One can't hurt that much can it? Seriously contemplating doing one where should i get started. What should i consider. Will i be able to keep some of the gains is it worth it? Is TRT always needed afterwards or is there a way to get off of everything after its done. I just wanna see what my body is capable of looking i am 23 years old btw. Give me your thoughts on the matter. Please no faggot responses testosterone levels are extremely low these days getting things back up to 1200 ng/dl for a couple of months can't be that bad people 100 years ago had that level normally without any steroids and they didn't all suddenly die off heart attacks.

>>76250911 (OP)

Doing a cycle is worth if you've been training for at least 6 years consistently and have achieved a good physique and lifts. If you haven't you are going to be unprepared for how to keep your gains after the cycle (which is possible).

TRT is not always needed as long you as you follow proper PCT (post cycle therapy)

After reading your question again I'm curious to know if you've done any research into steroids OP

>>76250927
I did watch some more plates more dates videos a while back don't remember much. Have been thinking about hopping on gear since i was 19 but wanted to wait. Recently i got into lifting again and its fun af. I really like it but i always stop when i get results because i got a lot of other shit to do. Before my testosterone levels hit the shit when i turn 30 i at least wanna reach peak performance once in my life to see what i am actually capable of looking.

>>76250927
How much would a beginner cycle roughly cost in euros? Also is there a way to idk convince a doctor to prescribe TRT and only use that as a cycle maybe take 3 times the reccomend dose or should i use estrogen blockers to prevent gyno or other symptoms. Will this fuck my hormones too hard if i only take TRT but deliberately at a higher dose to get more gains.

>>76250943

I've got no clue I'm not a euro fag but in the U.S I've added it up for my ideal beginner cycle and it's about 200 USD.

In the U.S it's easy af to get a doctor to prescribe TRT because some clinics just operate as legal steroid dealers essentially maybe you might have a euro equivalent.

Don't take a lot more than recommended. For TRT it's about 100-150mg and sports TRT is 200 mg. If you want to do a proper cycle I'd do just 250-300mg to see how your body reacts to it but still making some good gains. You don't wnat to just hop on an estrogen blocker form the start because high estrogen isn't necessarily a bad thing unless your body isn't able to handle it although that's the same with test. Just get some arimidex to have just in case.

Regardless, if you are putting steroids in your body you are fucking with your hormones. You need a proper PCT plan so you don't end with non functional balls.

If you are 23 and not into the groove of it you are probably far off from where you need to be in order to maintain these gains after steroid use and if you can't maintain them after what's the point of doing this?

>>76250911 (OP)
Ok.. about to felt asleep after a long day, so I hope you appretiate it, fag.
Ive done Deca, Testo and Sarms can only speak about those (dont recall the sarm name it was to cut )

1. It ll give you the best phsyque of your life. Its literally the cheat code. You ll lift more, recover faster, etc etc

1.1 on that note, it wont do jack shit if your diet and trainning is not there. Consider this, your diet needs to seriously change its not magic

2. Acne, rage, balls shrinking?.. mehh , wont happen not for 1 cycle no. Maybe a bit of back acne, maybe youd get more irritated than usual, control yoursel, exfoliate youd be Ok.

3. Its not only about the cycle, is the post cycle too. Do your research. Your T levels your whole system will be all over the place. On SARMS my libido went to shit

4. You re 23, do wtf do u wanna do.. but for low test, get some sunlight, take vit D, sleep better, stress less

5. Your results will def banish to some point. Your God mode body wont last forever

6. If you still want to get on gear, spend some $ dont just put anything in your body

>>76250911 (OP)
I jumped on at your age. It’s not worth it, but you sound like your mind is already made up frankly.

The most basic answer I can give is that it would probably be better for you to expend the same time and effort you would’ve put into steroids and the gym into virtually anything else. I wish I did.

I’m now off of everything and looking back it just feels like a fever dream, frankly, and I wish I had figured out how to live with normal testosterone levels during formative adult years rather than getting accustomed to huge amounts of anabolic drugs in my body.

People act like one cycle isn’t a big deal and for some it isn’t, but for most I’d suspect there are real addictive tendencies to steroid use. Personally I’d always be looking forward to the next cycle and obsessing over what to take. Steroids also somewhat led to me getting involved in other drug use, fed partly by the increase impulsiveness and increased libido. Don’t underestimate how these compounds can affect your decision making- I’m type A as fuck and they led to some pretty reckless and regrettable behavior

Of course everyone in fitness glorifies them. But really, just go do something else man. It’s not worth years of your life

>>76250927
>trains for 6 years
>DOESNT achieve good physique and lifts
>has low T
literally retarded logic there, einstein. if you have low testosterone and waste 6 years just to find out you shouldve been wasting your fucking time are you gonna be the one to take the blame for it? of course not because youre a spineless little rebbit tier s0iboi faggot.

i kind of want to saw your limbs off with a stihl for your profound mental retardation

>>76250976
Yeah i probably should seriously lift for a year or so i did for 6 month last year got good gains and then stopped like retard. I will see an endocrinologist in 1 month and look at my test baseline i doubt it is low but idk. Should i deliberately not sleep and eat like shit for a couple of days to lower my levels. If my test is still high ish like 500ng/dl after deliberately doing everything to lower it maybe i shouldn't get on steroids. I will go to 2 separate doctors and get testing done my plan is to fuck with my trt by the forst doc and then do everything to maximize it when i see the second doctor to see how my t fluctuates through bad life style decisions. Thoughts on that idea or should i not do that to get a real baseline.

>>76250993

are you okay?

>>76251010
Probably roid rage kek

On a more serious note i don't have impulsive thoughts or shit but i kinda fear that t will make me more impulsive and reckless any ideas/ advice to deal with that

>>76250996
Yeah, fukin up your T levels on purpose is never a good idea.. its really not.

Take it or leave it but most of the fitbros here are older than you and telling you not do it.. myself included, the older part not the not doing it..

Anyhow, eat better, supplement, more sunlight, less alchool, no nigger drug (weed) ,no stuffing your nose with peruvian nachos, no toxic Gf, no chasing dumb bitches.. all goof advises

Yet again, it sounds like you want to get on gear so.. lift for the rest of the year, get disciplined, start in January after holidays, fuk it

For me steroids were/are worth it, but probably not worth it how you're planning it.
>just one cycle
Almost never happens. Realistically what you think you'll achieve in one cycle takes 2-3.
>1200 ng/dl
Not a cycle if you just get to the top of the reference range. That is called trt
>mpmd
Please please please don't listen to these YouTube pseuds when it comes to cycle design. He and vigoroussteve have some good info, but their recommendations for cycles are retarded and no one serious follows them. 300mg/wk will get you barely anything and if you just pct afterwards you'll lose what little extra muscle you gained. 500mg is the recommended first cycle for a reason
>Will I lose everything when I come off
You'll lose 3-4lbs of muscle coming off almost definitely. You're gonna have a few weeks of effectively zero testosterone - you'll lose muscle no matter what. You'll also lose water weight but desu if you control estrogen you shouldn't be carrying much extra water at the end. Imo, plan to cruise and do at least one more cycle if you are gonna hop on at all. No one does just one cycle.

At the end of the day test only cycles are pretty relatively safe. And by that I mean odds are you could probably run 500 test for a year straight with maybe just some skewed lipids. Almost all other negative sides at that dose come from not controlling estrogen and dht, which are very easy to do. Obviously there are risks, but relatively speaking it's pretty innocuous. That being said, no real point in hopping on if you don't already have training and diet down which I am assuming you don't.

>>76251027
Yeah i definitely need to put on more muscle weight i am 5'8 65kg skinny dude atm pic rel exuse the dirty fucking mirror. Thats my phisque after not lifting for 6 months just got back into it 1 week ago thoughts?

>>76251039
Also to be realistic, you're probably gonna gain at most with average genetics a pound per week of actual muscle, probably a little under that. Assuming proper diet and training

>>76250911 (OP)
>pupils dilated
>ears back
This cat is in fear for his life. Shame on his gook owner.

>>76251041
You're not lean enough to hop on. Lose another 5lbs at least and get rid of the love handles first. Ideally you wanna be single digit bodyfat

>>76251048
Yeah that cat is looking off i posted it because i had no topic related pics in my library lol

>>76251041
Looking good anon wtf you talkin about..

Patience, is all you need. I went back to the gym 1 week ago after two years.. skynny fatso now, msrried, 2 jobs , gotta go at 5am to get it done so.. yea its never easy

On that note, your gym plan probably sucks.. do chest and shoulders, keep tje body fat % low as its probably is now and you golden.. 65kg? Try getting to 70 thats it dont need no more really

>>76251052
I thought i should bulk up more. To help gain more muscle. Ffs every dude is saying something different to my phisque friends i talked to said i should bulk up.

>>76251058
I don't go to the gym i do everything at home. I have dumbells up to 50kg pullup bar dip bar and rubber bands. I mostly did calisthenics shit last year before i stopped working out all together pretty much only did 50 pushups each morning to keep some gains. I am not satisfied at all atm. But i gotta do so much other shit all day. I need to cut out more time somehow. Agree with the training plan shit i need to get one set up. Lasg year i did Monday Biceps triceps foreame ans chest
Tuesday rest day
Wednesday Legs
Thursday rest
Friday back and shoulders
Saturday rest
Sunday running for 5km or calisthenics full body stuff for roughly 45 min to an hour.

I should just bite the bullet and get a gym membership machines are superior in targeting specific muscles and i wanna do leg press stuff but i don't like gym culture and the one in my shitty small village sucks so maybe i shouldn't go to the gym idk kinda twisted on the idea

>>76251060
The fatter you are the more you aromatize, so basically the more AI you'll have to take. You'll also ideally be bulking the entire cycle, would you really be comfortable bulking for 4 months at that starting bodyfat? You're not fat, probably a hair under 15% bodyfat if I had to guess. But by PED user standards you are definitely too fat to start a cycle.

>>76251082
Thanks for the advice i will probably try to go real hard until next year spring and the look into getting my first cycle done.

>>76251079
Needs more frequency. If you got dumbbells up to 50kg a place to do chins and dips and assuming a bench (if not get one) honestly you are golden. Whether you stay natty or not bump up the frequency. Everything should be hit 2x a week at a minimum.

>>76251079
I hear ya. About what you said before, about evrybody saying something different yeea that ll always be the case but I guarentee they all wish they could be 23 again lol

Yea, get in the gym bro.. got to. Dont like ppl? Me neither. Go early, real early 4-5am in the morning thats it.. build that discipline plus youll probably see some good looking girls working out , thats motivation...

>>76251087
I tried doing that last year but it was too rough i had problems recovering. That was one reason i stopped training because i got burned out. Making excuses again but it's rough out here man.

>>76251087
Yup.. this mfer 23 and lookin better than 90% /fit/ lol

>>76251095
Yeah i need to go to a proper gym.

>>76251099
Lol i rarely post here but if thats the case thats kinda sad.

>>76251103
Yeee... I was about to fell sleep so thats it

Now hit the gym you fag, stay off gear, fuk some bitches, make us proud anon <3

>>76251109
Thanks bro

>>76250984
>fed partly by the increase impulsiveness and increased libido. Don’t underestimate how these compounds can affect your decision making- I’m type A as fuck and they led to some pretty reckless and regrettable behavior
Can you tell us more about your experiences anon?

What about just lifting normally? I wouldn't dissuade anyone from that. It has a lot of benefits

>>76250911 (OP)
Unrelated question, but those in the know, is the cato in OP webm alright?
It seems stressed/traumatized, rather than cute, I can imagine some fgt doing harm to it for internet clout.

>>76252457
it's obviously annoyed which is apparent from the dilated pupils and ears pulled back
probably from the owner fiddling with its belly too much
always funny to me when dogniggers who have zero clue about feline behavior always go like "that's one clingy cat" nigger that cat is fucking annoyed and is just trying to get the retard playing with it to just stop already

its never "just one" of anything bro

oh just one giant bottle of chocolate milk. of course i can keep it to just one

im gonna take adderall to study just this once for this one exam. well i need it for the next exam too. nothing bad happened last time. well of course i study always on adderall, why wouldnt i?


yeah im gonna try heroin just once. wait a minute, you dont die instantly? its not thbat bad for you? ahhh fuck it ill use it a little more. having a rough week this week so i will use it for the whole week. nbd i get a lot done

once you uncork certain behaviors its pretty hard to put a cap back on them. especially if the side effects are really muddied and vary person to person. you can cruise your whole life and be healthy. nobody goes back to natty lifting after trying out trt+.


but hey anon... its just advice... you can do whatever the FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK you wanna do.

They are fun as fuck and make training and gaining all sports more fun.

This seems like the thread to ask
Ahem, how would one go about getting anavar or other enhancers?

>>76250984
Why did you stop?

>>76251268
I got horribly addicted to drug fueled gooning. Combined with steroids it’s a one-way street to winding up on Grindr in your 60s with the username Dirty Diapers. I won’t elaborate further. Yes lifting normally is great, much better imo. Steroids enable obsession. The gym just isn’t that important. I look at most bodybuilders and fitness influencers now with pity. They’re completely stuck in a routine, afraid to stop because they have self-esteem issues and don’t want to lose any size. Just watch Larry Wheels or Leanbeefpatty or anybody else shooting fitness content. They don’t look happy to me. They look like they’re appeasing a compulsion. If you’ve been there you understand it
>>76254387
I knew at the end of my last cycle I was done while I was tapering off. The tl;dr is they just arent worth it. They’re inherently unsustainable. IMO non enhanced lifting is sufficient for 99% of peoples goals and is superior in that you don’t become an obsessive freak over your hobby. I kinda also view gearheads in a similar way to methheads. The extreme positive and extroverted energy is almost always just a result of the compound and not really a natural part of that person, so it strikes me as kinda fake now. Same with the confidence and sense of masculinity. This isn’t to disparage them they’re fine people and usually super pleasant in the gym, but it’s just how I view them now

anyone ever tried a tbol only cycle? low doses? i was thinking of trying it. cheap and you dont really have to worry about your test levels getting fucked up

>>76255040
What if you're a person that loves the gym (it took me out of depression) and goes there because you like it so much and don't see it as an obligation? What if the gym is everything you have going in ur miserable life, is doing a cycle valid in that case?
You're right tho, roids aren't cheap where I live it's probably not going to be sustainable for a lifetime, I'm just curious on how id few on a cycle.

>>76250911 (OP)
dont do it anon, i did 1 cycle test e 500mg 1 yerar ago and im still dealing with the cystic acne and the scars that came along with it.

>>76252509
>its never "just one" of anything bro
This, especially because roiding makes you feel energized and confident. Imagine putting a lot of muscle on (If you trained hard), feeling great all the time, and saying "Welp, I'll never ever do that again! Nothing went wrong, but nope!"

Everyone keeps doing it until they get health problems, tear a muscle, or die.

Also? It's a shortcut for pussies who don't want to spend the time and effort most of the time, because peak natty is ideal for most scenarios.

>>76250911 (OP)
You're at the prime age to start roiding. Your body can take more abuse the younger you are.

>>76256903
I think especially if you love the gym stay away from gear. Roids and gym are just escapism. As with many things in life, less is more. Natty lifting already can comprise a significant amount of time and effort, adding in steroids increases the investment of both, for temporary gain. You will never get that time back. This is all besides the fact natty physiques look great. It’s really all about being lean at the end of the day. If you are needing more physical activity just pick up a real sport or get into running, no need to inject some chinese lab bullshit into your body. Ignore all the hype, most pro-steroid talk is from young dudes who don’t know better or from “gearheads” who made the gym and steroids their whole life

>>76250911 (OP)
First cycle is always underwhelming and alot of people fuck it up trying to "recomp" or not eating enough, not training right, eating too much and getting fat etc.
Look how many retards here think steroids make you get jacked without doing anything and eating all the junk food you want.
Also everyone is doing bitch cycles 200mg test or just 20mg anavar only because they're afraid of needles and scared of 500mg test.
No one even roids to get huge anymore they just take bitch doses to look like a slightly bigger natty.

>>76250911 (OP)
Love this little nigga like you wouldn't believe

>>76250961
So u are fat shitskin mutt eh

>>76250911 (OP)
There's a reason they're addicting. IF you have a successful first cycle it's like opening pandora's box, you'll never want to go back to the "old" you. It's not just the physical benefits you become addicted to, but the mental effects too.

I put on an unbelievable amount of mass my first cycle, it completely changed me physically and mentally. I was training for a while but I was never serious about it, I just fucked around in the gym occasionally and didn't track my macros.
I won't go into what made me flip the switch because it's personal, but one day I decided to say fuck it, isolated myself, and put all my energy into bodybuilding. I knew if I put in the work and effort I would see results, unlike other areas of my life that were fucked up. I wanted control, I wanted power.

So I did 500mg test e and 250mg mast e weekly for about 20 weeks, ate a shit ton, it was mostly clean food, drank mass gainer shakes, did a modified PPL, trained almost every day, tracked progress, did cardio, walks, etc. When it was over I tried to PCT but it made me feel like ass, my strength started to go down, I didn't feel the same, so I just stuck with TRT. I'm in my mid 30s so whatever, but it's something you should think about before starting. I love steroids now, I'm on my 3rd cycle and blast once a year and never intend on stopping. But it has affected me mentally in a negative way, I'm definitely more jaded and isolated than I was before starting them.

>>76258726
Did roids improve ur sexual life, anon?

>>76258726
For me i went from being perpetually underweight, like anemia skinny. put on 30 pounds, worked out religiously and actually stuck to it for a full 5 months and kept and maintained a balanced diet over the same timeframe, and had energy and motivation the entire time, i was actually productive for the first time in years, as a result i cant see myself going back to bashing my head against the wall naturally.

Yeah. Not because the roids made me smoother or more romantic, but because it changed how I carried myself cause I don't give a fuck about much anymore. Also, Good physique = more confidence = more attention.
Women notice and I get taken more seriously. But it didn’t fix anything deeper, just gave me leverage I didn’t have previously.

>>76259009
> and had energy and motivation the entire time, i was actually productive for the first time in years, as a result i cant see myself going back to bashing my head against the wall naturally.
Yeah, this is definitely a huge part for me and why I keep going back. Anabolics flip the little switch in your brain and makes task completion almost instinctual. You go from a "I should do this" mentality to "I MUST do this". It literally changes your brain's dopaminergic system.

>>76259023
Meant to reply to >>76258919 as well.

>>76250996
I don’t think that shit has a big effect on the test. I got my test levels taken a few years back. I was overweight and fluffy my cholesterol was bad and I jerked off 13 times before the test and got like 3 hours of sleep. Shit still came back mid 600s. I remember the last few yanks were like pushing rope, but I really wanted low t so I could get hrt. Honestly super glad I didn’t have low t or hopped on gear. Working out natty is way better and most roid monkeys look awful even blasting gear. Just be 6 foot with a good face and frame and natty gains are all you need. Steroid users look weird and gross. Even the way their muscles hold water looks off and they usually have tiny little Manley frames packed with too much muscle.

>>76259060
those grapes were sour anyways