Thread 76297629

What does /fit/ think of seed oils?

I dont

>>76297629 (OP)
i eat them all the time, the idea that they're bad is some weird qanon-tier conspiracy dogshit

>>76297806
Nah. They really are inflammatory. When I eat seed oils I almost instantly get a flare up of seb derm.

>>76297817
There is an anon here who vilifies milk with tea because he gets heartburn. If you suggest that is a him problem he calls you jewish. Lol.

>>76297822
>If you suggest that is a him problem he calls you jewish
based

>>76297817
What am I supposed to cook food in then? Butter probably isn't healthy.

>>76297840
Mentall illness is not based

>>76297865
Newfag

>>76297850
I use olive oil or a mix of olive oil and butter to saute everything. I don't deep fry.
>Butter probably isn't healthy.
Learn how to make clarified butter/ghee at home. It's easy as fuck and has a very high smoke point.

>>76297806
We have also countless studies that show they're good for us

The best thing that ever came out of canada is Canola oil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSYwwuYLyUE

>>76297629 (OP)
bad to consume a lot of every day, but it's not literal poison where a single drop will destroy your body and tank your metabolism either. fine in moderation.

>>76297629 (OP)
God came to me in my dreams and told me to switch back to butter

>>76297817
You only begin to realise how infammatory they are once you cut them out of your diet. Twice have I consumed seed oils in recent memory without my knowledge, and both times my digestion was fucked.

Industrial waste which is made odorless and tasteless and sold back to humans instead of being discarded.
Byproduct of jews and capitalism.

>>76297629 (OP)
I stir fry with canola oil (cheap). Schizos on the internet tell me it's gonna kill me yesterday. Meanwhile health authorities seem to recommend it as "heart healthy". I've seen the schizos say to use coconut oil, meanwhile health authorities explicitly say not to consume coconut oil. Everything is contradictory, no one agrees on anything.

Convince me to stop. Do not send me links to that raw meat retard, he's a schizo.

>>76298316
You wont be convinced because you're right
90% of internet diet advice is just anti-authority grifting
Why? Because it sells like hotcakes
Everyone with a brain can actually see the truth

>>76298077
Olive oil is a salad dressing and is not appropriate for cooking due to it's low smoke point. They're not alternatives for each other.

>>76297629 (OP)
Food inclusionism or exclusivism is a sign of in eating disorder and anyone who makes one particular type of food.

>>76297945
>butter becomes healthy when you remove the benign part
Yeah no

>>76297629 (OP)
Food inclusionism or exclusivism is a sign of in eating disorder and anyone who makes one particular type of food the center of their personality or diet should be immediately ignored

>>76297629 (OP)
Problem with seed oils is all evidence show they are heart protective, but are destructive to the liver.
The liver is huge part of your immune system and cancer rates are skyrocketing because of this.
While most studies have shown animal fats are liver protective.
that's your trade off.

>>76298498
Show me one study that shows they are harmful to human livers. FYI we have studies that show they are good for your liver.

> https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/12/6207/5540968?login=false
> SFA markedly induces liver fat and serum ceramides, whereas dietary PUFA prevents liver fat accumulation and reduces ceramides and hyperlipidemia during excess energy intake and weight gain in overweight individuals.

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38501177/
>The consumption of rapeseed oil instead of ghee caused improvements in liver steatosis and enzymes, glycaemic variables and anthropometric measurements among individuals with NAFLD.

>>76298494
One of these things is not like the other. And american "bread" is not bread.

>>76298518
Thanks for proving my point. Have a lovely day

>>76298489
He wants a cooking oil to replace seed oils. Normal butter burns at a very low heat.

>>76298523
Nothing you just said is relevant to my post.

>>76298529
You are a retard with zero reading comprehension

>>76298069
Not really. Studies have shown a link between lower dietary saturated fats and decreased heart disease, which is why they recommend seed oils. However, newer studies with better controls contradict this, and the inflammation caused by having an omega 3/6 imbalance is well-established. Seed oils have a 3/6 ratio of like 1:20. That's ignoring the fact that many of them are contaminated with hexane from the extraction process (which is why they're heavily regulated in europe).

>>76298522
Yes, I have an eating disorder. I'm literally autistic. I avoid seed oils and plastic like the plague. I only eat the food I cook and buy. I spent half the time in the supermarket reading labels. I also bench 250 at 13% body fat. You think I care if you say I have an eating disorder nigga?

>>76298542
Sorry you are so upset

>>76298557
Didn't ask

>>76297629 (OP)
When I eat a lot of them, I don't feel good, especially if it's something deep fried or otherwise greasy. I'm not sure if that's just my digestion or the oils (improper cooking methods, old/rancid, whatever), but I guess it doesn't matter much. I generally don't trust them at this point, and I also don't trust nutrition research enough to take anything away from it, so I just try to eat things as unaltered as I can. I figure the less that's been done to it, the better off I am.
I avoid buying things with a lot of seed oils when shopping at the store, but I don't sperg out about it at restaurants, I just try to order reasonably healthy dishes. At home, I usually cook with only ghee or olive oil, but I also keep fats relatively low in general because it feels best.
I know there's a whole Peat crowd here, and I enjoyed reading his articles. I found his claims about PUFA and how it causes and exacerbates inflammation to be very interesting and in line with my experience, but I'm not well-versed enough in biology to properly sift through that information. I'm also not quite autistic enough to be pursuing a zero-PUFA diet.

>>76297629 (OP)
I don't trust them.

>>76299080
>eats deepfried garbage
>claims its seed oil fault
No dude, try eating sensible maybe?
You ever put a little bit of sunflower seed oil in a salad? Shit is incredibly delicious and you'll never feel bad if you use it sparingly

>>76297850
extra virgin olive oil. normal olive oil isn't much better.

>>76298330
this is retarded, literally everybody in the mediterranean cooks almost exclusively with olive oil

>>76299080
It's called the placebo effect.

>>76299118
Be specific, what mediterranean food? You can't properly achieve maillard reaction using olive oil, it's not appropriate to use at those temperatures, it's a salad dressing.

Anyone attempting to sear meat with olive oil are one of those pretend chefs who set their kitchen on fire for clicks. Italian food is gross, hummus is really the only thing worth mentioning out of the Mediterranean desu.

>>76299153
i don't know how to be more specific than "almost exclusively". anything that goes into a pan, gets at least a splash of EVOO. even for deep frying e.g. potatoes, EVOO. the only reason to not use EVOO is when you want a neutral flavor oil to make something like mayo, then you use sunflower oil. also if you are so poor that you can't afford it, but it is unlikely, it's just not that expensive here.

>>76298557
You know that if you grow your own food you have even better control over what's in it, and what's in you... Why stop at buying/cooking?

>>76297629 (OP)
I prefer olive oil, but that's mostly a personal choice. Seed oils are slightly worse, but not as bad as the retards think it is.

>>76298549
>However, newer studies with better controls contradict this
Provide them. Show any human study that people who consume more seed oils have negative health effects compared to other fats.

>>76297629 (OP)
don't really care about the scaremongering around it but i dont see a reason to use it over olive oil aside from cost

>>76299114
refined olive oil is not associated with the controversy surrounding seed oils, what are you talking about? it's true that refined lack a lot of the good stuff from virgin, but that's not what you're saying here

>>76299250
depending on the grade, olive oil may be extracted with solvents from the seed of the olives, in the same way as other seed oils. if you only worried about the composition, and not about traces of solvents being left in the oil, then i guess it is ok.

>>76297850
Lard (melted pig fat)

>>76299264
the composition is obviously the big issue, refined olive oil has a way better health profile than say canola. not saying it's necessarily good for you but its obviously way better than seed oils

>>76299269
This but beef tallow and ghee

>>76297806
/thread

>>76298506
>ghee
Drinking dioxin is healthier than exposure to jeetslop, no surprise there

luckily I don't have a junk food addiction so I can just avoid added refined oils and I don't have to be a jeet playing captain save-an-industry on the internet while believing that reducing oil consumption is a ketogenic diet

>>76297806
>>76297850
>>76298069
>>76298316
>>76298329
>>76298498
>>76298506
>>76299338
ough jeez. the goyim are trying to eat healthy!! shut it down!! get out of here with your junk studies and your "experts say" this bullshit and go steal some more foreskin you dirty kikes. seed oils are a mechanical byproduct. any time any substance is hydrogenated is becomes detrimental to our health.

>>76298316
It is known that Chinese women have high rates of lung cancer because they stir fry with seed oil. The oil releases carcinogenic fumes which you breathe in.
>>76297850
Either eat raw food or cook with water or air.

Its bad

>>76299498
>science isn’t real
>actually the science says anytime a product becomes hydrogenated it’s bad for you.

Prove it then. Zero evidence that seed oils are bad. All studies point to them being better. Imagine shilling for YouTube grifters

>>76299735
not my points at all but cool strawman. i could dig up 10 studies saying they are good for you and then find 10 studies saying they are bad for you. when the basedence can't come to a consensus it's better to be safe than sorry. seed oils are by default an ultra processed food. staying away from that entire food category is a smart thing to do.

>>76299785
>then find 10 studies saying they are bad for you

No you can’t. They do not exist. Keep sucking that grifter cock. There are zero human studies in the last 3 decades that say seed oils are bad for you. And the ones before that have been debunked to hell and back. Plenty of ones from this decade saying they are healthy for you.

>>76299794
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6196963/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26567191/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8192728/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8472362/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9488997/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39262663/

the studies are never ending. i don't know where you got this delusional belief that this was all founded from thin air and is somehow a youtuber grift.

>>76299807
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6196963/
Not a human study. It's a hypothesis you fucking idiot.

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26567191/
Again not a study. Just saying people have gotten fat and we have also are eating more oil.

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8192728/
Holy shit a third time. It's another "theory" piece done by a retard

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8472362/
Again, not a study. And I don't even see seed oils mentioned

None of these are trials. This is fucking hilarious you look at retarded theories and "mechanistic speculation" but ignore the mountains of actual human trials that show a direct benefit of consuming seed oils. Then make retarded posts like>>76299498
Saying "WE JUST DON'T KNOW"

>>76299826
See:
>https://www.nature.com/articles/1600621
>These data suggest that cholesterol synthesis is lower during diets rich in coconut fat and safflower oil compared with diets rich in butter and might be associated with lower production rates of apoB-containing lipoproteins.

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34527059/
>Our findings revealed that flaxseed oil supplementation might play a beneficial role in the reinforcement of the antioxidant defense system and amelioration of oxidative stress in adults.

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34635132/
>Flaxseed intervention suggested the positive effects on lipid profiles, inflammatory cytokines and anthropometric indices in patients with dyslipidemia related diseases

>https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/7/2436/htm
>The addition of EVOO enhances the vasodilatory capacity of the brachial artery even in the short term

> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.ATV.0000163185.28245.a1
> High SFA caused deterioration in FMD compared with high PUFA, MUFA, or CARB diets

> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.114.010236
> These data provide support for current recommendations to replace saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat for primary prevention of CHD.

> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-021-02507-1
>replacement of saturated fats with other macronutrients, such as polyunsaturated fats, was associated with reduced cardiovascular disease occurrence.

> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.ATV.14.6.892
> reducing saturated fats is the key to lowering total and LDL cholesterol.

>>76299829
Notice how they are actual studies involving humans

> https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/89/4/1641/2844241?login=false
> Our data demonstrate that short-term administration of a diet high in polyunsaturated fats induces a greater level of ketosis and improves SI without negatively affecting total or LDL cholesterol levels

>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0163782708000593?via%3Dihub
> Available data from controlled intervention studies suggest beneficial effects on insulin sensitivity when SFA and TFA are replaced with MUFA or PUFA

> https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/12/6207/5540968?login=false
> SFA markedly induces liver fat and serum ceramides, whereas dietary PUFA prevents liver fat accumulation and reduces ceramides and hyperlipidemia during excess energy intake and weight gain in overweight individuals.

> https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2017.73.3329
> Findings from this large, international cohort consortium suggest that modifying dietary fat intake (ie, replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat) may reduce lung cancer risk, particularly among smokers and for squamous cell and small cell carcinoma.

> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8048052/
> Intakes of butter and margarine were associated with higher total mortality while intakes of canola oil and olive oil were related to lower total mortality.

> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121943/
> Unsaturated fatty rich oils like safflower, sunflower, rapeseed, flaxseed, corn, olive, basedbean, palm, and coconut oil were more effective in reducing LDL-C (−0.42 to −0.20 mmol/l) as compared with SFA-rich food like butter or lard. LDL-C predicted differences based on their fatty acid composition showed that each 10% of dietary energy from butter replaced by unsaturated fatty rich oils (−0.31 to -0.22 mmol/l) were in line with findings from the NMA

>>76299831
Notice how they have things like "variables" and "confounders" that they control for

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38501177/
>The consumption of rapeseed oil instead of ghee caused improvements in liver steatosis and enzymes, glycaemic variables and anthropometric measurements among individuals with NAFLD.

> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39133482/
> The findings from this prospective cohort study demonstrated consistent but small inverse associations between a higher intake of plant fat, particularly fat from grains and vegetable oils, and a lower risk for both overall and CVD mortality. A diet with a high intake of animal-based fat, including fat from dairy foods and eggs, was also shown to be associated with an elevated risk for both overall and CVD mortality.

>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000291652200778X?via%3Dihub
>In conclusion, in prospective cohort studies, higher LA intake, assessed by either dietary surveys or biomarkers, was significantly associated with a modestly lower risk of mortality from all causes, CVD, and cancer

>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000291652200778X
> These data support the potential long-term benefits of PUFA intake in lowering the risk of CVD and premature death.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2831265
> In this cohort study, higher intake of butter was associated with increased mortality, while higher plant-based oils intake was associated with lower mortality. Substituting butter with plant-based oils may confer substantial benefits for preventing premature deaths.

>>76299829
>>76299831
>>76299835
Wtf I love seed oils now? Good posts

>>76299835
this really just further proves my point that the snoyence goes both ways and is incredibly inconsistent.

>>76299852
Maybe if you’re a fucking idiot and can’t tell the quality of evidence apart. I’m sure crossing the street is an adventure for you as well.

>>76299852
I think you’re just stupid.

>>76299852
You post “theories” not involving actual controlled human trials.

I posted actual human trials

>WE
>JUST
>DONT
>KNOW

>>76299864
you are seething pretty hard there timmy. seed oils are terrible for you. it's common sense.

>>76299868
nice samefagging btw. twice in a row? way to make it obvious. you still have yet to prove how it's a "youtuber grift".

>>76299877
>”there is evidence from both sides”
>”seed oils are terrible for you”

Lmao the true colors show. Feel free to show any human trials from this millennia. It’s just vegetable oil bro.

>>76299826
>>76299829
>>76299831
>>76299835
oh btw all of these "studies" only depict correlation between consumption. correlation is not causation. all of these "studies" are junk to begin with. none of these are randomized double blind studies where people are actually being served x amount of sneed oil or x amount of butter for a duration of time. pretty comical stuff.

>>76299882
see
>>76299886
there are no real human trials. is it not better to reside on the side of caution? i did have my bloodwork done recently and my primary care doctor told me to not consume processed food to include seed oils. is he le youtuber grifter boogeyman now? what could he be selling me? he didn't even write me a prescription. look into the history of cottonseed oil and how it was killing people. you really think different hydrogenated seeds are any better?

>>76299886
Yes heavily controlled epidemiology. Feel free to explain what isn’t being controlled that led to the results. You can’t. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that tens of thousands of people had similar results.

>>76299923
from what i have read so far in the studies you posted the trials were all loosely based around correlation and not much else. i wouldn't consider this to be heavily controlled epidemiology. nobody can truly heavily control or study epidemiology. by it's own namesake it implies impossibility for controlled trials. there are far too many variables to account for. we don't know the lifestyle questions asked. we don't know if anything was truly measured. hardly any of the studies you posted contained enough isolation for a control group or a test group to be established.
additionally, are you aware that most studies like these are funded by the competing industry, right? the dairy industry will make junk studies slandering the agriculture industry. the agriculture industry will retaliate with articles and studies which are all essentially junk. the meat industry releases junk studies against the grain industry, and the grain industry releases junk studies about the meat industry. none of this is within the pursuit of truth, so none of it is real science. gold standard science doesn't exist anymore.

>>76299957
They literally control for all of that shit you fucking idiot. Take something specific. Age, race, socioeconomic, gender, healthy user habits, alcohol, smoking, exercise. Name it.
>muh funding
Cool prove it effected the study. You can’t. It’s what you say when you have no other arguments. Keep sucking grifter cock.

>>76297629 (OP)
Sesame oil is delicious but has a low smoke point.

>>76297629 (OP)
probably a bit worse for you than animal fat, but too much of either is bad for you. How about a little bit of everything and no snacking between meals. I dont want to do the orthorexia thing were you only eat one way

>>76297629 (OP)
They're fine as long as you don't cook them

>>76297850
Coconut oil

>>76297629 (OP)
They go rancid.
Put it in your body and your own fat will go rancid.
Rancid bodyfat no thanks.

I use high oleic sunflower oil to make my own mayo, better fatty acid profile than olive oil.

>>76297629 (OP)
It's oil and the people acting as if they're poison are retards who will believe any semi-frightening thing you tell them.

>>76298330
It just means it's used on lower heats. Olive oil isn't for searing or deep-frying. Literally anyone who likes sauteeing veggies or italian cooking uses olive oil for it.

>>76302978
>Put it in your body and your own fat will go rancid

>>76303037
okay you flesh bag of rancid oil

>>76303048
They oxidize and go rancid. The process does not stop once it is stored in your fat cells.

>>76303054
Actually no they don't the oxygen proof-layer within bodyfat prevents it from going rancid and actually can reverse the process using kinaurtic psyntholeum synthesis.

>Human beings use all sorts of oils for over 100 years
>all of sudden they are the worst thing ever and will kill you
So I guess I made it to 30 by-chance?

>>76303064
WRONG, warm human body which has lot of oxygen only accelerates the process.

When you look at a bottle of sneed oil and it says expires in 6 months you have to keep in mind that your body will have to store it for years. Human bodyfat turnover being something like 7 years.

Isn't it hard to make deep-fried food without seed oils? So if we banned seed oils, we would indirectly make the world a lot healthier.

>>76303069
>Humans used butter only for all of human history
>all of a sudden you must eat unnatural ultra-processed seed oils because muh basedience

>>76303105
who is saying that you should eat oils in-place of butter? Use both retard.

>>76303078
>When you look at a bottle of sneed oil and it says expires in 6 months you have to keep in mind that your body will have to store it for years
>the human body storing anything digestive for years
that's not how that works.

>>76303207
Sneed oil(omega6 linoleic acid) is an essential fat, your body can't make it and it has to be gotten from outside sources. It gets stored into adipose with other fats.
Share of it keeps rising because it's cheap.

>>76303237
holy shit a sourceless picture! I'm really afraid!

try harder seed schizo

>>76303245
The same chart is here but only to 2005. I'm too lazy to find the source for the updated one.
https://advances.nutrition.org/article/S2161-8313(23)00114-X/pdf

>>76303253
That doesn't even support any of your health claims, but I don't expect schizos to actually read or understand any of the studies they post.

>>76303266
Keep chugging corn oil then and turn yourself into rancid flesh bag like median american is already is.

>>76303275
lol I love you retards, there is never an option in-between "drink oil straight from the bottle" and "abstain entirely".
I can guarantee I look better than you

>>76303306
The median american doesn't chug it either but now you know what happened to them.

>>76299980
they couldn't possibly control for everything unless the subjects were locked in padded cells under constant surveillance. are you retarded? additionally, the criteria (age, smoking, etc.) are all checkboxes on an intake form which are never verified by a third party. the funding is also intentionally obfuscated for obvious reasons. it's quite easy to manipulate data and make junk studies to further a narrative. btw none of this has to do with youtubers. you are on some sort of trannymode with this whole dick obsession you have.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16571087/
relevant because basedbean oil has a concentrated amount of isoflavones when compared to unprocessed onions.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10534728/
a real study with solid control that was conducted on pigs, the animal which has a nearly identical digestive system to humans.

https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707
this one proves oils which contain high amounts of linoleic acid are responsible for raising all cause mortality.

what about the production process for seed oils? do you think solvent-based extraction techniques are healthy? what about hexane, a known carcinogen which is used in the production of seed oils? what about the extreme omega 6 to omega 3 fat ratio? what about the absurdly unnatural linoleic acid content? if anything, at this point you're sucking the seed oil cock. instead of having a mature discussion you'll probably throw another tranny meltdown without refuting any points.

>>76303342
lots of things sound scary that aren't. Also I'm pretty sure that 1 tablespoon of oil a day isn't going to impact you in the slightest.

>what about the production process for seed oils? do you think solvent-based extraction techniques are healthy?
Do you have any evidence suggesting it isn't outside of fearmongering?

>what about hexane, a known carcinogen which is used in the production of seed oils?
What about lye which is used to develop crust on bagels? Lye is very bad for humans, yet no one seems to raised concerns over eating bagels. It's almost as-if use case matters as does dilution and final outcome of the product.

>>76303342
>this one proves oils which contain high amounts of linoleic acid are responsible for raising all cause mortality.
***after increasing consumption to 15% of daily calories. So for an average 2000 calorie diet, that's 300 calories straight from oil (or about 2.5 tablespoons).

How many people do you know that are drinking nearly 3 tablespoons of oil per day? Even in my most oil-heavy recipes the average serving is like half a tablespoon at-most.

>>76303403
>>76303380
the thing is that we don't know what amount of it is definitively safe or unsafe to consume. moderation is wise, but we don't have enough credible studies to determine what moderation for such a product would be.

>Do you have any evidence suggesting it isn't outside of fearmongering?
i was simply raising a question. solvents are generally not found in food and the effects of solvent based extraction is minimally studied. i personally choose to not trust it as a precautionary measure.

>What about lye which is used to develop crust on bagels?
lye was not traditionally used to brown the crust on bagels, and there are other means of achieving this. there is a simple chemistry involved in the bagel crust example, but in the sneed oil discussion there is a non stop chemistry of unnatural processes and layers of hyper processing which take place. this makes good faith studies many orders of magnitude more difficult.


>>76303403
why would they have to be drinking it? it's already in everything at the grocery store aside from produce, meat, and dairy. 300 calories of sneed oils easily achievable when you cross reference what is consumed in the standard american diet.

>>76303425
>i was simply raising a question
>aka I don't have any real reason to outside of vibes
retard alert

>why would they have to be drinking it?
do you even read the shit you post

>>76303342
>they couldn't possibly control for everything unless the subjects were locked in padded cells under constant surveillance
You have obviously never taken a statistics course before. Again. Which variable is not being controlled for that would influence hundreds of thousands of people over hundreds of studies form all over the world all having repeatable results?
>which are never verified by a third party
Yeah I'm sure they were all lying about being smokers. Jesus the straws you're grasping at.
>it's quite easy to manipulate data and make junk studies to further a narrative
It's also easy to point out when it's being done. Again hundreds of studies from all over the world. Hundreds of thousands of people.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16571087/
Not a study. "review of the literature" is just more mechanistic speculation. Why is it so hard for you to post human studies? You're criticizing epidemiology while posting fucking theories. Zero epistemic standards.

>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10534728/
>Piglets
>Disrupting "gut flora" not even actual negative health outcomes
Lmao. But you don't are about epidemiology spanning hundreds of thousands of live humans. All the speculation in the world is pointless when we have actual human data showing us what happens when you replace butt/lard/tallow with seed oils.

>https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707
Sydney heart study which is from the 60's and has been deboonked to hell and back.

>what about the production process for seed oils?
Don't care because I"m not an emotional women who is scared how things are made. I only care about human health outcomes.

>>76303433
raising a question does not mean i have baseless thoughts on the matter. it was a simple question. i don't see how an adult could read the question and think to themselves "hmm yeah im just gonna insult him instead of answering."

>do you even read the shit you post
obviously. i was asked how many people i know who are drinking nearly 3 tablespoons of oil per day. my point in the responding question was to prove that it's not about the methods of consumption. it's just a matter of consumption.

>>76297629 (OP)
Love them!!!!!!!!
The are so good for your heart and they LOWER CHOLESTEROL!!!!!

>>76301574
The White man's choice

>>76303449
i recently passed a stats course actually. very interesting. the issue with lacking third party verification is not that people all lie about smoking, it's that they very well could have been smoking the entire time and lied on the form. i wouldn't consider this "grasping straws". it is a genuine concern and could easily throw data off.

>It's also easy to point out when it's being done. Again hundreds of studies from all over the world. Hundreds of thousands of people.
all at once? all of the sudden in recent years when it has existed for decades? hmmmm. let me put my thinking hat on for this one. sounds like it confirms my original point.

>Don't care because I"m not an emotional women who is scared how things are made. I only care about human health outcomes.
see you in 20 years schlomo.

>>76303451
in your study they literally supplied them with pills of oil you fucking retard, just going to show that you aren't reading what you actually post

>>76303594
nope. i definitely do read what i post. are you saying that the methods of consumption don't matter?

>>76298316
>>76298329
Samefag
A lot of shills on here trying to deflect the facts about Sneed oils.

>>76304695
yes yes anon, everyone's a shill