Thread 18529142

WATCH THREAD
WATCH THREAD
WATCH THREAD

If you post a Citizen or a Seiko in this thread, your mom will be raped by a pack of black gentlemen tonight.

The place to actually discuss watches, free of avatarfagging drama, including bittercelposting, pics of food or drinks, or long-ass stories about your lives.

>Your budget
>Preferred brand or manufacture
>Watch type, e.g. dress, diver, pilot, etc
>Movement, e.g. automatic, hand-wound, quartz, etc
>Desired features, e.g. water resistance, day/date, chronograph, etc
>Preferred strap option, e.g. leather, nylon, bracelet, etc
>Wrist size or desired watch size

Previous thread: >>18524101

Pick one.

>>18529142 (OP)
That dial is a hot mess. It makes no sense visually or logically. Your eye bounces all over the place like to make any sense of it. It's like "Two, Wednesday, March, some seconds, five minutes past, uh no five o'clock with, ah fuckit."
Also the little signature that's all like loose and off the hip like they were signing an oil painting doesn't fit in with the rigid display.
Big nah from me dawg.

>>18529149
The calendar is the more technically impressive piece but the Mirage is completely unique. That’s the one I’d have, though perhaps in a different color scheme.

>>18529149
See, now on the one on the right the "berneron" signature/logo makes sense with that design language.

>>18529154
> That dial is a hot mess. It makes no sense visually or logically.
It’s not well-designed in terms of empty space. It almost feels like the case is too big for the movement, even though we know that’s not the case.

In terms of readability, though, it’s a piece of cake.
Top-down is time, left-right is date.
>5:10 and 37seconds, Wednesday the 13th of March.

A casio is all you need.

>>18529149
Both fugly

>>18529155
>The Mirage is completely unique
Yeah, it's totally not just a small seconds Cartier Crash.

>>18529169
The crash is legible, the sloperon isn't.

>>18529169
The crash doesn’t have a shaped movement. Yes, it matters.

>>18529182
The original crash didn’t, correct. The newer Crash skeleton does have a shaped movement.

>>18529169
>the Crash exists therefore it's forbidden to take inspiration from it
Very low IQ take.
Sylvain Berneron himself admits the Mirage is basically a crossover between a Crash and a Calatrava. The watch is cool as fuck and immediately recognizable. He managed to create an iconic design in an oversaturated market.

>>18529190
He managed to make a functional watch with a dial and hands that don't tell you exactly what time it is. I'm not on team "just buy a Casio" but telling time is the bare minimum. Get real.

>>18529197
Weird criticism. Hundreds of watches don't have indices. It's all about the design. You're missing the point entirely.

>>18529142 (OP)
Fridec should sue Wedmar, they exactly the same.

>>18529154
>Big nah from me dawg.
What did you buy with your 15K instead?

>>18529201
It's not about the indices, it's about the combination of dial shape and hand shape. The Prateek Pradeep you posted is easy to read. A watch must tell time. If it forgoes indices or has skeletonization that doesn't automatically make it illegible.

>>18529209
The Berneron isn't less legible than the Patek. In both case you can only guess the time by a margin of +/- 2 minutes.

>>18529220
Forget about the minutes, you can hardly tell what hour it is on the berneron; where is 12?

>>18529223
Right here.

>>18529232
Or here. It doesn't have indices so it's entirely up to the customer choice.

>>18529232
A bit more to the left but I see what you're going for.
And yes you're right that the watch would work with any arbitrary point as 12, you'd just have to remember exactly what that point is, and spontaneously divide the dial into appropriate fractions when attempting to read the time.
(That's the problem.)
When I bought my first actual watch 10 years ago I asked my friend who is really into hot whoreology to "recommend me watches that tell me EXACTLY what time it is." The berneron is antithetical to the most basic feature of a watch.

>>18529182
Why does it matter?

>>18529190
Literally nobody said that, retard. The claim was that Bergeron is "completely unique." It demonstrably isn't, they made a fuckin Cartier homage and a Lange homage.

>>18529235
This is the way I'd use it, and even the Crash allows for this.

>>18529253
Lange homage isn't exactly what came to mind when I saw it. I thought it looked more like someone mixed together scrabble tiles from several different editions of the game.

>>18529253
>Lange homage
Retard.

I cannot find any info on the model or the brand. The text seems to be "René Philippe" but nothing comes up in search results. Not even ChatGPT or Meta could find it.

So far I found that Bayer Philippe exists and that he was acquainted with somebody called René so it might be a collaboration release. Any ideas?

Along with that wristwatch there was this, looks in pretty bad shape.
How much do you think it would cost to get it restored from the official shop? there's one of their stores near my workplace.

>>18529280
It could have been a house brand.

>>18529289
Like a custom requested dial signature?

>>18529295
Yeah. Maybe some guy ordered a bunch for his personal business. It’s pretty common. You give them out to clients. They’re never worth much.

>>18529300
That sucks, my family isn't acquainted with anyone whose name is René or Philippe so I hoped it would be a good brand watch. Still, sounds like a nice idea for marriages, like to give to the people who were invited, as a memory of the celebration.

>>18529314
It’s a nice sentiment but I generally think watches make poor gifts. You can’t get rid of it, because it’s a gift, but it’s unlikely to be your taste unless it’s something generic that just about everyone likes like a Submariner or something.
Every time you see that person, it’s hey will check your wrist to see if they’re wearing the watch they gave you.

>>18529319
Lmfao true.

Looks like a cool one. It got a serial number in the back.

>>18529280
>>18529288
>>18529336
All of these watches are beaten up worthless shitters and you have 0 photography skills.

>>18529280
>>18529288
>>18529336
flea market galore

recelsocel lmfao

Looks like the spambot is back.

C63 or Baby Alpinist? Or something else entirely...

>>18529491
I honestly like the ward dial more
lorier falcon is in this same sort of class
you could look at a black bay 36 if you're feeling spendy, or get the real explorer 36mm

>>18529491
The Seiko will just disappoint you. The other will feel overpriced when you realize you can get the same no name shitter for a hundred bucks on AliExpress.

What is the watch you really want? Save up for that. You’ll be happier in the long run.

>>18529491
>Alpinist
Here we go again, what is it that you find atrractive in this watch?
It's green, both fake gold and steel, the hour hand looks like a dickhead, the black date doesn't match with anything else, it's like the worst mix ever. I don't fucking get it.

also this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-btPgPoAI8
and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaeRD5GyKHM

>>18529509
>>18529533
>>18529534
trve...

>>18529491
In that price point, I would get an Hamilton Khaki Field. There's a large variety of diameters and dial colors. Movements are good (ETA), the watches look nice on bracelet, leather strap or NATO...
One of the greatest mysteries of /wt/ is why we see so many ugly Seikope with fucked up proportions and so few Hamilton.

>>18529534
I don't like this unrefined brute of a "watch connoisseur". Please do not share his uploads here ever again, thank you.

Thinking about copping this, reminds me of the Rolex gmt with the meteorite dial

>>18529603
yeah going with kys poorfaggot on this one
you either go rolex or fuck off

>>18529603
Is this the 15mm thick one?

>>18529604
I'm on a waitlist but not going to go grey market or buy shit i don't want to get what i do

>>18529609
Yes the sapphire is domed

>>18529612
Yeah, that's totally why. It's just the crystal guys LMAO

>>18529612
It’s also slab-sided. It wears huge on the wrist. Better to wait for Tudor to bring out new dial colors for the BB58GMT

>>18529620
It doesn't just wear huge. It IS huge. There's no getting around it, it's an oversized watch. It's thicker than a lot of mechanical chronographs. It just makes no fucking sense, and the only people trying to argue it's okay are brandfags.

>>18529603
Seiko is releasing the actual legit Pepsi watch

>>18529051
Trash

>>18529706
Good, more presence

>>18529620
>Better to wait for Tudor to bring out new dial colors for the BB58GMT
Exactly. The only reason they’re still selling the old GMT at all is to clear out stock.

there's a clock on your phone

>>18529787
But not in your mother's basement. Sar,

>>18529568
eh something about them irks me

>>18529568
Hamilton is caught up in their own larp pretending field/tool watches are a thing anyone needs and pumping out as many nato straps as they can as if spring bars are popping out on the battlefield in daily life.
It really is a mystery why Rolex is the only brand apparently willing to fill the NotQuartz+NoDate+36mm+Steel Bracelet market and why every other brand just throws their parts bin ideas at it. Literally all anybody wants is a OP for $900.
Lorier has gone from a micro brand nobody would give a fuck about, to not being able to keep up with demand, all from just appealling to this market segment.

A watch without an accuracy rating or certification is just a toy.

>>18529852
>Hamilton is caught up in their own larp pretending field/tool watches
they are, i have the black pvd khaki field, it's 100% utilitary, 100% non larp, non performative, stealth and wearable, just a watch to check the time.

>>18529142 (OP)
It’s been over. This kind of pricing was less than 25 years ago. Not even the 90s.

It’s criminal what’s happened.

>>18529903
You can still get watches at this price with the same quality (ie San Martin, Watchdives, Seestern), it's just that many old brands became luxury.
Others didn't, like Squale, Laco, Bulova, Stowa.

>>18529280
That looks like a cheapo lookalike of an old Omega Constellation.
Brands that made these typically didn't last long. They were the brick and mortar equivalent of amazon/aliexpress "hommage" brands.

>>18529787
What kind of Philistine looks at their phone for the time? Pathetic.

>>18529852
I don't get what's your point but Hamilton's core collection are stainless steel mechanical no date watches in 34-38mm on bracelets.

Thoughts on the new Zenith?

Usually i love Zenith chronos, but i dislike everything about those, the indices, the sunbdial overlap, the edges... I only like the bracelet.

>>18529959
Looks cool. Too bad about the date window.

>>18529959
>Thoughts on the new Zenith?
It’s not new. It’s an extremely limited (60 pieces of each color) edition collaboration with a Swiss furniture maker. It’s intended to get people talking, nothing more. You can safely ignore them.

>>18529903
>>18529905
>>18529913
These look like used prices from 50+ years ago. Is this an auction house catalog?

>>18529964
2001. It’s a price guide. I bought like 10 of them from the 90s and 2000s

>>18529963
>You can safely ignore them.
I will not. Zenith has been on my radar for quite some time now. I like the black/orange diver they've released like 2 years ago. I also like the their Revival chronograph. This new release is kino too.

>>18529706
Holy fuck what a stinky shitter.

>>18529970
looks better on this pic than on the renders

>i just wanna time my jog to the beach without having to carry a phone in my pocket
let me guess, you need more

Seiko Prospex go for 3K now? Are they fucking insane?

>>18529568
>>18529897
bought one of these recently. not my photo but it's in the mail. also bought a uncle seiko bracelet for it, a jubilee.

>>18529620
>>18529706
idk I already wear a speedmaster and that's similarly thick, not sure that's such a dealbreaker desu

>>18530015
They have different shapes. The Speedy has a narrow mid case and a conical caseback, which helps the watch sink into the wrist. The Tudor has a wall of steel and a flat caseback.

They’re not rare watches so your AD will have them in stock. Try it on for yourself.

>>18529706
first time I saw a tupoor in person was at jury duty at the voir dire one of the other contestants had one and I saw how awful it looked from the side

>>18529989
Meanwhile you can get a seikotona for a tenth of the price

>>18529989
it's auto chrono

>>18530049
yeah an auto chrono that's like 2cm thick, I'm the biggest seiko stan you'll ever meet but even I have my limits

shittertardello

>>18530058
oh, did I say something that triggered someone's tripfag drama trauma response? silly me for popping into one of these threads again, I forgot they've been completely taken over by schizos who never go outside

>>18530060
You’re replying to a bot.

>>18530060
what's this blud howlin bout

>>18530055
it's 1.5 cm

>>18529852
Like a year ago Hamilton put out a fairly perfect watch as a collaboration with some japanese fashion brand
>36mm
>titanium
>simple dial
So obviously it had to be a limited edition - we wouldn't want to actually sell good watches to too many people.

> khaki == caca
why are fascinated with shit?

>>18530074
I guess I was stupid thinking they'd eventually use this case again for a regular production watch. It seems like kind of a waste to tool up to make one run of a new case in a different material just to never make it again. Especially when this could legitimately be a best selling watch for the brand.

>>18530032
I honestly can't think of a lower life form than SEIKOMODFAGS. Imagine wearing what's essentially a homage/replica shitter, except it says "Seiko" on the dial. It's like these retards are proud to display that cursed name or something. Really fucked up people. Shouldn't even be considered human.

>>18530095
It’s fun if you do the work yourself. Yeah, buying a modded Seiko is a bitch move, but buying the tools and learning how a watch is put together by taking it apart is an interesting intellectual pursuit.

>>18530095
imagine wanting to wear a rep instead of something that is clearly fake

>>18530112
It's also a great way to test out features of a watch without having to buy something expensive. You can experiments with case diameters, dials, hands, and even complications to find what suits you.

>>18530112
>>18530113
>>18530116
I'm sure assembling your own watch is fun, but you're missing the point.
I'll just remind you what a Seikomod is:
>copy of a design from another brand
>dial that says "Seiko" even though none of the external parts were made by Seiko
Picrel is basically a fake Patek and a fake Seiko. It also looks comically bad.

>>18530082
If they can do it in the quartz (or ideally solar) and under 600 I'd buy it.

>>18530125
you're buying a <$300 watch instead of a >$130k watch. of course the quality will be inferior you dolt

>>18530127
You're probably not going to get a titanium swiss watch under $600. Maybe if there's a sale or something.

>>18530171
Now convert the currencies. Also account for taxes and probably price increases to cover tariffs coming soon.

>>18530139
How about buying a $300 watch that isn't trying to look like a fucking Patek, uh? Have you even thought about that, retard?

>>18530189
i am going to buy a $300 watch that looks like a hulk

>>18530174
I'm in Europe and travel to Switzerland for work often...

As a non-watch person, do most people even recognize your watches? Most watches look the same with a few minor differences. I don’t think the average person can spot a Rolex unless you showed them the engraving. I doubt anyone’s going to approach and say “Is that a limited edition 2001 Seiko!?” I feel like it’s a VERY niche hobby.

>>18530198
Only other watch people will notice, but the "hobby" (which it's not, it's just being a victim of consumerism) is growing because of the growth of the internet, YouTubers etc. so you will occasionally run into other stupid people who spend their money similarly. I had people at work comment on my prx when it was all the rage for example and those were people that were early on their exposure to the hobby, one of them considering which Fossil to buy and also saying that he aspires to get a Rolex down the line lmao.

never buying a chink watch ever again unless i can handle it first

>>18530198
metal casio F91 gets more mirin than autos

>>18530192
I really want to buy pic related

But I interact with people and go to places where they actually own the real thing and don't want to get clowned lol

>>18530196
Still more than $600 US.

>>18530276
Just get a seiko or something.

>>18530296
I said 600.

>>18530301
Then what did I say?

>>18530276
fwiw rolex doesnt have any pieces that look like this

>>18530317
Because it's tudor homage.

>>18530325
tudor doesnt have mercedes hands

>>18530337
>>18530325
nor crown guards for that matter

>>18530337
>>18530338
as expected, the retards in the watch thread have absolutely no clue about watches

>>18529208
A convertible.

>>18530337
YOU don't have mercedes hands.

>should I buy this fugly inaccurate Seiko or this grotesque Rolex homage chink shitter?
Fucking hell.
This is the reason why poverty should be considered a mental illness.

> Seiko
> inaccurate
cope

>>18530360
Imagine coming here, of all places, to talk about watches. Topkek my friend.

Why Seiko quartz so accurat but Seiko atomatk not so accurat?

>>18530432
Quartz is inherently more accurate. Seiko quartz isn’t more accurate than any other brand’s. Mechanical movements, however, require a lot more QC and Seiko does basically none of that.

>>18530432
automatic one has more battery

>>18530432
Seiko's official tolerance for accuracy is much more lenient than the average Seiko movement, hence why most of the time people sperg about how great they are, but every once in a blue moon someone bitches that it sucks, and they send it off to Seiko and Seiko says there's nothing wrong

>>18530432
Pretty much any automatic watch under 500 will not be regulated from the factory, so some people get lucky with +/- 2 seconds while others will be +/- 30 seconds

>>18529706
>>18530015
>that's similarly thick
that's what your girlfriend told you anon?

Bittercel going off his rails in the main thread lmao

>>18530437
>>18530469
Personally, I don’t like the idea of of an accuracy lottery. Treat the worst case scenario as what you’re willing to buy.

If a company says they are good to within 5spd, then I would only buy that watch if I were comfortable with 5spd, not hope for 2spd and pray I get lucky.

>>18530523
If all the watch needs is a simple regulation you could take it to just about any watch store and have it adjusted in a few minutes for under 50 dollars.

>>18530469
honestly if its not a chronometer you should be happy with +/- 30

that's basically the spec for ETA

>>18530544
It’s rarely just a matter of simple regulation when a movement is out of adjustment. Adjustment is much more time consuming and skill intensive.
If the watch is out of adjustment, no amount of regulation will make it run satisfactorily.

>>18529706
what's inside a thicc shitter like this? the movement can't be so big, can it? is it basically a brick with a cutout for movement?

>>18530563
That movement was not well designed and was quite thick. Even if they made the watch as thin as possible (flat crystal, no regard for water resistance, etc) they could have made it thinner than 13.5mm or so.
The real terrible part is that there are methods watchmakers can use to try to hide some of the thickness. (See the Speedmaster Pro for example.). Tudor simply didn’t bother.

>>18530569
No, the actual terrible part is IT'S A SHITTER! And they know it's a shitter, that's why they made a new GMT movement and new watches for it that are not as gigantic. But for some ungodly reason they still used the old movement in the new black bay pro.

Not that Tudor is horrible, they make some good stuff, but they definitely have some retards making decisions in there.

fuck it im getting a prx

>>18530597
I admire your courage of coming out

>>18530248

cultured citizen enjoyer

>>18529169
nobody cares about the crash anymore lol

rip

What watch should I get with a budget of 700 USD? Something with 40-42 mm case diameter and automatic

>>18530623
unironically san martin

>>18530623
I'm so pissed any sinn watch is out of my budget why are they so expensive

>>18530469
they are regulated

You should never buy an analog watch that costs $250 or less because you can make whatever watch you want including the cost of tools at that price.

>>18530597
Just get the new steel 222.

been studying these crossthreads for a month now and my conclusion is that this one is the worst of the bunch.
I can go into detail but the number one reason is that most of the interaction aren't real here. it's like you guys are playing "House", too afraid to tell what's really on your mind as if this is some kind of account linked forum. Too afraid to even post your own watch. The other thread I saw people posting Boxes instead of their watches. It's extremely weird and fake.

>>18530663
It's a watch thread where posting your watch is frowned upon... Of course it's going to be bad.

>>18530636
They're cheap get more money

>18530663
>18530667
Samefag copypasta

>>18530663
I literally can't post images without adding an email address. Nice anonymous image board (lol)

>>18530623
under $200
SUR309P1
srpc17

>>18530432
Seikos are on par with ETA for accuracy.
They just give terrible specs numbers in order to avoid warranty claims because they know their QC is not up to snuff.
On average, your Seiko will be in the same ballpark as any non-chronometric swiss movement but Seiko gives a huge tolerance within the expected specs because they know there's a very real chance Chang was having a shit day and phoned it in for an entire batch.

>>18529897
>amerimutts incapable of comprehending the 24h format had to have a subdial printed on their watches

>mfw there are still "people" ITT who will defend Seiko after >>18530419 was posted
Honestly that's fucking pathetic and every Seiko cucks deserve a bullet in the mouth.
+45 / -35 sec. / day is UNACCEPTABLE and you all know it. You'd have to be a complete braindead retard to buy a watch advertised at these ratings. Imagine being "lucky" and getting a Seiko shitter that gains 25 sec. on average, that's still straight up unusable lmao

If you're on a budget and looking for a "functional" watch, you basically have 3 options:
>anything quartz
>top grade ETA/Selita (-/+ 12 sec.)
>anything COSC certified (-/+ 6 sec.)
Also maybe a vintage watch from a top tier brand serviced by a good watchmaker.

We've been way too soft with Seiko cucks. From now on, every Seiko cuck will be shamed and called a fucking faggot cuck.

>>18530758
My AliExpress nh35 runs +6 seconds per day cased up. Sometimes you get a good movement in a cheap mechanical watch.

>>18530767
You didn't get a "good movement". You got lucky with the regulation of this specific shit-tier movement, which happens.
Be aware though, faggot Seiko cuck: this won't last. You'll soon start noticing variations in the accuracy of your shitter. In a few months your +6 seconds per day faggot Seiko shitter will run at +50 seconds per day. Doesn't matter though, because the bracelet will probably break before that.

>>18530776
Calling it a good movement is fine. It's unlubed and runs well after a year of being worn very occasionally. Who knows how long is sat in a warehouse without the rotor moving. I don't think you can ask for much more at a sub-40 USD price point. To avoid confusion, the movement didn't come with a bracelet, and I ended up putting a tropic strap on the finished watch. I just keep the watch in my parts tub these days since 36mm looks too small. As far as Seiko goes I love my SCED037. Seiko watches are cool.

>>18530758
>comparing entry seiko to top movements

of course the christjew would be a lying piece of shit

let's see entry swiss

>The accuracy of a Sellita SW300 has a tolerance of ±12 to ±30 seconds per day

>ETA Standard ±12 to ±30 seconds per day

>>18530789
>he doesn't know about the 4 grades of ETA/Selita movements
FAGGOOOOOOOOOT

>>18530767
it's funny how a $20 movement is on par with whatever swiss shit

>>18530776
mine was 2spd was I lucky too?

>>18530820
Yeah, after assembling that watch I decided I'll only get a spring drive or lange because flimsy Swiss movements aren't anything special. I still like the idea of having a Swiss steel tool watch to use as a daily beater.

>>18530822
>was
What happened?

thin/small watches are for homos

>>18530741
The inner 13-24 single-handedly ruins the Khaki Field, makes it too cluttered and as a bonus gets the "hi I can't count past 12"-factor.

>>18530840
Post yourself

>>18530852
Well, the dial design WAS for 18 year old Americans who needed to learn 24 hour time in the military. Historically, it makes sense. Americans weren’t very smart back then either. They were just a little nicer and a lot less fat.

>>18530853
Look up watch hookah.png at warosu.

>assemble shitty rolex clone from chinese aliexpress parts
>wow this is as good as it gets only a lange could top this
how can one man be so delusional?
is this the "poorfag cope" you guys keep talking about?

I really can't wear the 2100BCE but I could have it on clothes

>>18530863
show me the watch

>>18530863
That's literally what happened. I have a SKMEI, a cool casual Seiko, and a tool watch. I want something that's actually nice and after looking at all the options in boutiques I have no interest in anything but a lange. Making an AliExpress watch killed Rolex for me.

>>18530857
No

>>18530871
Here is the watch. I call it "Rolex, but good."
>no magnification bump glued onto the crystal
>no essay on the dial
>dauphine hands
>ice blue sunburst dial (actually a seiko dial)
>total cost: less than 100 USD
>runs within COSC standards :^)
I got the dial and date wheel in Arabic so I could learn their numerals, but that only took about 30 minutes lol
I didn't start wearing it long-term because:
>36mm feels too small. The watch gets lost in the strap (and I tried many straps).
>fluted bezel is too reflective/flashy in direct sunlight
>case design is too boring
Overall it was a really fun experience, I lost almost all my respect for 95% of watch brands, and I dodged a bullet by not wasting my time/money on an actual rolex which is basically worse in every way (except the air king 5500 which is unfortunately even smaller, but if it was 38-39mm I'd buy one).

>>18530922
ugly shitter

>>18530985
Agreed, just like all Rolex cases.

I'm gonna say something nobody has ever said before.
I quite like Accutron.

>>18531045
And this one.

my samsung watch 5 is more accurate than all of youre shitters by the way. it also doesn't require any maintenance apart from charging it every 3 days at night in my bedroom

why should i be wearing a tick tock watch, again?

>>18531052
gears are cool

get a load of this niglet over there

>>18531052
I'd get a smartwatch so I can change the faces and not own 50 fucking shitters. You know watchfags can't stop at one watch. But you have to upgrade eventually so you'll just have 3 shitters instead of 50. Also a real watch face is better since it's actually real and not pixels.

>>18530896
Same here.

I used to have a large collection but once I realized that they’re all basically the same, I started to get rid of them.
Nowadays, I wear a Garmin most of the time. I kept my Cartier Tank LC for when I want to dress nicely. I kept my grandfather’s Rolex because it’s an heirloom. I never wear it, though.

>>18529142 (OP)
Sup

>>18531402
Don’t make your dog wear a watch. The dog doesn’t like it.

>>18531402
bussin' boomercore

>>18531330
Based ascended seeker of meaningful chronometers.

>>18530922
Jesus that's fucking pathetic, kys

>>18531528
Looks better than most watches.
Post a watch you assembled.

>>18531402
post your cock

>>18531530
>Looks better than most watches.
It's the ugliest watch in this thread, you delusional retard. The proportions are completely off, it looks cheap as fuck and the aesthetic choices you made are all over the place. It's literally a chink fake Rolex you can buy on some shady market in Mumbai lmao.
>Post a watch you assembled
This isn't something to bloat about you idiot. A while ago I went to a lutherie workshop to make my own acoustic guitar. It's a fun thing to do but you won't hear me say I make better guitars than Gibson and how Gibson is a fucking scam.

>>18531549
Anon you is a retard

>>18529142 (OP)
How bad of an idea would it be to stretch a budget to the absolute max and buy a H Moser and Cie? It would be a never sell kind of watch because would technically be a gift (wife gives me some money, I don’t tell her how much it costs and I put the rest on top)

Will H Moser fizzle out and end up impossible to get parts for? Or will they turn more into a FP Journe and really obtain critical acclaim with prices going through the roof?

>>18531557
The latter is more probable.
also consider the fact that wt held Moser to the highest regard until bitterjeet decided to remote it from his charts after whoreanon got one.

>>18531559
I have no idea who whore anon is haha.

You can get the 40mm Pioneer for about the same price as a Rolex Submariner around my neck of the woods. Buy a Sub would be a real good watch for what I would be after, like a rest of the life and give it to a kid kind of watch.

>>18531557
i dont see why it would fizzle out

at worst a conglomerate would buy it out, plus i dont see the meylan's being as delusional as fp journe

>>18531557
Terrible idea for a "never sell" kind of watch.
Moser has that very specific post-COVID microbrand design language that makes them inextricably linked to the early 2020s (flashy dial colors, futuristic vibes, etc).
Every watch reflects its own era in some way, and some eras just suck. Moser’s design language is going to age like milk because they'll remind everyone of the 2020s watch bubble and awful microbrands like Studio Underd0g, Ming, Maen and all that crap. It's already happening btw (terrible resale price, serious watch collectors don't care for it, etc).
Also they’re thick as fuck. The Pioneer is 12mm for a time-only watch, which is fucking ridiculous for a brand pretending to be high horology.
0 chance they turn into the next FP Journe lmao

>>18531570
I appreciate the opinion fren. Next Franck Muller- that being said, were never hyped so much to start with. If I was a rich cunt, I reckon it would be a go, I’m not particularly wealthy

>>18531551
Is right.
>>18531549
When you get your hands onto some watch parts and press your first set of hands onto a dial, maybe you'll have a moment of clarity.

>>18531579
The thing with luxury watches is that they’re little pieces of engineering, symbols of wealth and fashion accessories at the same time.

IMO there are 3 ways to look at watches:
>valuing the whole heritage vibe, the timeless classic stuff, etc
>being a tech nerd, looking for the best movement, innovation, complications, etc
>looking for a specific design that will match your aesthetics

Try thinking about it like distributing skill points in Dark Souls when creating your character and figure out what really matters to you.

I’ve got nothing against Moser or Franck Muller, and I totally get that some people fall in love with those brands.
Here's my take though: if you’re looking for one watch to wear every day, you’re better off going with timeless classics like a Rolex Datejust, a Speedmaster, a Cartier Tank, a Patek Calatrava or whatever.

By definition, a timeless classic keeps you from making any major screw-ups both in terms of the technical side and the design. These watches have proven themselves over the years for very good reasons. If you walk into a room full of the world’s top collectors and watchmakers with a Submariner on your wrist, no one’s gonna laugh at you. It’s also the kind of watch you’ll have no trouble selling later if you have to.

Funnily enough, I think making your own watch is based and very soulful. Unfortunately, the watch you created is gaudy and clearly the result of a mind that lacks direction. For example, you went with a sunburst dial and a fluted bezel. That was overkill. You can't have multiple flashy features; pick one. Another mistake, you went with a weird black, plastic strap on a watch that is meant to be refined. Lastly, you went with Arabic numerals across the whole watch without considering the European numerals (for lack of a better term) at the minute markers. Your design language is all over the place. I encourage your creativity, but I implore you to try again.

>>18531594
I think I’m just going to get a submariner to be honest, either that or a Tudor Pelagos 39.


The Tudor would fit in well because my wife could fit the bill for the whole thing (which I know doesn’t make sense, it is our money, but the sentiment is there)

But I’m leaning towards the submariner, my brother who I’m very close with and is also into watches owes me some money, so I have spun it to my wife to give my brother the money and the money he owes me that he now has liquid is enough for the slightly more expensive watch (would just bank transfer him the extra to go but it for me)

>>18531594
>they’re little pieces of engineering, symbols of wealth and fashion accessories
people only care about the middle and the last parts btw

>>18531606
You're wrong. The average buyer loves having a transparent case back, even on his $500 Baltic shitter that uses some chink potato movement.

>>18531603
Like I've said before, the watch was created to test out features. I wouldn't wear any watch with a fluted bezel, regardless of dial. I wouldn't wear a 36mm or smaller watch, I wouldn't wear a watch that didn't have some visual interest to the case flanks like tapering or satination. The strap I've changed several times, and it doesn't fix the other issues. One thing I REALLY like are the dauphine hands, as they're peaked down the center as opposed to the hands you'll see on a GS which are flat with beveled edges. It's also my only watch with center seconds, which I don't feel strongly about either way. Lastly having a date window is extremely useful. My most worn watch doesn't have date and as I get older I feel that checking the date is something I need more often than checking the time. I also hated the fact that it's automatic. I wasn't wearing it much and having to unscrew the crown to wind it was a pain. Manual wind watches are more fun, but a power reserve indicator would also be nice. So I'm looking for a watch with date and power reserve that isn't mass-produced slop and ideally has an in-house movement, because buying and finishing a movement isn't impressive to me. Any recommendations?

>>18531604
How are people this stupid? If you have to do so much accounting to buy a stupid piece of jewelry you can't afford it.

If your brother had financial trouble in the range of 5-10k, which is literally nothing in western countries, you have no business buying a Rolex, you're just a victim of advertising.

Holy fucking shit, leave to poor people to make sane financial choices.

>>18531665
The man already has a wife. There isn't really much you NEED to spend money on past that point, you just have to save some money for your offspring.
He's making it.

>>18531668
>The man already has a wife.
>There isn't really much you NEED to spend money on past that point.

Sweet summer child lmao

>>18531665
He didn’t want to lose thousands of dollars in bonus interest from his savings account and he was in between jobs because he was sick for a few months bro, gave him a few thousand until he got better and got a new job so he didn’t have to transfer from his savings and not accrue thousands in interest.

I’ve got $100k cash, $100k in stocks and $100k in retirement brah, I’m not even 30 yet, I can afford it. I’d buy it myself, but my wife wants to buy me something, but I’ve got to do some creative accounting because her budget ain’t the same as what I want to spend.

I’ve owned two Rolex’s before, sold them after a few years

>>18531670
If you can afford to have wife and offspring you've probably got everything in your life settled, no? No harm in emptying out the change jars to buy a watch.

>>18531671
Wtf watch guys are THIS POOR??
I thought this was a rich fag hobby, not some lover middle class flex fest.

>>18531580
ali express shitters are just that shitters
even in the pic you can see the metal is shit
i'd rather have a casio

>>18531675
Richfags just wear ipod watches in current year. Exceptions are made only for mechanical watches that are marketed at sports events.
Mechanical watches are for autists and "horology influencers" that try to make it seem mainstream.

>>18531677
Casio is overpriced and their straps break before the first battery change. SKMEI is where it's at.

>>18531678
I think you actually nailed it.

>>18531675
I wouldn’t even call myself middle class bro, I’d say I’m working class, I don’t think it is particularly relevant, my favourite watches are vintage Japanese watches

>timeless
>beater
is it possible to achieve both?

>>18531686
Rolex Explorer.

>>18531686
Yes.

>>18531686
Omega Speedmaster Professional Cal1861
(on a $2 nylon strap)

>>18531686
any steel rolex, especially ones before maxi cases and ceramic bezels were a thing

>beater
>$8000

>https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/rolex-to-host-president-trump-at-us-open-final-in-hopes-of-diplomacy-win-amid-swiss-tariff-dispute
>Rolex To Host President Trump At U.S. Open Final In Hopes Of Diplomacy Win Amid Swiss Tariff Dispute
You really can't get more BASED than Rolex

>>18531715
haven't been on /fa/ in a while
same goes to you lads

>>18531720
Today I found out that hodinkee often incorrectly identifies the watches it sells, tricking customers into buying the wrong watch. Now after reading about this it struck me that the hodinkee guy who I've seen in some lange videos doesn't look like a gentile, if you get what I'm saying.
Nothing in the Early Life section, but then I found an interview article in which he admits it.

>>18531730
>a gentile

Come again?

>>18531603
>I think making your own watch is based and very soulful
That is IF you are making you rown watch and not buying parts from aliexpress to assemble.

>>18531678
>Richfags just wear ipod watches in current year. Exceptions are made only for mechanical watches that are marketed at sports events.
It’s true. The classic trio of daily-dress-beater has been replaced with:
Apple Watch
Dress watch
Flashy watch (like a Richard Mille or APRO)

It's always hilarious how /wt/ (and more generally /fa/) believes rich people is just a homogenous group of individuals with the same taste and habits.
>Bill Gates is wearing a Casio? That means all billionaires wear Casio and luxury watches are for poorfags!
Okay but what about the guy running Black Rock wearing an ALS tourbillon or Zuckerberg who turned into a watchfag over the last 2 years?
Rich people are as diverse as any other groups. Some like to flex, others don't care. Some have taste, others don't.

>>18531730
That's Dufour is so nice

>>18531754
do i have to be smelting my own steel as well? raising a cow for a single strap of leather? fuck off retard

can anyone tell me what watch this is?

>>18531787
I wasn't talking about celeb-tier richfags. I forgot you need to have $40b in assets to be considered rich on /fa/.
I meant people that can afford 2 or more cars and would've had several expensive watches ($5000+) in the 2000s or earlier. Especially so with younger rich people, who also often have fitness trackers, it seems.

>>18531800
You have to separate the iron from your own blood to make it

>>18531756
I'm not even sure if it's a trio. When you go to a nice place for dinner, you'll see sport watches at best. Only boomers and autists would own a dress watch in current year.

>>18531812
if having 2 cars is rich then basically every oxycodone-addicted trailer dweller in appalachia is rich, what planet are you from

>>18531820
OK anon, two (nice) cars.

My wife just called me an incel. What does that even mean? What watch should I get to mark the occasion?

>>18531827
Are all your friends incels? For me, yes, and my wife doesn't like it when I call myself an honorary incel.
And you should get a SKMEI 1988.

>>18531824
what is the second nice car for?

>>18531836
A sedan for daily commuting, an SUV for hiking/skiing trips, towing something to the lake house; and a little sports car for a fun rip (or a GT car for when you and the wife want to take a trip without the kids)

>>18531836
Car 1: 2door RWD manual (mustang, m3, miata, brz, etc)
Car 2: anything that has space for a baby carseat
Broadly, an enthusiasts car and a family car.
Same logic that applies to a two-watch collection. Something meaningful/fun just for you, and something "GADA"

>>18531805
looks like panerai or hugo poedagar

>>18531827
post pics of your wife

>>18531891
I may be a incel from now on, but that doesn't make me a simpcuck

>>18531816
>When you go to a nice place for dinner, you'll see sport watches at best. Only boomers and autists would own a dress watch in current year.
Depends on how nice and what time of day.
A casual lunch, even if it’s at an expensive place, permits casual dress, then you see sports watches.
If it’s a jacket-required dinner, the watches get much nicer. You can tell who’s really stretching the budget if they’re wearing their Seamaster to dinner.

The definition of a dress watch is also different. It doesn’t just mean “white dial, sticks or Romans, precious metal, black strap, no complications (subsecond permissible) and <34mm” anymore.

Like it or hate it, but a 40mm Lange 1 is a dress watch. You see a lot of watches like that.

>>18531756
>Apple-dress-flash
This actually makes a lot of sense from what I’ve seen around.

>>18531787
Jews are petty

>>18529142 (OP)
what is the highest quality everyday sports wristwatch that i can buy for around >500€
and
>1000€
dont care for movement, if it's homage or whatever. just that it feels good on the wrist. ideally black, white, silver or light blue dial, around 40mm, but i dont mind bigger if it's thin. looks wise my favorite watches are pic related, planet ocean, aqua terra, ap ro jumbo, milgaus 1019, heuer monaco

>>18531968
Hamilton.

>>18531627
Check out the Longines Conquest with a power reserve. Vintage or contemporary version

>>18531968
objectively, a NOMOS Club Campus

>>18532013
I actually laughed out loud

>>18531671
>>I’ve got $100k cash, $100k in stocks and $100k in retirement brah, I’m not even 30 yet
Why didn't you retire at 30 lmfao? You gonna work when your dick stops working? Are you on TRT/HGH? Did you get leg lengthening and min/fin/Turkey yet? Do you measure your prostate?

Thoughts on CW The Twelve?

>>18531968
I would take a look at the chinese top brands offerings at that price point there's hardly any competition for them.
Check out San Martin and Boderry if you don't want a clone/homage

>>18532064
The first ultra thin version is vaguely interesting, but on the whole it’s just another attempt to give poor people a teeny tiny taste of what owning a Royal Oak (the watch they ACTUALLY want) is like. Avoid.

>>18531557
>The two primary companies under the Moser brand umbrella are H. Moser & Cie., the luxury watch manufacturing brand, and Precision Engineering AG (PEAG), a sister company that manufactures high-tech components, such as balance springs and regulating organs, for H. Moser & Cie. and other manufacturers.
They make 99%-%100 of their watches and make parts for other companies. They're not going anywhere

>>18532131
>the first
Are you saying you expect more ultra thin 12s?

>>18531687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzqh2kroYIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgorm0DgkBA
Poolex

>>18532046
>calls me a retard and poor for explaining the creative accounting behind purchasing a watch that my wife would be throughly unimpressed with the amount being spent
> Explain how contrary to be poor, my savings, investment, and retirement are currently higher than the average amount for my age


Boy won’t you be displeased when I say I have an above average income, a full head of hair, above average height and above average dick size (length and girth(

>>18532153


Oh and I own some of the best leather jackets around.

>>18532154
>Update

>>18532153
Too bad about that lack of a chin, though.

>>18532138
There’s no question as to whether they makes technically excellent watches (though they made much more impressive pieces before the Meylan family asserted more control.)
The question is whether it’s good to make something like a Moser your “stretch” number one watch in your collection.
It’s a bad idea. Here’s why:

1. Moser has distinctive styling that may not age well. For that matter, you may not like it yourself in 10 years. Think about all the people who loved Panerai 20 years ago and where their tastes lie now. It would be awfully hard to fall out of love with your crown jewel.
2. If you’re stretching financially, you’re ending up with the entry-level models which are generally overpriced and under-spec’ed. Moser, like most high end companies, really only gets interesting higher up in the range. You don’t want to be the guy showing up to a Porsche owner’s meetup in a base model Macan.

>>18532189
People who fell for the Panerai meme 20 years ago are probably unironically still into them now. At least panerai were always relatively affordable, at least the basic models everyone actually wants are. And if you fell for one of the weird $100k panerai novelties with a 20 day power reserve and vibrating cock ring complication you deserve what you got.

>>18532197
I dunno about that. I knew some guys that were HEAVY into Panerai and just over-dosed on them. Plus, they got sick of the brand’s bullshit. Some of them kept one or two pieces but sold the rest. Some got rid of them all. None of them will tell you Panerai is their favorite brand nowadays.

>>18532189
>You don’t want to be the guy showing up to a Porsche owner’s meetup in a base model Macan
This. Getting stuck with a steel Pioneer on a rubber strap for 8-9k? (I assume you’re buying used.). Just not worth it.
You get something with the double hairspring or the modular escapement? Their strange calendar? Now we’re talking at least 20k for an older piece.

been studying these crossthreads for a month now and my conclusion is that this one is the worst of the bunch.
I can go into detail but the number one reason is that most of the interaction aren't real here. it's like you guys are playing "House", too afraid to tell what's really on your mind as if this is some kind of account linked forum. Too afraid to even post your own watch. The other thread I saw people posting Boxes instead of their watches. It's extremely weird and fake.

>>18532206
I'm pretty sure there are still a lot of paneristis.

Anyway, Moser is definitely worse. They're more expensive, many are fucking ugly, AND nobody has heard of or seen them before.

>>18532265
It's actually not lada, it's tavria. But it's like pile of shit in a puddle of vomit regardless.

Has anyone here ever built their own custom watch?

>>18532292
I should receive my strip-mining permit in the next 2-4 years so I can begin collecting the ore to make the billets from which I will mill the case.

>>18532297
haha I mean using aliexpress parts or something

>>18532300
There are a lot videos on yt with full guides. If you're going nh35 the only tricky part is cutting & filing the crown stem to fit your case. Also don't fall for any websites selling overpriced "toolkits for watchmaking." You can get all the tools on AliExpress as well. I also recommend getting a date wheel of your choice, as swapping isn't very difficult and you'll actually unscrew parts of the movement to do this.

>>18532292
The total cost of generic, same-looking watch parts is sometimes more expensive than just getting a Chinese brand and then modding it. At least this is what others do.

What is watch of choice of the strongest man in history?

>>18532303
Has anyone here actually done this? Is it a fun project?

>>18532300
don't bother

>>18532292
>built their own custom watch
Basically Lego for millennials who believe having a "unique" chink watch will make them cool and interesting. Very cringe.

men, I'm looking at buying my first watch, anyone have any recs ~$300
I don't want a bracelet strap, I was looking at some seiko 5s, saw some reviews about how they are low quality for the price though

>>18532307
What size is that? 55mm?

>>18532307
Debilus Maximus

>>18532324
I’ve done it.
It’s more fun to buy an old pocket watch or some other shitter and take it apart, reassemble it, get it running well.
Assembling a watch from parts is not very challenging.

Many years ago, I used to spend time on the vintage Panerai replica forums and actually learned a lot about watchmaking, because we would be reshaping cases by hand, reluming dials, looking for donor movements. That was challenging work.