that the notes on fragrantica are often bullshit because the team and the users are retarded. their fragrance database is missing a lot, especially when it's foreign niche or artisan. the notes on parfumo get reviewed (to see if they match the official notey) by multiple people before they are saved into the database, but they often generalize notes. pick your poison
meanwhile, basenotes...

>>18510052
Unfortunately, I’m only aware of fragrantica so I cannot really compare to anything else. I still think fragrantica has its merits, especially because it has introduced so many young people to the world of fragrances. It’s easily understandable and has a large user base.

>>18510052
>basenotes
worst of both worlds, not worth looking at

>>18510032
Is it that good or is it just a more refined version of Le Male?

>>18509926
Open them in a new tab or download them and you will be able to zoom more. They are large enough.

>>18510061
>less refined
ftfy

>>18510042
Yawn

>>18510061
they’re not that similar apart from being white-flower powdery with a woody base. reflection man is more polished, transparent, and woody, while le male leans warmer and more gourmand. whether reflection man is still worth the full amouage price in 2025 is questionable. the newish nikos sculpture parfum smells better imo and costs only a fraction.
ChatGPT fragen

>>18509936
>wakemeup.jpg
Did anyone else think they were actually cooking something to follow BDC that would really change things up instead of just aping the elixir trend?
Superleggera should have been a clue I guess, Chanel is done

>>18510129
Have hope >>18510019
Not counting the private lines Chanel is overall the most high quality designer house, perhaps tied with Hermes. Surely they'll release something good at some point

>>18510129
only one anon has any hope left (see >>18510130)
that's it

>>18510131
You need to have hope in life. Do not despair.

>>18510133
>mfw when

>>18510058
the only good part is the forum.

>>18509691
>>18509698
Wonder how it feels to cum in his asshole.

>>18509915
Based on this description it could be next to anything.
Where did you smell it (sephora, niche frag store, ...), what did the bottle look like, how much did it cost... ?
>>18509936
>L'Exclusif
Does this mean it will end up in the Les Exclusifs line and a 75ml bottle will go for €240?
I think it does.
>>18509981
Accord Oud by Byredo (it doesn't smell like real oud at all).

>>18510138
yeah i absolutely enjoy wasting my time on talking to petty argumentative boomers about smelly water.

>>18509936
For those who are wondering, Bleu de Chanel L'Exclusif will be an August release exclusive to Macy's only available at 100ml for $275.

>>18510144
I just sprayed this, I fucking love this. So balanced and clean compared to modern stuff.

Luv fig, luv sandalwood

>>18510163
i thought someone must be a special kind of retarded to buy a designer at this price but then i remember there's literally people buying tom ford private line slop for 250 USD per 50 ml

>>18510130
Who cares that they're high quality when they haven't released a single interesting fragrance sine the 90s?

>>18510147
at least they usually have smelled the scent they're throwing shitfits over

>>18509936
these fucking faggots. if they were going for another flanker instead of a new frag, they should have gone lighter, not denser
> but muh fall/winter
faggots.

>>18510286
You think they'd make more money selling a cologne concentration BDC? Give us more of your genius insight.

>>18510129
was superleggera really a CAHS flanker, or a tweaked lighter BdC? I never got to smell it, but it seems it had a big grapefuit note.

>>18510130
copium smells of Iso E Super.
two more years.

designers really stretching the limits
>>18510143
> 75ml bottle for 240 eurobucks
>>18510163
> 100ml for 275 usd
>>18510008
> 400 USD

>>18510289
I didn't say a cologne concentration. Parfums are just not more fragrance than EdPs, than EdT.
I want something "lighter" than the EdT, in the blend, more citrus, less amber, slightly different wood profile, the smoke/incense can be the same as the EdT or some EdP batches.
Concentration could be either EdP or EdT.
Well, the bean counters at Chanel are the ones that know the market.

So whats the deal with santal 33, is it any good

>>18510340
too popular to wear, even if it was good

>>18510340
even worse, it is extremely popular among mexicans (and latinamericans), because one faggot made a song titled like that. A lot of his fans later complain that they hate the perfume, but he uses so, whatever.

>>18509281
join facebook swap groups and get rid of the ones you don't want.

the more frags I smell the more I realize that Dior is really just the GOAT. Everything they have released is great.

>>18509939
I like YSL Libre. I think it will stand the test of time.

I've been kind of obsessed with fragrances for the past 2 years or so and these are my favorites. I don't own them all but here's what I think is great. Rate my taste.

>Antonio Puig Quorum
>Dior Homme Intense
>Dior Eau Sauvage
>Dior Sauvage EDP
>Dior Homme Sport
>Dior Fahrenheit
>TF Noir Extreme
>TF Ebene Fume
>TF Costa Azura
>TF Oud Minerale
>Orto Parisi Bergamask
>TdH
>Penhaligon's Halfeti
>PdM Haltane

>>18510340
Just buy the Cremo Palo Alto from Target. It's 20 dollars, performs better and smells more masculine.

>>18509915
Burberry Touch or the OG Le Male

I had some free time at the lab today and decided to blend up a small batch of my own “creative take” on TdH after all the talk about it these past few days. I tried extending the citrus and introducing an orange blossom note while also adding more earthy notes. It smells very good, I’ll wear it the coming weeks.

>>18510404
> Everything they have released is great
> Dior Homme Parfum 2025
> new Dior Homme line in general
I like the latest DHS. Close, but not cigar.

>>18510019
without being a clone, it will be a nublue like LV Imagination and it will swiftly be ripped off by Dior or PDM

>>18510349
Yeah nobody wears that anymore, it’s too popular

I think about 10 years from now designer houses would start stealing ideas from niche brands and then the consumers will eat it up like gourmandslop nowadays

>>18510480
I don't think there are any ideas worth stealing from niche brands. I love niche and prefer them over designer stuff but I don't think it's anything groundbreaking. It's just like a B-Side and slightly different take on the mainstream. The good ones at least, the worst niche just do mainstream trash but worse.

>>18510507
sounds like you've just been smelling masstige
>>18510433
no add some castoreum. and then slide me a sample.

What are the best fougeres? I love GIT

>>18510433
That kind of sounds like you created Dunhill Icon

>>18510551
Rogue Fougere L'Aube
Zino/Beau de Jour
Drakkar Noir/Rogue Bon Monsieur
MDCI Invasion Barbare/Histoires de Parfums 1725
Le Male EDT
Trumper Wild Fern Cologne
PdE Fougere Bengale

>>18510560
Thanks. Of all these I've tried Le Male and Invasion Barbare and I didn't like them, they were too sweet and didn't have the green smoothness that made me enjoy GIT and CW. I don't know if it's the ambergris or whatever but there's something in the GIT dna that's so addicting but not sweet at all

>>18510564
yw

>SOTD: PdE Musc Tonkin
floral, animalic musk, quite similar to Amouage Gold Man, performance is good, unisex (maybe a bit on the feminine side), very wearable frag for spring-summer-fall

>>18510566
Thank you I'll check it out

>>18510567
btw Musc Tonkin is not a fougere, just a good frag and my SOTD

Are any of the spicebombs still worth buying? Loved the smell, but my bottle is gone and afraid of reformulations

Also AdG Profumo no longer being sold, is AdG Parfum a good alternative?

>>18510569
get Trumper Havana Cologne

>>18510560
Most of these aren't even fougeres.

>>18510587
>Most of these aren't even fougeres.
yeah, right

>>18510566
>similar to Amouage Gold Man
noselet

>>18510595
pls no bully :( :(

>>18510598
they're not even close, makes anything you say about fragrances appear dubious immediately

>>18510603
>aura loss on an anonymous mongolian throat singing imagebord
i think i can live with it
still, i will wear Gold Man next, it is s ofc possible that you are right

>>18510569
It seems like nothing quite lives up to the original or Extreme flanker, but the Extreme was definitely reformulated after being popular for so long.
All the Night Vision and Infrared flankers seem to be mediocre at best and Dark Leather has ass longevity. Metallic Musk seems to have some decent ratings so far but it’s still very new. Got a sample of it recently, haven’t had the chance to test it yet.

a new Bogue frag just dropped
>come
i think i will do just that, brb
(notes: Civet, Ylang-Ylang, Benzoin, Honey, Fig, Black Tea, Agarwood (Oud), Vanilla, Patchouli, Olibanum, Bergamot, Cade oil, Labdanum, Tonka Bean, Jasmine, Musk, Immortelle)

>>18510631
Will probably smell like hippie bookshop just like all his other scents.

>>18510633
>t. noselet

>>18510340
Soft sandalwood and sour pickles.
These days it's possibly the most popular niche frag you can find, so if you live in a big city you'll look like you're just following trends.

>>18510415
5/10 they're all very safe, some even boring traditionally masculine scents, with little variety among them.

just bought davidoff cool water edt, first fragrance ever, don't have a dad to know what's good. couple questions,
should I be wearing odourless antiperspirant,
is this a good choice (was 25 quid)
will I smell like an old fogie

>>18510740
Cool Water EDT is what my dad's richfag boss wears all the time, I personally don't like it back then because I find it too strong but I have associated it with luxury now lol

>>18510740
Don't worry about autistic stuff like what deodorant you should wear, nobody is going to smell it anyway unless you walk around with your arms in the air
And yes Cool Water is probably the best really cheap frag out there, good choice

>>18510740
Cool Water comes as a deodorant, an aftershave, AND a shower gel. You can go all out with matching scents if you wish.

Crazy how there hasn't been a single interesting designer released in the past 5 years.

>>18510769
H24

>>18510770
It's only interesting in how bad it is.

>>18510775
>t. noselet

>>18510415
>Antonio Puig Quorum
Hard pass. I did an oldie roundup and wasn't impressed by any of them including Quorum. They're all synthetic fresh into carnations into sweet woody / mossy. All of them. Some have fake synthetic leather notes.
>Dior Homme Intense
Fine. Nice
>Dior Eau Sauvage
Fine. Not particularly good but it's a deodorant but easy to overspray
>Dior Sauvage EDP
Fine. Not particularly good but it's a deodorant with a great bergamot note
>Dior Homme Sport
Fine. Not particularly good but it's a light deodorant
>Dior Fahrenheit
Quite different to anything else here, and not typically worn anymore. I personally prefer the Parfum because it makes it wearable 3/4 season.
>TF Noir Extreme
Fine. Standard TF rounded corners feel. Good for celebrations and easy to like.
>TF Ebene Fume
Fine. Standard TF rounded corners feel. I think this is by Rodrigo Flores-Roux who make a good balance of approachable / experimental stuff.
>TF Costa Azura
Fine. Standard TF rounded corners feel. I don't like buying TF freshies. They're way too overpriced for a 4 hour fragrance.
>TF Oud Minerale
I dislikes this one. Oud Wood is great. Oud Tobacco I didn't like but I understood the appeal, but OM I didn't really enjoy. The combo needs to be salty sweet like a smokey woody cocktail but it's just ocean runoff.
>Orto Parisi Bergamask
Nice but far too expensive. It's a realistic bergamot and a nice musk. There's no reason to pay this heavy for so little. It's a lot of reputational wank.
>TdH
Nice classic
>Penhaligon's Halfeti
I like this one a lot, but I think it gets too earthy at the beginning. I actually prefer Oud Malaki by Chopard a much more approachable version of this DNA. Dominic Ropion did a really nice job with it.
>PdM Haltane
It's a nice velvet-Oud. I own this one. It's easy to wear. people shit on PdM for good reason, but some of their stuff is really nice.

>>18510769
Sel D'Issey

>>18510785
>I personally prefer the Parfum because it makes it wearable 3/4 season.
NTA but you think Fahrenheit EDT is not wearable all the time? When I tried it it was nicely ozonic and floral
>some of their stuff is really nice
Which are the best PDM?

>>18510785
>They're all synthetic fresh into carnations into sweet woody / mossy. All of them.
lol. lmao.
>>18510794
paid shill

>>18510795
Yeah to me Fahrenheit Parfum is less versatile, feels more dressed up/cool weather. I wear the EdT all year except for peak summer heat. Granted, this is the modern formula which isn't petrol-heavy.

>>18510433
Fragrances are a product and a product that lasts longer is a product that sells better but I always feel scents that last too long are never as good. They either turn into a synthetic mess, sickeningly sweet, or just straight up gross body odor. There is a sweet spot for me, certainly if I can smell something after an 8 hour work day that is a long lasting scent and often it still smells good. If I can still smell what I put on in the morning into the night then it's usually something I don't want to smell anymore because it has become unappealing. I'm not only talking about the base notes. Sometimes I spray something and it smells amazing but I can just tell it wont last long. Other times it's easy to tell it could have smelled better but they prioritized longevity. I feel it's easier to make a scent last longer than it is to make it smell better. I'm I way off on this?

TLDR: Any downsides to making a scent last longer?

>Drakkar noir
>Cool water
>Fahrenheit
Any other old school, masculine frags that aren't chypres or very dated but not modern fuckboy gourmands either?

>>18510866
>Any downsides to making a scent last longer?
nta but yes, sometimes a long lasting frag can be too much of a good thing
also, the aromachemicals needed for such a frag are not always the most subtle and making a good frag last can also make it more expensive

>>18510867
Boucheron Pour Homme

>>18510867
Guerlain Vetiver

Did amouage reformulate beach hut man?
I remember smelling it few years back and loving it nearly commiting to a bottle, I've revisited it recently and it was as good as I've remembered, so I bought a sample and the opening is sweet instead of being dry, and it REALLY DOES NOT WORK it has a vomit-like quality to it, headache inducing stuff, it calms down after 3 hour or so, especially if you sweat, and goes back to being as good as I remember it, but holy shit the opening is ruined in the sample that I've got.

what fragrance would he wear?

>>18510896
Bleu de Chanel

>>18510867
Platinum Egoiste
>>18510872
>>18510883
Based

>>18510896
sauvage elixir or ultramale

Thoughts? Is this worth buying as my first designer?

>>18510904
have you considered actually smelling shit before buying it?

>>18510904
Don't care for any of this line. All the same generic sweet slop.
Azzaro Wanted is another line like this. Utter shite.

>2h Longevity
>Intimate Sillage

>>18510908
It's why I will never buy VIW despite it being my favorite warm weather scent

>>18510906
Will smell it first ofc before buying
>>18510907
I like Azzaro Wanted but only up to The Most Wanted parfum release. Their other succeeding flankers are too immature and clubby for me.
>>18510908
It's a new fragrance, fragrantica users always do that

>>18510795
I think so - My Fahrenheit is very heavy; too heavy for most of the year. The Parfum gets everything under vanilla which I think makes it much more wearable. It's still very heavy too - i'm not saying it's magically a light Hermes thing.
>Which are the best PDM?
Herod is the best of the house imo. Then it's a tie between Carlisle and Layton. I prefer the standard of both rather than the exclusif because the drydown is more airy on both. Then Oajan if you really like cinnamon. Someone on this board was talking about how it's a rip of Ambre Nargille but the Hermes lines are all very light and Oajan wants to be very heavy. In Marly I think only Herod is really worth the money, and the rest are optional if you can get a great deal on them.

Most importantly - Just get 5ml decants. If you just care about the smell and not the glasswork, then just pay $25 for a big sample instead of hundreds for these bottles you'll never finish.

It's too fucking strong. The projection is insane. Today some mature women asked me what I was wearing, I was like 10 metres away from them.

Are these two offerings scams in your opinion? Prices seem too good to be true, but other websites charge way too much.

https://www.ricardo.ch/en/a/tonnerre-beaufort-london-(decants-abfuellung-1-2-5-10ml)-1290600584/?srsltid=AfmBOor-36EtOF6gBZbs_68WNlDGJvqRqu68vXV8uIJwkvMj_i5Ifhyu

https://splashfragrance.in/tonnerre-by-beaufort-london-edp-perfume-decant-online-india/

bros should i drive 30 minutes to smell Dries Van Noten Rock the Myrrh?

>>18510945
Yeah life is short

favourite 'fumes are

L'homme ideal parfum
Prada L'homme
Nostos
Oud Minérale
1 Million Parfum

Roast me

>>18510904
It anything buy a bottle and store it then sell in the future since it's a limited time release.

>>18509254
Beach hut man and lyric man

>>18510936
Yeah women love it, it's too synthetic for me.

>>18510951
One Million has the worst bottle ever made, it’s like it was cooked up in a lab to ensure with laser precision that it lands on the dresser of 14-17 year old black boys

>>18510943
They're decants, which are always scams.

>>18510960
I always assumed it was 99% chicanos buying One Million. The bottle looks like something you'd see on the shelf next to Negra Modelo and tamarind candies.

>>18510951
>1 Million Parfum
I've been looking for good masculine florals, is that one of them?

>>18510936
Something in this frag makes me nauseous and I don't know what it is. The fact that it's so strong makes it even worse.

>>18510956
No, that's literally why they make them limited to make people buy shitty perfumes they wouldn't otherwise buy because of fomo.

>>18510945
>Dries Van Noten
absolutely indian

>>18510936
i love it but i remember i had to go over to a family member's house to water their plants and when they came home two days later they could still smell it

>>18510964
I'd say yes. More than myslf.
>>18510960
Totally agree, and Paco R totally succeeded, so good for them
>>18510963
The bottle is unbelievably and unapologetically gaudy, opulent and brash, but it's not totally tacky. Unlike the bottles designed by Arabs, who completely lack taste, you can glimpse a certain savoir faire, balance and taste here, especially when it comes to details and dimensions. They thread an outrageous line but they thread it masterfully.

Who recommend this for summer? It's way too dense for a hot and sweaty summer day. Why the fuck isn't amber listed as a note? Literal amberwoods drydown and it's not listed.

>>18511006
>and it's not listed
Ambrofix is listed, basically another flavour of ambroxan sloppa

>>18511009
I mean the main accords. I know it's not official but it irks me.

>>18511011
If you put shit like ambrofix/ambroxan/amberwood in a fragrance it's going to be the dominant note after the dry down, always, every time, and it lacks any variation or nuance that the old natural fixatives had like oakmoss or ambergris so it means all these modern releases smell the same after a few hours.

>be at work
>decide there will be a bottle of fahrenheit for under $60 on fb swap group when I get home from work
>open group
>70/100ml bottle for $50 on the second post
Nice, didn't really need to buy more shit this week but I'll take it

My current collection. Got samples of La Yuqawam, Safran Colognise, Bois Imperial, Aoud Lemon Mint, and Encre Indigo. Wasn’t completely wowed to buy a bottle but Safran Colognise seemed solid - maybe I will.

>>18511027
Thoughts on Eau Fraiche?

I ignored my narcissist coworker who wears Naxos and complement the one that wears Nautica Voyage and I think I broke him because he's been quiet for days...

>>18511104
You didn't know but that's how you get into heaven.

These arrived yesterday. Caron Le 3e reminds me of Dunhill for Men, but way more refined and subtle. I've also heard some folks compare it to Lalique Pour Homme, but I'm really only getting that now, 12 hours in. Closer to Boucheron Homme, but again, more elegant. Lots and lots of floral stuff in the top. Feels older than it is, but not in dated way.
Gentleman fucks. It's similar-ish to Yatagan, but less wild and outdoorsy.

>>18511116
Can't find Caron frags anywhere in the UK except for dodgy looking websites which I don't trust.

>>18510866
As I previously discussed in another thread, a large portion of the briefs I receive outline tenacity, so I’m very familiar with increasing a fragrances longevity and projection. I cannot disclose what fragrances I’ve worked on, but I have worked with some major houses that have various concentrations of one fragrance, think EDT, EDP et cetera. In the case where I’m working on a preexisting fragrance, it’s a difficult game of balancing strong molecules (400+ hours on blotter) while also keeping a similar scent profile. The most challenging aspect of all this is trying to create a novel drydown that doesn’t end with the well known combination of iso E super and Ambroxan. I consider it a downside, but in the end my fragrances still sell (exceptionally well in some cases), so I’m not too worried about it. In the case where I can create a new formula, things get a little bit easier, I can experiment with different longer lasting aromachemicals, and if I’m working with a luxury fragrance house (and the price per Kg allows it) I use more costly types of Naturals. I am exceptionally fond of Labdanum absolute and Cypriol in oriental compositions and various types of Elemi in fresher fragrances. I think the real downside is not being able to fulfill your original vision because you have to build around very strong molecules that take your fragrance in different directions, so what could’ve been a very great fragrance might end up smelling very differently because of the inclusion of molecules that shouldn’t be there.

>>18511040
I had it too, but gave it away. I like the notes/structure, the starfruit was cool, but Versaces tend to have some component that doesn't gel with me. I switched to Eau de Rochas Homme, which I like much better.

>>18510468
wouldn't that mean it's not popular anymore

>>18511149
It makes sense that longevity is a balancing act and why so many end up smelling the same when they're pushed. That's why I use the longevity ratings to figure out how overrated or underrated scents are. People will shit all over an amazing smelling perfume because it doesn't last long.

>tfw intoxicated on a good frag
>tfw no sissy spraying
>tfw spray all the time without leaving the house

>>18511184
All spraying is for sissies. Men splash, women spray.

>>18511040
Citrusy/Fuzzy/Fresh Laundry Ambroxan bomb. Impossible not to like it but not super unique.

I think this is the best 1 milly. I like the pithy orange.

Yo /frag/ what's a tranny programmer scent? Asking for a friend

Why are designer fragrances becoming so expensive relative to the alternatives? There's no reason to buy them when niche of higher quality exist almost at the same price point and Arab sloppas offer the same stuff for like $20

Lataffa khamrah was so gross. I don't know how people liked it. It had a vaguely cinnamon/praline thing going on so it got compared to Angel's Share, but it was nauseating.

>>18511040
I like it a lot. Has a quality to it of flower stems - if you broke apart a dandelion and smelt the stem in a way. Overall white floral green quality mixed into a very mass pleasing blue kind of thing. hard to not like, prefect for the 85- 95 degree days Ive been having. Makes me think of the 2000's around the time of my childhood of the spring and summer being outside, makes sense because its a 2006 release. I have given away my bottles of dylan blue, Light blue intense, explorer, and colonia intense in the past two years, they were okay but I just didnt meld with them as a personal scent.

>>18511215
Companies found out that the law of demand isn't real, you can keep increasing prices and demand doesn't fall. By definition "niche" and even clones don't are not competition for designer fragrances.

>>18511224
Law and demand wasn't broken, companies just haven't found the equilibrium price yet where the vast majority of people won't pay what they ask

SOTE American Amber

Nostalgic and powerful musky oud smell, almost bordering on cola-esque at the top. Reminds me of smelling stout-beer from my drinking days. Really challenging, but interesting scent.

https://www.folkwinds.com/product/american-amber

This has been sold out of limited edition for a long time, so this is one of the rare cases where I will savor the full 2mL splash vial I got from Luckyscent.

>>18511210
stink and lack of self care
anything with cumin will do
if you want to smell eletronic, i think ghost in the shell might be a good bet, but i havent tried ir

>>18511236
very nice
ive been interrested in folkwinds for a longtime but they always appear to sell out instantly and quickly become unobtanium. uber niche for sure

he seems to use deer musk often; it makes me wonder if he actually has real deer musk or if he's substituting with something else

How do you apply a fragrance with no atomizer? It is worth buying a standalone atomizer

is it my nose, or the fragrance?
I notice this on some perfumes, but maybe occurs in all of them.
With CAHSEE, initially I got an oscillating pattern, like I got a whiff of sweet orange (and a little musk), and it oscillated to the tonka/vanilla. This would go on for some weeks until I got a more 'unified'/mixed scent, and the mint note became more prominent.
With TF Noir, I initially got a very bitter note just as it starts to dry down. 1 week goes by, and that is greatly reduced, and I get this powdery Habit Rouge/Shalimar in between.
Speaking of Habit Rouge, while I still find it somewhat harsh in the opening, it has rounded itself a little bit.
For Dior Homme Cologne, I used to get a slightly bitter note (some citrus leaf thing) in the dry down too, but it has mostly disappeared.
BdC EdT used to have this strong grapefruit that I liked, but a month later, I don't find it as intense, feeling it more ambery.
Allure Homme ed. Blanche, I used to feel it was a tarty lemon, and now it has again rounded (and I can appreciate all the other nuances)
Guerlain Vetiver also reduced its bitterness after some weeks, and it started to feel a little (very little) powdery.
Even my samples of TF Ombre Leather and Eros Energy changed. Ombre Leather feels less shitty, and the florals come up faster (the """leather""" is still not of my liking). Eros Energy used to have a weird thing on the drydown, but now, it has changed, and the pepper is not as intense.

Is this the power of oxidation? In a couple of days, weeks, 2 months at most?

>>18508340
about parfimo
winter palace just arrived, the package is equal to those on tiktok influences and feels premium, the box is incredibely well made, the batch code checks, and the fragrance smells like i remember and even better desu
im 100% sure it's not fake, now they have my trust

>>18511027
good selection

>>18511210
I second ghost in the shell

>>18511224
>law of demand
The price and demand model has never described luxury goods well.

>>18511285
Thanks.

i should have never got a sample of Dior Homme 2011. Why did they get rid of it? DH Original isnt sold outside Europe and DHI is too sweet. Can anyone recommend some woody iris in the same vein? I like the Prada fragrances but I find them too clean. I would like something a little bit more sexy like how the Dior is.

>>18511301
>Why did they get rid of it?
idk, maybe the materials got too expensive or maybe Intense was selling better
anyway, it's similar to DHI but a bit lighter, fresher, less sweet
you could try the Givenchy Gentleman line

FUCK I didn’t know that you can’t ship fragrances internationally. I hope my international forwarder lets it through…but I highly doubt it.

>>18511258
Depends on concentration and your preference:
1. For aftershave or cologne you can splash some on your hands, lightly rub them together, then slide your palms over where you want the scent like neck, arms, even clothes. Real masculine and old school vibe.
2. For EDT you can cover the opening with your index finger and gently flip it over to get some on the tip of your finger, then use that to apply on your pulse points. You can repeat it for each pulse point.
3. For EDP and attars you can dab or do a little drop on your wrist then slightly rub them together and then use your wrists to apply where you wish. I saw a video where they applied indian attars how I previously described a cologne but that seemed excessive for something as concentrated as an attar but it explains those people who smell way too much.

I prefer the second method even for colognes because you can easily do it multiple times and with my bottles my index fits perfectly over the opening so it always feels like that is the intended design. My only concern is contamination, even though I use it after a shower I'm afraid of body oils going back into the bootle. I use method 3 for my attar but only do the wrists, I don't spread it all over.

You can get a syringe and pour some in a decanter with an atomizer. I have considered it but I only have a few and they seem to work well as a splash. It adds a nice variety and vintage feel to the collection.

I'm starting to think the guy saying BI smells like cola might have a point.

>>18511345
Yes you can; it just gets marked hazmat. I had a bottle shipped from both Japan and the UK recently.

>>18511492
Which retailer in the UK?

>>18511492
there are certain laws depending on the country and the sender can have contracts with the shipping company. it'll always be the senders problem, so you receiving two shipments doesn't really mean anything.

>>18511520
Not telling you, fed

>>18511524
Ok

>>18511301
are you Indian? I've noticed Indians love DH and iris notes

>>18511537
No, I’m white. But I do live in Canada so maybe their miasma is affecting me.

Sell me on Oud and animalic accords in general and wanting to smell like shit just because it's expensive.

Everything I've tried from CDG so far has been money. Black even got me to enjoy a licorice note, awesome smoky scent. Looking to try Wonderwood/oud, Blackpepper, and Blue Santal next.

Black Afgano develops well on my skin and on my clothes. It complements my musk. Maybe I was meant to be a pothead.

>>18511577
acquired taste

Anyone have any masculine cherry blossom frag recommendations?

>>18511577
no

>>18511625
no, it's a feminine note, no exceptions

>>18511590
Black Afgano doesn't smell anything like cannabis or cannabis products.
Maybe you were meant to be a pothead, but this frag shouldn't be any indication of it.

>>18511652
imo it smells a bit like hash

>>18511654
no

>>18511656
yes

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>>18511657
>>18511657
>>18511657
>>18511657

>>18511635
Blow me

any oud recommendations?