WARNING TO WHITES WHO TAKE UP A STRIKING SPORT (boxing, kickboxing, MMA, etc..)
almost ALL trainers will push you to be a pillowfisted technical fighter just because you aren't black, they deeply believe every black is an inherently explosive knockout artist and every white guy is a weak low test nerd, this is true especially if you have non-white trainers in the west.
there are many reasons for this, mostly due to american boxing, but the knowledge of powerpunching has been forgotten since boxing really took off in the '60s, technical punching should be like 80% of your arsenal atleast, but knowing how to really use power is rarely taught anymore.

they still know in some former soviet countries (despite russians being pointfighters, and thailand specifically where western "sports science" never intruded on their muay thai tradition of racking up ring experience since age 5. fighters in these countries learn how to hit hard despite having even stockier bodies than westerners.

>>76252871 (OP)
>yeH im not cusdamsto you srennt moike fackin toisin are ya

>>76252871 (OP)
What if I'm mexican tho

>>76252871 (OP)
>muay thai and peakaboo boxing work perfectly together
>it sort of becomes capoeira
>add wrestling

perfect fighter

oh shit I just described yoel romero

>>76252909
>the guy who lost to paulo costa
nice bait

>>76252871 (OP)
>what being terminally online does to a nigga
anyways post body or nothing you have to say has merit to begin with

>>76252901
i don't know because there are no mexicans where i live, but judging by the logic i've experienced, they will might just demand you be an infighter who bobs weaves and rolls figure 8's at lightspeed despite you being 6'3 and fat.
they mean well most of the time, but this is how it is. most white fighters that hit hard have been trained by other whites or started out outside the west, ideally you go to a gym of your race.
>>76252909
the headmovement of peekaboo boxing does not mix well with muay thai at all, you could argue dutch/k1 style kickboxing, however that is much more combination punching based, the closest thing would probably be somebody like enriko kehl who fought a lot under muay thai rules and also uses a lot of headmovement, but this guy is also not a powerpuncher because pressure and volume matters so much here. peekaboo boxing is a dead style that existed solely for floyd patterson and mike tyson. its complicated but combination punching was basically developed for american blacks who may fit this fast twitch stereotype, they are not meant to go past the 2nd half of a fight, they have long reach and could punch hard combinations for a few rounds and hopefully get a KO before they inevitably gassed.
however white fighters can punch hard, for a very long time, much like a diesel engine, just can't accelerate so much volume in a single round, the overall dosage is the same, but at different pace.
look at early klitschko, beterbiev, or even tommy morrison.
>>76252933
i've trained in kickboxing for years, you don't know shit faggot. fighting gyms are all very politically incorrect and this isn't a taboo for them, but they overgeneralize and knockout artistry is very very dead. my trainer from the beginning said i have everything but need more power, tried to teach me, but taught me wrong, i had to figure out the kinetic chain myself, they always forget something.

>>76252923
Paulo Costa is a perfect human there is no shame in getting lost in his eyes and getting heemed

>>76252871 (OP)
True, except for Michael Chandler. And Chad Mendes. And Cody Garbrandt. And Justin Gaethje. And Joe Pyfer. And Josh Emmett...
Anon maybe you just don't hit hard and every coach realizes you're a pillowfisted wimp?

>>76252948
you wrote all this only to have simply poorly visualized a proper combination of muay thai and peakaboo

you cannot hit that motherfucker its 90% capoeira at that point

>>76252968
>posts list of fighters most who have been trained specifically by white trainers who made multiple power punchers such as trevor wittman and eric nicksick

thanks for proving my point cunt.

>>76252871 (OP)
You never learn your own martial arts op and youre then bring the niggers into this which is just entirely another topic.

>>76252971
capoeira relies on momentum and lightness of feet that can't come from a squared stance, the most logical conclusion of "peekaboo boxing and muay thai" is just dutch kickboxing.

>>76252978
You said almost all trainers do this but now you're being retarded and making it solely about race. This is not a real thing, your mind has been destroyed by /pol/. And also you don't hit hard because you're a sissy. I'd chin you so bad lmao.

>>76252998
i hit hard, i just had to adjust it myself because my trainers struggle to articulate it due to american boxing influence where they love niggers so much and the lines got blurred between different teaching and competing styles. if it makes you mad for some strange reason then i guess you can draw some fantasy of me in your head if that makes you feel better but that doesn't change the facts.

>>76252998
if you think combat sports trainers dont see colour you have never ever stepped into a martial arts gym.

Can someone explain the white obsession with Negroes?

>>76253010
Yeah, you don't learn to hit hard, you either have it or you don't. Francis Ngannou didn't learn to hit hard because he had the best and brightest niggers in France teaching him, it's just innate. You seem to think you're now a power puncher because you learned to sit down on your punches and rotate your hips properly. You aren't. If you were a natural heavy hitter, a coach would have picked up on it. You're coping and blaming your skin color like a victim mentality sissy. And I would sleep you out cold.

>>76253022
Gee I wonder why race obsessed freaks on 4chan are then only ones who have cracked the case on this and no other whites who train combat sports have noticed this phenomenon and vocalized it. A real brainbuster indeed.

>>76253026
more like why are combat sports trainers obsessed with them, i didn't say a single "racist" thing yet everybody cries because i am talking about white guys being treated weirdly. combat sports gyms overgeneralize races and particularly blacks. you are strawmanning and having kneejerk low test reactions and probably never thrown a punch in your life.
blacks have specific attributes that can give an edge in striking on the surface level, typically longer reach. but this has led to misconceptions about power and speed, combined with evolution of competition and sports science, different races and bodytypes have their own advantages which isn't accounted for most of the time. most whites should punch heavy at a steady pace instead of full throttle combination punching.
>>76253032
>>76253032
>you either have it or you don't.
this is my whole argument, you can definitely learn to hit hard, all the hardest "natural" punchers don't actually use combinations, if they do, they gas out halfway the fights. they don't teach you the differences between technical and power punching. there are many fighters who started out punching weakly and turned to a better coach suited for teaching it and started knocking people out. trevor wittman in particular is one guy who taught people how to use power better.
>>76253041
you can keep fantasizing, non-whites are the most guilty of what i'm saying.

>>76253041
have you ever heard joe rogan talk about black ufc fighters? combat sports coaches and enthusiasts are obsessed with race.

>>76253060
Joe Rogan is a literal cuckold who raised his wife's black child I don't care about him.

>>76253060
That's just Rogan, though; he's a weirdo. Haven't heard anything similar said by anyone outside of him

>>76253041
this has been part of the american consciousness since at least the 70s
>le great le white le hope

things bitter projecting brown fightlets ITT don't get
>modern gyms do not differentiate between "rubberbanding" combinations and full powershots that require braking at the end to return to guard
>many gyms don't even teach the right hook, right bodyshot, or even overhand right anymore
>knowledge of uppercut form is just gone, they rarely want you to use it, if they do its usually an arm punch in a combination
>angling and footwork and punch selection regarding a rocked/hurt opponent is completely gone from teaching curriculums
>in european kickboxing gyms, the nafris are OBSESSED with blacks
>in america every boxing trainer is OBSESSED with blacks
>in foreign places like former soviet countries, asia, philosophy of martial arts is completely different, in muay thai they don't even care what your dominant side is, if you want to be a southpaw while being right-handed they don't give a fuck many of these actually exist. they don't believe in "power is born" "skill is born", its all training and technique.
this is because every gym wants solely to have winning fighters which is easiest to do with pointfighting, going for knockouts has been out of fashion since the 60s, everything risky has been filtered out.

>>76253053
>i am talking about white guys being treated weirdly
Has anybody ever made similar observations, or is it just you?

ok

>>76253109
yes, all the overgeneralizations i talk about are internalized common consensus among people who do combat sports.

>>76253083
>>76253088
literally every fight fan speaks like rogan because rogans job is just to speak like every fight fan, you're being very disingenuous. why are you so afraid of what i'm saying? trainers sure aren't.

>>76253115
Has anyone ever called it out, I mean?

>>76253106
that sentiment comes from boomers who believe all the racial crap i'm talking about, in reality soviet boxers were amazing at the time.

>>76253123
yes, i've seen it a lot on online spaces which you might not find legitimate but i can imagine other people find it taboo to talk about in real life.

>>76252871 (OP)
The problem isn't that everyone just forgot how to use the kinetic chain behind a punch, the problem is that this isn't optimal for the sports of striking.

In a self defense situation, sure. You've backed the other guy up, you win. Take your space back and exit. Done. But in a sport you now have to chase him down and pushing forward is risky and metabolically expensive. Knockout artists get gassed and punished in striking sports.

Coaches want you to compete and make their name famous, so they will train you to play the sport of striking and back up and counterpunch while circling away, rather than plant your feet and knock an aggressor the fuck out for taking your space away from you.

All irrelevant though because wrestling is the most important skillset for a fight. You can just walk away from a striker. You're forced to defend yourself from a grappler. Simple as.

If you want to train power, read Dempsey and hit the heavy bag. You can then apply that power AFTER you've used your actual centerline movement to negotiate space and set up a chance to use power. If you just focus on power, no matter how mechanically optimal, you will hit nothing against a competent boxer and you will get out on your back against a competent wrestler.

Wew lad i had no idea westoids fell of so hard
t. Soviet school boxer

>>76253053
>there are many fighters who started out punching weakly and turned to a better coach suited for teaching it and started knocking people out
No, there are fighters who learned how to land their punches better, but there are no fighters who spontaneously became power punchers halfway into their career unless they hopped on PEDs.

>>76253136
finally someone understand what the fuck i'm saying JFC.
don't you agree though that there is a place for both and the technique-focus has gone too far in some cases? you see quite often in boxing for example a heavyweight gets rocked and they struggle to finish them against the ropes, resorting to windmilling hooks until the bell rings (usyk vs fury 1), to me this looks like a decline of the art.

>>76252871 (OP)
maybe you just suck bro, didn't read your blog tho

>>76253160
What a valuable contribution

>>76253107
True. They're hiding all the ancient forbidden techniques from the white fighters and keeping them for the black fighters only.

>>76253174
not what i said.
trainers have internalized racial overgeneralization and mis-apply styles and lack articulation and knowledge of the kinetic chain
can you read or are you just going to keep projecting your inferiority complex you little spic?

>tfw slav with low explosive power even when compared to other wh*tes
I never stood a chance

>>76253157
go back to posting tranny dicks and eceleb ufc commentary on /heem/ with your laughably shit tier knowledge please

>>76253180
do you atleast have an impenetrable neanderthal brow ridge and good jab?

>>76252871 (OP)
People here will laugh because 4chan doesn't know shit, but OP is absolutely right. You can re-engineer the correst technique by reading old books on boxing and just using a partner who can give feedback on how hard you punch while he's wearing protecting, pads, holding the bag etc. Dempsey's book is a part of it but doesn't teach it completly. It's still better than all western boxing coaches.

You should be able to knock people out when they hold the heavy bag for you like fForeman, and if you're white you don't need to be a 220llbs+ nig to do it. You should eb able to bruide your coach badly when he's holding Thai pads for you just by punching. This is all just correct technique, no special secret or genetics needed.

Just follow the old advice and ignore modern sports science. It sucks. I am not trolling here. Get the old books, try things out.

Though I have to wonder why it is like that. I know most boxing trainers are/were Jewish, but before WW2, they had no problems teaching whites, in spite of preferring negro boxers. Back when boxing was bare knuckle, negros were free xp too, they didn't stand a chance at all.

>>76252998
>You said almost all trainers do this but now you're being retarded and making it solely about race.
And he is right about it. You're the typical ignorant fatburger.

>>76252871 (OP)
Yes, can confirm 100%.

Specifically, stuff that "everyone knows" like not telegraphing, keeping your non punching hand up, raising your punching shoulder, keeping in balance, heavy weight training, all this destroys striking power.

Don't believe me? Fine, just try to find a strong puncher who does any of the above. You won't find a single one. You will find, however, that all strong punchers are called technically deficient, with natural power and all that shit.
Pro tip: The reason their technique is different is because the technique that you think is correct is stifling your punching power.

If you know this, training a powerful puncher, turning a pillow fisted nerd into a KO machine, is trivial. But the drawback is that the guy will forever be called technically deficient and primitive. Not everyone can deal with that.

And yes, white guys are trained wrong, probably on purpose. Media and politics need black champions for integration purposes.

>>76253184
I don't know why you're talking about tranny dicks, sorry you went to some cardio kickboxing mcdojo and they didn't teach you the fundamentals. You will never be a power puncher and I would knock you stiff. Like a plank of wood.

>>76253193
i don't blame them because obviously almost nobody here has ever trained let alone for longer than a year (probably 80% quit before then), and you need to actually know shit.
but there are many who observe this, i understand all the logic and reasons, but i don't see why gyms wouldn't teach both a "safe and technical" cross and a "knockout cross" for example, since most of the time gyms also teach various degrees of low kicks, different jabs, etc..
most people observe this when they go to thailand to train on pads.
https://youtu.be/Hh_OhX7LHPs?feature=shared&t=144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6lisP19NkQ
nobody ever said different punches have different applications, but they really threw away powerpunching altogether for what seems to be mere convenience of training normies more easily and commercially.

>>76253213
Is it impossible to not telegraph while maintaining striking power?

>>76253222
Correct, that is another one of those "everybody knows" things: Don't drop your punches, pull them back in a straight line. But why? People claim it leaves you open, but it increases punching power.

This shit makes me crazy, desu. White people are truly trained wrong, on purpose. No I won't post Kung Pow, even though I just quoted it. Absolute madness. But then again, neutralizing small scale combat potential in populations is something governments did all through recorded history and really, everyone knows about government gutting Germany's and Japan's martial arts after WW2. But why would they do this in the US too?

>>76253178
>are you just going to keep projecting your inferiority complex you little spic?
Erm you literally made a thread crying about how you don't punch as hard as Tyrone and Jamal you fat retard.

>>76253233
where?

>>76253225
Lol just try it if you think you know better than literally 4000 years of sports evolution from ancient Greek boxing (maybe longer if we count Egyptians).

>>76253225
Yes.
Of course it's not full on pulling back like an untrained fighter, but to use the stretch shortening cycle, you will need a small counter movement.
Making it work will mean not only differnet punching technique but to engineer a new fighting style as a delivery system. Look at how people in 20s and earlier boxed, they looked very different, for example parrying and bobbing/weaving instead of blocking. One of the reasons for that is that this is the kind of delivery system you need for power punches.

>>76253238
>>76252871 (OP)

>>76253213
some of this might hold some truth but isnt applicable against other fighters if you make it an entire style more reminiscent of pre-50s boxing, the problem is style prioritization that doesn't always work with everyone leading to loss of knowledge and (applicable) technique.
a lot of it is also in the dosage of pressure.

>>76253252
quote me where i said i can't punch as hard as other races?

>>76252997
you are just dumb, first post I reference capoeira and your little brain cant imagine it

the movement of peakaboo, and then you use that momentum not only for punches but for kicking and knees and elbows

its a weaving a ducking movement in peakaboo

it becomes capoeira

idiot

>you gotta pivot and turn on the ball of your foot bro! wait wait wait you forgot to shouldersnap, you almost got it!
>not destroying the bag yet? well i guess thats it you just dont have black king bbc genetics better bounce around like manny pacqiao and punch like you're doing taekwondo with kicks my guy dont bother doing any squats either just keep doing upright pushups against the opponent..
https://youtu.be/_6yrmitgcmo?feature=shared

>>76253281
i prefer extending both my arms and spinning really fast like a helicopter to repeatedly hit them in the head then when they're stunned and have birds flying around their head i wind up my right hand atleast 10 times before i let it go and the uppercut lifts them off their feet into the air.

>>76253291
that bag weighs like 20lbs brother

>>76252871 (OP)
Keep pol in pol, newfag.
Also, clean technique equals high power. The only reason to train someone for power without technique is if he's to retarded to be trained properly.

>>76253308
sure buddy, keep throwing glorified arm punches.
https://youtu.be/GFdS-AkogNM?feature=shared

>>76253262
NTA, and I'm completely devoid of any boxing knowledge or experience. But from what I can pick up in this very thread, especially from this anon >>76253136 who seems to know his stuff, the current predicament boxing finds itself in, not teaching "kinetic chains" and all that, has to do with the fact that it simply isn't practical from a sports perspective. So everyone gets taught the less powerful techniques. Willy and Timmy are thought to be technical fighters just as much as Jamal and Tyrone. It isn't a racial thing, so why are you making it one?

>>76253308
theres a facebook reel of the guy hitting like 1300 on the punching machine but i guess the african warrior fast twitch genetics misfired and accidentally landed in bumfuck khazakhstan on a norwood 5 dad.

>>76253319
I remain unimpressed by some bald ugly freak hitting a bag. let's see how he fights or spars.

>>76253332
>moves the goalposts

>>76253327
>punching machine
ok. I cringed. you win.

>>76253337
stunning argument.

>>76253334
you posted two videos of him hitting the same bag you retarded nigger.

>>76253326
>>76253326
>and I'm completely devoid of any boxing knowledge or experience
i can tell.
that poster just said the same thing i did but i made it about race because trainers make it about race, which i've explained multiple times, perhaps reddit or X is more your speed where you can downvote people and move on instead of begging for a concession to a non-point. being asshurt about something you dont like is not my problem go get fucked you whiny bitch.

>>76253347
>because trainers make it about race
Then why parrot their bullshit when you know better? It seemed that you had an authentic point to make, but now you just proved the anons were right when they called you out for race-baiting. Your juvenile insults just confirm it. Sad, as this could've been a genuinely good thread with useful info. Chase those black phantoms out of your head.

>>76252948
blah blah if you've been active for years you'd have a physique you're not afraid to show
nice cope essays though you retarded dwarf

> taking a punching machine seriously
You’re a moron, go to a different gym if you don’t like it. Are you a hobbyist, a person just getting into shape or are you trying to be a boxer? Coaches won’t waste their time teaching you incorrectly because of your skin, there are loads of lighter skinned people that power punch and darker ones that don’t hit hard. Jon jones could punch hard to save his life. There’s a skill and genetic component to it all

>>76253385
>make thread about trainers being obsessed with race and why it matters
>DURR WHY U MAKE IT ABOUT RACE THO THATS LE RACIST! X50000
have you tried reading the thread once?
>>76253386
i dont care how gay you are and your lust for physique pics online be on-topic or go back to tiktok or where ever you zoomers come from

>>76253462
read the thread, illiterate zoomerbrained adhd scum. trainers overgeneralize races and dont like to teach certain races certain styles and ways, not always because of racial beliefs but many factors affecting teaching over the decades, they don't do it consciously most of the time.
i know you get dopamine cummies in your brown tiktok head from posting shit that makes you feel like you know anything within a millisecond of reading some keywords, but sometimes there is nuance to a conversation and people aren't strawmen, i never said i dont like my gym or that i haven't learned, the fact i HAVE learned made me come to this conclusion.

>>76253463
>I will start a discussion related to race even though it's really irrelevant to the topic
>Gets called out
>What! How dare you!
Seek help, for your own wellbeing.

>>76253564
>nobody can mention race ever ever, not even if it is on topic, if race is mentioned it is automatically not on topic
you are the dumbest motherfucker alive and really really need to go back

>>76253463
Ok so you don't actually train and just jerk off to some bald guy hitting a kid's size bag

>>76253591
ive been kickboxing for the larger part of a decade, your aesthetics have fuck all to do with your skill knowledge or even power moron.
if i was andy ruiz you would say i only punch big macs into my mouth.

>>76253591
most fighters look dyel retard, im gonna guess you really value chris bumstead's take on how to hit a rock solid left hook?

>>76253603
>>76253612
>There are good fighters who are fat
>That means I should be fat
No. You aren't Andy Ruiz.
>most fighters look dyel retard
Just wrong. You're obese anyways, not DYEL.

>>76253621
anything to add to the conversation besides your performative downvotes?

>>76253625
Yes I'd also like to add that anyone reading this should be aware that OP is fat and has tits and he still can't even punch hard. Kek.

>>76253463
ah yes, the ultimate cope for a larper
>u-ur just gay!
you don't lift, you don't fight, you aren't intelligent

>>76253633
whatever fantasy you need to cope with your emotional reaction to what im saying buddy. if my thread upsets you you can always leave.
>>76253634
my opinion comes from years of experience and training, i fight and i lift occasionally, meanwhile the only thing you do is project incompetence without anything to back it up, just blanket statements from obvious insecurity and trying to fit in on this dead ass board. subhuman genetic waste mentality. atleast one of the other guys was an armchair analyst who watches UFC occasionally.

>>76253634
since you know so much better can you explain how hes wrong and post your physique while you're at it?

>>76253646
>you can always leave.
how about you leave the food in the fridge, lardass?

>>76253648
>can you explain how hes wrong
Because he can't figure out that it's obviously disadvantageous to fight like a power puncher in combat sports unless you're a born power puncher.

>>76253708
>technical punching should be like 80% of your arsenal atleast, but knowing how to really use power is rarely taught anymore.
this is a quote from the OP.
did you not read it?

>>76253193
got any recommendations on the old books?

>>76253708
waiting on the actual counterpoints and physique pic from you.

>>76252871 (OP)
wtf, so they only teach blacks how to powerpunch? why have whites been forbidden from learning?

>>76253811
nah, you might be autistic if you see everything in such a black and white way. no pun intended.
but trainers have gotten confused about styles and body types, fighters have to fight with their own bodytype attributes (tall, short, long limbs, short limbs, narrow, stocky builds etc), but understanding of mechanics have been lost due to racial stereotypes and "sportsification".
you should look into oldschool boxing and see how different the italians, irish, and blacks boxed.
and research how various muay thai camps train their fighters despite muay thai's various bodytype styles (clincher, technical kicker, puncher etc.) for example muangthai trains at saenchai's gym but still remains an pressure elbow specialist despite on paper being a perfect candidate for saenchai's tall kicking style (even though saenchai is also especially short for his particular style).
if you want to learn more you should join a fighting gym, its very rewarding but be aware of such biases and do a lot of your own research and experimentation, thats how you learn best.

>>76252909
you know you can just clinch and spam knees in muay thai right?

>>76253646
you're a fat roleplayer and the only thing you fight is diabetes

>>76253844
so they only focus on black guy body types is what you're saying. Odd since whites alone makeup about half of the demographics of that sport.

>>76253936
no they don't "only focus on black guy body types", its much more complex than that because there are almost endless nuances to fighting styles with overlaps and specializations, however most martial arts have been heavily influenced by american boxing in particular, in which blacks are very overrepresented who evolved the sport since the 1950s, you can see this difference very easily by looking at how different soviet boxing is, you don't even have to be a fighter to see how different they are because they are very visibly so.

>>76253947
>its much more complex than that
well that's not how it came across in the OP. What would you say is the main difference of soviet boxing to western boxing specifically?

>>76253936
most western boxing trainers believe powerpunching is solely a very fast + heavy evander holyfield type of guy, or george foreman, using long and fast hooks explosive hooks, when there are in fact different styles that can rack up knockouts in similar rates using power crosses and jabs and overhands with a different pace.
before muhammad ali most non-black american boxers were boxer punchers or extreme infighters (I.E rocky marciano, jake lamotta), powerpunching doesn't have to be flashy and fast is the main misconception and lost understanding of the kinetic chain. unwillingness to even try training power, prioritizing teaching entire classes how to pointfight for convenience.

>>76252901
Mexicans lack both power and size but can take a lot of punishment, usually. They can get inside on a fighter and land volume because they can absorb a lot of shots to the head.

>>76253984
soviet boxing revolved around the olympics which i hope you know the history about, the soviets allocated government resources into that.
they mainly focus on very good footwork with long range punches such as the jab and cross, they bounce in and out of range to score points consistently and catch/counter opponents if they pressure. their guard is pretty open and they relax their shoulders. however their program also consisted of the usual soviet scientific methods and they realised where power came from in punches and that is why some soviet style gyms still understand it, despite not training for powerpunching because they wanted to minmax their pointfighting in the olympic boxing rules.
you can see in a lot of former soviet state boxers and kickboxers that they powerpunch despite not having the stereotypical "explosive" movement in their style at all. examples being bivol, beterbiev, golovkin, isaev (kickboxing), a counterexample of very "pure" soviet style pillowfisted boxers are usyk and lomachenko who are both trained by the father of lomachenko.

>>76253936
Boxing at its best is a rhythmic dance which is a cultural and inherited talent of blacks. Also, they have very fast twitch fibers in their muscles. They tend to have exceptionally long arms for their height. They are also excellent at improvisation. sometimes on average other races tend to be too traditional and robotic and too classical. Blacks will try more ‘slick’ non conformed movement which tends to throw off the more straight up fundamental boxing style .

>>76253107
Knocked out guy must be drunk. Backwards hat threw that punch from 1997 and still landed clean.

>>76252871 (OP)
Meanwhile irl the black style is a slick out boxing pillowfister
>see srl, ali, Floyd sr, Floyd jr, ward, crawford etc.
Black hitters are outliers
>foreman, tyson, wilder

>>76252871 (OP)
my friend does muay thai at a place and all the head coach ever wants to do is 1,2 round kick even when it's not on the curriculum.

>>76254002
Why are their heads so tough?

>>76254027
context matters, if you haven't trained for a few years yet then you will learn a lot of stuff by getting good at the basics in sparring. especially in muay thai/kickboxing you learn to apply distancing with that. speaking from experience, i started out mostly spamming low kicks and jabs.

>>76254026
mayweather knocked people out early in his career.

name one gym that only produces technical white fighters and blacksplosive ko artists

>>76254037
small brains

>>76254048
most american boxing gyms owned by boomers are like this, they think whiteboys should be civilized boxer-punchers while letting lil spotemgotem throw haymakers with their chin up and use their weight properly

pillowfisted twink vs dark skinned power puncher

>>76252871 (OP)
This isn't true at all and will depend on what physical qualities the athlete present.
Most niggas in boxing nowadays are all floyd wannabes being defensive point fagging counter trannies regardless if they have the reflexes and fight iq.
With whites since most of them in boxing are british, they tend to be a bit more aggressive than average, idk enough about boxing to make a judgement on white americans.

In kickboxing everyone fights aggressively and moves forward, anyone doing something different is actually rare but majority ate aggressive pressure fighters because dutch and japanese kickboxing comes from kyokushin which is all about running through the opponent with sheer force and technique and strategy are optional.

In muay Thai most non Thais are actually white and they tend to be very aggressive trying to overcome thai lifetime experience in the ring with power and aggression, usually works since thais are very small.

In mma it literally doesn't matter, the meta is wrestling and moving away as soon as the opponent throws anything, everyone regardless of their ethnicity fights exactly the same and the few pure strikers keep getting btfo by wrestlers no matter what they do.

This thread is a thinly veiled demoralization/n fetishization thread.

>>76254082
buakaw is of Kuy descent, its not fair because his muscle fibers are powered by 5000 year old jungle shamanism that buddhists have failed to defeat for 3000 years.

>>76254100
you didn't seem to get my point, probably because you don't fight which is fine, i'm trying to teach you something, not "demoralize" but you dont have to get it if you wont apply it anyway.
your misconception is that aggression equals power or powerpunching, i'm actually dutch and train kickboxing here, the dutch kickboxing style relies on volume punching or "combinations" which inherently takes away power from each punch in order to throw multiple in fast order, there are reasons for that, but it doesn't equal powerpunching, power punchers rarely throw more than 2 shot combos.
also regarding foreigners muay thai, people don't actually get as aggressive as you think nor are they as successful, because in muay thai rules the clinch nullifies punching, people still punch because foreigners always have a (dutch style) kickboxing background and to out-clinch the thais is not going to work.
if somebody runs into the problem i'm talking about they can study power punchers' fights and physical therapists or whatever explaining the kinetic chain in fighting.

>>76254082
>>76254101
He literally just lift weights and does explosive stuff in training, go to his channel, there's videos of him doing heavy landmine presses, resisted sprints and weight exercises.
Buakaw was so explosive and strong because he had a coach with a degree in sport science and used a lot of strength and explosive exercise that become common in combat sports until a few years ago.

>>76254100
>>76254121
if you want to see a good stylistic difference in what i'm saying, watch buakaw vs andy souwer fights, buakaw is precise and powerful muay thai stylist (although transitional to kickboxing), souwer is a volume puncher. buakaw knocks people out with single crosses, souwer relies on 4-6 hit combinations with livershots and breaking people down with the low kicks as a finisher everytime. buakaw hurts people with full power stabbing teeps and full power kicks timed at the right moment.

>>76252871 (OP)
Its the same will all forms of running. Trainers will teach white athletes to run like a black person. So they aren't taught to run properly for their body.

>>76254138
good point, i've seen that recently with white track and field athletes all of a sudden beating all the africans.

>>76254121
And you didn't get mine, every single thing you said is bullshit.
You are not a fighter, you're not dutch, you're not a woman, you might be a pillowfisted whitecel with a blacked porn addiction which explains this horrendous obsession with blacks you have.

>>76254145
whats bullshit about it? what do you even think i believe and why are you so mad?

>>76254138
>>76254143

>>76254002
>Mexican boys can take a lot of punishment
This explains the Latino femboy phenomenon

i only just realised all these faggots in this thread are seething because OP is making a case for blacks NOT having an inherent advantage in sports and backing it up with encyclopedic martial arts knowledge.
this site really IS overrun with resentful browns huh what the fuck.

>>76252871 (OP)
knock your coach out and he'll learn

>>76252871 (OP)
>Op has weak little punches and makes a thread about being ko'd some black bum
What a bitch lmao.

>>76254082
Imagine how little those punches hurt

>>76254004
I'm guessing this Soviet-style boxing works equally as well as the American style, or is it more effective?

>>76254381
fighting isn't about style vs style, styles loosely incorporate specific aspects of fighting but powerpunching is a universal aspect that has a place and should be involved in every style in fighting but gets severely neglected today.
even if you're a pointfighter who doesn't hit hard all the time, giving some hard shots once in a while will make your opponent more wary and pressured by your movement opening up many roads, you can't effectively feint if your opponent doesn't fear the actual attack.

>>76252967
he is too big for middleweight to small for lhw. only reason talk about him is that he is built like a body builder

>>76254404
Do powerpunchers generally fare better? Let's say we square a Soviet boxer, who incorporates that power-punching aspect you're underscoring the importance of, against an American-style technical boxer who doesn't. Is the Soviet boxer more likely to come out on top?

>>76254431
by my definition, yes, if you study beterbiev and golovkin, bivol, who apply consistent, powerful single shots rather than using speed, combined with their soviet origins.
many "technical fighters with knockout power" are using similar tactics and use the kinetic chain that has gone out of fashion in american boxing with a few exceptions.

>>76254477
going back to your original post, especially the way you opened it, does this manner of boxing more suit the biomechanics of whites?

>>76254545
yes, they don't understand the differences and think either only blacks can hit hard or "explosively" and don't understand what the difference looks like between the "dragging" impactful punches and explosive/fast barrages from longer reach boxers, they will see a white guy throw an evander holyfield style combination and conclude he has no power and this caucasian-suited style has been out of fashion in the west since the 40s atleast. they'll have a black guy with long reach throw haymakers and indirectly learn the kinetic chain naturally because they think the reach advantages make it okay.

>>76254569
this is also why a lot of blacks have no chin and get knocked out like a sack of rocks when they get tapped by a counter once btw, you rarely see them get rocked a few times beforehand.

>>76253844
If this is true why do asians use so much kicking when they have short legs and long arms

>>76254545
it has been mentioned before (i think) in the thread about fast twitch muscle fibers among blacks, a lot of whites have a weirder case where there is an almost equal amount of slow and fast twitch, which suits perfectly for the diesel engine analogy used, strong but not fast punches, but many and at a steady pace.
>>76254588
look at asian calf genetics and keep in mind asians have developed about every martial skill the west did aswell, lots of grappling.
also the feet are simply considered disrespectful in asian culture, similar to how westerners considered kicking to be a very unmanly thing to do but in the west there was a complicated gentleman/honour culture around this. you challenge a man to a gun saber or boxing duel but you wouldn't put your foot on him.

>>76254609
i forgot to mention, kicks were used in europe at various times in history, they are shown in rennaissance manuals for (various) swordfighting utilizing various stomps and front kicks (including the notorious kneestomp jon jones uses), and karate's kicks supposedly come from Savate (french boxing that included weird kicks with the boot)
martial arts don't progress linearly and a style like muay thai arises simply from a (very barebones) ruleset, possibly some fighters didn't want to keep getting elbowed so they resorted to kicking at distance and got successful.

>>76252871 (OP)
best fighting style for Indians sir?

>>76254637

>>76254588
asians dont have long arms, they have the shortest limbs of all people

>>76254569
But how did the Black American way of boxing win out to the point it became the default? Was it more extravagant to watch, which led to a more wholesale adoption as a sporting spectacle?

>>76254670
i'm not really sure what you're asking, blacks were overrepresented in boxing because boxing is a very low class sport and arose from british, and irish american culture, and the italian mafia, who all eventually integrated into normal middle class life quicker than blacks who didn't have civil rights yet. all the major boxing gyms with great knowledge and resources were irish and italian ones in places like the bronx and surrounding new york/east coast cities. for example cus d'amato was one with great understanding of biomechanics, just look at how mike tyson throws the cross that slips the counter-cross, he goes forward on it exploding from his weight. the old italian boxers had granite chins but some realized they could move their weight onto the other leg while tanking or slipping punches, to load it into a counter, see rocky marciano's signature punch for example.
european boxers got outclassed by americans in general until the soviet era, due to boxing being so much more popular and evolved overseas.

>>76254689
What if they invent some way to box without risk of head injury, and middle class americans or richfag euros can compete

>>76254689
Oh, I didn't realize the level of Black participation eventually outstripped the Whites. Thought the ratio was always relative to the overall US demographics. Now it makes sense why all this happened.

>>76254701
boxing without head injury is physically impossible.
thats not the reason anyway, and you have to be kind of low class/crazy to compete in this kind of sport anyway, its not for pussies.
i guess perhaps a VR boxing could be developed that also factors in punching power rather than just connecting, but people would probably still not see it as the "real" thing, and it mightbe easy to cheat in it.

>>76254749
some of these gyms specifically looked for troubled street kids sometimes, comparable to old muay thai camps adopting homeless kids.

>>76254637

>>76254776
I was in Central America recently and this ex-boxer told me he was basically trying to scout out local talent to train

>>76254785
there is even a lot of spying going on these days among top fighters, its very wild, they almost function like little armies.
i think one of ilia topuria's teammates was accused of doing this to one of those russian muslims fighters. he trained at their gym for a few months and then vanished to go back to his own, just to observe weaknesses and training.

>>76254770
>boxing without head injury is physically impossible.
Even with headgear and a mouthguard?

>>76254829
yes, and mouthguards occasionally fly out during fights.

>>76254835
Injuries with such safeguards surely can't be as severe as without them? Some people might want to learn the sweet science without necessarily becoming a prize fighter.

>>76254847
you're transferring force through somebody's head, it doesnt really matter. headgear mostly exists to prevent surface level injuries like cuts and bruises of the eye, broken nose (i think).
i hate sparring with them because it makes it harder to see.

>>76253041
because white people are cucks and willingly perpetuate it. they love talking about how explosive and athletic black people are while simultaneously writing themselves off and self relegating to technical point fighter styles out of nigger fear

>>76255509
WHITE GUYS MAKE UP 80 PERCENT OF THE ONLYFANS SIMP DEMOGRAPHIC.

>>76253083
thats the point though. guys like that are probably like 60% of the white population in martial arts. probably like 90% when it comes to BJJ/Grappling.

>>76253123
obviously nobody is going to do it publicly lest they want to be excommunicated from society

>>76254847
It's actually the opposite. Having less padding causes more surface damage, and has a higher risk of facial fractures, but does less concussive damage to the actual brain. The more padding you introduce, the more that force is going directly to rattling your brain inside of your skull. Footballfags already know this with how little their helmets do to prevent concussive injury and CTE.
The safest fighting you can do is bareknuckle if you can stomach getting your face disfigured.

>>76253174
>the ancient forbidden techniques
Lol, read a book sometimes, mutt.

I love how butthurt this thread is making the Americans btw.

>>76253123
>Has anyone ever called it out, I mean?
Often, in track and field. Those coaches get fired immediately usually, because of "racism". Because, why the fuck can't we try to train like the Jamaicans? Is it forbidden? Turns out it is.

t. German

PS read the german track and field forums sometimes.

>>76253109
>Has anybody ever made similar observations, or is it just you?
I think most people make the realization as soon as the are actually in the meatgrinder of pro sports. You're the odd one out if you don't. The question is rather whether you may talk officially about it. Privately, it's no big deal. Everyone knows.

>>76253157
>but there are no fighters who spontaneously became power punchers halfway into their career unless they hopped on PEDs.
Bernie Leonard, Rocky Marciano, shit even George Foreman all couldn't punch for shit when they started out.

There's a knack, or trick if you will, to power punching. Some people do it instinctvely, some learn it by themselves (especially when they are in some profession that required hitting stuff, like blacksmiths or woodcutters), some learn it from martial arts teachers.

Nowdays, most martial arts teachers are shit so if you don't have it naturally and can't learn it on your own, you're up shit creek without a paddle.

>>76253136
>If you just focus on power, no matter how mechanically optimal, you will hit nothing against a competent boxer
That's wrong. Look at Foreman, Marciano, Fedor, Ngannou etc.
All technically deficient from a striking point of view
All world champions

>>76253174
They're not that ancient and not forbidden but otherwise, yeah.

>>76253180
>low explosive power
Because you trained incorrectly.
Your racial comrade Igor Vovchanchyn claims he got his knockout power from track and field training in his youth. He is likely correct.

>>76256343
that guy is just utterly clueless about what goes on in boxing lessons in general, fighting for ring space and cutting off the ring etc. is something you'll learn about as a 6 months< beginner.
people are rejecting the controversy in this thread because they know fuck all about fighting and how its taught. incorporating powershots in a "safe" amateur style that utilizes defence and footwork should be easy but has died out in lessons. when i ask for some tips on close angles so i can hit behind the guard they will give me some defensive shit sidestepping to go backwards instead. a guy like golovkin learned forward momentum to hit power crosses and stiff jabs while his opponent puts his weight on his backfoot due to reactions to feints they don't teach this anywhere except these rare gyms of mexicans and russians, really old american traditions etc.

>>76256052
>can't we try to train like the Jamaicans? Is it forbidden? Turns out it is.
WTF, am I reading you right, or did you just basically say there is indeed an optimal way for whites to run vs. how blacks run?

>>76256337
>most martial arts teachers are shit
I'm guessing you'd have to go to some very old, nigh geriatric teachers to learn the real stuff.

>>76254026
Don't forget Joe Frazier

>>76255552
If only humans had tongues like woodpeckers, then we could sock each other to our hearts' content.

>>76256349
>run accross country
>get punching power
da fuck whytee on

>>76257120
track and field sports have almost pure explosiveness training, my god people on this shit board are clueless these days. its like if /g/ suddenly forgot what the volume button on a PC does.

>>76256984
You seem quite knowledgeable on the finer points of pugilism. Are there any resources where I can learn about these lost fundamentals? I believe someone above mentioned a book by Jack Dempsey. What would you recommend?

>>76256052
I've noticed that while blacks dominate both the sprints and long-distance races, the middle-distance races seem to be split down the middle as to who can win. Why is this?

>>76257135
if i knew i would tell you, i'm trying to find out myself, i feel like there are very few combat sports coaches/trainers that take their job so seriously that they are capable of teaching individuals. there are a handful of top coaches in combat sports that basically created multiple world champions and legends.
jack dempsey's book is mostly iconic because it still looks like contemporary boxing routines and basic knowledge, but i haven't fully dived deep into some of his concepts, though i remember in the book he complains about boxing gyms at the time (1950) gyms were misunderstanding or not teaching certain things anymore.
i think some of the really hard punching 70s guys were trained by coaches that were trained by coaches from before the "sports boxing" days still.
i'm also not a boxer, i do muay thai, i once went to a boxing gym as a teenager and the coach on day one wanted me to step with every punch because i was a skinny manlet at the time. muay thai has a lot of concepts of weight manipulation due to clinching and fighting within it, clinching was also a lot more relevant in boxing until the modern era, look at roberto duran for example.

>>76257180
Maybe start perusing old boxing books from that time period and even further back. It could be that an obscure author wrote a banger that's been completely forgotten.

>>76257180
You are correct. Read "The Arc of Boxing" it exlains many things and for God's sake, we gotta leave this place filled with brainlets.

>>76257161
The obvious answer is doping. Countries dominating have basically no doping control, and this is well-known, even our MSM had documentaries about doping abuse in East African runners.

But the training is also very different. Nobody ever oes into detail about this, but Charlie Francis' site has some stuff. It is as OP says, white people are trained differently from and worse than anyone else in many disciplines. We even had some threads on here about white vs black sprint technique.

>>76254026
Blacks are traditionally big on dodging and defense, correct. The myth of the black power puncher is expertemely recent. What was this shit called again? Black Code, I think, iirc. It's a system of boxing training and fighting that was developed to deal with white power punchers so as to not be injured and knocked silly all the time. On of those weird American things that sound like secret society but it's really just what OP said - races are trained differently for some reason.

>>76253300
Holy kek, how are capoeiratards even supposed to recover from this?

Since this thread is about combat sports ill just ask this here:

Im gonna move to a new city soon and i want to get get into combat sports for the purposes of fun primarily but also to be able to fuck someone up if i need to.

Im looking at two gyms. gym 1 would offer bjj and muay thai and gym 2 has bjj, wrestling, boxing, muay thai and an mma class once a week.
both gyms offer every sport at least two times a week, so i could fill my schedule with both of them.

im leaning towards gym 2 because of the 1 year of boxing and wrestling meme and because i dont see all the focus bjj puts on being on the ground entangled going well in a streetfight.

gym 1 is cheaper though.

previous experience is some hema (little sparring), some judo adjacent self defense stuff (no sparring except for some grappling) and mcdojo as a kid

im 32 yo, white, 6'5 and about 190 lbs in case that matters.

can any anons with experience weigh in on this?

ill visit both of the gyms before signing up, but if theres anything specific to watch out for id love to hear it.

>>76254082
>I am faster therefore I w-AAAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>76257924
unless you really want to compete and be good at competing it doesn't matter much, even then the feeling of the gym might impact how well you learn. class schedules can change often and a lot sometimes and don't signify much i think.

>>76253180
Like every slavfag nowadays just wrestle bro

People in this thread are way off. The hardest most explosive punchers in boxing are black. Whites have the highest ring IQ and the best stamina. Mexicans usually have insane chins and hand speed.

>>76258233
.t idiotic boomer boxing trainer with cuck fantasies

>>76258598
Stop speaking of yourself in third person op.

>>76258668
t. idiotic boomer boxing trainer with cuck fantasies

>>76253332
t. idiotic boomer boxing trainer with cuck fantasies

>>76253326
Bro, not only are you dumb, you don't know shit and you can't even read. Stop posting.

>>76252871 (OP)
>Op says nonwhite coaches often mistrain white people because they think they can't have knockout power so white people interested in boxing should be wary of that
>Everyone in the threads spergs out and characterizes op as some vile racist
Geez when did fit become such pussy faggots

>>76252901
Your superior Latinx genes and culture means you're already a peak fighter. No need to train.

>>76253734
The only I noticed named ITT was Championship Fighting Explosive Punching and Aggressive Defense by Jack Dempsey

>>76252948
>he doesn't post body
opinion discarded

> The absolute state of white people in 2025
It's truelly the end of western civilisation. Good. No more kikery

>>76252948
> Did not post body

*ahem* All niggers, Arabs and other undesirables will continue to get their asses blasted in and outside the ring by white people.

Op is a retarded pillowfisted faggot with a blacked porn addiction, not a single thing he has said had any merit or basis in reality.
No coach in a single combat sport teaches styles differently based on the practitioner race, you'd have a very hard time finding a coach capable of teaching more than one fighting style, every coach has their preferred fighting style that they will teach to all students regardless if they are white, black, asian or mexican.
Fighters that hit hard are able to do it partly because of genetics but mostly because they have athletism for either playing sports when younger or they did hard labor jobs.
The kinetic chain is not the secret for power, every boxer is a master of the kinetic chain but the fighters that hit particularly harder use weight shifting, harder leg drive by pushing with their rear leg and holding their stance with their front leg firmly against the ground, elastic recoil of the chest and higher rotation of the shoulders, all of these are far more important for hitting hard than the kinetic chain, if you try any of these without caring about muh kinetic chain you will find each one of these individually produce similar power to hitting with good kinetic chain and if you combine them you will have much more power, which to be fair was more common in the past than today, this is the only thing op is right about, coaches nowadays don't know about these.

Blacks are not teached to be power punchers and whites are ignored in any way it is the upbringing of each practitioner that has a far more important role in determining if someone hits hard or not.

The Soviet style is not universal in all of russia, the soviet style is a point fagging system that revolves around the pendulum step, very similar to point karate but because of the pendulum step, the soviet style isn't good for power production because the constant bounce don't let you push hard enough from the floor.

>>76261082
Modern Russian fighting style is a boxer puncher style , is more similar to Mexican style because they like to pressure staying in front of the opponent, cut the ring but unlike Mexicans they pick their shots better and land heavy shots better.
Golovkin and arthur fight with this style and their style is nothing like bivol who is pretty much the only Russian with a soviet style.
Lomachenko fights more like a cuban using a lot of pivots and side steps to create angles and although the cuban style was developed by bringing soviet coaches to train cubans, their style os still different, soviet style likes to move back and forth and cuban style prefers side to side.
You will not find many Russians with similar styles much less similar to bivol.

Dutch kickboxing prioritize combinations and aggression, not power.

Thinking that coaches segregate their students fighting styles by race is terminally online behavior, you see black fighters that happen to hit hard and whites that happen to not hit hard and think this is some kind of psyop or conspiracy by coaches.
Op might have some training but he is the kind of subhuman retard that trains for a couple months, watches some jewtub videos about topics their coach don't teach and think he is a fighting expert, he might have been knocked out by some black in his gym and got an inferiority/cuck complex which is why he thinks coaches favor blacks and teach them to hit hard even though he also said power punching fell out of favor in the 40 and they don't teach it anymore but they totally teach it to only blacks, retard doesn't even realize he is contradicting himself.

Anyway tldr op is a retard white boy cuck that just watched some couple of videos on jewchud and he thinks he is the white race messiah because some nigga knocked him out in sparring.
It took 2 whole posts to debunk this subhuman retardness.

>>76261082
>>76261087
literally everything you just posted has been addressed by OP in the thread, you literally said nothing except in disagreement "coaches dont do that" i really wonder why you seethe so much you post 6 paragraphs while necroing a thread.

>>76261082
>>76261087
>>76261112
i can tell you never trained a martial art in your life btw and you are projecting hard with the youtube statement because you think you understand all these "styles" but don't understand how every fighter individually applies a style and how every style is modulated. i also never said soviet boxing hits harder, i actually said the opposite. i said soviet boxing used scientific research to find out how to punch harder, not that they based their style on it. if only you actually trained instead of being a spergy niglet on 4cuck, you'd understand you can be "mexican style boxer" with no power, or a "soviet style" boxer with power. also lmao again with the "cut off the ring" bullshit, ringwork is universally applied you dyel fightlet.

>>76261127
>Im a fighter im a fighter

>>76261082
not a single trainer in any gym of any martial art is going to teach a lanky tall guy and a stumpy manlet the same style unless he wants to have a 95% lose ratio and never have his fighters hit a thing. there are no "pressure fighter gyms" or "out-boxer gyms", not even in muay thai will you find gyms that solely have clinchers or kickers.
most fighting is about applying 4-5 universal concepts of distancing and pressure, energy management, ringcontrol, and stuff like knockout angling or defense angling is specialisation that applies differently to different styles but can be incorporated by any style. but you have to WANT to incorporate specifically knockout/damaging angling and footwork + heavy hitting technique to actually understand it and apply it to different fighters.
>>76261184
you literally quoted me word for word as an infodump like it was an own, and not backing up my arguments, without realising i am the one who made those posts. you dont even seem to realise what you're arguing about, the reading comprehension on this site is so fucking bad these days, theres no doubt you probably are an actual nigger.

>>76261190
Half the thread is you making retarded cuck fanfiction and the other half is mocking you for it.

>>76261197
how is me saying blacks are not inherently superior "cuck fanfiction"?
you didn't pass the mirror test until you were 12 years old, right?

>>76261197
unironically what upsets you about the OP post?

>>76261200
You literally think coaches teach whites differently from blacks.
>almost ALL trainers will push you to be a pillowfisted technical fighter just because you aren't black,
Literally your word in the op, you have an inferiority complex that causes you to believe nonsense that simply doesn't happen.
You're just a weak little cuck that thinks everyone is against you and sabotaging you intentionally in favor of someone else, like every cuck you blame someone else for your inferiority.
You may not say that blacks are inherently superior but you are saying whites are inferior because coaches train blacks and white differently, that's cuck behavior.

>>76252948
>they always forget something.
Yeah traumatic brain injuries tend to do that to a motherfucker.

So what caused op obsession for blacks? Porn addiction or a nigga knock him out?

>>76253150
Yeah as an American, the entirety of the West is basically just coasting on fumes at this point, and a formerly solid foundation laid by (now dead) old white men. The future is bleak.

>>76261216
you are making an awful lot of weird assumptions and backwards logic, the point is trainers think this way, not me.
>>76261233
do you mean martial arts trainers obsession? i'm the one calling it out.

>>76261216
could it be that you're projecting embarassingly hard here?

>>76261087
>you see black fighters that happen to hit hard and whites that happen to not hit hard and think this is some kind of psyop or conspiracy by coaches.
LMAO this actually confirmed you are a malding nig who couldn't handle the idea that you AREN'T superior

>>76261190
>there are no "pressure fighter gyms" or "out-boxer gyms", not even in muay thai will you find gyms that solely have clinchers or kickers.
>Mexican coaches will not teach mexican style to a nigga because they just won't
>Eddie reynoso doesn't force every fighter to fight exactly the same as canelo even though both ryan garcia and that fat hw that knocked out joshua said he does.
>Floyd Mayweather gym doesn't teach everyone to be a philly shelf outboxer
>Muay thai jocky gym doesn't produce nothing but technical fighters while buakaw gym doesn't produce nothing but pressure style fighters.
>Aka doesn't produce nothing but wrestlers while trevor Whitman doesn't focus on boxing for mma
>I totally know what im talking about guyz, I train kickboxing I swear.

>>76261263
kek all of this is so meaningless, unsubstantial or even false and you are hitting your ape skull against your keyboard hardly understanding how to greentext anymore, poor little blk boy.

>>76261250
>the point is trainers think this way, not me.
No, you think they think this way and it's either because you are pathetically weak, some nigga knock you out and you blame your coaches for it or you have a porn addiction.
Which is it.

>>76261263
besides simply stepping into the nearest boxing gym proving you wrong, since style is something you don't pick. it has been mentioned in the thread there are guys like muangthai in saenchai's gym, all the dutch kickboxers in mejiro gym were completely different, etc.
the point is about teaching individualized knockout-angling and proper powerpunching mechanics. next thing you're gonna post more chatgpt cancer about what defines a style to suit your non-points.

>>76261252
>>76261258
>almost ALL trainers will push you to be a pillowfisted technical fighter just because you aren't black,

>>76261286
>you are pathetically weak, some nigga knock you out and you blame your coaches for it or you have a porn addiction.
i've literally never stated this and this is what you make up because you felt personally insulted by my implication that niggers like you aren't harder hitters which they aren't.

>>76261294
what do you think that sentence means?

nigger fragility is really bad these days since buck breaking has annihilated black masculinity.
i dont think it will be long before most blk boys troon out and just start accepting their natural position in the hierarchy.

>>76261287
What happens if i step into any gym is that they will teach every student there the same style and if i go to another gym they will teach everyone there the same style that said gym prefers.
You're saying that if i go a gym with a Mexican style, someone there that might no be Mexican will be teached something else and if i go to Floyd gym they won't teach out boxing to someone that isn't black.
That's not how it works nigga, someone might have different things they add to the style they learn but a gym will teach the same thing to everyone and if someone is more capable is because of external factors, not because the coach favors them.

>>76261295
Oh you don't have to, saying that coaches teach whites to be pillowfisted tells me everything i need to know about you.

>>76261298
See >>76261286

>>76261317
>t. clueless
styles dont work that way, teaching is individualized, you dont go around telling the whole class to make the same adjustments.

>>76261323
what do you think the sentence means?

>>76261323
>nigger proves he's incapable of placing himself in a 2nd person's perspective and context
can't make this shit up.

>>76253232
The non conspiratorial answer is that the professional game changed to an attributes basis that more or less forces technicality at the higher levels thanks in large part to that Mohammad Ali negro, and all the gyms assumed that they should be training their average joes as if they were going to be prizefighters stepping into the ring with those elite negros that have been brutally selected for their kinestetic abilities.
The redpilled answer is, however, that you know who's are behind this too.

>>76261478
depending on martial art, its kind of the opposite.
amateurs are much more about looking unharmed and applying volume to score points and looking pressuring vs pressured. pro fights demand a show, but the amateurs have basically created a mass of amateur-fighting.

>>76253291
Wow tom myers doesn't fuck around, the bong hit teansplant augmentations must be in full force here.
Eastern bloc technique is overly emphasizing and almost robotic in their shoulder rotation as seen here and this was thought deliberately to match the innate athleticism of the amerimutt negro boxer. And it worked just fine

>>76253291
Speaking of the shoulder rotation, check out the technical demonstration here with translated captions and see how he yanks his other shoulder back to throw the shot, all the ball of the foot thing is just there to accomodate that great whirl (that Dempsey himself talks about as well) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS8xQ2_aAi8

>>76261445
>you dont go around telling the whole class to make the same adjustments.
https://youtube.com/shorts/_Z1kjS0OeJI?si=jKAD6m36kMq1Eq0E
https://youtu.be/fSg8D_gajq8?si=Vh1pvbKJdf7S4YHM
https://youtu.be/JNB3ZAwRyZg?si=twZ-Z_T5Lf-aObsz
https://youtu.be/kFqKIdhH5to?si=zK37LZPdv1mQY3l8
https://youtube.com/shorts/Oh8PEbHUsCU?si=BJLOEnys8-XwnVem

>op so deep in his porn addiction that he thinks the entire white race is pillowfisted because that's just how every coach trains white people
>It isn't that he sucks and is weak, the entire white race must be under attack because he lost to some nigga in sparring
>He equates his own failures to the entire white race
Not even in gif there are whites this cucked.

>>76254043
Timing and positioning can make knockout artists out of pillowfists

>>76261512
these aren't styles. styles are not taught in a class. "slip and throw a jab" is not a style.

>>76261522
nobody said any of these things in this thread blk boi

>>76261503
there is no translation on this video

>>76255513
Likely because they happen to have a)money to spend and b)the knowledge and ability necessary to operate machinery that accesses the internet

>>76261534
>Everyone is taught differently
>No those guys being taught the same way doesn't count.

>>76261583
going to a class and getting "today we're going to work on defence so lets slip and roll hooks for an hour" has nothing to do with developing a style, sometimes i get to practice teeps and knees for a lesson but i never utilize those in my style. developing a style comes from sparring and fighting over the years and getting decent feedback from people and trainers cornering you.

doing a certain piano roll exercise doesn't mean i exclusively play songs with those notes.

Nothing sadder than a white with inferiority complex.
Imagine believing all the nonsense this retard is spewing.
>Whites, good news you aren't inferior because of your genetics, you're just inferior because coaches train you wrong in purpose
Great self own retard, doesn't even realize that he is implying that a whole race is inferior to another and then wonders why people think he is a cuck.

>>76261548
Strange, because I just watched it with auto translated captions.

>>76261586
Oooooh i see, so it's just that you don't use what your coach teaches you.
Now it all makes sense, it's not that you are a cuck or have a complex about your race, is just that you're a retard that can't follow instructions.
Got it, i judged you poorly, my bad.

Mayo monkeys on this site are weirdly obsessed with black people and it’s creepy. Internal cuckoldry perhaps.

>ok anon throw a 1-2
>No no, like this
>*Throws it a different way*
>No anon look like this
>*Does it wrong again*
>*Sigh* ok let's try again
>*Anon finally gets the 1-2 right*
>YES ANON EXCELLENT NOW DO IT AGAINST HIM
>*Anon doesn't use it because it's not his "style"
>Coach spends more time with students that actually listen and anon gets jealous
>Coach gives other students advice that they use to beat anon with
>Anon goes to 4chan to cry about coach negligence
Now it all makes sense.

>>76256052
>PS read the german track and field forums sometimes.
Now I'm intrigued, can you post a couple of links to threads talking about these Topics?

>>76261598
no you're a retard who doesn't understand the concept of basic technique drills vs developing a style through actual application of said techniques. you learn how to throw a jab cross hook uppercut body shot and how to block and slip and roll within a few months, how you use all of it is a completely different story. please do a sport once in your life.

>>76261598
>my boxing style? throwing punches and dodging and blocking them.
you are one stupid motherfucker

>>76261605
drills =/= sparring and fighting
boxing is ultimately not about who throws the more correct form and thats why every single gym spars and trainers will give feedback to fighters as they're doing it, which is going to sound different for everybody.

>months
YEP the theory about not following instructions is confirmed.

>>76261632
post a webm of you throwing a 5-6 combination with a livershot please.
mr "look at these classes doing drills, they are teaching a style".

>>76261632
the other day i saw superlek throwing 15 kicks in a row on pads but he never did that in a fight, i wonder why his coach didnt just kick him out for disobedience.

>noooo i keep losing because my coach teaches me wrong, it's not my ability to follow instructions or fight iq, is that my coach has it against me for being whit-ACK.

>>76261637
Tell you what, I'll do it if you deliver first >>76252933

>>76261645
now i'm scared, you sound pretty sure that you got a massive fight iq from doing jab cross partner drills.

>didn't post body
Yeah that's what i thought