>34 years old, 1 year of intense bodybuilding training with the best technique, diet, recovery and a lifestyle tailored around putting as much mass on as humanely possible...
FOR 2.7 (TWO POINT SEVEN) FUCKING POUNDS OF MUSCLE

if you arent on gear you are legit just retarded as fuck bro

>>76280301 (OP)
It's not a good example because this guy is an albino pigmy and not a cro magnon (modern human)

why does jeff have that hideous nigger fade cut now?

>>76280306
This guy gets so much hate here I could believe most of the people on this board are women

>>76280301 (OP)
Yeah but he's a manlet who trains like a manlet

Old /fit/ would've known that you make less muscle every subsequent year of lifting. For as much muscle that he has as long as he's been lifting this isn't bad at all.

>>76280301 (OP)
Roid tranny faggot cope. You will never be a real man. Worthless maggot. Inferior mongrel.

>>76280327
And its also ignoring all the muscle he has put on.

>>76280327
It's terrible RoI if you consider how much effort he put into that extra muscle. Like, 6 workouts a week, every week, for an entire year, while meticulously counting every calorie, just for 2.7lbs of muscle is bad.
The effort to result ratio is terrible at that point.
Honestly anyone who's serious about bodybuilding and and going to the gym just to fuck around is a retard if they are still training naturally past their first 3 years of serious natty training.

>>76280327
ALSO, he has a total of 60kg of lean body mass, if you put a normal sized man like 6'1" and up, he would look like a complete skeleton that never been to the gym.

>>76280352
How can he be that strong with only that much muscle mass? If you take a 6.1 guy with that muscle mass he can't even bench 2 plates

>>76280357
A lot of strength comes from neural adaptation and your CNS learning to engage more of the muscle fibers that you have already available; he's been training for 17 years or something, you can bruteforce your way into being decently strong if you stay consistent.

>>76280359
(Obviously I'm not saying that more muscle wouldn't give him even more strength, I'm just saying that strength is not just the total amount of muscle tissue you have but also how your body utilizes it)

35 years old natty here, I gained 16.4 lbs of lean muscle since April 20th. You're just doing it wrong.

>>76280332
Cope dyel

>>76280376
thats because you were either
>fat as fuck
>skinny as fuck
>never worked out a day in your life
you had noob gains. jeff has been lifting for like 15 years. putting any muscle on at all at that stage is way harder than when youre a complete dyel like you

>>76280398
This is the answer. I hate fitness grifters as much as the next guy, but Jeff has been near his max for a while. Him making gains at all is impressive at this point.

>>76280398
You're right, I just started lifting this year, I think I'm doing pretty good for 7 weeks.
Good for Jeff to get big like that, but once I hit 10-12% fat at ~194 I think I'll move onto something else. Body building was just a choice, and it's been pretty easy.

>2.7 lbs
he didn't trust the s0ience.

>>76280318

He's balding and trying to hide it

>>76280301 (OP)
ok, post body, roidtranny.
Then pull out the usual playbook of "you're just mad because I mog" when in reality your nake everyone think
>roiding for this
Follow that up by posting organs, and your 20 year plan. How do you want to die? Like a needle pushing bitch from a little sauna? How about a classic heart attack? Tell us, bro.

>>76280376
whatever retarded gimmick tool you used to measure it it lied to you

>what is being 5'2" for 500
>what is diminishing returns for 300

>>76280301 (OP)

1# He looks good, even if he is short
2# He's been training for what, 10 years? His easy gains dried up 5 years ago, honestly I'm surprised he gained as much as he did.

>>76280376

>You, 18% bodyfat
>Training 2 years

Vs

>Jeff, >12% body fat
>Training 17 years

Not remotely comparable

>>76280301 (OP)
growth isn't infinite and he's been lifting for how many years? 15?
after that long you should lift for maintenance once a week and find another hobby
maybe sport
do you guys that say this shit just want to balloon up indefinitely?

>>76280301 (OP)
>nippard
>natty lifting
if anything he showed that even roids hit a wall after so many years and the curve flattens

>>76280449
I already know who the OP is
he's the super female brained attention starved anon that keeps posting the same pic where he flex his tricep

>>76282098
There's also the ugly slav who claims he's elite naturally but took gear to be "more elite" lol.
There are too many of these weird fuckers. Just like the handful of fin trannies pushing their weird shit or the demoralization posters. Don't forget the polish(?) retard who always quotes himself over and over, claiming every single method of training ever is wrong, calling everyone bot while never posting body. These "people" need to be permabanned.

>>76282178
the indian/french with a barely above average skelly body that insists he's been training for a year and keeps same fagging his own thread with "wow man you already look good like that"
too many dedicated autists for such a small board

>>76282040
Training 7 weeks actually.

>>76281963
It hasn't, I have gained 16.4 lbs of lean muscle in 7 weeks.

>>76280321
>Women
>On the internet
Kek, oh boy lmao haha

>>76280301 (OP)
>already nattymaxxed
>still packing 1kg a year
>10 kg in 10 years
>Literally more buff than many that blast gear
>infinitely healthier than them

embrace nattyness or die (from a stroke), jeff edition

>>76280352
Assuming you're tall you've been handed an advantage and you still try to belittle him for making the most of what he has.

What a miserable way to be

>>76282776
It has nothing to do with being miserable
Dont you think there should be a disclaimer for being a manlet?
Like when someone blasts gear and gets massive, you'll want to know if he is natural or not because if its not applicable to normal people then whats the point
Its the same for being a turbo-manlet, his physique is just not applicable to normal people

>>76282776
I'm not clowning on him for being short, I'm just saying that isolated photos of him being jacked gives people false expectation to what they can expect to look like naturally.

>>76282809
>>76282791
He is a normal human though. You guys are such conniving harpies lmao, trying to dehumanize a guy because he was born short.

it's like I'm talking to women. I guess it's functionally the same since most men are gynoslaves now

>>76282823
Ok lil' bro.

>>76280301 (OP)
but he has a lot of muscle already

>>76280301 (OP)
>there's people who think he's natty

>>76280376
thats actually impossible as a natty. the calculations are lying and no I'm not seething. scientifically you're a freak with myostatin deficiency or you believe in a data set that probably gives off intentionally skewed results.

FYI gaining nearly 20% muscle mass within a few months would make you immediately look like a body builder

>>76280301 (OP)
Kek, I can tell you're a novice. Diminishing returns bro. When you're already an advanced lifter the scaling of progression gets really fucked, it's legitimately harder to go from 3pl8 to 3.5pl8 bench than it is to go from empty bar to 2pl8. Jeff is past the point of making real progress now anyway, he's pretty much maxed out. you don't just keep building forever, otherwise bodybuilders in their 40s would all be >400lbs ripped. When you get big numbers and build real gains you will understand

3lbs of muscle on a 5’3” person who has trained for 10 years is very good actually, it’s noticeable mass

>>76282878
I was astonished as well, my program i created is working very well. the first 3 weeks was only 6.5 lbs of lean muscle, so I altered it slightly and got massive results. I am still deciding if I want to increase my maintenance to 200 lbs in august or stick to my goal of 192-194 lbs and sculpt from there.

AMA, I am willing to share with you what I am doing and what I am eating and taking. And before you ask, it's natty, the only supplement beyond vitamins is T.R.T.

>>76280301 (OP)
More like his "scientific " lifting is a joke, as his untrained brother ended a year of lifting obese with minimal gains

>>76282944
You're literally saying what OP says, there's no point to natty lifting past the first few years.

jeff is walling

>>76280301 (OP)
Post body OP. I’m sure you are healthy and muscular.

>>76280351
> Like, 6 workouts a week, every week, for an entire year, while meticulously counting every calorie,
It’s his life. It’s both a hobby and job for him.

>>76283017
Even ronnie coleman barely made any gains past 1997 bro

>>76283006
>it's natty
>TRT
top kek

>>76283214
these, not T itself.

>>76283267
Personally spooked by ash, always read about insane sides that last even after they stop taking it.

>>76283277
I haven't noticed any side effects, what have you read?

>>76280301 (OP)
Wait until you find out that this manlet isn't even natty lmao

>>76280376
>I gained 16.4 lbs of lean muscle since April 20th.
lol

>>76280301 (OP)
>a joke
>better built than 99.9% of the population

>>76283287
mostly anxiety, ed, and libido sides, which is terrifying. I had a period of low libido in my life and it's almost like being a cripple.

>>76283566
You'll be glad to hear I have noticed none of those issues on my end.

>>76280415
> but once I hit 10-12% fat at ~194 I think I'll move onto something else. Body building was just a choice, and it's been pretty easy.
Sure it was and sure you will

>>76283630
It was and it is and it will be.

>>76283117
Ok, but you are missing the point.

>>76282714
Impossible. Post body.

>>76283692
That’s why you should post body with those totally believable results

>>76283818
No, you are because you don’t understand diminishing returns or apparently the concept of enjoying certain things

>>76284576
What's it called when an artist shows their work before it's done and it ruins their motivation to finish it?
I am taking photos and will post them when I get to my goals and shape, but I'd rather finish my work before putting it all out there.
I can take measurements if that'll help any.
Surprised no one asked what I am eating or what is my workout routine, because it took a great amount of research and practice to get everything going.

>>76280301 (OP)
Does he even lift?

>>76284814
kek, insane cope. adopt a trip so people can filter this retarded bait.

>>76284848
It's reasonable for you to react that way, I don't blame you and I forgive any hostility you have towards me. I'll probably not post again until my next weigh-in, in about 3-4 weeks.
I'm just glad to get results beyond my pre-calculated expectations, and now I'm in a spot where I have to decide to increase maintenance to 200lbs or stick to my plan of ~192lbs and sculpt when I reach it. What do you think?

>>76284814
> What's it called when an artist shows their work before it's done
Being a fat liar. That’s what it’s called.

>>76280301 (OP)
>the best technique
There's no such thing. What works for one person might not for someone else.
And to be honest as long your lifting heavy and doing it consistently none of that other bullshit matters

>>76280322
you mean he sulks around gym angrily glaring at tall people?

>>76280332
I cant imagine what its like to go through life flying into a rage every time you see a pic of a guy with big muscles

>>76280352
normal sized men are 6'2" and above but I get where you're coming from

>>76280351
what if you just want to lift weights and not inject shit into your body

>>76285360
Sure you can. It’s why you trooned out. You never felt masculine enough to preserve anything.

>>76283006
The amount of fucking retardation it takes to type this is unfathomable. You must KYS NOW

>>76284581
Exactly, you fucking moron, there's no point of natural lifting past the first few years because the gains become so minuscule you basically spin your wheels for no results.

>>76286534
Lol. Lmao, even.

>>76286391
My wife and kids would be heartbroken, no thank you

>>76286556
Is that your boyfriend? You may feel more comfortable over at /lgbt/.

>>76286534
Cool. Post body.

>>76286693
The burden of proving that you can look impressive naturally is on you. Post your body proving that you actually look better than "average gymcel that spent years at the gym and has nothing to show for it". I'll wait, until then, there's no discussion to be had, lil' gayboy.

>>76284887
Nta but I think you're fucking retarded and your measurement for 16lbs of lean tissue gains is also retarded. 194lbs at 12%bf is an off season pro bodybuilder or. Pro NFL athlete. But sure you'll get there in just a few months of lifting from noob to elite when it takes people 3-5 years to achieve because you're that ONE in a trillion special snow flake :^)

>>76280351
If you actually watch the video he got horrible roi because he got an injury like a retarded beginner. It was a failed experiment and he should redo it

>>76280301 (OP)
No, you are retarded as fuck if you want get more muscle like that on your manlet frame. What? You want to make the numbers go a tad bit higher or chase a Ronnie Coleman physique like that of a walking tumor? You should prioritize health and longevity.

>>76287084
You're missing the point, you will need significantly more muscle if you're a normal human being like 6'1" and up, which is actually pretty hard to match that when you're not subhuman manlet without gear.

>>76280301 (OP)
What leads you to think that he's doing everything perfectly? Even with a decade of experience or whatever, he could still be wrong about training/diet/lifestyle and "leaving gains on the table", to use his words.

>>76286704
I’m not the one claiming to add 16lbs of lean muscle in 2 months. Outrageous claims demand proof.

But regardless here you go. Since you’re so jacked and awesome and manly why don’t you take this chance to mog me. I know I don’t look great. But I’m not half bad either.

>>76287863
he won't reply with a pic, dude's just baiting. Site is full of retards like this who make outrageous bullshit posts and never post body.

>>76287872
I know. But I still like making fun of the
>hurr durr just pretending to be retarded
retards. I have the spare time.

Meanwhile he could have hopped on a single 2-month cycle of MK677+Enclo and built 10lbs+ of muscle easy lol

>>76286556
Do you look like that though natty cuck? Most of you wouldn't even get close with roids

>>76287863
>I’m not the one claiming to add 16lbs of lean muscle in 2 months. Outrageous claims demand proof.
Me neither, you're arguing with two different people.

>>76280321
>muh swinging lateral raises
That faggot peddled the "muh deep stretch" making it his whole personal brand until he was shown a study showing he is retarded and then he just went "oh i will go deep stretch anyway"

He got pushed by a roidtranny because he kept provoking him and then fucking went to a hospital for an MRI scan of head like a little bitch instead of punching him

He is a dweeb that would be bullied in any other community yet he peddles this "oh im smart and intellectual and scientific" fucking nerd intellectualism that only literal children fall for

>>76288435
Cool so you’re a second fat retard. Still not seeing your body. What’s your cope this time?

>>76280376
>Only 5% of his weight isn't fat or muscle
Wew

>>76280318
body-building is stress, stress is hair-loss

>>76280301 (OP)
He is not even natty

>>76280351
>Like, 6 workouts a week, every week, for an entire year
Nippard is grossly overtrained. He, like most on this board, is retarded and could gain more if he cut down on the frequency a bit.

not op but turned 30 then months after...

l5-s1 disc protrusion with nerve root impingement

how fucked is my life now? cuz i work in an office and sitting down long HURTS

>>76288459
There's no cope, you don't look impressive, and you will never do if you stay natural unless you're a turbo manlet.

>>76288718
>says the fatty who won’t post body