Is the popularity of gym culture the reason that Gen Z don't drink as much?

>>76304527 (OP)

probably plays a bit of a role. I know I don't drink because of gym shit but I smoke weed in replacement

all the zoomers i know drink. i knew some zoomers who didn't ever drink during highschool but they're 19-20 now and drink all the time. i don't know any zoomers younger than 25 that smoke weed though.

I love it how alcoholics sperg out any time the use of alcohol is slightly criticized or threatened

terminally online millennial tranny writes a wall of text on xitter explaining how zoomers are the ones terminally online because muh phones apparently

>>76304675
those are the "loud" zoomers and frankly I bet half of them are lying unless you live on the party scene or something

this decline , as a gen Z, is probably the drying up of the below average guy crowd revenue stream and probably a health conscious choice by women. In the millennial days , even normie guys went to parties cause they thought they could score some pussy or meet someone/it felt like fun because life was filled with more hope back then and a rejection wasn't the end of the world.

Those average guys that used to go to bars or at least TRY to get into a party. They gave up. Full stop. Redpill and blackpill for guys especially is mainstream AF, we don't acknowledge it but every fucking guy has some idea as to what all that is about unless they lived purely offline / touched grass their whole life and socialized and WAS ACCEPTED by their peers.

But now , why drink just to get rejected? To get blasted on social media? Everyone is so eager to whip their phone out for a worldstar! moment , that scares a LOT of weak guys out of the market because frankly they just didn't have the money , the average guy has less money and can't even move out of his moms house to take a girl back too, so whose he drinking/poisoning himself for?

>>76304675
actually I know some female zoomers who smoke weed. none of the male zoomers i know smoke weed.

>>76304527 (OP)
>40 year old hasn't gone to a house party in a decade so he thinks no one is throwing house parties
lol

>>76304709
dude wtf are you even talking about? i think you are confusing a bizarre fever dream with reality.

>>76304527 (OP)
gen Z don't drink because they see what it's done to their parents

Drinking is lame and not conducive for your health and wellbeing.
High school party culture, to me, seems to just be seemingly more fortunate individuals flaunting their perceived superiority over seemingly less fortunate individuals.
Rich (in this cultural framework) exists relative to poor,
Tall exists relative to short,
Strong exists relative to weak.
Those with perceived, supposed inherit superiority play game of comparison.
The only way to move past this factory of artificial suffering is to change the central axis point of this culture from comparison (which we know is the thief of joy), to something eternal.

>>76304762
autism

>>76304768
Am I wrong

>>76304686
>I don't personally know anybody in their early 20s, but I'm pretty sure I know exactly how they live

>>76304729
my parents drank some and are fine, smoking (cigs) fucked my dad up so I was never interested in that. I know I'm not the norm for gen z tho. I'm white

>>76304527 (OP)
30 year old here, all my mates are the same age.
We drink for big events, my mates bucks party is coming up and we'll drink a fair bit.
But we don't casually drink

>>76304527 (OP)
He's right but alcohol is poison. I have absolutely no interest in drinking ever again as there is simply no benefit. I say this as a brit zillenial who got shitfaced drunk 2 days a week for 3 years 18-21.

>>76304804
why would you fuck your dad up

>>76304527 (OP)
Zoomers just switched to taking pills now, specifically downers.

>>76304527 (OP)
I thought government didn't want underage drinking. Isn't this a good thing?

>>76304811
I didn't, I didn't give him a heart attack at 45

The zoomers who do drink, drink heavily. The ones that don't are on a cocktail of SSRIs or other shit, are permafried, or a combination of all three. Remember this is the 'generation' that believes you will get skin cancer by going outside for 10 minutes without sunscreen.

>>76304817
This.

>>76304527 (OP)
All the women have sneaky links so that's not true

Why is this board morbidly obsessed with zoomers jesus fucking christ do you guys have a life ? Will you ever grow up and start caring about adult matters instead of gossiping like women about men younger than you ?

>>76304909
Why do you constantly seethe?

>>76304927
Who's "you" supposed to be ? Lest you're talking about the malding gen y who spam zoomer this zoomer that posts

>>76304527 (OP)
Have you seen the price of alcohol? Some lame 5% four and six packs of Mike's or pre-mixed cocktails are $10 or more.

>>76304909
every generation has done it since we learned how to talk, calm down

>>76304946
Zoomers dont care about gen alpha or boomers, only millennials seethe in every direction.

>>76304527 (OP)
Good, alcohol is horrible for you
Weed too

>>76304950
I remember when I was younger and there were tons of news complaining about millennials.

>>76304909
It's all we've ever known. Gen X taught us that's all there is to life.

>>76304953
Wow! Alcohol is the worst! Better to do heroin!
reposting this image filters for brainlets who see the word SOURCE on the bottom and accept the premise uncritically

>>76304955
...made probably by other millennials, sucks to be the generation that has a stick up it's collective arse and neve grows up lel

>>76304961
>probably
You know you're wrong and yet you still say this dumb shit lol

>>76304953
This.
People shouldn't be asking why zoomers don't drink. They should be asking why the other generations do.
>>76304683
For real. It's like people not drinking threatens their worldviews.

>>76304527 (OP)
No, it's because most bars are boring unless you go out to interact with friends. With advances in technology, zoomers can communicate with their friends from their own home much better than previous generations. Why go to the bar when for half the price, you can stay at home and drink, play whatever games you want, listen to whatever song you want, stream whatever show you want, etc...?

In order for bars to survive, they need to provide some kind of unique experience, like having a dance floor, karaoke, great quality food, etc...

>>76304909
because the people that still post here are mostly guys from 2011 zyzz era. aka that makes us around 30-35 years old. aka zoomers are the next in line in pecking order for us. every single generation thinks that the generation before them are old fart boomers and the generation after them is cringe childish zoomers.

majority of 4chan is millenial/zillennial whatever you want to call it, naturally we make fun of zoomers are analyze wwhat they do

>>76304729
lmao behave. zoomers are making terrible life choices- being fair, not all of them, but all young people including older generations and the generations to come make dumbarse decisions while young which affect their health

imagine thinking a single generation are special and have the critical thinking skills no generations has, had or will have at their age.

I'm happy to admit my generation made fucking dense decisions too, just own it

Guess it depends where you live. I live in Scotland and every zoomer I know drinks and snorts coke when on night outs. I don't think our drug and drinking problem will ever go away

>>76304722
Some of it fits for why I’m not a drinker anymore. It’s ultimately not worth it for several reasons.

>>76304527 (OP)
>umm kids should be drinking and doing drugs like I was not enjoying their lives in a less detrimental way!!
hate these old fucks

Does someone pay posters like OP to claim that zoomers are health-conscious? They're literally the fattest generation in history

>>76305539
you should be socializing with women (in real life). are you doing that without alcohol. no you aren't, don't lie you little faggot. drink 3 beers and go get some pussy for once in your life.

>>76304675
Its not about whether you're a teetotaler or not, its about frequency and degree of drinking. For instance, i drink, but i'm only drinking during social events lime parties or i'm on vacation with people, etc. But if i'm not doing anything special, i'm not gonna be drinking. So there can be stretches of weeks or months of me not having anything, depending on what's going on in my social life

>bloomberg
>dumb goy, the inbred migrant we let in can't afford to run his liquor store if you don't buy liquor I feel like i'm being shoahd again

>noooo why are you staying conscious and in control instead of drowning yourself in alcohol for zero benefit!!! You're cutting into my bottom line!!!
We're onto your tricks, jew

>>76304709
>Redpill and blackpill for guys especially is mainstream AF, we don't acknowledge it but every fucking guy has some idea as to what all that is about unless they lived purely offline / touched grass their whole life and socialized and WAS ACCEPTED by their peers.
So in other words...if you're just fucking normal you won't worry about all this cringe blackpill/redpill stuff? Yeah, no fucking shit anon, way to tell on yourself for espousing a loser ideology.

>>76305575
I had a borderline alcoholic phase when I was 18-20 already, don't need to further engage in debauchery
congrats on your addiction or whatever though

I only ever drink when I go clubbing myself on the weekend in order to fuck sluts, and even then it's only a glass or two at most.

Going to a party and "hanging out" and drinking for no other reason seems like pure degeneracy, on the same level as the fucking losers I see visiting weed shops here in Canada just to get high for the sake of it.

If you need alcohol to "socialize" then you're probably a boring person to begin with.

>>76304527 (OP)
they don't drink because they don't have friends

>>76304527 (OP)
Maybe if youre a 40yo incel who draws doodles on the internet and had a mental breakdown bc of covid you should not be taken seriously

>>76304527 (OP)
Zoomchad fratstar alumnus here:
I drank enough in college for multiple lifetimes. Nowadays I only drink socially and usually stick to 3 drinks or less, 6 if it is an actual party and people are getting wasted.

>>76304709
>But now , why drink just to get rejected? To get blasted on social media? Everyone is so eager to whip their phone out for a worldstar! moment
This most destructive behavior in human history and if you fight back against it in any way everyone involved can escalate legally and take your banter and make it into a harassment/hate crime charge.

>>76304527 (OP)
No. It's anime. Every zoomer grew up watching anime, which subtly instilled traditional values in them, like modesty, purity, chastity, etc. So they see clubbing or bar-hopping and getting shitfaced as degenerate (correctly).
If it was just about fitness, they'd still drink, at least in moderation, and restrict calories to make up for it.
It's a broader cultural shift, driven primarily by anime.

Alcohol is beneficial and restorative even if it is shit like 2-3 pints with friends at a pub 2-3 a week or wine glass with but people (myself included) cannot stop often, especially if unhappy. Still I haven't been that bad this year, only drunken af nights thus far with no alcohol in between

>>76304709
>But now , why drink just to get rejected? To get blasted on social media? Everyone is so eager to whip their phone out for a worldstar! moment , that scares a LOT of weak guys out of the market because frankly they just didn't have the money , the average guy has less money and can't even move out of his moms house to take a girl back too, so whose he drinking/poisoning himself for?
Smartphones/social media/ubiquitous cameras really did destroy society.

t. old enough to have partied before that shit was around, when what happened at the party stayed at the party so people were actually open and free and sociable.

>>76304950
They do but Gen Alpha hasn't even hit middle school yet, give it some time. Millenials seethe because they're in this 10-year timeframe where their generation isn't young anymore and their culture is universally deemed weak, fake, superficially consumerist and cringe.
When zoomers hit 30's they will take that position.

>>76304527 (OP)
gen z doesn't go to the gym though.

>>76304953
what drugs can i do then besides steroids, alcohol and cigarettes wtf

>>76304683
Wait until you say something negative about weed around stoners, they start mega coping immediately

>>76304715
>just hanging out with some friends from the neighborhood on a weekend m, getting into teenaged antics like underaged drinking
>”he must mean a house party”
What he described was a very typical weekend for young adults 20 or 25 years ago.

I heard a couple of things about this that might be relevant.

1) Price
Young people don't have a lot of money and booze is an unnecessary expense

2) Surveillance culture
Everyone films everything at any given moment, especially young people.
Would you be confident enough to be relaxed enough to get drunk when anyone can film you and upload the footage online?
There's a great fear of this happening amongst the young.

>>76305575
>t. faggot millennial simp calling others faggots
You buy drinks for used up roasties and beg them for a whiff of minge. You think this makes you Chad?

>>76306091
>young adults 20 or 25 years ago.
And it's still is, it's you people that are disconnected from real life and too old go know teenager spots (which would be equally concerning if you knew them)

>>76306114
Why was a typical weekend equated to a house party? The implication was that hanging out and drinking was only common at the latter.

>>76306114
>hanging out and drinking was very common
>”it still is”
Wrong.

Alcohol consumption is down by an absurd degree. It is not as common as it was.

>>76304527 (OP)
This is flat out wrong and telling
Ugly old millennials who only hang out with their boomer coworkers at dive bars thinking gen z dont party is hilarious
We just arent as low IQ and subhuman as millenials, so we don't post our nude drunk girlfriends on Vine or StateSnaps like you cucked faggots did
I go to a party or club every weekend, but most of us prefer to drink very lightly and smoke weed. Nobody gets shitfaced for attention like low iq older gens did

>>76305759
>Going to a party and "hanging out" and drinking for no other reason seems like pure degeneracy
It is, I have a 'friend group' I haven't seen in a while because every time we hang out, all they want to do is play drinking games, hit their nicotine/weed vapes, and listen to music/watch shows.
I get bored after 30min of that shit and after, I just feel like a disgusting retard the next day. Frying my brain and getting fucked up used to be fun when I was in my teens/early 20s but now I'm too old for that shit.
Don't mind having a drink once in a while but it seems like people are either boring teetotalers or completely insane reckless degenerates, there's no moderation

>>76306117
Ask the other anon that's not my problem
>>76306125
More oldhead unbacked claims. Everything you guys spew on here is a fantasy fueled by terminally online xitter memes

>>76306141
kek, you sure are le high iq generation

>>76304762
>The only way to move past this factory of artificial suffering is to change the central axis point of this culture from comparison (which we know is the thief of joy), to something eternal.
Beautiful anon. Unfortunately it's not gonna happen on a cultural/societal level because it's not profitable for out current system that requires constant consooming. It must be a personal decision.

>>76306147
>unbacked claims
I really have to post proof of something that common knowledge? How out of the loop are you? God damn.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/509690/young-adults-drinking-less-prior-decades.aspx

>>76306181
>news.gallup
anon...

>>76306181
It's only common knowledge amongst 4chan incels.
>That link
No wonder most gen y are leftist cucks KEK you guys are gullible

>>76306189
>the source BAD!
Such a faggot fucking response. It’s a Gallup poll. What, you think they’re biased again… drinking trend information regarding Gen Z? Get the fuck out, fag.

>>76304527 (OP)
Where is this perception that Gen Z lifts stemming from? What you see on social media is NOT representative of Gen Z as a whole. 18% of Gen Z has a gym membership or gym available to them, 32% of Millenials have a gym membership or gym available to them. Gen Z has a greater proportion of obese individuals than Millenials. They are the most out of shape generation that's ever existed. It's not even a question, it's a fact. Drinking is primarily a social activity, that's why they drink less. Honestly Gen Z makes me genuinely sad, I had such high hopes for them

>>76304675
>i don't know any zoomers younger than 25 that smoke weed though.
Thank god.
I hate weed. It's used by losers and smells like shit.

>>76306199
Why are you having a meltdown when you could simply bring a better source or study. Are you too high up your farts to react well to simple adversity against your worldviews ?

>>76304527 (OP)
I've seen what alcohol and drug use does to people and I don't want any part of it. Enjoy your SSRIs.

>>76306219
Why are you insisting on being an oppositional faggot and denying that Gallup is a reasonable source on this topic? “I don’t like it” isn’t criticism or apt suspicion, it’s just cringe.

>>76306314
Not only is it a shit source but it also doesn't pertain to the bigger picture of "socializing while drinking" or "drinking as a social activity".
All it says is that gen y are degenerate subhumans who have no concept of "moderation"
>Furthermore, fewer young drinkers today (22%) than in the 2000s or 2010s (28%) report they sometimes drink “more than they think they should.”
>fewer than four in 10 young adults (38%) now appear to be regular drinkers, on par with older adults (40%) but trailing middle-aged adults (48%). This pattern is a change from two decades ago when younger adults were the most likely to be regular drinkers and older adults the least.

>>76306328
The claim: alcohol consumption is down
The retort: you have no proof.

Proof is then posted.

The cope: source bad!
More cope: it does t say why!

Yeah, you’re a fag.

>>76304527 (OP)
Women no longer have to go to bars/clubs in hopes of meeting chad. She could do that on Tinder.

>>76304527 (OP)
Bro gym culture among Gen Z isn't as popular as you think, there is actual data showing their generation has the highest obesity rate - they're the most of shape generation. You're just seeing a very vocal minority plastered all over social media, who don't represent the generation as a whole

Among those who do lift I'd like to see how they fair in adulthood. Any anons who work full time can tell you, how much harder it is to get in gym when you have a real job vs when you're still a student and only work part time. A lot of people get filtered out by the workplace, stop going to gym and get fat. So I wonder how the gym broccoli head zoomers, who generally seem weak willed, will manage

>>76306164
By every objective measure, we are.
https://repository.ukim.mk/bitstream/20.500.12188/25674/1/CIIT_2022_5.pdf#:~:text=From%20Table%20IV%20we%20can%20see%20that,is%20101.03%2C%20the%20difference%20being%201.79%20points.&text=Although%20millennial%20and%20generation%2Dz%20people%20are%20not,Z%2C%20already%20experiences%20gains%20in%20general%20intelligence.

Cope, brainlet faggot

>>76306427
>there is actual data showing their generation has the highest obesity rate
I find that hard to believe considering that Baby Boomers/Xers have the highest rates of obesity (obesity percentages increase with age until you get to the point where fat people start dying off early)

>>76304953
>Marijuana has a comparable level of harm to user as huffing butane

>>76306427
>there is actual data showing their generation has the highest obesity rate
According to no one

>>76306090
no they dont

>>76304527 (OP)
Most zoomers just hang out in discord calls

>>76304527 (OP)
No one talks about how fucking expensive alcohol is

>>76306480
Kek true. People will complain about cost of living, and how it's supposedly expensive to eat healthy, while spending hundreds on alcohol every month

>>76306091
lol old man, struck a nerve?

>>76304709
>>76305854
>>76305986
Yep. Smartphones are insane in how destructive they have been in such a short time.
Nothing comes close.

>>76304527 (OP)
Will this pathetic 40 year old larping griftnigger commit suicide already, I've never seen a more obvious virgin

>>76304806
>30 year old
He said Gen Z

>>76306470
>>76304683
lol stoners

>>76307166
>all these fake benefits of weed
lol delusional sods

>>76307166
just had a guy in another thread saying wine is healthy lol

>>76307220
true and based

>>76305634
This guy knows the truth

>>76304803
>I saw it on the news
They're becoming their parents.

>>76304527 (OP)
>no one is drinking alcohol anymore!!
>ok hold my beer
>alcohol is GOOD for you now
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-drop-guidance-limit-alcohol-one-or-two-drinks-per-day-sources-say-2025-06-18/

>>76304527 (OP)
Just not into it. E-dating killed bars and the social aspects (sex seeking) that was underpinning most drinking. Also the increased availability and lower cost of almost every other drug is a big part.

>>76304953
Holy shit, a 15 on the "Harm to user" scale!

>>76304527 (OP)

I think it's also because booze is a depressant and Gen Z is already depressed af

>>76304527 (OP)
>DARE worked
>except weed is legal now so that's cool
>zoomers don't go outside because of phones
>everything is so cutthroat and bullshit now there's no room to fuck around like people did in the past
my parents didn't drink and I knew if I got into some drunken accident I'd be fucked for life

im a zoomer and im plastered right now. Im not even reading this gay thread

Why is 21 the legal drinking age and why hasn't a single president ever lowered it to 18

He's right though gen z doesn't socialize at least not in real life

>>76304527 (OP)
I dont care, they're extremely racist and politically incorrect which is a good trade off

>>76304527 (OP)
I'm a zoomer and we all did shit like that. He means gen alpha I guess

>>76306427
Where are you getting these statistics, China? If anything its probably you millennials little fags playing on the nintendo switch and going to disney instead of lifting

>>76307772
Kids are all getting fatter and fatter because parents don't give a shit, some of the parents are visually healthy not fat but their kids are round balls rolling around. It's the same thing all over.

>>76304675
Well nobody said 0 zoomers drink

>>76306953
30 years old is gen Z

>>76305671
that sounds good until you realize that nobody in the world <30 lives "purely offline" given the popularity of smart phones, social media so yes even normies are going to see redpill/blackpill stuff on their tiktok

Nobody meets "friends of friends" anymore.

Jewish social programming made any non-normal behavior seem like a problem that needed to be cast out or outright bullied, so each group has people that are extremely similar in interest and there is too little wiggle room for eccentric people.

Unless your of the very outgoing type, but then again wtf are you doing here.

Like in the past you could hang out with people or with groups of people you didn't necessarily like and it was tolerable, made good memories.

Now that is impossible. Most people gotta like each other and there is no space to be truly yourself, so you follow the latest goyslop programming to keep up and be fake af.

>>76307903
1995 & 1996 are the Zillennial years

>>76307763
oldest gen alphas are 15

>>76307741
Nixon lowering it in 1971 and it led to more drunk driving deaths for 16-20 year olds so Reagan raised it back again in 1984

>>76307957
It’s not like some magical transformation happens on a particular hour. Zillenial is a zoomer

>>76304527 (OP)
drugs and alcohol if for losers, no thanks

>>76307986
>It’s not like some magical transformation happens on a particular hour.
given how people define and treat these arbirtary generational divides, that's literally how it works.

>>76304953
>meth does less harm to others than marijuana
lol cmon now

>>76308059
Maybe (but not really) if everyone agreed on a particular timespan

>>76304762
>>76304780
>>76306172
Counterpoint; Humans are biological social creatures, and trying to eliminate the natural mentality of comparison and competition is antithetical to human nature.

High school party culture is objectively stupid as you've outlined, but that doesn't stop incels and betas from seething at the fact that they were excluded from it.
No amount of 'convincing' will make it sting any less for them. It's not about whether parties are productive, it's about the natural human distaste for social exclusion.

For a human to, as you put it;
>move past this factory of artificial suffering
then they would have to deny their humanity itself, because comparison and social competition IS THE CENTERPIECE of humanity.

You can't convince a bird not to fly, even if they isn't anywhere for the bird to go.
You can't convince a dog not to run around the house in circles when it's excited.
And you can't convince ANY ANIMAL out of falling into their natural biological mechanisms.

The only people who subscribe to what you say are chuds, incels, and warped minds. People who are so clinically off the deep end of isolation and hatred that they need to cope by convincing themselves that they can exist as "lone wolves" and don't actually need social attention and positive affirmation from others.
It's a lie.

The true answer is to just win the competition through whatever means you can. Some people really are just fucked.

>>76308184
>human nature
You define what this is, not Darwinism, not psychology, not other people. Ask yourself, what is I? What do you identify with?
You speak of "the competition". Who sets the rules for this competition. What are you competing for?
Comparison and competition is not the centerpiece of my human experience. It is connection, it is cooperation, it is expansion, it is eternity itself.

>On average x group is doing less of y
>UUUUH BUT I KNOW X THAT DOES Y?
Genuinely low IQ retards kek

>>76308232
Exactly this

>>76308184
You are conflating Socialization/human interaction (neutral) with competition and relativisim (negative). The former is part of human nature, while the latter is just one expression of it.
You are just so conditioned into only viewing human interaction from the competitive paradigm that you've convinced yourself it is in some way essential to us as a species.
Many groups and individuals have proven otherwise.

>>76308287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12zSSfHN2o0

>>76304527 (OP)
I don't go out because my parents track my every move on life 360. Yes I am 22. No I don't have a job

>>76304527 (OP)
As a zoomer I've heard others call my generation puritanical but I don't think I've ever met a fellow zoomer that doesn't drink. I personally don't but not because of the gym but because I never liked the idea of getting drunk or the taste.

>>76304886
>Remember this is the 'generation' that believes you will get skin cancer by going outside for 10 minutes without sunscreen.
I mean, to be fair, any amount of sun kinda fucks you up.

my local grocery store just had a big ordeal about a lady caved in and sold to teens who pressured her. but i live in a rural area. idk what you city slickers are doing

Biden made beers too expensive

>>76307166
LMAO dude is a walking stereotype
took him 1 min to start posting some inforgraph he has saved

>>76304808
there is a drinking speed between shitfaced and teetotal. Its called moderation. Moderate alcohol consumption is healthy, it thins out your blood, lowers blood pressure and stress levels, and is proven to reduce arterial narrowing and heart disease. Have a nice glass of tawny port and go on with your night. Not complicated.

>>76308565
>Moderate alcohol consumption is healthy
no it isn't
I'm not saying to not drink it, but you're delusional if you think it's healthy[
don't come at me with the "anti-oxidants" bullshit, that's the body reacting to venom

>>76307220
Like, just a glass a day or any amount?

>>76308562
rare biden w

>>76307679
>>DARE worked
lol
lmao even
DARE was a hard failure

>>76306737
Smartphones are a tool, you can destroy your life with it or just call people once in a while, up to you. Fear of missing out is the real driver, along with adhd from brain damage (vaccines, pfoas, pcbs, heavy metals, emf, head trauma, take your pick something in the environment changed)

>>76308590
>you can destroy your life with it or just call people once in a while, up to you.
What's not up to you is whether everyone else in society lives their lives on their phones too.

>>76304675
My zoomer friends drink occasionally but the biggest thing I see is either weed or vapes.
t.23

>>76308573
which part of 'relaxes blood vessels and slows heart disease while thinning the blood' is complicated for you? Heres a graphic a middle school child could understand.

>>76307732
Most based post itt

>>76308610
i choose to engage people in conversation, and they choose not to use their phones while I talk to them because I have interesting things to say, because I do interesting things instead of using my phone all the time.

>>76306204
>had high hopes for them
We missed the great splooge of the 90s and inherited a surveillance state and a 20+ year old war the first year of the new millenia. Coupled with smartphones and everything being made to break now what chance did we have?

>>76308387
>>76308232
This is not true.
Our entire biology evolved from social competition. Competition for mates, for resources, and for power.

There has been no group in human history where everyone is equal in power, ability, skillset, and social influence. All of these things are BIOLOGICALLY HARDWIRED into us to be sought after (salience network in the brain), and not everyone can have it.

The entire basis of sexual species lies in the evolutionary benefits of asymmetry. In species where offspring quantity is more important (like spiders and bees), the women are larger and stronger. In species where offspring quality is important (primates and humans), males are larger.
In humans, not only are males larger, but they are demonstrably more hormonally competitive. They historically competed for dominance and mates, while women were tasked with choosing and bonding with one.

This is what I mean by "human nature".
Competition and relativism IS HUMAN NATURE.
It's not a negative version of it, or a corruption of it, it simply IS what it is.

Obviously, having empathy for victims, and encouraging equality is also technically human nature since humans clearly do it, but it isn't BIOLOGICALLY what we evolved to do.

You can't run from competition. It is essential to life. There are winners and losers, especially when it comes to social dynamics and mates.

Mate guarding, neurological feedback loops, the salience network's subconscious programming, and more. All of these are HUMAN NATURE in it's most absolute form. You cannot deny competition.

Even in monogamous civil societies competition exists. Wealth, power, dominance, popularity, and strength are all still heavily desired despite every social movement in the world trying to suggest otherwise (like yours). Women are still highly selective, men are still highly competetive, Chads are still loving life and incels are still mad as shit. These will never change no matter what.

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>>76308738
>casually shatters the argument

>>76304729
Gen Z doesn't drink because they are really young. The oldest zoomer is only 27 years old. Some people may drink at a young age at parties and stuff, but most people take up in their late 20's and 30's to cope with the stress of adulthood. Zoomers are still babies. They aren't there yet.

>>76308750
Boomers started drinking at 13 years old dude

>>76308715
>Our entire biology evolved from social competition
I'm under firm conviction that biology is modulated by behavioral orientation.

>>76308750
This is the stupidest comment imaginable. If someone isn't drinking in their mid-20's they're not suddenly going to take it up in their 30's.

>>76308750
White zoomers are not only less likely than White Xers, Millennials, and Baby Boomers to die from Drugs and deaths of despair but less likely than their non White peers. White adults of all ages were way more likely to die from drugs and alcohol with no doubt until the mid 2010s and still are among adults aged over 35 but among the youngest millennials and oldest zoomers overdose deaths are plummeting

>>76304527 (OP)
they don't have jobs. they have no reason to drink.

>>76308750
i just basically stole your post and condensed it down into two sentences.

>>76304527 (OP)
>Is the popularity of gym culture the reason that Gen Z don't drink as much?
No, it is because they never developed good socialisation skills. This adversely affects most areas of life as you become an adult.
When you can only communicate by using a smart device, you are literally fucked.

>>76304715
>no one is throwing house parties
what house?
I go to some friends house parties, I ddidnt throw my own cause I had no way to throw them.

I was basically a Zoomer before Zoomers; dont drink, lots of gym, no hope in life.
The answer to all these questions is economics. The air has been sucked out of the room & idiots are arguing details. The last gasp of a dying people before being replaced.

>>76308802
replaced by? brown bois are even bigger incels and 60% of Black or Hispanic girls are obese/overweight by 15-16

>>76304527 (OP)
>gen z aren't socialising
Fine take but not really true
>we were sneaking around drinking with dodgy families and strangers and thats what the youth is missing!
Being drunk isn't socialising.

>>76308565
>Moderate alcohol consumption is healthy
https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health

>>76308565
>Moderate alcohol consumption is healthy
Complete myth. The so-called "French paradox" is now considered to be due to factors other than alcohol.

>>76308850
fake news, booze rules, 4 more years

>>76308715
If bugs are beta for living under women what do you have to say to an anglerfish or a shark?

>>76304527 (OP)
Zoomers take pills n shit. Also why would they get drunk? To socialize on Roblox?

>>76307962
just old enough to drink

>>76307732
gigabased

>>76304527 (OP)
>No parties
>Islamisation
Gym culture plays a part but it's probably a small one.

>>76308626
but... how much is "little" here? a ripe banana might have 1-3 g of alcohol already

>>76308715
These retarded anaons dont understand the gravity of what you say friend, but I get it. thousands of years of philosophy have tried to unseccessfully cope with what you just wrote.

One addendum that can give hope is that there are many avenues for competition. Being at the top of some niche video gaming scenes or having a good body in a community where that's valued can still have you win the competition even if global society thinks you're mid.

Less clubs and people going out less means you don't really have much reason or possibility to go out for a drink and to meet people.

>>76308387
Not essential but inevitable. People make everything into a dick measuring contest. I don’t do that but the people around me do and you can’t change a normie’s programming.

>>76307604
And now E-dating sucks ass, so now there is no way for lonely men to get a gf unless they have a large friend group for more contacts.

>>76307925
This. Strangers don't talk with each other much anymore.

>>76307227
There aren't stoner societies though

>>76308715
Competition is human nature but so is the realization that pure competition is recklessly self-destructive and ultimately leads to a lot of unnecessary dead people. The entire point of the social contract is to channel competitive drives into means and methods that will ultimately promote general well being instead of ending up with thugs on the street and blades in the dark.
Women can and will thirst after Chad but even the smart Chads realize how this activity, how the average man being unable to start a family and thus buy into long term success, undermines the fabric of society and thus reasonable safety. Thus why every society in human history up until now implemented strict social controls about courtship and pairing come as close to "fair" as reasonably possible given the unavoidable nature and politicking.

>>76306090
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>>76304675
>>76304527 (OP)
Any zoomer knights templar groups?

>>76308921
Never said bugs are 'beta'. The role of a male bug is just different than that of a male primate. They prioritize reproductive QUANTITY, while we prioritize reproductive QUALITY.

male anglerfish serve the woman, while male primates compete for the woman.
There's a big difference there. Neither is alpha or beta, we're talking about 2 completely different classes of life.

>>76304686
You don’t even know who hoemath is. He’s pretty based.

>>76304709
> To get blasted on social media? Everyone is so eager to whip their phone out for a worldstar! moment
This can’t be understated. It’s not filming rejections. It’s everything. Funny moments, fights, just being drunk and clumsy, whatever. Everyone wants to record it and that shit can haunt you later.

>>76309924
What you are saying is that natural human competition is savage and destructive, which is why social controls about courtship exist.

This implies that the only thing keeping humans from tearing each other to pieces over sex and power are social laws. This is false.

Humans ARE NOT polygynous like gorillas are. There isn't one dominant alpha that gets all the power and bitches while the betas serve the tribe in submission.
Humans are also not as promiscuous as chimps, where a single alpha male chimp is unable to guard the females, and all the mate with all women like an orgy (unlike gorillas).

Humans are neither of polygynous (one man gets all women), but are also not extremely promiscuous (compared to chimps). This is because human women are more vulnerable than either of those species. Human pregnancy is THE HARDEST pregnancy of all mammals.
The women are required to seek a man who is biologically dominant but also able and willing to provision and protect her. This is extremely rare, which is why cheating is common but true biological promiscuity is virtually absent, and so is alpha/beta type polygyny.

The social codes of monogamy aren't contradictory to this biology.

Competition for mates and social power is not undermined by social codes. It still demonstrably exists, just not in the form of violence. It's been replaced by economics, influence, and of course...
Being invited to to high school parties.

The social contract is not antithetical to competition, it is just one of the many elements of society that humans have to work around.
The money we earn in our hustles today is no different than the sticks and rocks our ancestors gathered in their hustles back then.

Social competition, jealousy, and comparison are all here to stay.
All the social contract does is just phase out the violence and murder and replace it with more complex ways of establishing value and dominance... but even then, murder and violence still do happen!

>>76308802
I'm a late millenial (94) and I too notice I started a lot of quirks that zoomers express nowadays back when zoomers were still teens or kids, I guess the term zillenial was not coined without a reason

>>76306217
>It's used by losers
where do you think you are nigga

>>76310082
you need some milk (therapy) my nigga

>>76304527 (OP)
Average and below male zoomers are blackpilled from runaway western hypergamy so they don't bother wasting money on pisswater since they know decent pussy is off the table. The social zoomers I see when I'm out seem to prefer hard drugs like ketamine and consider alcohol to be a shitty drug. They tend to nurse a beer all night while rolling. I can't say that I blame them.

>>76308637
What interesting things do you partake in? For me it's just basketball and hiking

>>76307679
DARE did nothing besides introduce people to drugs they'd never have heard of before, planting the seed of curiosity early.

>>76304527 (OP)
no it's because they are all incel loners who have parasocial relationships with streamers instead of friendships

>>76308715
>[Having empathy for victims] isn't BIOLOGICALLY what we evolved to do.
Uhh, I'm not sure how you figure that one. It's a clearly advantageous feature displayed in many mammals.

>>76310021
>he’s pretty b-ACK!

>>76311459
Jesus Christ.

>>76305872
>No. It's anime. Every zoomer grew up watching anime, which subtly instilled traditional values in them, like modesty, purity, chastity, etc. So they see clubbing or bar-hopping and getting shitfaced as degenerate (correctly).
underrated take

>>76304953
Porn should be number 1 desu

>>76307925
>tfw fell for the "be your own individual" meme, and don't have a friend group.

>>76311501
Yeah it's harm to others is off the scale but not much to the user

>>76304686
>>76311459
>>76304527 (OP)
guy sounded like a young cocky chad from his youtube videos. no idea he was a 40 yo incel lol

>>76311647
Are you now realizing all the based chad posting is a larp?

>>76311459
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>>76311647
Kek, the average 50yo passport boomer that bags some filipina monkey to have his sons has more will and vitality than this guy.

>>76311481
Its a wrong take zoomers party hard and sleep around like crazy. At least the girls and the guys who are outside.

>>76311427
You're right. I phrased it shitty.
I meant in respect to having the willingness to put others first, not empathy as a whole.

If anything, empathy is part of what allows people to be more competitive, as shown in chimps who rebel and form their own alliances with lesser individuals

>>76311929
nigga that’s like make an astute observation about how the women at the red light district are having sex for money. the main hubs for casual sex havers are bars, clubs and dating apps but it’s the norm. most zoomers are not sleeping around like crazy. the promiscuous exceptions skew the data

>>76308626
shit info graph because that's low compared against high consumption. now show one that has the no alcohol control group and i guarantee it will out perform both the low and high consumption samples. this also doesn't account for the fact people that drink low amounts of alcohol are probably already in better health than those who drink high amounts, and those who drink high have conditions due to high consumption. shit graph, made for goy brainlets to convince them to drink the poison.

>>76304527 (OP)

It is likely so because society has been turning far more of a nanny-state which raised them with limited means to learn how to handle and mange risk combined with the fact that the younger the zoomer the more they have been glued to a screen in their developmental years which fried their brains so much that they cannot handled anything that involves delayed gratification. The gym for these types is more so a medium for them to get attention via social media rather than anything of self-improvement.