I don't get it. Whenever I read about the lives of people in the past, they sound like super-humans. Modern humans wouldn't last through most of the things many people in the past had to deal with.

Does anyone here try to live more like their ancestors so they can be at peak performance? What's the secret?

>>76262212 (OP)
The term is post industrial syndrome.
>ancestral living
not even close, it's simply that your grandfather worked more regularly and therefore was tougher than you are.

This is quantifiable, it's not subjective.
Most people three generations from industrial living become soft and weird looking.

>>76262216
Is there a way to counteract this 'syndrome'? What is there to know?

>>76262238
NTA but
>breathe lots of fresh air (especially through your nose)
>properly chew and swallow tougher foods
>be active in something that provides enough physical resistance
>get enough volume of walking barefoot (or at least in footwear that doesn't scrunch up your toes)

>>76262212 (OP)
Neolithic revolution was a mistake

>>76262238
Well just a few things
>walk daily
Your ancestors didn't do le may may squats, hell your grandpa probably didn't do that either.
They both probably walked a fuck ton though.

Notice how many people on here shill against rucking on this website? despite the fact rucking is 100% what your "ancestors" did and rucking is also probably something your grandfathers did.
Since a lot of those people didn't have vehicles 80 years ago. You would load things up unironically on your back and ruck from place to place.

Eating well, which means no meme diets.
>carnivore
>vegan
bullshit
your grandfather probably ate eggs, and soups.
because that's what people in industrial/pre-industrial did. They had joints stronger than you did because their diets supported stronger joints.
Joint strength is exponential to muscle strength.

There are probably thousands of things that made the difference between industrial and post-industrial.
I can't tell you all of them.
It's like I said.

Quantifiable, we can visibly see through each generation once a family goes post-industrial that the children become weaker.

The past is littered with those who didnt rise to the occasion. You just dont hear about those.

>>76262212 (OP)
Why does it seemingly require you to be covered in mud and shit?

>>76262212 (OP)
>Modern humans wouldn't last through most of the things many people in the past had to deal with.
And people in the past desperately didn't want to deal with those things and sought out technologies so that future generations didn't have to deal with it. They knew it sucked and wanted it to not be a problem in the future.
>Does anyone here try to live more like their ancestors so they can be at peak performance?
I don't try to live like an "ancestor," but I avoid capitalist consumerism whenever I can. I do a lot of things the old fashioned way simply because I don't want to have dozens of gadgets for every oddball specific thing. For example I make coffee with a sauce pan and a sieve, and use a large mortar and pestle instead of a food processor.

>>76262212 (OP)
>What's the secret?
Not buying into a Nigerian prince scam (Christianity) and following the rules that everyone gets a husband/wife and has kids and puts up with everything without fighting. No selection: Useless genes flood population.

>>76262315
For good reason, they didnt deserve to live, as with 90% of the human population
Literally everything on the planet has things that keep its population in check, and when narure is in balance only the best earn their right to life

>>76262212 (OP)
Learn your genetic history, learn where you come from, try to structure a diet around things ypur ancestors ate, for example if youre european then consuming raw dairy is great. Move to and live in climates that your ancestors lived in, for example Im anglo, so my ancestral knowledge activates in wet and cloudy climates, among other things.
So much of the modern world ia designed to seperate you from the intuition of nature and where you come from, but all of us of every race can regain our roots with a little effort and rejection of modern vice.
Race mixing is evil. Hybrid vigor is an absolute myth, everyone knows pure breeds are superior. Whether your black, white, asian, red, whatever, you owe it to yourself your ancestors and your descendants to preserve the things that mske you special.
Good luck bros.

>>76262212 (OP)
>I don't get it. Whenever I read about the lives of people in the past, they sound like super-humans. Modern humans wouldn't last through most of the things many people in the past had to deal with.
_most_ modern humans, same as _most_ past people didn't either.

you understand what lower lifepsan, and lower average lifespan, equates to, right?

I've been using this mace bell for my workouts.

https://a.co/d/1kpH5BI

I wanted to tap into my ancestral dna and swing a mace around. It's a killer shoulder workout. I also play viking music when Im swinging it too. Pretend im in battle. Shits fun.

>>76262350
This is according only to one limited scientific perspective. Our bodies are amazingly well designed if youre not a retard, and pre agriculture there is evidence to suggest that people lived not only longer lives but healthier lives. Sedantary lifesyles breed disease and helplessness. By combining our knowledge of today with ancestral lovinf we can live far better lives then we do now.
People are even more unhealthy now then ever before, they just have more stimulants and drugs and surgeries to give them the illusion of stability.
Sure people died more to animals and shit like that, but those that lived were objectivelt more awesome then everyone on this board combined.
If 7 Billion People died next year, those of us that survive would live better lives, thats just nature bro. Fuck India and China

>>76262339
You're not even white

>>76262355
>I've been using this mace bell for my workouts.
So you're Indian?

>>76262238
not really
before industrial times a lot of people would die before reaching adulthood due to not being handle all the life difficulties of that time
as the living conditions got better, weaker people stopped being filtered out and you're quite likely to be their offspring
just enjoy the triumph over the nature, it's always better to not be culled

>how many times...

>>76262212 (OP)
Anyone who uses the term ancestor should be disregarded immediately. The entire ancestral movement is people who are unhappy projecting themselves back into an ahistorical time that has been made up by the YouTube diet book salesman. This is why you see the emergence of hypermasculine things like eating only meat diets or eating raw meat. It's because these unhappy people go from one extreme to the other in order to self-identify with something that is going to make them feel better about themselves. Its ts also why people who engage in these practices get viscerally upset and using insulting and hyperbolic language when people dont follow the same lifestyle

One cough from you would wipe out their village retard and No disease they carry would even affect you

>>76262212 (OP)
>Does anyone here try to live more like their ancestors so they can be at peak performance?
Yeah that guy is definitely going to be posting on /fit/.

>>76262302
this, nomad hunter gatherest were less violent, more fit and most likely more intelligent

>>76262348
>they didnt deserve to live
so every single one of your ancestors didn't deserve to live either then, right? they're all dead so i guess they didn't earn it.
> try to structure a diet around things ypur ancestors ate, for example if youre european then consuming raw dairy is great.
how far back are you supposed to go? wouldn't a lot of our ancestors be single celled organisms, so we should eat what they ate? or just go back like 5000 years or something, so we should drink a lot of mead and ale instead of just water or whatever? but then isn't heavy alcohol consumption a health risk?
>So much of the modern world ia designed to seperate you from the intuition of nature and where you come from
like what?
>Hybrid vigor is an absolute myth, everyone knows pure breeds are superior.
can you give an example of this too? where are you drawing the line between "pure" and "hybrid?" for example, an eastern european person would have different genetic markers than a western european person. a uyghur would look way different than a han chinese person... yet they're both asian. i think you're mixing up social science and racism with biology

>>76262315
Literally has nothing to do with survivorship bias...

Regardless, we excavate and learn about dead people from the past all the fucking time.

>>76264386
>Whenever I read about the lives of people in the past, they sound like super-humans
in this phrase, OP seems to be referring to humans in the past who went through extreme hardship (and survived) or who accomplished things that would seem very difficult. E.g.:

>BRO ACHILLES KILLED 500 TROJANS THAT'S SO SICK.
so the survivorship bias in this case is favoring achilles. OP would assume that all people born in the time of achilles were superhuman warriors who could fight in hand to hand combat for hours on end... yet he's neglecting the 500 trojans who were slaughtered by achilles, the average majority who did not survive.

>>76264386
>survivorship bias
that actually is real.
families regularly had 4 children and in some cases quite a few more because it was almost assured that half your children were going to die at any given generation.

>>76262977
Every culture pre industrial and pre agricture respected their ancestors, because they quite literally express themselves in you genetics. It is a connection to your roots, and subsequently a connection to nature and God. No one can be perfect and we've lost a lot of knowledge with the destruction of culture, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt learn where we come from and what we can learn from those who came before us. Their challenges will give us insight into our own, and our ignorance of them will become an ignorance of self. Deny genetics and race, and you deny reality and your own existence.
Just think, with your mentality, the children of tomorrow wont have any knowledge of history.

>>76265181
You addressed nothing I said

>>76263030
Pre agriculture peoples could cough on us and kill us all, they were stronger by not living sedantary lifestyles.

>>76263045
I and others make threads about genetics and ancestral diets, but the roid cucks and kikes shit all over it with "scienceTM"

>>76264358
They had their time in the sun, everything dies anon... Who wants to live forever. But during the time that they were alive, they earned it, they werent fat, they were healthy, and their lives werent handed to them by machines and synthetic means.
Your next argument is absurd, clearly you dont want to addres the issue
>You know technically we share DNA with trees, should we just stand in the sun and drink water all day?
You clearly gauge this by what your body reacts best to in the long run, people get sick from raw milk from lack of exposure, but they are healthier those that drink it and survive them somebody who doesnt drink it, because they arent pussies.
Ancestral knowledge is a connection to the world, a spiritual condition that defies your modern science in its quest for quactification and subjegation of all things. Ancestral knowledge is a feeling of beijg connects to the world, to your volk, your roots, an awareness of diet and what your body reacts to and how to better confront your health through holistic methods. Even the very way you move your body can be tied to your genetics, such as gypsies who are naturally inclined to acrobatics, or Anglos who warm up quickly after getting wet, or africans who can absord sunlight, everything that you are is determined by your ancestors without exception, and hiding yourself in modern modes of behaviour is why mental illness and disease are on the rise. Its not racism to say that were all different and that we have different strengths, denying that fact in favor of some homogenized human expression is racism, and also moronic.
Clearly there are different kinds of asian, just as with whites and blacks and the american groups

>>76264358
Another example is some of the himlyayan asian groups whose bodies are made for high altitudes, or the Eskimos who can handle the cold even better than Euros can.
There is no hate in saying that we have strengths, but understand that extreme race mixing is as much of an extreme as incest, as two groups from opposite sides of the world fusing will result in more deleterious traits then the groups who are already very similiar genetically.
Historically, race mixing only occured gradually between two groups that were very near to eachother both geographically and genetically, and even among rare groups such as the Eastern euros having asian DNA, that assimilation took time to manifest in the healthiest way.
Take mutts for example, every dog breeder knows they have issues with hip dysplasia, nasal cavity malformity, organ problems, heart problems, and even intelligence. Yes pure breeds have this problem too, but that is due to retarded breeders enacting selective breeding, and not keeping that species gene people wide enough to be sustainable. Such as dalmations who were once an excellent breed, but because retarded breeders chose dalmations that were basicslly siblings to breed with eachother they suffered decline.
The truth is in the middle, and if you simply forget who you are or where you come from in favor of some transhumanist experiential homogenization, you will condemn your future children to a hell worse then anything.
If you are already of mixed race, you can respect both your ancestors by trying to preserve all of their history, and reassimilate your genetics into a single group, that way your children might have a sense of identity devoid of modern corporate units of identity.
If you dont believe me and just want to be a combative cunt, I invite you to look around at all the modern disease in this world of ours and try to tell me again how were making "progress"
Your quixotic delusions are not based in the reality of the entire human history.

>>76262348
Over for me, I'm a racemixed spic

>>76264440
No, hes saying you dont get men like Achilles anymore because you dont trim the fat off the species.
Id take King Leonidas over 500 men, because he was a lot cooler then the rest.
Humans need to die in order for us to be great, you cannot dent that we are sacrificing quality for quantity.

>>76264455
Good, thats nature. Literally every other animal suffers this problem, and its a good thing. When an animal is overpopulated nature gets thrown out of balance.
I care more for the 50 million animals the department of agriculture kills on a yearly basis then 8 billion humans, becauce without those animals preserving the balance our lives would be shit.

>>76265202
I dont disagree that there are internet grifters, but they exist for everything, and do nothing to negate the argument. Wgat Im saying is that people are pursuing history and trying to find out about where they come from, because it is in fact a healthy behaviour. You historical illiteracy and spiritual apathy is not just cause to forgo the way humans have behaved for countless generations, and where youd say that those who respect their ancestors are somehow immature or insecure for doing so, as if that negates the virtue of what they were trying to achieve, Id say you are just as immature and delusional to assume that the past 100 years of modern industrial living is somehow more salubrious then countless thousands of years of trail and error.
Your perspective is only granted by the temporary security of modernity, but when things crash and nature returns you wont have that luxury anymore.
Even if you manage to maintain this global scientism into the future, the life you are condemning yourself and your children to is far more inhuman then anything our ancestors suffered through.
They at least have earned the right to be called men.

>>76265234
It aint over bro. Find who speaks to you the most, what voice calls to you in your blood the loudest, thats where you need to be.
The virtue of men like you is that you will understand the value of preservation, and you can instill respect into all cultures without having to assimilate/homogenize them.
Were all gonna make it bro. So make em proud.

>>76265257
>Good, thats nature

Yeah except for the fact that you'd be one of those dead kids also statistically.

>>76262212 (OP)
It's not about lifestyle, it's genetic. You distant ancestors never had a parent with a dominant genetic infirmity because they all died young, so only recessive infirmities passed forward.
Then in the last few thousand years it started getting easier to survive and reproduce, so the recessive traits crept back in to being dominant.
There is no way you can fix it for yourself. If you have no notable defects you can make things better for your distant descendants by never having children with anyone with notable defects. If you do have notable defects you can improve the general health of humanity in general by never having children.

>>76262212 (OP)
Their secret weapon is replacability & survivorship bias.

>>76265274
When I got bit by a dog I didnt get a Rabbis shot. I was raised on Raw Milk. I do not filter my water when Im out hiking snd come along a water source. I have not had a vaccine or any kind of shot since the age of 6.
I practice what I preach, and if any of my behaviours kill me, I fully accept the consequences of those actions.
Now the trade off: I almost never get sick, Im one of the only people I grew up with that isnt fat or unhealthy, I heal and recover quickly, and I feel great.
You can blame genetics or survivorship bias, but if the issue is one of prudence and accountability, then I think that refusing to confront the challenges of nature and delegating your health to third parties and "Authorities on Health" shows a greater lack of accountability then anything I do.
I don't live in fear, because I accept death, and while people might die faster under this mentality, I promise you you will have lived more in a short 30 years living this way, then you would have living to 100 and constantly being hooked up the doctors appointments and machines.
What kind of life do you really want to live man?

>>76265316
See this is why your dad should have had another kid.
You ended up with an extra chromosome that gave you super powers.

Because I mean this very seriously
>I have lived more in 30 years
you don't know me dude.
that's exactly the kind of shit beta males say when they are trying to impress people online.

>>76265324
I sure dont know you, maybe Im wrong, but if the question is whether you live unafraid and simply act out of a desire to grow strong, or you act in fear and feel the need to justify your existence to strangers online, I think we're both guilty of both behviours.
I entered this thread to hopefully talk to other people who might have had experiences that would help me live a more fulfilling and healthy life, and how I define that is irrelevant to you.
But if you have truly had experiences that would be insightful for me, then I invite you to enlighten me, and in the mean time Im going to share my own experience.
Genetically, my dad died young from not taking care of his health, heart problems, and all the elders in my family are riddled in disease. Those of us who are doing well are not healthy simply because of our genetics or our age, that is simply coping done by beta males. I and others are healthy because we do healthy things, which included challenging our system to withstand greater attacks then others.

Why do the same people who claim "survival of the fittest" worship hunter gatherers, who are by far the biggest losers of history? They were basically wiped out by farmers and pastoralists, and the only existing hunter-gatherer tribes today live on marginal, unproductive lands.

>>76265361
>hurrr durrrr I'm a loser faggot who knows nothing about anything hurrr durrrr
Everyone with 2 braincells knows that agriculture brought with it a lot of problems - millions died of starvation and disease. Hunter gatherers meanwhile lived in pristine health.

You're so fucking dumb.

>>76265361
its the fate of everything cool to go extinct and everything boring and mundane to survive

>>76265316
water filters for hikers are very cheap these days. i'm pretty hardcore but i would never drink from any natural water source without treating it somehow first.

>>76265344
I don't know you tell me.

>military
>hunter
>fisher
>ride a bicycle every day at lunch
>have shot more firearms than you have ever seen or heard of
>built a guitar once
>built a warhammer once (it wasn't very good though)
>play about 8 different instruments
>two kids
>wife ten years younger

Probably my biggest credit though is the fact I just walk 8 miles every single night.
No flashlight, no knives or guns. just walk in the dark.
The primal sense I get from being out at night, knowing this is not natural and walking the streets and parks of my city gives me a lot of strength.

I never did any meme shit though.
I just ate eggs, aspargus, and lots of soups and meats since my grandparents were butchers when I was a child.

You're saying it's all genetics, but the willpower to do better has done more for a man than any genetic ever has.

>>76265361
Because the modern system is ignorant of Survial of the Fittest, and that ignorance produces existential problems.
Yes, agriculture won over tribalism, but we also developed entirely new problems that would not occur naturally, such as Diabetes and Cancer, among other rampant diseases.
In order to offset this issue, we keep people alive with pharmaceutical drugs and surgery, and then those procedures develop side effects of their own, so while we are surviving in the short run we are accruing an entire list of problems for the future.
If the system collapses, it is all lost, and people will revert to their natural settings. Of course the truth is in the middle, and if we want to overcome this issue we have to assimalate ancient ways of living with our modern wealth of knowledge.

>>76265375
I still carry a water filter, but I only ever use it if the water is infested with cow shit or something.
Met another hiker on the CT called trinket, dude said he hiked the whole AT without a filter and was fine, so I started doing it too and I havent had any problems.
The issue is one if strengthening your body with weaker bacteria so that if you do confront bad shit in the water you can handle it better.
Obviously within reason, dont drink dirt water, but I apply this same philosophy by eating small pieces of every mushroom I come accross, even the ones I know are poison. Natural immunization.

>>76265377
Those are all great achievements, and you werent handed any of that shit, you earned it. Will is what defines a man, and in that same way, I will myself to survive the things that would kill most men, not through drugs or synthetic treatments, but by virtue of my own inborn will, a trait that is unique to all of us.

>>76265377
NTA but everything on that list is based as fuck minus the wife and kids, throw them in a wood chipper youll be a lot better off.

>>76265407
>Destroy your happy life with your wife and kids
Stfu kike queer

>>76262212 (OP)
Your ancestors were like 5'4" buddy, they weren't the gigachads you're thinking of

>>76265257
I was making an observational statement, not an ontological statement. Nothing you've said is relevant to my post

>>76265635
Your refusal to correlate what Im saying to what you're saying is not my fault, I am not responsible for your failure to conceptualize, and simply believing something to be the case doesnt make it true.
Maybe try to make posts that are more relevant to reality.

>>76265646
Once again, you are arguing against a statement that nobody made. I am not saying that ancestral knowledge is not valuable. I'm not saying that we don't have ancestral knowledge. And I'm not saying that it can't be implemented. All I'm saying is that the people, by and large, who espouse it, are grifters And generally unhappy people looking to capitalize on a historical postulations in order to redefine themselves. I have made no statement of fact regarding the accuracy, implementation or value of ancestral concepts or knowledge.

>>76265407
No ty.
I believe the human soul is the will to keep going.
My wife and children give me strength to keep going.

I must be strong for them.

>>76265652
And I previously agreed that grifters exist and have said the same thing. People crave what elements of identity theyve lost, Id say theyre unhappy or insecure precicely because theyve lost touch with their roots.

>>76265716
Great. So you agree? I don't know why you went into that long, unrelated diatribe.

>>76262348
>Hybrid vigor is an absolute myth
A partial myth due to a misunderstanding of terms. ONLY the F1 hybrid (first generation hybrid) has hybrid vigor. Mules are an example as are hybrid crops, but only the F1 first generation hybrid has hybrid vigor. Trying to breed hybrids to hybrids gets a random mix of useless traits that are worse than either parent.
For the best outcome the F1 hybrid doesn’t breed at all.
For the worst outcome the F1 hybrid breeds with another F1 hybrid and destabilizes all the adaptations of whatever genotypes or ecomorphs they were made from (called “outbreeding depression”).
For a better outcome the F1 hybrid breeds with only ONE of it’s component types producing F2, which breeds with the same type again through to generations F3, F4 and F5 at which stage the introduced traits have been stabilized into one of the original parent types and the foreign material loses its competing influence.
A lot of effort and not really worth it unless you’re trying to get something specific like a recessive trait from one breed of dog into another (also Brittany Venti)