Thread 18518132

/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!
Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/Balding

Reminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.

Holy trinity:
Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride
Lotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil
Shampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoconazole

Finasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.
5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.
5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.
0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.

Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.
These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.
Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.

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Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.

Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.

Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.

Previous thread: >>18518132 (OP)

>>18518133
oops
previous thread: >>18502225

>>18518133
Everything you said is true, but drinking topical minoxidil is bad for you. It will make you sick and want to puke. It also tastes toxic.

>>18518145
The liquid actually has less inactive ingredients than purpose made oral tablets.
Not really it doesn't taste like anything maybe a slight metallic aftertaste, nothing at similar to chewing on virtually any pill.

Use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-estrogen for female to male HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher lower risk of sexual side effects in men.

Can we post baldspo here? Let's be honest part of the issue is we are scared to be bald because we don't think it can look good.

>>18518174
spiro took me from NW4 to NW2 so.. idgaf now im just on oral minox and fin but a year of spiro restored me. i put up with the side effects and they went away soon as i stopped and had my hair back. good luck staying bald i guess?

>>18518134
>even the poster boy of justshaveitbros looks better with hair
Oh nonono

>>18518227
let the bald turbo manlets have this one man

>>18518192
Its really hard to style a complete lack of hair, you either have a good skull shape or you don't.

>>18518237
I mean like clothing styles and such. Obviously you can only do skinhead or like the "embrace". Maybe the prodigy guy.

>>18518192
Guess what hair looks really attractive, and most people have hair. If you're bald, you're not gonna have that. It's not the end of the world, but this is the reality of it.

>>18518192
Because it can't look good, the best you can do is try to miminize how bad your appearance gets wrecked by it. Do you think its possible to look good without any teeth? No you would need to get new teeth or just take the massive hit to your appearance. Hair is the same idea.

>>18518282
Well I think finding decent style for bald men is smarter on a fashion board than just crying about it when everyone knows only 2 drugs seem to work to prevent it but not cure it.

>>18518308
Hair transplant or one of those scalp tattoos. The only inspo you need is how to make it look like you have hair otherwise it doesn't matter how you dress you will still be a bald guy in fancy clothes.

>>18518338
>otherwise it doesn't matter how you dress you will still be a bald guy in fancy clothes.
This argument is illogical. It would mean any inspo at all was just "X" (short, tall, blond, black, etc) guy in fancy clothes. You aren't very clever.

>>18518145
how so? It only has ethanol, which you would consume in minuscule amounts and minoxidil

>>18518192
you mean copepo

>>18518385
not that anon but that is just wrong.

if you're a random person and go thinspo, you're thin and look better than before. Also,
/fa/ is very clear about first gettin fit then worrying about clothes since, otherwise, you'd be a fat bastard with fancy clothes. Same logic applies here. You can looksmaxx anything you want, you'll still be a bald fraud which makes anything else you do just a cope.

>>18518400
ah so you are the faggot OP of this thread then gotcha: >>18516794

>>18518400
Go back to looksmax, homo

>>18518145
lies

>>18518419
nope.

>>18518449
whatever you say bald-chan

If I was dictator I would make being bald a kill on sight offense.

Anyone caught shaving it off would be unalived.
Don't like the undignified norwood 4 after you let it rock? Get a fucking wig, or die.

>>18518385
And there is probably valid criticism for being those things you listed but this is a hair loss thread. Adding the bald prefix to any load out is just negative points and thats all there is to say.

>Month 4 on Finasteride
My hairline is worse

>>18518663
Actually I just realized I am on month 3

is this even fixable or was the time to hop on ftm drugs years ago

>>18518676
mtf drugs you mean. It depends on what you mean by fixable. You can recover about this part and maybe increase density. You need a HT to get a straight hairline

>>18518676
Probably not without a transplant. You could also respond well to meds and gain back some decent ground, not guaranteed. Regardless it would be better to halt the progression where it is than let it get worse.

>>18518174
>astronomically higher lower
Which one, nigga?

>>18518663
>>18518670
Am I cooked niggas? I spoke to my doctor yesterday. I was under the impression that I was on month 4. I told him I was still shedding, like if I pull in a random part of my hair I'll get 1-2 strands, long with bulb or sometimes miniaturized, then I'll try some more and that area is finished. Try another area, and same thing. Repeat all over the hair and I can end up with 40-50 strands as I do this. Later in the day, I can do it again (maybe not as effective but still, one time I ended up with 80 strands doing this right after a shower)
Doctor said that Finasteride could be ineffective for some people and asked if I wanted to stop

Am I cooked?

>>18518676
I'll be honest, the only miraculous recoveries I've seen all said they gave up on the 5aris halfway through and switched to estrogen and spiro, their hair is nicer than ever but they also have boobs now, being male is suffering

>>18518717
Mayhe try Duta? Also stsck with minoxidil and dermaroller

>>18518717
Its normal to shed like you would never think possible when starting fin. you need to wait and stop pulling your hair out. A couple years ago I was positive another month of shedding and I would be completely bald. Now I'm like a nw2.

>>18518227
He objectively looks worse

>>18518749
But I'm not really shedding excessively just constantly. What Nw did you go from to end up on 2 and around what month did you start seeing progress?
Earlier today I pulled a little on my hairline and got a small miniaturized hair. It hurts
>>18518743
I asked my doctor about it and he said they didn't really prescribe it. I've also read horror stories from people going from finasteride to dutasteride
So I am basically in the cooked area right now?

>>18518764
He looks like a megamind when side by side with his bald counterpart.

>>18518236
I know what the problem is. Without hair, there's just no "stop" at the top. Like, you don't know where the person ends. That's why you look unfinished as a person and like something's lacking at the top.
In jason's case, his remaining hair actually perfectly frames his forehead, so his forehead IS the end. That's why it looks so good on him. If you compare it to vin diesel, for example, you can see immediately how it just looks like an unfinished person. Like something is missing, even though overall he looks great as well.

>>18518775
I think that's why beard goes so good with balding. The balding becomes the mark of the end, it doesn't become a continuation of the bald chin. Bottom part is hairy and the top is bald and finished.

In Jason's case, he has a stub that works perfectly with the stub on his head. This frames his forehead. He looks like a finished person.
So the idea is that people like pic related could earn a lot by trimming their beard down and leaving some stub on their head, and styling the sub so it frames the forehead. They would probably look a lot more handsome that way.
Like this, it just looks inconsistent and unfinished.

>>18518769
whole scalp visible, like a nw4-5 density wise not receding really. Around month 9 the shedding stopped, by 14 i was above baseline. shed again around 2 year mark for a month, now way above baseline, like I was never thinning.

>>18518779
That pic was an example of a bad styling, btw

This pic is an example of another successful styling like Statham. Of course, the guy LOOKS handsome, but the stub on his head balls well with the sub on the beard, and it frames his forehead, and he looks complete, hair or not. I can show countless examples.

Picrel ugly, unfinished

Picrel looks like a complete man

Actually idk what the fuck I'm talking about

Am I cooked bros? >>18518769
I'm going to be masturbating while waiting for replies

>>18518686
this wasn't true for me, I'm regrowing areas that (only) appeared slick-bald from anywhere further than macro distance

>>18518769
btw I switched from fin 0.25mg to dut 0.5mg and nothing changed except increased libido for a few days, I was also taking both fin and dut for a week

I switched to liquid min and I like it better than the foam. Supposed to work better too.

>>18518174
>It is regularly prescribed as an anti-estrogen for female to male HRT
what? Spiro used to be the go to anti-testosterone for MTFs back in the day. Maybe it's still used.

>>18518834
the real strat these days is to take so much estrogen the body stops making T completely, no need for a diuretic

>>18518836
I fucking hate it all
they're taking away my twinks and femboys

>>18518836
Wait, diuretics are good for hair growth? Would drinking coffee, which is a diuretic, help?

>>18518845
no, the anti-androgenic effect of spiro is just a side effect, it's used off label, and for amounts strong enough to force feminize you, you'll be pissing all day and night, there's better antiandrogens available, though these are strong enough that they WILL force fem you and give you osteoporosis in the absence of estrogen.

>>18518849
What do you piss out? It makes you thirsty?

>>18518836
I remember when people were ordering ukrainian bathtub estrogen

>>18518857
>What do you piss out?
cum

>>18518858
now it comes from chinese mare urine

any tips for dealing with oily straight hair? I shampoo my hair and after like 12 hours it's already flat and oily.

>>18518892
i have oily straight hair, increasing hair density with minoxidil really helped, but so does:
>stripping all oils aggressively with shampoo then using conditioner and leave in for at least 30 seconds.
I feel like the conditioner delays how long my hair will stay semi dry before it gets matted down and flat and oily.
Also what really accelerates hair oiliness for me is fapping, I try to shower after fapping now.

Anyone here have experience with bicalutamide?

I'm Steve Oggmaxxing and nobody can stop me

>>18518192
they cant because they all hate themselves

>>18518676
I think you'd get some back and keep what you have. Not going back to nw0 if that's what you're asking. You can always have hair implanted later. However, not losing anymore is already a good goal, you can work with that and still pull the """mature hairline""" with a bit of cope-styling.

>>18518670
to be fair, I've been on fin/min for years but had to take breaks here and there. True, not in my mind results were attained only after a year or more. 3 months is nothing in your hair's cycle, you might see some regrowth from the min, and your shed should have stopped, but nothing much more than that. Be patient. I still saw some gains 4 years in, imagine.

>>18518663
That's a good sign, miniaturized hairs in the telogen phase are being pushed out to be replaced by stronger ones. Same thing happened to me. Now my hair looks better than it did years before I started treatment. Trust

>>18518132 (OP)
gooning feels so good bros
do i really have to stop gooning to keep my hair?

Is adding microneedling to your stack really a 1+1=3 scenario like that moreplatesmoredates guy says?
I've started microneedling 3 weeks ago (been taking fin and min for the last 4 years and my hair is stable, but no further progress) and there's hair sprouting along my hairline, but I've heard that microneedling can cause fibrosis after a long time of doing it, so now I'm wondering if I should keep doing it.

>>18519231
yeah

>>18519276
Basically it doesn't do anything if you're not using topicals. That said you can do topical min + micro needling in conjunction with oral min and get the both worlds if you want.

>>18519276
Basically it doesn't do anything if you're not using topicals. That said you can do topical min + micro needling in conjunction with oral min and get the both worlds if you want.

If this balding motherfucking can snag Monroe, don't be too hard on yourself.

>>18519454
Looks like a failing transplant

>>18519231
I'm never giving up gooning, weed and smoking a pack a day
people still clock me at 18-22 even after a decade of very bad lifestyle choices

>>18519454
>if a balding rich jew can snag the prototype of the mentally ill basic white bitch with undiagnosed bpd, don't be hard on yourself

>>18518892
What helps me is putting min onto my scalp some time after taking a shower (and using some sort of conditioner or hair mask when showering). I cover the whole top of my head with min and let it dry, works well enough to keep my hair dry for at least a whole day, sometimes even two days.
That being said, there's no real method to keep hair like ours non-oily.

Cold showers have made a huge difference.

>>18518227
Jason Statham isn’t remotely a good bald example. Retards like him because of his action movies.

>>18518132 (OP)
Post-Finasteride Syndrome is real.

>>18519853
Nah, its just losers who feel insecure they have depression due to the shit turn their life has taken finally having an out to complain because they can blame it on The Chemical.

>>18519859
nah ur a tranny

Is it over?

is hair fibre spray good solution during the shedding phase of fin,min?
how does shedding lasts?

>>18520037
just buzz and let it grow out evenly.

is there a reliable way to premanently remove scalp hair? ive accepted bald life, i heave good head shape, i just hate shaving it every day. when i look this up online its nothing but people trying to sell me shit, how do you even get reliable information on the internet these days?

>>18520123
destroy your follicles.

thoughts?
both are wet hair

>>18520211
Classic diffuse pattern balding. Easy to recover from if you start treatment sooner rather than later.

>>18520211
definitely balding. Either get on the DHT blockers or accept it. However like the other anon said it is diffuse pattern and fin knocks that out insanely quick.

>>18520214
>>18520215
do you see any difference in the two?
the left is more recent

>>18520220
Left looks better, but the lighting conditions aren't the same.

>>18520220
Different lighting but the bald spot is pronounced even in what seems like a dark setting. It is 100% balding there's no way around it. Dont attempt to rationalize or cope your way out of it as time is the enemy here.

>>18520225
>>18520228
I see, I've been doing fin/min/keto and sometimes microneedling

I'll see how it looks once I get a haircut

>>18520231
For how long? If you are not already: Dont stray from the prescribed dosage, 1mg daily, no skipping days. Look into oral minoxidil if it has been 6+ months without tangible results, you may be a non responder to the topical form.

You have made progress but the lighting makes it impossible to tell. If you can get a picture with the same harsh lighting that would help a lot.

>>18520235
5-6 months or so?
I stopped fin for a single month because I thought I was getting side effects but it was something else

>>18520236
Time and consistency is key. This is what you should do: Stick to the regimen religiously for 6 months. The hiatus from fin will make gauging the effectiveness of the past 6 months of min skewed. After those 6 months if your hair is the same as it is now definitely consider swapping to oral minoxidil which will synergize with fin yielding better regrowth. In the meantime trust the process, you will probably doubt it at times especially if a shed occurs but you need to stick to it with that consistency.

>>18519853
just like the holocaust

>>18518132 (OP)
How long does it typically take for dutasteride to start slowing down my hair loss? I've been taking it 3 times a week for about a month now but I haven't really noticed any major differences so far despite supposedly being more effective than finasteride at blocking scalp DHT levels.

>>18520429
I started noticing at around 4 - 6 months in.
Also I was doing 0.5mg daily, and if I missed a day or two, my next dose would be 1 - 1.5mg. I have very aggressive diffuse thinning though, so if you have moderate hair loss, maybe you won't need to watch your intake that much.

5 months on fin. See all that short hair curling down? All new, and it's still not done creeping down my hairline. Very pleased.

Is it over?
So far I'm coping that it might be the headset I always wear or malnutrition (17bmi), but since no one in my family is bald and I know no one with hair like mine I have no idea what to think....
Friends are biased and I'd sooner end it than ask on reddit, so here I am.

>>18520548
there are 500 different types of hair loss
could be genetic balding, could be something you did to yourself

>>18520552
Exactly, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Since if it's not genetic, I'm assuming there's a chance of recovering without chem. But if it is, delaying will do me no good.

>>18520548
how old and when did it start

>>18520562
also hair loss anywhere else on the head or just there

>>18520562
>>18520563
20
No idea
Maybe on my temples but my hair there's always been very fine.

Is a pink scalp common with mpb?

>>18520567
No it's not common. The hair loss pattern you are experiencing is not typical for male pattern baldness though not impossible, your age makes it double unlikely.

You should try an anti-fungal shampoo like with ketoconazole and change the current ones you are using. It seems to me like you may have a fungal infection or your current shampoo is irritating your scalp.

>>18520570
Thanks for the hopium.
I'll try both of those.

>>18520574
Definitely get a professional opinion
If you don't see improvement. Hormonal/thyroid issues shouldn't be left untreated and hair loss is the tip of the ice berg

>>18520548
Im thinking it's telogen effluvium because it resembles female pattern hair loss which is always hormonal, maybe stop starving yourself and get a blood test done.

>>18520584
Doesn't explain the pink scalp which is telltale fungal infection

>>18520548
looks weird
>>18520584
my dad has female-pattern (F-type) MPB

>>18520638
it looks like this at this point (he's 56) and his hairline is still NW1.00 just like the pic

>>18520639
Yeah thats quite a rare pattern for males probably below 1%. Out of curiosity was he actually checked out by a derm and diagnosed with mpb?

>>18518132 (OP)
What does /fa/ think is worse, a receded hairline or bald spot?

>>18520748
Receded hairline can be effay in some cases. Bald spots are just unsightly no matter what

>>18520742
nope, we have the same hair stylist (he should just buzz it at this point, my mother and I are persuading him to at least try min) and he told me that he's never seen a balding pattern like that and reckons it's stress shedding
however it really does look like FPMPB because it started slow in the middle/part and went from normal 50yo hair thickness to that in about 5-6 years, it wasn't extremely aggressive

>>18520866
and it isn't as bad as that pic but probably at least two-thirds as bad, he can still style it somewhat so it looks semi-decent

>>18520639
That's probably regular alopecia from stress or/and medical conditions.

Is there any advantage to topical finasteride aside from reduced side effects?
For context, I've been on oral fin for a month, no side effects so far, and I want to start the topical minoxidil now too.
Should I drop the oral fin and get a fin/min combination topical, or just stick with the oral fin and get regular topical minoxidil?

>>18520890
iirc i saw some study that it reduces scalp dht better than oral. might be bullshit doe

>>18520890
I've been using a topical fin/min combo for years. I went on it because oral made me feel sick and bloated. If you have no side effects on oral, I'm not sure what advantage you'd get out of switching to topical. It makes your hair stiff and spiky, which is annoying.

>almost 5 months on fin
>no regrowth around the front of my hair where it was worst, but it hasn't gotten much worse
>perhaps some regrowth around the crown, not really sure
Should I ask my GP for oral min or wait a little longer to see if the fin makes me look less JUST?

>>18520948
fuck waiting, you arent getting younger. do everything you can right now.

Already have a low-ish libido despite normal test so not gonna use DHT blockers, have derma appointment next week just to confirm my receding is MPB.

Just gonna do topical Minoxodil and dermarolling, hope I can just halt receding for a few more years. I'm an older millenial so it's a bit less frustrating than many of the anons here, but still sucks.

Any other things I can toss into my regiment besides DHT blockers?

>>18520890
Topical fin is expensive

>>18521058
you should at least try a low concentration topical fin solution before giving up. dont let pfs schizos get to you, there is zero physiological evidence for long term libido issues.
i say this because i wasted half a decade being scared of fin for no reason, got on it and have no sides, and now i need to spend thousands on a hair transplant that will never look half as good as my original hairline.

>>18520948
Significantly lowering a hairline with meds is very unlikely because of how long the process of receding is on average. The follicles are usually beyond repair by the time you have gotten into advanced norwood stages. Thinning crown comes in way later for most norwooders who are not diffuse thinning from day 1 so it's usually responding far better. The most you can hope for with oral min is going down half to a full norwood, beyond that is transplant territory.

>>18521058
it's a bit of a dice throw. some people even get enhanced libido from fin. In my case, I had an initial spike on libido and then it went back to normal, but never below what it was.
Topical fin sounds great on paper. I'd love to give it a try some time but just having a pill and not doing anything messy with your hair is just too convenient.
The only real drawback for ingested fin is lower sperm count/motility that can be reversed when stopped.

>>18521053
>>18520948
this man knows, get on oral min asap.

>>18521091
Bro my libido is so low I can't even get a single erection no matter how hard I try if I eat at a caloric deficit. My T is fine too.

I haven't even looked at porn(unless you count nudes of current GFs) in years.

This isn't even PFS, at least half of people loose at least some libido while on DHT blockers it seems.

>>18521058
You should run a trial of finasteride at least, just stop taking it if you run into problems, which in all honesty you won't. If DHT blocking is ruled out completely then you will need to focus on increasing blood flow to your scalp. Scalp massages, micro needling in conjunction with topical min. I've heard talk about caffeine applied topically increasing blood flow too. You should include oral min as well for optimal coverage, even low dose will help. You can slow it down for a while like this but you will lose ground on average after the initial boost.

>>18521107
Why aren't you addressing the libido issue? That sounds like a serious hormonal problem. Did you actually get blood work done or are you just assuming you have normal T? What about estrogen levels?

>>18521122
Yeah I did, my test is in the 540s which I think is decent for late 30s. Doctor thinks it's anxiety or something mental.

It gradually decreased these past few years from hypersexual levels to below average(but still functional).

Lile 5 years ago I could easily nut 5+ times a day and could even sometimes do it 3 times before my refractory period kicked in. Now I can nut once a day, maybe twice is I skip a day and they still need to be 12 hours apart.

I do get morning wood, which also contributes to why he thinks it's mental. I just dunno, I am afraid of it dropping anymore. I hate doctors, they never seek to actually care.

>>18521136
If its mental then there really isn't an issue with fin. Its not like you will be compounding the problem since your mind is dictating it, not a hormonal response. If anything it might actually help lol.

Finally got oral min today, took me 3 months of bullshit from my doctor / derma
They wouldn't prescribe me fin, if the oral min shit doesn't work by the beginning of next year I'm just calling up some bullshit telehealth thing online and getting fin myself

>>18521164
It doesn't work long term this has been established as fact. You should get fin now, the longer you leave it the less effective it will be. Without it you are merely concealing the underlying problem until it progresses beyond what min can compensate.

>buy remington rx7 for the reddit cope
>they’ve added in safety mode due to idiots who can’t comprehend that hair doesn’t just vaporize while shaving it
>it’s so ruthless that it renders the shaver near unusable
My favorite part is when it locks in after I’ve cleaned the blades when they were working just fine a moment ago while having more hair inside them.

>Blah blah blah PFS is fake
Yeah, yeah.

I'm a Norwood 2 and dunno where I'll stop, how much should I save if I wanna have A LOT of transplanted hairs so I can avoid DHT blockers entirely?

$50k? $75k?

>>18521347
Depends on the density of your donor supply. You don't have enough follicles back there to transplant your entire scalp so you will need a strategic plan from a good surgeon to map out that limited supply. If you don't do this you will end up with a huge bald spot at the back like Joe Biden with too sparse of a donor zone to transplant further. Get a consultation from a clinic, only they can advise you something this drastic.

>nw2 hairline
>ask chatgpt what the average forehead size is for men
>2.8-3.2 inches from beginning of middle hairline to space between eyebrows
>mine is 2.5 inches measured
>still look like I have a big forehead (to me)
make it make sense

75 days on min and fin, feel like my hair texture has improved, still losing 6 or so hairs every time I shampoo, though before today they were usually short or extremely fine hairs. Today's loss were longer and thicker.

Back with an update
>20m, 2 months on 1mg dut 2.5mg min
Still bad, definitely shed a bit, hoping I'll start seeing visual improvement in month 3

>>18521417
>20

You know how plants grow faster if you talk to them and show them affection? Well, using the same concept, when I rub min on my scalp I chant a mantra like "beautiful lush forest" for 30 seconds and believe it or not, I think it is working

>>18521417
I believe in you

>>18521164
wth just use kirklands topical 4 drops a day u retard

>>18520530
Congrats anon.
>>18520548
Imo the safest bet is to assume the worst, which in your case might be early signs of androgenic alopecia. Monitor your thinning spot every month or so, it looks like your crown might be starting to go. Telogen effluvium is not that common and traction alopecia from a gaming headset is a meme unless the hairs are getting constantly tangled on the headset and pulled from their roots repeatedly, which is highly unlikely. Always assume the worst and be proactive when it comes to your hair because it's way harder to get it back than to stop it from going/slowing down norwood.

>>18521107
You might have a zinc deficiency.
I started taking 10mg zinc EOD and I've been jacking it non stop the past couple of months

I got a haircut and thought it would make it look worse, but it actually looks a bit better.

I was about to start minoxidil but i keep hearing tell that it's aging the fuck out of people's skin, and my skin's almost as important to me as my hair T_T

>>18521557
neurotic faggots like you shluld just give up and rot. "noo i cant do anything ever because of le sides!" okay nigger, DO NOTHING.

>>18521564
now say it again without crying, jesus christ

>>18521578
what a pathetic retort lmao, youre just projecting what a little bitch you are.

>>18521557
Oral? Yes. Topical? Unless you’re slathering that on your face, no.

Any chance this is telogen effluvium and not MPB?

I lost over 100 pounds in 7 months

>>18521660
100% male pattern baldness, that is a norwood 3. TG is an overall thinning it would not mimic the classic pattern balding you have.

>>18521557
I don't think so I've been on it for 5 years and I have less wrinkles on my forehead than most women younger than me.

>>18521804
not that im a woman, they're just usually more conscious about concealing/treating wrinkles lol

>>18521660
Telogen usually doesn't leave the scalp slick bald, you should be able to still see the follicles
I'd say you may have been suffering from MPB and the weight loss may have deprived areas of nutrients and exacerbated it

Get on min or something, 7 months shouldn't have resulted in scarred over follicles so they're almost certainly still recoverable

>>18521804
what about dark circles?

This is interesting, apparently if you have a b12, D3, and Methyl Folate deficiency, it can lead to hair thinning and hair loss

If all minoxidil does is dilate blood vessels (since it's a vasodilator), will regular massaging of the scalp give the same results?

>>18522151
This picture on the left was exactly 2 months ago.

This seems really rapid? I'll talk to my derma soon

>>18521660
>>18522220
Losing 100lbs in 7 months is not normal. Losing that much hair in 2 months is also not normal.

>>18522153
None

>>18522220
Looks the same you just had a combover and never noticed

>>18522204
The thing with min is its active for like 22 hours. If you could walk around with some massaging device under a hat 247 then maybe

>>18522220
congrats on the weight loss at least

>mum and sister say I'm not balding
>that I just have thin hair
Either they're blind or they're gaslighting a diagnosed schizophrenic, which should be a crime.

>>18522271
I'm glad my mother was the opposite, she was an absolutely headstrong mean hag about my hair loss.
Every day she would look at it and pester me about it "you look terrible, your hair is very thin, do something about it or shave it off"
She was very straightforward and tormented me about it every day which pushed me to take action and look up fin.

is it over?

>>18522220
Why’d you censor yourself in this thread but not the advice thread you made? We were proud of you before.

>>18522153
nta but I only got them from oral along with puffiness/water retention
I know topical is not going systemic because my eyelashes don't grow longer than normal

>>18522228
I was walking 20-35k steps a day on 1500 cals, often at steep incline near me.

Yeah it all started falling out suddenly.

>>18522267
Thanks

>>18522432
Try to only post face where its needed, try to respect the anon culture of 4chan.

>>18522486
I'd been doing 20-30k on 1500-2000 cal and had regrowth

>>18522220
You are balding and coping will only make recovery harder

you guys also need to post your gooning activity
there're so many diffused thinning cases here, almost doesn't seem like a coincidence

>>18522670
I nut once a day before i go to bed and I was a diffuse thinner.

I'm three months on fin and doing great, but getting kind of impatient. I wanted to give fin a year before starting min just to understand what the effect would be, and not use min for the rest of my life if I don't need it, but the desire for immediate hair-gains is so tempting.

>>18522220
Temporary hairloss can happen when you lose a ton of weight. Idk how to differentiate that from AA if you happen to have both at the same time. The derma can probably help with that. Either way, the side-effects of fin/min are so low that basically every guy who doesn't care for going bald can hop on it without worries.

>>18522670
usually 1-4 times a day for the past 15 years, average probably slightly below 2
no diffuse thinning

>>18522670
1x a day max of 2x on occasion. diffuse thinning

>>18522670
I stroke my meat maybe once a day or every other day depending on how horny I am. Rarely more than once in a day. Crown thinner

Anyone else on fin some days feel like their hair looks absolutely terrible and is beyond saving, and on other days it looks amazing and fin saved their life? Is it cope or genuine hairloss trauma, like an anorexia but for hair sort of deal, if there is such a thing?

>>18523102
body dysmorphia disorder, welcome to the club

should I feel bad because balding is a dealbreaker for me in dating? it's literally a choice in 2025

>>18523102
no what the fuck? My hair looks good or not so good sometimes, but that depends on how dry or oily they are. Normally my hair looks best after one day of washing my hair. But I never thought that it depends on my use of finasteride. You're overthinking worrying too much and like the other anon said you probably have body dysmorphia. Or maybe finasteride is making you crazy, it can have side effects

my temporal peaks have finally started coming in after 4 months, can't wait

I have literal brain damage and I seemingly react to random medications causing fays/weeks/months/even had a reaction lasting over a year once.

I have no idea how I'd react to DHT blockers, and if I react I'll have no idea if it's side effects from the blockers or my brain damage.

Should I gamble or just get hair system?

>>18523254
ask a doctor

Almost 3 months on min and fin, not knowing if it's working or not is demoralising NGL.

>>18523448
How is your diet? Eat lots of proteins and vitamins.

>>18523254
No I don't think so you are better off not taking it. Anybody with a propensity to psychiatric lapses should avoid it. We already have enough problems with mentally ill people making up stories let alone actual disabilities.

>>18523448
It takes time 3 months is early

My left nipple is kinda tingling. Tickling and aching a little. I've been on fin for about 3 months now.

>>18523448
I'm 3 months in too. Here is my situation so far (35yo):
>June 2024, notice that my hair has began getting curly
>July/August 2024, notice that I "barely have hair" in my hairline
>November, 2024, take a photo of my crown and see my scalp for the first time in my life
>End of December 2024, realize I am actually eating like shit and under eating protein (30g a day, 50g is minimum for bodily function, hair is all protein and deficiency causes hair problems, see vegans for example), so start fixing diet
>March 2025, no change, talk to doctor about medication
>April 2025 still no change
>End of May 2025, worst hair yet, look absolutely stupid, hop on finasteride
>Mid June 2025, step out of shower once after using pic rel shampoo which always made my hair feel off, like barbed wire, rough and dry, start reading about horror stories of it causing hair loss and stuff, switch to tea tree shampoo
>August 2025, comparing photos, seeing some progress but idk, can no longer see scalp but it's still thin, can still not style it and from the front it still looks stupid, idk if I'm imagining things or what is going on
>Approaching September 2025 now
So it wasn't the diet but maybe it was the shampoo, or maybe it's just MPB and Finasteride will do its job

I have no idea wtf I'm doing anymore. Separation in 2023 and I began losing my hair like a retard, at 33, with no signs of MPB decades prior.

>>18523684
Forgot to add, separation in late 2023 so I attributed the hair changes in mid 2024 to Telogen Effluvium / Stress related hair loss at first

>>18523448
by that time I recovered pretty well from diffuse thinning already
you might not be receptive to topical min

>>18523684
All of these things are compounding factors alongside normal male pattern baldness. If it were not male pattern baldness then you would have damage to your hair outside of the usual DHT sensitive zones (from hairline reaching all the way back to about an inch or more below the crown). Is there a chance it could be TE? Sure but think how unlikely it is that you are experiencing the typical male pattern hair loss with body hair, facial hair, etc.. being unaffected.

>>18523725
This is what TE looks like. Unpatterned, and loss all over the scalp

>>18523731
TE can come in weird patches. I have it and it’s like one thinning recede along only the left hairline or completely along where you part your hair to the side. Meanwhile, the other side isn’t like that at all.

>>18523734
Yes unpatterned

>>18523684
Don’t use fancy shampoos. The best ones are the most basic dollar store shit like Head and Shoulders or even Johnson’s baby shampoo. The reason is because shampoo should be very simple meaning it’s an antibacterial. No added oils, no added chemicals, no bullshit like avocados and coconut. Antibacterial is what cleans your scalp like how you wash your hands. It prevents scalp acne. On the other hand, tea tree and coal tar such as T-Gen (Walgreens still sells the original brown formula) isn’t mean for bacteria and general hair washing. It’s strictly for antiFUNGAL.

Always power rinse with cold water.

>>18523684
99% of the time it's just MPB and instead of fixing it the old fashioned way (fin+min+microneedling) when you can still at worst maintain your baseline and at best even gain some hair, you niggas go around in circles trying to fix things that don't need fixing until it's too late and you accept the truth that it's MPB. And usually at that point dudes have lost most of their hair and they blame the drugs for not bringing their teen hairline back kek.

>>18523821
Don’t take fin, a dunce.

>>18523738
Then why even use shampoo? Just use your basic bar of soap. If it's good enough for your skin, then it's much better for your hair compared to shampoo. Shampoos are more like detergent. They're a scam invented by corporations to sell overpriced soap with the harshness of detergent. You don't NEED shampoo to clean your hair. A bar of soap will do the job just as well. If anything, regular shampoo use is one of the biggest reasons for balding.

Wash your hair with soap only like once a week. The rest of the days wash it with plain water.

one of my temples is filling in noticeably faster than the other, I assume the weaker one is going to catch up eventually?

>>18523939
A lot of times people bald unevenly with one side slightly worse off than the other so maybe regrowth follows that pattern

Have any of you tried this stuff? People claim it can grow hair on a doorknob

>>18524062
just use ivermectin my based and trad migabro

>>18523847
>Don't take fin
if your goal is going bald, then sure

>>18523942
I presumed it was this, my right temple has always been a bit worse... on my left I can now see baby/vellus hairs perfectly outlining my juvenile hairline
I can actually feel under my fingers that it's not slick bald anymote

Brutal

>>18520548
Looks diffuse thinning tbqh. Get on fin and oral min if you want to save your hair.

>>18520639
It's not or unsual. It's just an advanced case of diffuse thinning and I've seen many Asians with a hair loss pattern like that. It responds quite well to meds (fin+min).

>>18521557
There's no scientific evidence to support that. People use it for beard growth on their face without issues.

>>18521660
It's always MPB and never TE, stress, a vitamin deficiency or whatever cope people come up with.

I feel like I can bounce back big time with 3-4k grafts

what do you think brehs?
34 and on meds

Anyone take the hair system pill?

Any advice?

>>18524431
for how long? meds should fix diffuse thinning fairly fast
sick pseudo-skullet thing going on btw

>>18524488
4 months 0.5mg duta
fin did fuck all so trying this

>>18524498
Any s>>18524498
ides from either? Especially Duta?

>>18524512
sometimes I get the urge to eat small children

>>18524498
got any progress pics?
>>18524512
nta but I lost morning wood without any other sides on both fin and dut
(not counting increased libido when I had just started fin/switched to dut)

>>18524538
no real changes yet
have noticed increased shedding though in the last couple months, so we'll see
feels like I shed over 100 hairs a day easy now

anyone got Duta from DashPCT before? is it real?

Anyone on oral min having problems sleeping? I've been on this for 4 days and I keep lying in bed awake for 1-2 hours before falling asleep

>>18524749
when do you take it?
if you don't have blood pressure issues with me like risk of fainting then you can take it in the morning instead

>DUDE JUST APPLY MIN TWICE A DAY AND HAVE YOUR HAIR DISGUSTINGLY WET AND FULL OF DANDRUFF FOR HOURS EACH TIME, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE LMAO
>DUDE JUST TAKE A FIN PILL EVERY DAY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE LMAO
>DUDE IF YOU MISS ONE DOSE YOU LOSE YOUR GAINS AND START ALL OVER AGAIN LMAO
>DUDE YOU HAVE TO DO THIS EVEN AFTER A TRANSPLANT LMAO
>DUDE JUST KEEP DOING IT FOR 50 YEARS LMAO

>>18525071
Yep, life isn't fair but it's a small price to pay to cheat a bald head. By the way oral min exists and you can skip close to a month of fin/min before you start to regress. Anyway your outburst is falling on deaf ears, now fuck off and wax your dome.

What balding pattern is this
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4vkHr4RYAFY

>>18524431
I have a very similar pattern to you. Fin hasn't done much for me either.

>>18525187
Diffuse thinning vertex

I will probably have no choice to take fin because I think my prostate is enlarged from doing semen retention for the entire year

Been on fin 1mg oral for 3 months now. Starting to see baby hairs appearing around the hairline but scalp still feels pretty thin, hard to say if hair loss has stopped yet as it was already slow but noticeable over the years. Should I add 2.5mg oral min now or wait more a few more months to see what fin on its own can do?

>>18518132 (OP)
is my hair thinning out or am i paranoid

>>18525362
oof

>>18525362
really thin and dead like some mousy middle aged woman's hair

>>18525362
ist thinning ,but like eeveryne your age is thinnung, dont feel bad about it, thats zoomer life

3 months on fin. I have genuinely noticed nothing so far. Balding has continued. No sides either. Here’s hoping the next three months show some results. I’m obviously not gonna take this shit forever if it doesn’t do anything for me.

>>18525432
that's fin in a nutshell
big old nothingburger for vast majority of people

>>18525202
>>18524431
>I have a very similar pattern to you.
Me three, bros. Been on fin+min since april 2024 it hasn't gotten worse at least.

Jumping ship to dut+min soon to see if I can improve further. I think I'll give dut 0.5mg/day a try for a year and if all I do is maintain I'll either go down to 3x per week or back to fin 1mg/day.

>>18525432
Only 3 months and you can tell your balding continued? That might be something else

Thinning hair is masculine as fuck. I will HEEM the next twink I see with a full head of hair.

>>18525362
>is my hair thinning out
Yes. Get on treatment ASAP.

One of the symptoms of covid is that it takes a couple of years off your life even if you survive it. Another complication is early hairloss.

It's why you see a lot of zoomers going bald in their early 20s now

My shit is starting to look so thin that it’s insane. It should be actually illegal for me to go outside in public looking like this. I look like Grima Wormtongue with diffuse thinning. If fin doesn’t fix my shit soon, then I’m going to use some mechanism to place my entire head in a separate location from the rest of my body.

>>18525473
if you mean the cuck shots, then yes. The common cold does not do that.

>>18525471
>>18525380
>>18525376
>>18525367
what do you guys recommend? im hitting up a chinese chem lab for some finasteride and then im gonna go to my doctor for some minoxidil. in cucked germany so you need a prescription for EVERYTHING

>>18524749
Min is a blood pressure drug primarily, so it's gonna fuck with your quality of life in a lot of different ways.
I got water retention in my legs, for example. Initially I got scared and got a lot of tests done to confirm whether I have a kidney or heart condition, but it turned out it's just the min fucking with my body.

>>18525071
>dude just wake up every day at a fixed time and get ready to slave away for your boss
>dude just keep doing it for 50 years lmao

>>18525756
are you still on it? did it solve itself with time?

>>18525757
>slave away
Nigger, even your boss has to wake up every day at a fixed time and go to work. Do you retarded commies think all the shit you want will just rain from the sky? Everyone has to work to survive. Working is a necessity. Taking minfinding is not.

>>18524238
just a 'young, unaccompanied refugee' lying about their age

>>18525652
Just get a script for both via telehealth.

>>18518764
No man looks worse with hair, you coping faggot.

>>18525764
Wagie wagie rage in the cagie

I asecended way past le "fin/min" meme, got into the newer literature on stuff like CXCL-12 and Osteopontin-CD44 signaling, started using all these topically...
>mint water
>milk thistle
>mulberry root oil
>chuanxiong extract
>hemp oil
>sesame oil
>ephedra water extract
>angelica sinensis extract
>ginseng extract
>azelaic acid
>arginine
>vitamin B3
>vitamin B6
>vitamin D3
>vitamin E
>zinc sulfate
>fisetin
>NMN
>caffeine
>cetirizine
>latanoprost
>oryza sativa extract
>melatonin
>raspberry extract
>hyaluronic acid
>licorice water extract
>glycolic acid
>salvia miltiorrhiza water extract
>apple cider vinegar
>bromelain
>turmeric
>glycine max isoflavone extract
>DIM
>KX-826
>ketoconazole
>singlet oxygen
>chlorine dioxide solution
>hydrocortisone
>triamcinolone acetonide

>>18524645
pls order it and find out, I was too scared to get indian generics in case they got stopped by us customs

>>18525095
shut up
SHUT UP
I am on min fin for over a year now. Yes it works, it turned my diffuse thinning into somewhat presentable hair. I am REALLY close to just going back to buzz cutting since it unironically is less effort than spending hours every day waiting for your hair to dry off the min.
AHHHHH
>>18525757
It's NOT THE SAME. You have holidays and sick days from work. You don't have that from min/fin. You have to take that shit with you into airplanes and use it while traveling. You have set hours every single day where you can't have anything touch your hair

>>18526109
The foam dries in about 15 minutes

>>18526109
bro just take it orally what are you doing, 8 drops (0.2ml) in a shot glass per day with some water is hardly any more inconvenient than taking a pill

>>18526109
>I am on min fin for over a year now. Yes it works, it turned my diffuse thinning into somewhat presentable hair.
It *barely* f'n works. The mice trials on angelica sinensis extract and chuanxiong extract found each of them grew about twice as much hair as the min mice.

The only night and day differences I've ever seen were from r/tressless users who gave up halfway and started blasting hrt and antiandrogens

>>18525974
...and achieved absolutely zero progress, btw.

It seems like every single balding person on 4chan or reddit or whatever is constantly trying all this different stuff and using minox and switching to dutasteride and all kinds of shit (oils, shampoos, scalp stuff, etc). This doesn’t give me a lot of confidence in the standard 1mg/day finasteride does. What are the odds of favourable results from finasteride alone? I’m 3 months on fin and nothing has happened yet. I’m perfectly willing to be patient but I just want a realistic understanding of what I’m facing here. I’m not planning on taking other stuff. It’s fin or bald for me.

>>18526274
Nothing happens is the standard result, hair loss slows down and that's it.
People switch because they want improved hairline. They see cases of hyper-responders and want to become them.
There are even more issues at play, like the people who post are gonna be people who are doing something. People who take the pill and go on wiht their lives are not gonna write "one month fine", "teo months fine", etc etc
Which is why we're forced to rely on studies done by actual scientists

>>18526291
I posted before finishing damn it.
Anyway, we should rely on scientists study and then discussions online should matter but for special cases and such stuff, wihout forgetting the biases in online discussions

>>18526274
The primary use for fin is to halt the progress of balding and maintain what you have with regrowth expected for a little over half of users though the amount of regrowth varies. Regrowth takes a while with fin alone, 3 months is way too generous to be expecting anything of note. Think of it as balding in reverse, your hair didn't get to where it was pre fin over night. Min is a growth stimulant which can help speed up results, optional but highly recommended. Everything else is a meme or will result in marginal gains at the very best. Dutasteride is just a stronger version of fin for people who want more out of it. Nothing wrong with being on only fin, your balding is halted and in time you should get some regrowth.

>>18526291
>>18526293
Thanks. I’m definitely trusting research more than anything else.
>>18526297
Thanks. I hope my balding stops here. But I have some diffuse thinning, so I’d really love to get a little regrowth there. My hairline is not so bad and I’m not expecting any miracles.

>>18526298
Diffuse thinners are great responders to treatment. Check your hair again in 6 months, best of luck

>>18526300
Cool thanks. Like I said, I’m willing to be patient. Here’s hoping for the best. And good luck with your stuff too.

people say to trust the clinical studies in that fin side effects are very rare, but then say fin hardly ever regrows hair even though clinical studies say it does for most people...

>>18526118
Foam literally killed my gains, only liquid works for me.
>>18526120
I am already a hairy person with thick eyebrows. I don't want to go werewolf mode.

Is it worth it to buy a derminator?
Does finasteride keep your gains with micro needling or is it like monoxidil where they'll fall out once you stop?

>>18526335
Its a vocal minority without regrowth. Its probably not even true in their case either they just attribute it solely to min. Very few people give updates on their hair, maybe like 1% of all people actually using it at the very most so anecdotes are really skewed. It gets even worse when bad actors chime in.

>>18526405
Not worth it without using topicals. I've theorized that given enough time DHT levels should naturally decrease alongside test. Since fin gains are primarily the result of reducing DHT and not a stimulant then its possible that stopping at an older age should in theory result in retaining some of those gains or at least allow them to remain for an extended time. Basically you restart balding but at a much slower rate compared to 20s and 30s and maybe DHT is naturally low enough now for it to be minor.

>>18526335
if fin regrows 5% of your hair over 1.5 years, are you really going to notice?

>>18526464
that's not how it works lmao
DHT levels aren't the only factor, sensitivity to DHT is also a huge one, and cannot be measured by any blood test
plenty of people online who showed low DHT levels before getting on an anti-androgen who were already balding because they were just that sensitive to it

>>18526464
it's technically possible but purely hypothetical

>>18526549
What the hell? Why do you think people go bald because they are immune to dht? No shit ya fucked up hick! Get fucked and die!

>>18526610
>tfw some Untermensch creature replies to you

>>18526614
so dht blockers work by making your follicles immune to dht, not lowering the levels of it which we foolishly believed. thank you Dr. Hitler MD, now which essential oils should I apply in place of fin?

>Untermensch creature keeps replying to you
ugh

>>18526812
nta but can you not be a fucking child
>>>/pol/

Why do NW1s and 2s give up so quickly?
this dude wasn't even far gone yet

>>18526946
There is a lot of positive affirmation out in the wild towards becoming a shaved head guy. when you talk about the pursuit of saving your hair you kind of have to be self deprecating to avoid backlash. Conforming with these bald yes men is the easier option.

I've been taking oral minox and fin since the beginning of the year, haven't really seen any major changes but recently I've been experiencing hair shedding when I shower, could this be from minox after so long? Or i've also started welbutrin three weeks ago, could that be it? I'm freaking out a bit

>>18526976
And the worst part is it's all other bald men exactly like that guy spreading the positivity about shaving it. No women exist in these subreddits or youtube comments, it's all grown men grooming other men.

>>18526978
It could be from the fin as well. multiple sheds are common and the first one can sometimes come many months in

Im about to be spinach maxing.

>>18526978
see >>18525974
You fell for the 90s FDA meme, go find some actually effective molecules, kek.
>t. used topical min for years and yeah it worked but just f'n barely, even topical TCM chink plant monotherapy mogs it

How common is gyno from fin? I really don’t want to grow tits man.

>>18527043
less than 1%. get your hormones checked before if you think you are at risk

started fin and im shedding like fucking crazy

>>18527118
RIP in piece ur hair, kek.

Would you guys say this amount of diffuse thinning is recoverable?

>>18527329
Better pic

>>18527329
>>18527330
Possibly with fin/dut and oral min.

>>18521109
Blood flow has fuck all to do with hair loss caused by DHT

>>18524431
Looks like a diffuse NW5A-6 patter, so you'd probably need 3.5k for the frontal third and 2k for the crown.

>>18524498
Are you on oral min? It could be very helpful for your type of hair loss.

I don’t think I’d even care about my hair loss if I didn’t have a widow’s peak

>>18526178
My brother completely regrew his hair and looks 20 again just from using fin and minoxidil.

>>18525974
> just use 40 products religiously bro

A lot of you guys are just paranoid. No, minoxidil is not keeping you awake at night. No, finasteride will not give you permanent and irreversible gynecomastia. Of course every drug has potential side effects but you guys are coming up with stuff which has no possible mechanism. It’s just anxiety.

>>18527344
finasteride can in fact give you gyno, the mechanism is obvious too. your T is no longer being turned into DHT so more ofnit is aromatised to E.
Of course, E going above reference male values from fin is unlikely and hence gyno is rare, but it IS possible.

>>18526178
the only night and day differences i see are those with diffuse thinning only. it seems that even if it gets really really bad and our hair looks so horrible its practically gone and your scalp is see-through, fin and min can turn it around and reverse it almost completely.
its the norwoodcels who dont regrow shit. once youve gone up a norwood its not going down without a transplant.

>>18527336
>Are you on oral min? It could be very helpful for your type of hair loss.
No, have considered it though. Was on topical min for 1.5 years and even with tretinoin and microneedling added later, I achieved no results.

Problem is, I have a history of heart palpitations so I'm iffy on going on it.

>>18527380
Here's front shot btw.

>>18524431
why did you let it get to this stage?

>>18524498
fin is fucking stopping continued baldness, having it return ground is rare as much as being mino hyperresponder is rare

your fault is that you did not start sooner so now damage control, but a lot of folicies have become dormant with no going back

I'm getting my hormones (all the works, FSH+LH+SHBG+Prolactin+Total&Free T+DHT+E2) checked very soon, will report back (dut 0.5mg)

>>18527392
what causes this level of emotional breakdown when dealing with internet strangers?

I'm going to get a transplant and be okay lol

>>18527335
I know it doesn't but it's a hypothetical where he won't use a DHT blocker. Blood flow to the scalp is proven to increase hair density though the mechanism will be overpowered by DHT rather quickly.

>>18527379
I believe it's because diffuse thinning is most of the time a rapid onset where standard norwooding can take much longer to be noticeable. Diffuse thinning is usually treated way sooner because it just looks like shit, you can cope with a norwood 1-2.5 for a long time.

>>18520639
This looks like it's related to a medical condition

>>18528038
I'll go out on a limb here and guess it can be treated with Janus Kinase inhibitors.
>t. has a friend with polycythemia vera

just saw my GP and talked about getting getting my hormones checked and she said she'd've given me fin, didn't expect that of an European doc with me being 26
still seeing a private derm in 15mins to get a dut scrip

>>18528171
the derm told me I should stop dut and only prescribed min, but the great thing is that private doctors don't have insight into the NHS system and vice versa so I'm just gonna photoshop that shit

Been doing Minoxidil and Dermal stamping since April. Are we in business boys?

After GTA 6 drops, buzzcuts will be hot. fuck it just do it

>>18528761
why would I give a fuck about that brown-coded game?

>>18528787
>coded
gay

>>18528761
As long as you actually have strong hairline like brad. Balding and buzzed looks like a doughball head

I think I'm beginning to suffer side effects from Finasteride. I can still get hard but I lose it very fast. I used to nut several times a day (5–8) but now I barely have the interest to do 1. I'm not excited as I used to be and the most obviously, when I ejaculate, a lot tends to stay in my urinary tract, that's how weak my force has become. I'll shoot a few watery ropes but a lot stays inside. Maybe it's because I ejaculate a lot, where the first 3 months were at least 3 times a day (a day), but also I have not had problems like this for 30+ years and losing the force is new to me. Should I keep going? Do these side effects go away? Is this too late in to be suffering side effects?

>>18529355
Consider it a blessing in disguise whatever the reason in your case

>>18529365
I liked ejaculating anon but I am also not as scared because I do see it as treating a problem, but if I'm also going to lose it all, I'd rather stop.

>>18529380
It shouldn't even be a question. You are at a crossroads of becoming that bald gooner meme or finally breaking free.

>>18529393
But I don't want to lose my dick. Just give it to me straight. I am leaning towards continuing still because I accelerated the cooming from twice a day to 5–8 since starting finasteride. As of last week, I've gone back down to 1–2, but I also don't have the force I used to. I don't know if it is because of interest.
Maybe the increase was the side effect and I'm back to baseline now.
I just don't know and I am asking.

So dermatologist said most of my balding is telogen effluvium from rapid weight loss, I do look to be receding a little but nothing is shedding in the front, just patches around my ears which they say is the TE.

They recommend I stay at maintenance for awhile, so I guess I'm gonna lean bulk and lift harder even though I wanna be leaner.

Gonna consider minox for the gradual receding, but not considering DHT blockers. Hoping they can find the genetic markers that make one prone to PFS within a few years(which is real, rare but real) so I can know if I can safely take it.

>>18529431
post your scalp, dermas are usually retarded and will waste your time before prescribing you fin

>>18529404
False alarm. Just nutted unbelievably to SPZ-425, as if I haven't had a problem all week. It was the material that was the problem. Will probably go again later tonight and it'll be 2 for today.

>>18529435
>SPZ-425
I was hoping this was some new hair research chemical. I was sadly mistaken. Have an article on BMD-1141, a real one kek: https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4409/14/16/1251

>>18529460
I always hear about new miracle treatments in certain stages of testing but they never come out.

>>18529463
>but they never come out.
KX-826 already on Amazon, plus a fuck-ton of plant extracts with preclinical to clinical evidence. A lot of more unusual RCs you just gotta find the right lab that isn't scared of a patent infringement suit... you gotta wonder why Bezos still bald, kek.

>>18529467
This is what I'm talking about though. So much talk and hype, and yet nothing is happening. What is KX-826 and why aren't people gargling it like it's Ozempic, if it really worked? Why aren't (You) on it

>>18529471
Going to nut to the rest of SPZ-425 now btw

>>18529473
ITZ-008, actually. I had a material problem. But I think this time my force won't be as powerful as earlier. This is the thing and Idk if it is the finasteride. My dick already feels stiff but like it lacks blood. Is this a side effect from the Finasteride?

Hair cloning hits human tries in 2026, which means even cueballs can be saved with enough money and no need for DHT blockers. Just need 6 figures probably(lol) and you'll get a full head of DHT resistant hair.

>>18529501
>Human trials take 52 weeks at least, 2028 it might be available to the wealthy if all goes well, 2029 for us plebs
In all likelihood nothing ever happens and we'll continue chugging finasteride like we have since 1987

>>18529486
Nothing wrong with that nut either desu, though I just consumed additional material (SPZ-425 and OYC-228). It might not actually be the Finasteride, or?

>>18529431
just shave it off now in that case if you're hoping for a miracle cure lol. you can't half ass hair loss with what we currently have available

>>18529501
>>18529518
Probably just some Yamanaka factor shit with currently pleb-tier cellular differentiation induction chemo cycle skills. I recently ran across Helichrysum italicum Hydrolate as a SOX2/Oct-4/NANOG upregulator; it might beat a lot of their tech if you build the right differentiation induction chemo cycles with it.

>>18529532
This but unironically

>>18529404
don't listen to permavirgin incels, your dick is more important than your hair