Thread 76313859

Could an above average gymbro beat a female BJJ black belt in grappling?

Maybe, weight is a big gap. I'm a blue belt and weight and athleticism > my little knowledge of the game if the guy is hungry

Same weight? No.

>>76313859 (OP)
yes. women are pathetically weak.

>>76313859 (OP)
Probably.

>>76313859 (OP)
this is such a gay sport

>>76314019
This is such a shameful way to fight. How can he do it, with thousands of people watching.

>>76313859 (OP)
butt crack

>>76314190
girls poop and fart from there
its literally the dirtiest place in a human and you stick your tongie in there
enjoy getting one or multiple diseases for literally ingesting shit particles

>>76313859 (OP)
not in a gi

>>76314195
Your gf doesnt wipe her ass?

>>76313859 (OP)
No. But give him 6 months of training, then yes.

>>76314175
I don't remember this fight, but I hope Overroids beat him to a bloody pulp as punishment for that faggotry.

>>76314019
can't he just kick him on the ground?

>>76314239
Not anymore. Used to be a legal move in PRIDE but they were too based to exist and got bought out

>>76313859 (OP)
In a proper BJJ match the girl would likely win. Anything goes? The man could lift her, slam her down and knock her unconscious

>>76314261
So you're invincible while being on the ground or what?

>>76314269
In UFC if you are standing and your opponent is on the ground you can step back and the ref will stand them up. If they refuse to stand up it’s a DQ, they can go back to the ground though once you engage again though

>>76314277
so grappling is the only skill that counts because you can just end every other engagement by throwing yourself on the ground

>>76313859 (OP)
Im probably better than most mid mid high range bjj guys and i never went to a single class

>>76314281
Not exactly, people like to cry about BJJ but the fighters who rely entirely on it are regularly BTFO. I’m on my phone otherwise I’d have some webm examples

>>76314239
Depends on the rules of the promotion.
Pride and One: Yes
Ufc and western promotions: No

>>76314281
>because you can just end every other engagement by throwing yourself on the ground
They don't exploit this too much because it'll go to judge's scoring if all 3 or 5 rounds end without a finish. But yeah, some variation of wrestling or BJJ have been the meta for a long time. Striking is still very important cos you need to have something to rely on if your gameplan fails but getting the fight on the ground is plan A for a lot of the top level guys from some parts of the world

>>76313859 (OP)
I used to do bjj and wrestled with some women and it wasnt even fair. The strength difference is huge. It's like night and day.

>>76313859 (OP)
average gymbro will have like 20 kg advantage over a bjj girl, she won't be able to take him down in the first place

if you say you do competitive BJJ. I just think you're a professional cocksucker.

>>76314316
>>76314319
noooooo please don’t beat me up with your smelly feet and sweaty body

>>76314019
>>76314261
fighting sports are so retarded I swear even karate is starting to look better in my view. At least they don't get hit in the head constantly.
Also wrestling, judo are not fighting.

Depends on what kind of grappling. Focus on technique instead of ooga booga me strong? Sure. Both being bloodlusted and without bjj rules? Then he just slams her into the ground breaking her neck.

>>76314319
If this is a spot she does every match, her knees are gonna go bye-bye real soon

>>76313859 (OP)
>Could an above average gymbro beat a female BJJ black belt in grappling?
grappling or for real street fighting to win? Punch/kick the woman at full power and she instantly regret trying.

>>76313859 (OP)
>>76314351
>>76314352
>>76314353
I'm so touch-starved bros.

>>76314351
>>76314352
>>76314353
what are these videos of guys limp noodling and dead weighting while women go 110% just to struggle to move them around supposed to signify?

>>76314352
thats clearly an acting/stunt class
>>76314353
literally porn

>>76314378
And then fedor choked him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85GxcPvtYBE

>>76314378
> the animation of his erection

>>76313859 (OP)
No but it would take him less than a month of training to beat a female black belt and if the male black belts are dyels like the average bjjfag is it would only take him a year of training to catch up to the male black belts.
If the gymbro is really strong it takes even less time but if they are in a actually good gym where the males train with weights aswell then it would take him way longer.
Average guy going to a bjj take 5-10 years on average to get a black belt but someone that is already strong would take 1-3 years to get one.

>>76313859 (OP)

Not a chance and people saying otherwise are talking out of their asses. A female blue belt, maybe. But black belt is 10-20 years of experience and that includes spending a lot of time on the mat rolling with all body types, including, yes, big huge strong aggressive young men walking in off the street for their first day of class. By 2-4 years in (blue belt for most people regardless of gender) you have already choked different versions of that guy out many times over. By purple belt you have done that 100x more and acquired many more options for dealing with bigger people, from takedowns to leg locks. Purple to black belt is yet another five to ten years of experience depending on the trainee and in that time you are not really adding new techniques to the repertoire, but honing timing, off-balancing, strategic, and technique-chaining skills to become more and more effective when option A doesn't work.

Would you beat a female Judoka black belt as an untrained male? No, you would not.

Would you beat a female wrestling champion as an untrained male? No, you would not.

There is a really easy test if you want to find out if I'm right about this, or if a bunch of guys who don't train anything other than their internet commenting skills are right: walk into your local BJJ gym and challenge a female black belt to spar. For fun add that you don't think she can beat you because of her sex. You will be humiliated.

People who do train all know that even experienced people from other grappling styles get wrecked trying to hang with upper BJJ belts of either sex their first day of class. After a few months or years of training submissions it's a different story. World-class athletes are the exception and have their own set of rules - but you are probably also not a world-class athlete, so it's irrelevant.

>>76313859 (OP)
beat?

>>76314366

Trained versus untrained always looks like this. "Getting ragdolled" is a real thing. Also happens between men. Let's address the first clip of the house party (girl with the white shirt) and leave the other two out since it's not clear the man in those is actually resisting.

Here is what you're seeing in the house party clip, broken down.

Girl in the white top is using what is called "pressure." She is setting the pace of the fight by taking meaningful grips. Her partner is not making meaningful grips but taking any grip he can which is why he gets fucked up (untrained people all do this). She probably has about 4-5 years of training based on her movement. That is plenty, as you can see by the outcome.

From the very first engagement she controls the inside space (note how she pummels her left hand inside his to deny his grip, switches to a collar tie to control his head, and then is able to set up the takedown without his hands being in the way to block her). He grabs a meaningless headlock trying to stop her from taking him down as she turns the corner which actually helps her, again, this is something untrained people always do--they take dumb grips and cling onto them for dear life because they don't know how to actually stop their opponent from imposing their will. What he should have done is sprawl and he should have done it when she was changing levels and not after she grabbed his fucking leg and the train had left the station, but again, he is untrained and probably overconfident because she's a girl.

She continues turning the corner, he is stubborn and scrambles/wrestles up to his feet which was tactically okay but strategically worthless because he did not turn back into her at any point and regain his control/posture and she simply kept turning the corner and eventually was able to take his back and mat return him (the second takedown), after which the rear naked choke became a foregone conclusion.

>>76314588

(cont'd) so putting it all together. She is shorter than him, weighs less, and has less testosterone. Knowing what to do was enough for her to set the pace, control the inside space, control her opponent's posture and take him down twice, take his back, and submit him.

If you think any other outcome is probable when there is a large skill gap, you are wrong and you are wrong specifically because you don't train.

>>76313859 (OP)
Sure, might makes right and no matter your technique if you are against some twice your height and weight lmao.
Women are absurdly weaker than men.

>>76313859 (OP)
>in grappling
Loses 9-1 at least unless he's so huge that she physically can't choke him or lever his legs, and she gives up eventually (and before he gasses, or falls for a newbie trap)
>>76313863
>athleticism
He said gymbro so I assume some guy who just lifts, and is not actually athletic
>>76314269
Under the common western ("Unified") MMA rules, you can't kick or stomp to the head of a grounded opponent
In some rulesets (PRIDE FC rules particularly) you could, and it sometimes worked (gif related)
But sometimes didn't and you would get wrapped up and stuck grappling anyway
>>76314588
Iirc she was a purple belt at the time, there's a few videos of her grappling random guys, her name was known, even where she trained, a 10th planet I think

>>76314019
Absolutely pathetic

>>76313859 (OP)
With no former training? No. We have a ~130lb purple belt at our gym who every time a new gym bro would drop in for a class our instructor will have him roll with her. Usually, she taps them 3-4 times in a 5 minute roll. It's a good way to weed out ego fags because if you can't take a whooping on your first class you likely won't last very long anyways because your ego gets in the way. Conversely, level headed people get humbled, see the "magic" at work, and get hooked immediately.

MMA > BJJ
Nobody is going to follow the rules when a scrap starts

>>76314679
That's a clear form of indoctrination through humiliation, you're all likely weak bullies

>>76313859 (OP)
>>76314019
>>76314335
Modern UFC rules are an absolute joke of a pussified sport. You win by points by hugging someone on the ground for 15 minutes.

Early UFC and Japanese MMA rules is where the real fighting is/was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj3H4aXxAvQ

>>76314712
>You win by points by hugging someone on the ground for 15 minutes.
why doesn't the guy on bottom just stand up then, if he can?
retard

>>76314195
>enjoy
I will.

>>76314351
I have 9 months nogi experience I would low diff ts huzz

>>76314730
because he loves being on the floor, he has a black belt in floor karate and he's looking for a homoplapa submission

UFC and MMA built itself on being NO RULES and REAL FIGHTING which it was for a while but now it's just a glorified wrestling league.

Imagine trying to roll around on the sidewalk in a real fight.

>>76314019
You can’t kick someone while they’re facing you even if you tried. You’d get swept very quickly. The top guy is just backing off because he’s scared and doesn’t know how to pass.

>>76314763
>You can’t kick someone while th-ACK

BJJ literally doesn't work, they just fake it for the camera

>>76313859 (OP)
Bjj is low entry low skill so yes

BJJ isn't even the dominant grappling sport in MMA even though all the rules favor it, now it's all wrestlers and grapplers and honestly has been for the last like 15 years.

No wonder the gracies kept all serious grapplers out of early UFCs and subsequently got humbled in PRIDE.

>>76313859 (OP)
Depends on the size difference -- even Dustin Poirier couldn't get out from under Brian Shaw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9utftVimlhI

>>76314771
while they're on the ground, obviously. please improve your reading comprehension

>>76314786

BJJ is the foundation for all modern MMA and every MMA gym in the country teaches it. Gi jiu jitsu has evolved divergently and is a separate sport at this point but all modern submission grappling descends from BJJ and to say otherwise is a very weird take.

>>76314351
He was playing, she was not.

>>76314352
Fake.

>>76314353
Porn scene.

>>76314293
>the fighters who rely on it entirely are regularly BTFO.
That's the case with literally every combat sport.
Try going into the Octagon only knowing how to box and not being able to defend takedowns or grapple at all, see how far that gets you.

>>76314787
>Dustin Poirier
Well, he is an uber manlet (remember the UFC adds at least an inch to their stated height)

>>76313859 (OP)
>in grappling
Probably not
The exprience difference make a massive impact on the ground.
The man in question would have a functionally worse reaction time if he doesn't know about arm bars or heelhooks

This all goes out the window if he has his first white belt stripe
at that point the experience difference isn't big enough to overcome the strength difference

Nobody ITT trains in any combat sport

>>76315123
I did 2 years tkd as a kid a 1 year bjj as adult.
Also thanks for saying "trains in" instead of "trains."

>>76313859 (OP)
finna nut to this later

>>76314812
Again, zoomer UFC baby rules. Someone like Wanderlei Silva built his career out of face-stomping and soccer-kicking floor-rollers in PRIDE.

>>76314821
and yet all the modern champions are almost exclusively guys named like Achmed Kahlakanishkakov who trained exclusively in Sambo. Even with the meme rules that prevents 12-6 elbows from the top which obviously favor BJJ.

BJJ has been getting exposed in MMA this last decade if not for longer.

Not to mention how McDojo it's become where every strip mall has a Gracie gym, with no actual Gracie in it.

>>76314283
I'm in St Louis, do you want to find out? Open invite if anyone's free Wednesday at 7pm CST

Oh yeah and that girl black belt is beating all your asses unless you've grappled before.

>>76313859 (OP)
Are all BJs so fucking slow?

>>76314763
>>76314812
BOOM.

>>76315327
Bullshit, I carry a gun. She comes at me, she's going to learn something about reality. It's not a game.

>>76313859 (OP)
This can't be a real sport. You got one girl trying to strangle the girls hand while the other is pulling her pants down

>>76315403
thanks for posting this classic, I couldn't be bothered to get it from my other drive. So many BJJ rollers got stomped to bits in PRIDE.

>>76314679
I would roll with a cute girl but only if nobody's watching us. I wouldn't get embarrassed if I lost (I have a femdom fetish so its all good) I'd get embarrassed because I'd get a boner in front of other people.

God I love me some bajayjay
Simple as

>>76314019
What a fucking pussy fighting style
>I'm going to dive at your legs, fail to bring you down, then just lay on my back

>>76314679
>m... MUH EGO
How is BJJ not a cult? Is the foot fungus you niggers share controlling your brains?

>>76315712
>Aifag
>Bjjfag
Couldn't be more obvious lmao.

>>76315752
You can't talk sense into the brainwashed anon.

>>76315758
Nah I stole it

>>76315752
It is a cult
But you get good
So you put up with it

>>76315758
Gracie Barra is like the worst school though so I'm not surprised by this result at all

>>76313859 (OP)
mister you'd better take your gay porn and walk right out of this board

>>76315788
HI, guy from last thread.

>>76315788
What bjj schools are good?

>>76316029
Atos, Pedigo, B Team, Danaher, alliance

Depends where you are in the world but these are the names you'll see putting guys into the big events these days.

>>76313859 (OP)
Yes, and i am tired of pretending otherwise

>>76315758
which ones which? Judo won? That was a pretty cool move at the end there

>>76315327
can you just choke me out? i wont fight

>>76313859 (OP)
Is it a good idea to join a bjj class just so I can feel a woman's touch? I'm so lonely, bros

>>76315123
I did several years of taekwondo through middle and high school with a guy who was an instructor for the worst korean army

>>76315758
I know no judo, is the foot movement on the throw supposed to be like that? The foot of the side you're throwing over moves in after the grounded foot moves towards it? Interesting if it is

>>76313859 (OP)
>Grappling
>Yeah bro you got to nicely stay here and let me mount you or wrap my legs around you like the rules say
>See I choked you with your reinforced collar! I win !
>Nooo you can't punch/pinch/gouge/bite/drag/stomp/slam me!!!! That's not grappling rules!

All these women training bjj will get absolutely wrecked by the average physically fit and athletic man. It's the modern day karate

>>76314302
It's not even just women. A lot of men are small and physically weak. Judo, bjj whatever isn't going to work if you've just been training a year or two and the guy is bigger and stronger. Yeah maybe if you train from child and olympic hopeful or something you may have a chance (that is if you don't get knocked out by the raging gorilla haymakers)

>all over the world cultures have a wrestling tradition where its basically guy who gets put on the floor first loses
>one martial art that is all about being on the floor

As OP only said grappling and not BJJ match ill say gymbro wins.

>>76316705
Still thinking that gymbro would win and rather easily, but OP said grappling, so gymbro cant just punch her after getting her to the ground.

>>76316575
It's not like competetive athlete gonna be weak, especially grappler. Sure 300 lbs powerlifter gonna be stronger then 190 lbs d1 wrestler but wrestler guy has special mat grappling strength and explosiveness on him besides obviously being much better fighter. He would clam fat guy on the floor or/and rip off his arms/legs

>>76313859 (OP)
Isn't grabbing clothes an instant ban at any self-respecting wrestling/grappling venue?

What the fuck is this?

>>76316928
The entire point of the gi is that it's there to grab.

>>76314019
Dumb rules remove the need for standing game

>>76316419
Yes judo won, bjj guys are terrible at standing throws

>>76315758
BJJ still hasn't learned https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3vTE88HW78E ayylmao. They get thrown immediately and then lose

>>76314316
>stirrup legwear
I will now join your mcdojo

>>76314763
>The top guy is just backing off because he’s scared and doesn’t know how to pass.
no, both are gassed and werdum didn't know how to grapple, was afraid of clinch fight

>>76313859 (OP)
Average gymbro can’t bench 2pl8 or squat 3, they fuck around doing half arsed hammer curls 90% lifted by their back. Jiu jitsu works. Yeah a 120kg roider is going to overpower a 60kg woman, but within a 10kg weight difference an untrained average gym bro would get pretzeled by a competitive black belt

>>76317073
Are you assuming a bjj match or any kind of grappling?

>>76314588
>>76314601
You don't take into account that the faggot was out of options as he could neither strike her or use execessive force against her because he knew that his outcome would off been worse than losing to her. He wasn't chad enough to get properly manhandled by her either and here we are again at that point some other anon mentioned that the girl goes 110% on this match while the guy finds out that he can't use more than 50% or he will get fucked

>>76314346
she is in a kinda front split move rather than a sidesplit

I feel like most men would be too mentally blocked to actually be serious against a woman in a fight. Like even if it was in the context of a fight both parties agreed to beforehand.

>>76317641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YQc-iSCZTs

>>76316567
>Nooo! You can't just bring a ladder onto the basketball court. It undermines the athleticism!
>Noooo, it's no longer football if you use a motor vehicle
>A sling isn't really part of your baseball uniform, it's not regulation

Do you even hear yourself and the way you talk about combat sports?

>>76315712
I'm not reading your post, I'm just adding MD5 of the image you posted to the filterlist

>>76314019
At this point what's stopping the non-bjj guy from pulling a Mario 64 move on floor fucker?

I can literally beat up anyone in this thread

>>76315215
>who trained exclusively in Sambo
Basically no one on earth trains exclusively in sambo.
All those dudes train a lot of wrestling too. For example Makachev and Khabib et al trained at AKA and did a lot of wrestling. These guys mostly didn't start doing their signature move very much, the wrist ride, til they moved to the USA.

Pantoja is a BJJ black belt.
Merab is a BJJ purple belt under Matt Sera.
JDM and Volk have Craig Jones as one of their BJJ coaches. Volk is a BJJ black belt. JDM is a BJJ black belt.
Makachev is only a white belt in BJJ but he has Javier Mendez as his BJJ coach.
Driccus Du Plessis' BJJ coach is Morne Visser. He is only a blue belt.
Ankalaev I couldn't find anything about him doing BJJ.
Tom Aspinall is a BJJ black belt.

>>76315215
>Someone like Wanderlei Silva built his career out of face-stomping and soccer-kicking floor-rollers in PRIDE.
Wanderlei Silva, the BJJ black belt?
Virtually those guys who got kicked/stomped in the head while grounded were basically already TKO'd. The problem is in PRIDE the reffing sucked and they stopped it too late.
Go watch it again.
It's not guys lying to guard and then getting kicked/stomped in the head.
It's guys getting stunned and then it happens.
It is extremely difficult to kick/stomp the head of a grounded opponent who is not stunned, provided they're any good. They simply put their feet on you to stop you.
I can't say the same for knees however.

>>76314670
Did that stomp even land? Hard to tell
He was dumb for not reacting. When the stomp comes he's supposed to lift his feet, and he simply chose not to.

>>76314239
The ruleset was invented to make bjj viable, so no.

>>76316705
>who gets put on the floor first loses
wrong
the three big styles of wrestling have you start some of the periods on the ground with the other guy behind you
wrestling and judo have ground game
freestyle and folkstyle you basically never stand upright. even in the neutral phase you're constantly going to the ground. basically every time you shoot you're going to the ground
even in greco they hit their knee often in the neutral phase, for bodylocks and duckunders

>>76317871
Totally backwards
Early UFC was run by the Gracies and was done to promote BJJ. And in this period of time almost everything was legal.
The rule changes roughly coincided with the Gracies selling the UFC and the UFC no longer having the aim to promote BJJ. And with a decline in BJJ. BJJ was the most dominant at first then wrestling became the most dominant.

Rounds harm BJJ. Restarts for inaction harm BJJ. BJJ is about gradual positional advancement, so restarts harm it.
BJJ prioritises getting behind your opponent. The ban on rabbit strikes hurts BJJ.
BJJ prioritises getting to dominant positions on the ground. The ban on 12-6 elbows hurts BJJ.

>>76315758
The judo guy is a bjj black belt retard

>>76317956
Well yeah. Bjj is just judo without take downs.
>we invented a new style and it's the most unbeatable in the world!

>>76317827
>the non-bjj guy

>>76317960
>Bjj is just judo without take downs.
fake
you mean to tell me judo guys were doing fishnets, loic locks, wojlocks, test locks, tren locks, wedges, ham sandwiches, higher ground, g-roll etc? Is there any proof of this?

>>76318015
Most bjj moves today didn't even exist in the 90s.

>>76317752
Not him, but 99.99% of martial arts trainees don't give a shit about the sport, they want to learn practical self-defense.

>>76318041
And 90% of them rely on opening your ass hole

>>76317960
He spent more time training bjj than Judo. I come from one of the top judos in the nations in the world and a black belt judoka would get fucked in a grappling match by a bjj black belt. Our national team cross trains bjj to get better results in comps.

>>76318223
Top judo nations*

>>76318067
Your fourth eye.
Look into it.
Literally.

>>76315410
ts nigga coping hard lmao

>>76315403
doesn't work if your opponent isn't literally untrained
also notice how he has to grab the rope

Sparring is playful and heavily favours grappling where you can go 100% and suffer little to no damage unless freak accidents

It breeds soft people who have never been in a real altercation before. When some heavy guy smacks his ham fist 100% against your nose/jaw you're either shocked and basically in dream land or youre in hospital

I know plenty of martial arts grappling copers who think the sport will save them or makes them le MMA fighter, but they have never been punched or thrown a full on punch at anyone. Yeah knowing some basic common sense such as "get behind them and choke them" is always useful. I didn't need bjj to tell me that, if you have common sense and fight iq you will know that already. I don't need to learn how to sprawl or grab someones leg for a takedown. That's just basic common sense

No you won't be fighting a Kazakhstani wrestler on the streets, and your bjj purple belt won't save you if you do. No it won't work in self defence situations because 99% of the time it's 2+ thugs versus you

Get a grip on reality

>>76318439
Almost as retarded as the cultists who think bjj makes them invincible

>>76313859 (OP)
I don't think so. My sis is a black belt and once her bf wanted to force her to have sex with him, she broke his fucking arm and made him cry lmao

>>76318247
>literally untrained
bro had 60 fights under his belt, including wins against BJJ black belts
>also notice how he has to grab the rope
he doesn't -have- to, but he did.

It's a meme rule anyways, how many times in any given fight do you hear "let go of the cage" or "let go of the shorts"

>>76317904
>BJJ prioritises getting behind your opponent. The ban on rabbit strikes hurts BJJ.
>BJJ prioritises getting to dominant positions on the ground. The ban on 12-6 elbows hurts BJJ.
bro wrestlers are the ones throwing elbows from the top, BJJ guys are the ones trying to get a submission while trying to avoid kicks

>Rounds harm BJJ. Restarts for inaction harm BJJ. BJJ is about gradual positional advancement, so restarts harm it.

Not everyone wants to see two guys hugging each other on the ground for 95 minutes like Gracie vs Shamrock in UFC 5.

Even BJJ competitions with BJJ rules have time limits on their matches.

>>76317978
Obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wKjP2Niu6o

>>76319127
>Not everyone wants to see two guys hugging each other on the ground for 95 minutes like Gracie vs Shamrock in UFC 5.
>Even BJJ competitions with BJJ rules have time limits on their matches.
missing the point award
the point being that restarts reduce the success of BJJ.
>bro wrestlers are the ones throwing elbows from the top, BJJ guys are the ones trying to get a submission while trying to avoid kicks
false dichotomy award
how do you even score points in BJJ? takedowns (getting on top), sweeps (getting on top), guard passes (done from top), top positions (kob, mount, back mount) and 2 hooks (can be on top or bottom). submission attempts depending on the ruleset. negative points for a guard pull in ADCC. that's about it
basically you score by getting on top, executing certain maneuvers from on top, getting 2 hooks (on top or bottom). and also submissions

>>76319137
>i love you
>fantastic body
/fit/

>>76319127
>>BJJ prioritises getting behind your opponent. The ban on rabbit strikes hurts BJJ.
The best place to do rabbit strikes is back mount and back control, things that BJJ excels at getting to and controlling

>>76313859 (OP)
Holy baba booey bazzonkies in my yummy umami lips please

>>76313859 (OP)
I did beat a brown belt woman as a white belt with a gi. If it was no gi, it'd be even easier t b h

as a jiujitus expert I'm telling you strength is by far the most important physical attribute, and "skill" only comes into play if the person is willing to play by the rules you set for them
if you're strong and just don't want to cooperate bjj can't do shit to you

>>76319913
foot fag

>>76319949
if you want to do jiujitsu you're going to have feet stuck into your face, you can choose to enjoy it or hate it but it's going to happen

>>76313859 (OP)
This >>76314358 real streetfight the girl is gonna get destroyed. Also, I'm sick of the BJJ for self defence meme. BJJ is better than nothing but it's a sport. Do ACTUAL ju-jitsu for self defence. You'll get trained to do everything you'll learn in BJJ *and* get trained to punch and kick while doing it. Grappling someone whos grappling you *while also punching and kicking you at the same time* is a very different experience.

>>76314351
she is being really violent there, @0:17 she's not playing or holding back, she's really fighting him, not cool

>>76317752
The reason what anon says is relevant is because people think that because their system is effective within a rule based competition it will be equally effective in a self defence situation where there are no rules. That mindset has gotten many people beat up or worse on the street. It is widely acknowledged the best martial arts for real world self defence are (in no order) muay thai, judo, boxing, wrestling. Anything else is better than nothing but if you're training for a sport you're training for a sport, not self defense.

>>76320095
This is correct. I've only ever done boxing. And it definitely gave me an advantage but you can't always "set up" and land technical punches when it's just about aggression and staying alive.

>>76319913
Very healthy looking feet

>>76318893
Hes right though

>>76313859 (OP)
the gym bro has no training?
I trained BJJ when I was 19. I was 6ft 2 and 220. My coach was a 5ft 2 135 lb man who was a combatives instructor in the army. I though he was kinda a joke until he heel locked me 1000 times.

OFC, as a high school wrestler, I would fuck him up on the feet, but grappling on the ground? No

>>76314351
>>76320044
>>76314366
>>76314825

He got some pussy that day while you are crying about how you would beat a tiny woman if you were serious kek

>>76320249
Apparently I'm crying. That's weird, I mean I'm sitting here relaxed and content while listening to a youtube video and responding to threads on 4chan. But anon told me I'm crying? So I must be crying?

>>76320249
This explains why you are a virgin. You think getting dominated by a female in a fight gets you pussy

Oh you sweet naive boy

>>76313859 (OP)
>>76313863
I am 1.80, 106kg and could bench 100kg (once) I think I was benching regularly 80-90kg but I am shit at squats.
So I went to this bjj school and the teacher (1.65 at most, atheltic, female) rolled with me (first time).
She completely annihilated me, technique is more important than power here.

>>76314190
Sexy boobs in tight bra and you're licking the ass? Fucking golum zoomer trash

>>76314679
I would beat the shit out of her

>>76314195
>mutts in charge of hygiene

I find it funny people think UFC is real fighting. It is no more real than Boxing, Judo, Bjj, etc etc. Until eye gouging, biting, genital ripping, striking of an opponent in any state etc is allow then it's just a combat sport no more real or serious than X combat sport and it is no better than any other one. It's just a sport, with rules and not a simulation of real life combat situation. If it wants to be then the rule book has to go.

>>76319557
>score points
more proof that BJJ is a meme sport that relies on points

>>76319579
>back mount and back control
oh yeah no wrestlers and sambo practitioners NEVER do that

>>76320659
Zoomers are all closeted faggots. That’s why their women go for older men. Sad really.

>>76318247
>literally untrained
He’s a professional fighter. He was being paid to fight in one of the biggest leagues in the world at the time. If that’s untrained then what is trained to you?

>>76321469
>Joe Son getting his nuts smashed in . mp4

but yeah modern unified rules in MMA made it so you can just hug a guy on the floor for 15-25 minutes and then be declared the baddest most violent alpha male modern day warrior of all time.

and to be fair, there's very little eye gouging and dick chewing and everything else like that in regular fights on the streets.

I didn't realize how the autism to BJJ pipeline was real until I showed up to BJJ gyms and saw myself in all these other dudes. A lot of them even smellier and more autistic than me.

I guess because it stimulates hugbox conditions where you're not longer being overly stimulated by the sensory overload of having to make eye contact with someone with music playing, you can barely breathe or see with someone laying on top of you so your brain stops thinking for a minute

>>76313859 (OP)

No unironically, especially if they're around the same size. BJJ is one of the few martial arts where a smaller person can use to beat a bigger person

>>76321582
If the gymbro got like 3 months of wrestling training, he could defeat a lady BJJ no problem

>>76314281


If you're an amazing grappler and bad striker, you'll go further than the reverse, even though striking is why people pay for tickets.

>>76320095
I agree with you, but I also think the anons who are obsessed with eye gouging are retarded. Most street fights are decided by positioning and timing, and they rarely involve meme gouging.

>>76313859 (OP)
Yes, easily. Grappling is 90% strength and weight. I (pretty good puncher with little grappling training) have won spars against much better trained women (or weak men, for that matter) easily, and lost against 2m / 120kg men with no training most of the time.
If you're small and weak, get a knife, or at lkeast learn to dodge and strike. grappling is for the strong.

>>76315752


Martial arts is about disabusing your ego

>>76318228

Judo has become too much of a sport in recent years is the biggest thing. Them banning touching the legs and ground game makes it too much like a game vs a true martial art

>>76321590


Maybe like a year, some people are naturals some arent

>>76321619
Eye gouging *rarely* happens unless people are fighting for their lives. Most people are implicitly aware that A: doing it is really fucking damaging and B: if you poke someone in the eye they're absolutely going to do it back...or worse

>>76314353
link to full video pls

>>76320095
Legit bjj includes judo and wrestling
It's unfortunately becoming more rare the more commercial it becomes and the layman only associates bjj with pulling guard and butt scooting, which a significant portion of practioners look upon with quite a bit of scorn and for good reason
Carlson Gracie and his derivative schools typically teach judo and wrestling and were black balled by the rest of the family for not keeping bjj "pure", for instance

>>76321619
>but I also think the anons who are obsessed with eye gouging are retarded. Most street fights are decided by positioning and timing,
This. Even if you want to eye gouge, are you good enough to hit a relatively small moving target with just your fingers? And if you miss just a little you’ll break your own fingers.

If someone gets the spacing and timing right AND can hit their opponent’s eye, they’re probably a decent striker already and don’t “need” to eye gouge.

Is Jiu Jitsu good for you?

>>76315327
In fact why not, let me cancel all my other appointments.

>>76322063
Exactly. You don't even need fighting experience, just watch fight videos on /gif/, 99% of fights end with a knockout through either a punch or a suplex that happen in the blink of an eye. And nothing to say that poking the eyes or squeezing the nutsack is unlikely to prevent your opponent from being able to retaliate.

>>76323307
nothing to say of*

>>76313859 (OP)
I'm a normal sized dude 5'11 180lbs with no fighting exp. Went on a tinder date with a BJJ blackbelt and later on when we were hooking up she was showing me moves. I said do you wanna wrestle for real and I manhandled her. 40% default strength advantage is crazy

>>76318439
>Get a grip on reality
Jesus Christ this
>182 replies
The state of this board
Yeah girls can beat up guys easily
In movies and tv shows

>>76314351
She was serious, I thought she actually had beef with the guy but she acted playful afterwards. I would not be chill if I agreed to play wrestle a girl and she took it over the line like that. Wtf is a guy supposed to do? She's going 100%, he can't respond in kind he'd be a fucking asshole.

>>76313859 (OP)
>tell girl I could beat her
>get absolutely smoked
>don't tap
>pass out with erection
>whimper a little bit as I come to
sounds like I win

>>76313859 (OP)
Guys I play wrestle with my girlfriend, I weight 170 she weighs 120. She's honestly really good for her size and I keep it a pretty close match because it's fun. I'm worried she might think she can actually defend herself from dangerous men though, I don't know if she realizes how easy I'm going on her. Should I just pin her next time and ruin the fun? What would you do?

>>76323255
How do you sign up for this? I’ll pay to fight.

>>76323241


I bet her husband/bf is some 6'5" gigachad

>>76314195
Bros girlfriend doesn't wash

>>76323448

No just gorilla fuck her next time you two are together so she knows she can't handle a man going all out

She might hate you for a bit though

>>76313859 (OP)
With one arm and it's not close

>>76321515
>oh yeah no wrestlers and sambo practitioners NEVER do that
Wrestlers never do back control. Back control is the name of a specific position. Back control would be almost pinning yourself.

What you're suppose to do from back mount in a fight is hold your opponent there because it's a fantastic position. Then you hit them in the head or RNC them. Wrestlers very rarely do a true back mount, they usually just straddle one of their opponents legs instead. Then they try to show their opponent's back to the mat. This is totally impractical for a fight..

I'm no sambo expert, but this is what I can gather. I tried looking up the rules but they are very poorly translated.
In both you're not allowed to cross your legs around your opponent, so their back control sucks, and their back mount is limited. I'm not sure if they changed this recently.
Sport sambo you're not allowed to even choke your opponent, so you basically never see back control/back mount.
Combat sambo is in a gi. The gi in most scenarios makes the RNC impractical (because you just go for the much stronger sliding collar choke), so combat sambo guys aren't going to have good RNC's.
Combat sambo guys are wearing MMA gloves and a boxing helmet. It is extremely hard to even get an RNC in such conditions, leading to poor development of back control and back mount.
I think the pinning rules make chasing back control and back mount not worth it.
There are some other minor points I have too.
I've looked at some combat sambo matches and I haven't seen any back control or back mount.

>>76313859 (OP)
Based blue gi taking the time to properly undress her opponent.

>>76314351
Shit like this annoys me. I'm 280 lbs, lift heavy, 6'1 and do kickboxing. I would not be able to play around with a bitch trying her hardest to kill me, I will fucking kill her.

Can't believe this thread is still alive.

>>76325290
Who is this orc?

>>76325367
She's never been a dime, but she used to at least look human.

>>76314681
Slams are fucking based af. Don't jump guard or chase a triangle in an actual fight, retards

>>76325386
Imagine marrying this and then one day you wake up and your fit qt wife has become >>76325367
a literal fucking ogre

>>76320659
>>76321521
>implying rimming wasn't popularized and celebrated in the 21st century by millies
The delusion of millennials on 4chan since the 20s started is quite interesting

>>76314019
If you get knocked down and you are afraid to stand back up, you have forfeited.

>>76314744
Speak English on this website

>>76318439
>common sense
Not as common as you think
>fight iq
And how does one acquire this without training a martial art?

>>76318933
That never happened

>>76325615
sorry to let you know like this but millenials were psyopped into faggot sexual habits(ie poopdick sex, giving yourself intestinal parasites from eating poop ass, casual sex apps, etc) because being straight is now illegal

>>76323255
Bum shit

>>76313859 (OP)
I've yet to find the source on this in over 5 years of looking

>>76325829
I recognized it immediately. It showed up in my Youtube recommendations randomly. I have no recollection past that.