Thread 76319782

Anybody managed to quit drinking? How did you do it? I developed a bad daily drinking habit for over a year and it's ruining my fitness (and life).

>>76319782 (OP)
Why would you stop drinking? Just drink less. If you can't cut back, you don't have the discipline to eat right and go to the gym.

>>76319782 (OP)
I know many people who have quit. It's not easy in that quitting anything is not easy, but once you're past the first month of "I should grab a beer" thoughts at the same time every day, you pause and wonder why, which is enough to say no. Questioning a thought is, oddly enough, the biggest challenge for most addicts.

>>76319782 (OP)
Yes.

Spoiler alert, I have a theory that the majority of alcoholics have undiagnosed or untreated ADHD and are self medicating with alcohol.

Surveys show %25 - 30 of alcoholics have diagnosed ADHD. That's over 10 times the representation of the general population, and few people get tested so is probably way higher.

I'd get tested and treated if needed.

The other thing that helps in my experience is understanding that alcoholism is painful as fuck and withdrawals might end after a couple weeks but the brain chemistry takes months to heal. So many alcoholics give up after a couple months because the brainf of makes them feel insane. Commit to 6 months sober, don't make any special exceptions. Get some sobriety under your belt.

6 months of alcohol abstinence is the general point at which former alcoholics start having similar cognitive performance as non alcoholics.

>>76319785
Well some people literally can't moderate drinking. One drink is never enough.

>>76319782 (OP)
I leverage my immense control over finances to check my drinking which I have little control over. I just don't buy it. Unless I've put x amount in savings y amount into my medical fund z amount into updating my clothing an appliances and then what little remains on a videogame or something I've wanted. There's usually not enough left for alcohol or pizza. But once every 3 or 4 months there is and I go ham.

>>76319832
I actually forced myself to encounter professional success to feed my habit.

I was working at Subway and maxed out my credit card at bars and liquor stores and so I forced myself to get a better job, paid of debt, then racked up twice as much debt, then got better job etc

I've thrown up in so many conference rooms because my stomach had problems with fireball shots at 10am.

I'm a year sober now but I was spending about 800 a month at the liquor store and maybe 400 at the bar at my peak. Love my job though, and now I spend all the money on cars.

>>76319841
How did you stop?

>>76319842
In your 30s if you survive until then your vitals go to shit.

If you're fortunate enough you will get some warning signs and make the obvious decision to keep living.

Fear of dying prematurely I guess is a strong motivator. Track your heart rate and blood pressure for a while, do a blood test for ALT and AST enzymes.

Mechanically just tough it out for a while. Don't have any cheat days. The first couple months just suck ass.
If it feels boring or you get anxious/manic start changing your behaviour. Find some hobbies, get a new job, set a goal.

3 things happen when you get sober:

1. You relapse.

2. You're sober and miserable.

3. You realize that drinking was just one major hurdle in a laundry list of shit that you have been procrastinating to take care of and caused you to drink. You start hitting that shit head on with sobriety and your life gets better and better. I feel like I have super powers sometimes. Everything's easier sober.

>>76319841
>>76319860
What do you do to substitute the sensation of getting buzzed? Surely you miss it?

I did by tapering down and then going cold turkey, sticking to it for years, started smoking cigars instead, and now I just don’t even crave a drink but crave cigars all the time.

>>76319878
Not at all. I actually tried having a beer at a party after being sober for 8 months and hated the way it made feel.

Exercise is a good option, I LOVE driving my car. Now that I'm not constantly at a .2 all the time I can drive fast and not worry. I also find more people invite me to stuff, I think it's because I'm more fun and can have better conversations.

>>76319782 (OP)
Every time I think I've quit I end up coming back in months. Been an on and off alcy for about 15 years now.
The only thing that keeps me away from it is fitness goals because I look fatter after just one night of drinking.

>>76319808
This is real btw. I drank forever until I got on ritalin (used to take it in school) and instantly lost all desire to drink.

>>76319887
So you just traded one addiction for another? Cigars probably won't kill you as fast as alcohol or impair your mental function as badly but you'll definitely get cancer from that.

>>76319910
Moderation is key for everything. My granddads smoke and drink every day and are in their 90s now. Too much of anything is bad for you.

>>76319782 (OP)
It's multifaceted i can walk you through it

I am the only person on 4chan that knows everything about alcohol abuse and how to end it permanently everyone else is a shill bitch

>realized alcohol made me feel bad
>stopped drinking it

>>76319908
This is interesting because to me they have little in common, except maybe that euphoric feeling in the beginning.

>>76319933
It's less about feeling good and more about feeling normal. Once my brain was moving at a regular pace and I could focus and slow down if I wanted, I didn't need to get high or drunk anymore.

OP, I used to drink daily and now the thought of drinking makes me feel ill. You just have to stop buying it and stop consuming it. Not buying it is your first line of defense. If you can't buy it, you can't drink it.
>>76319923
>Moderation is key for everything.
This is false. Fully abstaining and finding ways to do so is the key.

>>76319941
You're both wrong, substitution is the real resolution. Stop wasting time with alcohol and start micro dosing lsd all the time

I quit drinking and smoking weed. Just stop drinking it's that easy. It's only hard for the first week or so. I was up to a half gallon every 2 days. I could drink ever clear and it just tasted slightly salty. Booze is empty calories. I'm going to go 1 year completely sober before I let myself have any "fun" substances. It's shitty getting black out drunk waking up and trying to piece together what kind of retarded shit you did last night. My life hasnt magically improved but it is slightly less shitty at least.
You might have a few sleepless nights that's because you weren't falling asleep you were passing out. Eventually you'll get tired enough to sleep again. I take melatonin sometimes now. You should become busy and active enough that you just don't have time for it. I go to work at 730 am now and have a 2nd job now so I work on my days off and don't get home until 7 pm on my normal work days.
It's going to take years to dig myself out of the shit that drinking all day and waking up at 3 am to drink more got me. Every day is more then .25% of a year. You at best have about 80 years of life. Life is hard but it's harder if you're a fat drunk.

>>76319938
That's also weird to me. Amphetamines are a stimulant. I can focus for sure, but I don't seem to have much say on what that focus is on. Recently I took 2 hours out of my work day to play chess online. I've spent 4 hours rearranging posters before. Movies are usually out of the question on adderall because I'll be in a wikipedia hole before too long.

As for alcohol, well I definitely couldn't focus while on that.

>>76319946
where do you get it

>>76319969
Don't actually do that anon.

>>76319969
if you're not a midwit, the darknet. bit of a learning curve but super cheap and high quality.

if you are a midwit, go to a local ecstatic dance gathering or jam/dubstep show and chat a few people up

>>76319966
ADHD isn't a fake ass condition for kids who have bad parents, it's a real variation in brain chemistry from 97% of the population. There's two main chemical imbalances and ritalin and Adderall work to correct them. Ritalin and Adderall are two separate chemicals to address the two separate conditions.

It sounds counter intuitive but they work really well if you actually have ADHD.

>>76319827
This is false.

>>76319827
This is true.

>>76319908
>swapping one drug out for another

>>76319827
This is me. All or nothing. If I have even one sip I don't stop until I'm unconscious. A couple times when I house sat I would day drink, pass out in the afternoon, wake up in the evening, start drinking again, pass out, wake up in the morning, start drinking, etc. Something bad always happens when I drink like that.

>>76320038
One won't destroy my liver, bankrupt me, and destroy my life.

The other is prescribed by a medical professional and makes me able to live a more fulfilling life.

>>76319827
here is what you do:
>have 2-4 drinks
>don't put anymore alcohol in your mouth
moderate drinking, even if you are doing it every single day, is very easy on your body.

How long does it take for liver damage to manifest? I've been a pretty heavy drinker about 15 years and I don't notice any of the symptoms like yellow or white shit.

>>76319782 (OP)
I drank a 5th a day for years, quit and started again many times. Turning to fully to Christ is what made it stick. God saved me and He can save you too. I have such peace and purpose now.
Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows for me now of course, but when the Lord doesn't pull me from a difficult situation, He gets in it with me.
Turn to Jesus, anon.

>>76320053
kek amphetamine neurotoxicity is already manifesting

>>76320100
You don't even know how apples grow beneath horses retard

>>76319782 (OP)
just read the Bible. Do a chapter a day. I recommend the NASB95 version.
You can read it at the Bible Gateway website. You can also download the "You Version" bible app

and read picrel as well

>>76319988
>bwain kemistwyy!!!!
Shut the fuck up with your fake maladies, nerd.

>>76319782 (OP)
There's no secret. Determination and discipline.

>>76320107
>Posting at midnight on a Sunday
Literally nothing you say has any value

I racka disciprine!

>>76320050
How are you doing now?

It's almost Independence Day, lads.
I invite everyone on this board to reclaim their life and give up smoking/drinking/fapping whatever else is holding you back for the holday.
Make 2025 special. Let freedom ring.

if nothing else works and you really feel powerless, try a moderate dose of psilocybin/LSD. psychedelics are capable of disrupting the neural pathways which addiction establishes. they can also allow you to examine the problematic behavior from an "outside" perspective and leave it behind

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11107141/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40018886/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK99377/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22406913/

>>76320132
Fine, a week and a half sober and before that it was a week or so. I had a spiritual moment the other day when I got way too high after a night of drinking and decided to go for a jog in the morning. Had three noticeable heart palpitations in a row and thought I was going to die. My only thought was I need to get home and call mom and dad to tell them I love them. I calmed down, sat on the sidewalk and watched the sunrise. Haven't smoked or drank since and I'm back to rooning in the morning and lifting and eating right. Alcohol does nothing but make me feel sick and weed just makes me depressed now.

>>76320144
>a week and a half sober
You'll get back to drinking soon enough.

>>76320063
So excessive daily drinking turned you into a retard. Got it.

>>76320217
Yeah probably. I'm already thinking about it quite a bit. But I really don't want to spoil my gainz. Or losses to be more specific. I am not a happy person and getting drunk and playing video games or watching anime is one of the only things that brings me joy.

>>76320144
every time you want to drink, if you really cant handle moderation, instead chew on a nicorette gum. nicotine stresses your heart a bit but it will decrease your craving for other dependencies.

protip, if you really do have a dependency problem, NDRIs like Wellbutrin (pupropion) are known to break dependencies by... wait for it... acting as nicotenic receptor antagonists. though it doesnt just help break a nicotine habit, they help people break other habits. dont drink if you're taking this medication, though. good luck.

>>76320259
*bupropion lol phonefag sry

>>76319782 (OP)
i accomplished a great feat while drunk so i felt even more empty than sober afterwards and then chased another goal that requires me to be sober (lifting)

>>76320414
banged a hot hoe?

>>76320416
100% Mario Sunshine

>>76319782 (OP)
I literally just stopped.
Give yourself a small period of time where you won't have ANY. Not a casual drink, not a glass with dinner, not just one because an old friend is in town, or someone at work invited you and it would be rude.
Make it a couple of weeks with 0. Push it a month if you can.
What you're mostly suffering from is the habit, the impulse. Not a chemical addiction.
Once you've done it clean for a while, you should be able to have one without going all in. It won't feel as good to do.
If you're retarded and push it again, you'll have to start over.

>>76320416
>>76320427
https://youtu.be/wIRO1rm4fck?si=PTgzVhzfpnyrqOHs

Whats a good litmus for alcoholism? Im neet with lots of free time so I even like cracking beers for breakfast but I dont think I ever drink more than 3L of beer (6pack of tallbois) or half a fifth of booze in any given day alone or in combination and kind of vary greatly between going sober for a whole week and then polishing off a bottle of vodka every 2-3 days for weeks

I recently started getting those piercing dehydration migraines even after my first beer even though I drink plenty of water, so it might be joever, which upsets me.

>>76320474
When you can't go a day without a drink.

I'm drinking right now, I wish I had better drugs.

>>76319782 (OP)
>Anybody managed to quit drinking?
Functionally, yes.
>How did you do it?
Stopped hating myself, stopped hanging out with other alcoholic losers, started doing things that were positive. I basically just got so busy fixing my life that I didn't have the time to drink, then lost the compulsion completely. Now if I try to drink a single beer just makes me feel bloated and kind of sleepy. I go months without drinking, and have either just a couple of pints of beer or some fruity wine spritzers and that's all I want/can take.
It's weird because my entire life used to be getting drunk literally every day and absolutely crateted on the weekends. The last beer I had was February on a cruise in the Gulf of Mexico.

>>76319782 (OP)
I managed to tone it down and not drink randomly or too much sure. Now hate doing anything that requires concentration when drunk so it helps.
But I cant stop some late evening beers to relax before bed. Its insane how cozy it feels to have all the shit done and then have some beers and watch a little tv/youtube to destress

>>76320606
How many? You might be an alcoholic.

I'm a straight up alcoholic. I drink around half a fifth every day, fuck it's horrible. I want to get fit again but I can't because I drink. I cancelled my current alcohol order but I've had too much already. I'm fat and I'm sad. Ive had over 15 drinks. I'm 30 and accomplished nothing in my life. Help.

>>76320621
how long you been drinking? why are you on /fit/?

>>76320619
I am pretty sure that I am since I have been doing this for so long.
for now 3, have been periods where I do 1-2 and some when I do 4. But too much makes me sick.

The only thing that stopped me drinking was running out of money. Eventually when you're given a choice between food and alcohol, you'll pick food.

>>76320625
So I've been on /fit/ for a while. Years. I got fit at one point, a year and a half ago, but I lost control. Fast forward to now and I'm a fat alcoholic. I have 9 months to lose 30kg but I can't seem to break the cycle of drinking. A few months ago I went to the psych ward because of psychosis and in depressed.

>>76320631
Tall boys?

>>76319782 (OP)
L THEANINE 2 TO 4 GRAMS A DAY, MULTIPLE TIMES PER DAY COMPLETELY STOPPED MY ALCOHOLIC TENDENCIES.

>>76320637
Seems like it made you neurotic though?

>>76320641
I quit alcohol completely because, don't need to drink anymore, it works.

>>76320646
WHERE CAN I FIND
L THREANINE

>>76320621
>half a fifth
Not even that much really. You could quit with minimal withdrawals.

I was drinking a litre a day at my worst. That's when you're in the shit.

>>76319841
how did u manage to get a good paying job after working in sandwiches? skill up or networking or spamming applications?

>>76320058
love reading drunkards' cope lmao
>yeah i can moderate myself not like those other guys, also i can also stop whenever i want
>4 drinks every day

>>76319782 (OP)
Delay it further into the day, a little bit every day, until before you know it you're going through the whole morning and evening dry.

Anyway once youve fully replaced your addiction and become just a full on pothead, that shit is easy to quit. Get it done.
Then drop hard liquor and only drink beer. Maybe a stiff 9% beer at first then a 5% beer after a weel of that. Lessen the dose in one way pr another. What helps is having a replacement drug that is less harmful, like weed.

Eventually you're chainsmoking weed but you're only drinking 3 beers a night and the level of intoxication hardly feels worth it. Take a benzo rather than drinking one night, sleep good, go through the next day, take nyquil that night so you don't become dependent on benzos.

Next thing you know youve gone 48 hours without a drink and you're only withdrawing minimally because you've only had a few beers a night.

It's of course easier said than done but this is how I broke my alcohol, nicotine, klonopin, kratom, and Kava habits. In fact it's been so successful at helping me go a few months sober at a time that I get cocky and start using again, out of boredom, not out of withdrawlwithdrawal, I have to repeat the process because I forget how difficult it actually was.

>>76319782 (OP)
I used to drink like 50-70 beers a weekend. Wouldn't touch alcohol during the week because the hangovers were too much. I did a water fast for 20 days and my theory is I was actually addicted to carbs and not alcohol because as soon as the sugar cravings stopped so did my desire to drink beer.

>>76319782 (OP)
>>76319842
35 y.o. Alcoholic, sober 20 months this weekend. Always had a problem with substance, started binge drinking in my teens. Smoked weed everyday through med school and most of my career until 4 years ago. At my worst I would drink 2 six packs (500ML cans) on the days I "wasn't drinking" and would drink vodka neat out the bottle when I was trying to get fucked up. It was the saddest most selfish and indulgent whislt also self destructive state to be in.

Sobriety was a "work in progress" took me a year to go from constant relapse to relapse to longer periods until it finally stuck. This is important to realize and not get swallowed by failures but rather refocus and keep trying. Part of my drinking was caused by the trauma of seeing hundred of people die in Covid and part of it was self medicating. Therapy helped me with those and I cannot stress this enough that there is a reason why we drink and to try adress the underlying reasons.

I did attend AA for a period and saw many people I knew there, even some of the Profs that taught me at medschool which was wild. It made me realize that people from all walks of life struggle. The most important thing about AA for me personally was seeing how bad alcohol fucked up the people's bodies. In a weird way it was "ghost of Christmas future" that got me to face the reality of the situation. Hearing their stories made me realize I was on a path yo the early grave and had too much to loose. I got sober so I could get away from that future.

I almost lost my Job and was suicidal. A year of drinking meant I wouldn't pass out but would end up psychotic, running mad in the streets and fighting. I could have lost it all. I shudder to think about it now. Don't lie to yourself that there is anything in your life that alcohol can't make worse.
It's harder in the start because of the alcohol siren song. It gets better with time.
"aim for progress not perfection"

>>76320802
I should add to this theory that I would easily get hooked on soda too. My job started stocking the fridge at work with sodas. It would start with one a week then I would have 3 a week and then the sugar cravings would kick in. Corn syrup is a hell of a drug.

>>76320650
Amazon, buy a tub of it

>>76319988
Ritalin and Adderall are just brand names for amphetamine, dumbass

>>76319782 (OP)
Honestly, I just did. Was craving for alcohol that particular morning and idk it just clicked, being so fucking pathetic so clingy so dependent on overpriced piss just to function. I took the last bottle in my stash and poured it all down the toilet and never looked back. I only drink on social occasions now but pretty much never drink outside of that except a day or two for every year.

>>76320922
What was the last bottle bro? (I'm drinking right now).

>>76320474
The general consensus of "those in the know" (specifically excluding a lot of AA types and other people who explicitly or implicitly depend on labels) is you've generally got a problem if you're asking yourself if you've got a problem. It's also best if you leave it there for now, perhaps you've got a bit of a problem brewing and you're considering changes.

The general consensus about what to do would be to take a month off, then reevaluate. That month will shine a lot of light on the exact nature of the problem, and whether it's a big one or a small one.

>>76320821
ritalin is methylphenidate, which is not amphetamine.
>phoneposter
>functionally retarded
yeah that tracks

>>76319782 (OP)
I wasn't a raging alcoholic, but I managed to replace a habitual beer or 2 every night with those canned seltzer waters. Not the alcoholic seltzers that are popular now, to be clear. Could help you with the need to be habitually drinking something.

>>76319782 (OP)
Retatrutide.

I used to have 4-6 drinks per day, easily. More on weekends. Once I started a cut with reta, I lost all interest in alcohol. I can't finish a beer now.

>>76320635
Hey buddy, I've been there. You asked directly for help, and if you do what I'm telling you to do, literally not "thinking" just doing it, you will get where you want to be.

The reason I quoted "thinking" is because you can't really think right now, but you know you can't think. So really, you can tactically maneuver with some success, but you can't visualize the higher level plan or abstractly reason about it. You're trapped in a maze and trying to make it around each corner still alive.

You can't think because you are poisoned. You are poisoned by drink, your diet, and lack of sustenance exercise (walking, not weight lifting, for now). As the poisons recede you will slowly regain your thinking ability.

Don't stop drinking just yet. Instead, measure out to the ml every drop you drink, and write it down. Like "100ml vodka 10:13pm". It's important to be exact, use a measuring cup.

Stop eating what you are eating. The only thing you eat now is chicken, greek yogurt, fresh vegetables, and fresh fruit. No eating out, no processed food, you only drink water.

You now walk. Walk everywhere. Walk for no reason. Walk walk walk walk walk.

Lock this shit in to your soul. Eat clean and walk. Know your exact intake in ml and when Now chart a drawdown off the sauce. People will say lol just stop bro, rookies can do that, you probably can't. You will spend a larger and larger percentage of your life at 0.0% BAC and clarity will return. Then take at least an entire month off with zero drinks before deciding anything about the future. It will suck but you can do it.

>>76319782 (OP)
If I didn't quit hard liquor following the first serious warning sign (could have choked asleep in my puke and don't even remember it) I'd probably be in a pickle today. Now that I got my mental health (mostly) in check, I don't crave to get wasted as much as before. Also, cutting out the drinking buddies that said behind my back I had a drinking problem helped a lot. There's always underlying mental health issues with alcohol. Deal with those.

>>76319782 (OP)
I do for months at a time but then after weeks of doing everything right i ultimately realize it's boring and will spend a few days just getting shittered.

>>76321200
> amerifag vomits in his bed once and has a cry

Did you and Trent have too many white wine spritzers?

why are there so many alcoholics on 4chan?

What are some good replacements for alcohol?

>>76321235
Americans tend to call themselves alcoholics if they had two hangovers in a single week at 18. It's hard to keep up with your blacked porn quota if you're sleeping in.

>>76319782 (OP)
I simply stopped. Just stop it's not hard. I drink a few beers on occasions or get togethers but that's it. You just don't do it. Get rid of what you have and don't buy anymore, or go where you're enabled.

>>76319878
You get over being a fag who needs to feel funny sometimes and just enjoy the benefits of not being an alcoholic

>>76321253
I would really like to know more about the shithole you come from.

>>76319782 (OP)
I haven't drank in 3 weeks and I'm fucking miserable lol

>>76319782 (OP)
I was drinking an average of 25 drinks per day going back 8 years and now 6 months sober. This is what I had to do. I tried to quit probably a hundred or more times on my own and it never worked. Professional help was the only thing that was going to help me. I have a long way to go but it's getting easier. "One day at a time" sounds cheesy but you need to adopt that mindset because chances are things will get worse for you before they get better after you quit drinking.

>ICU for alcohol poisoning and 3 days of detox
>7 weeks inpatient rehab
>2 weeks outpatient PHP (group therapy 6 hrs/day)
>10 weeks outpatient IOP (3 hrs/day)
>6 weeks outpatient OP (1 hour a couple days a week)
>Psychiatrist
>Naltrexone, trazodone, Wellbutrin, effexor, propranolol
>AA every day
>Occasional SMART meetings
>Exercise daily
>Lots of sleep
>Do coping skills like meditation and journaling
>Extensive blood work

I'm probably going to be starting low dose TRT as well. The good news is that I lost 30 pounds in about 8 weeks and am rebuilding muscle pretty quickly. The depression and anxiety still suck but are getting better over time. The hardest part is the withdrawal period of 1-2 weeks. Definitely get on Naltrexone. The Naltrexone/Wellbutrin combo is used as a weight loss drug so if you need to lose weight adding wellbutrin makes it easy. Trazodone is good for sleep. Propranolol takes the edge off anxiety. AA sucks for several reasons and I'm not going to do the steps or get a sponsor, but going to the meetings helps me not drink so I go anyway.

>>76321251
Meaning, purpose and fulfillment

>>76320474
If you're not already past the threshold you are heading towards it. You need to either cut back bigly or quit.

If it feels impossible to stop at only 1-2 drinks and you have withdrawal symptoms that last more than a day if you don't drink then you are probably across the Rubicon. By the time most people realize/admit to themselves they are an alcoholic their brain chemistry is probably a year or more past the point of no return.

>>76321351
How did you stop man it's so easily available.

>>76321757
the quintessential goycattle
>Willingly subjects himself to an entire pharmacy worth of SSRIs
>Willingly subjects himself to a humiliation ritual he himself recognised is such.

Honestly if I ever got that bad, It would genuinely be a more rational decision to eat buckshot than live out the rest of my years in the state you are in now. Nobody who knows you will ever TRULY see you as a person again. In any case, I believe you are infra-human enough that this doesn't really bother you to the degree that it should and you are able to eke out a content life.
, and that's OK. I'm more talking to more self-aware and introspective anons that might read this and think its good advice to submit yourself to infra-humanity.

>>76321894
>it's so easily available
This is no excuse. There is a store that sells wine, beer, and liquor less than a block from my house. It couldn't be more "easily available." You take some accountability and not go in. It sounds reductive and simple, but it really is that simple. Just don't buy it.

>>76321953
Not one of those drugs is an ssri

>>76319782 (OP)
I don't drink for about 10 years. I've quit because I've became an alcoholic and things started to slip. I understood that alcohol is not for me and if things would stay in that way, I'll be dead in 15-20 years. I went to individual therapy, because group one was retarded. I had trouble sleeping for about 6 months, but I made it. For now, because you have to remember that if you'll loose control over liquor, you can't get it back, like burnt light bulb.

>>76322021
How are you able to give it up completely I just don't understand. The buzz from drinking is just so addictive. There's nothing like it that isn't legally and widely available.

>>76320245
If you can make it a month you won't want it so bad. I used to have to avoid that entire section of the store for fear I'd break down and swerve into the booze section. Try a non alcoholic beer or 2 before bed it can trick your body into thinking it's going to get a buzz then you fall asleep before you you know it.

>>76321774
Sounds miserable.

>>76319808
>Spoiler alert, I have a theory that the majority of alcoholics have undiagnosed or untreated ADHD and are self medicating with alcohol.

Came to this conclusion too

>>76320474
If you're morning drinking you're definitely an alcie

>>76320474
>I even like cracking beers for breakfast
nigga....

>>76319782 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQU1lnQ5dXg

>>76319827
Literally me

>>76321953
OP wanted to know what has worked for people and I assume he was genuinely asking for help. These are the things that worked for me and I see working for other people, and read research results that prove they work. There's a lot of negativity on this thread and ignorance of substance abuse. Hopefully anybody with an actual problem is able to find the help they need and not be discouraged by the people who will say "just stop it's that easy," or those who will dehumanize them over addiction in order to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings.
You're right it doesn't bother me if people look down on me for my substance abuse problem. I don't care much about what anyone thinks about me in any capacity anymore. Hopefully someday you find a similar liberation from the power of other people's opinions.
Dehumanizing people over substance abuse is just a manifestation of spiritual sickness in whoever is doing it, not a problem on my end as long as I keep my side of the street clean.
Less than 10% of people who get sober make it to the 1 year mark. The data is pretty clear that meds, therapy and support groups improve outcomes. Why not stack the cards in one's own favor with professional help. Meds are intended as temporary crutches while work is done on behavioral therapy and rebuilding one's life. People don't need to take these for life. The side effects are usually a small price for the benefits that are gained if the work is done on oneself, especially when compared to the alternative. SSRIs don't have mystical permanent brain-destroying powers that only 4chinners know about. They might give some people weight gain, brain fog and delayed orgasms, but that all stops when they are no longer taken.
Life is pretty good and keeps getting better. I have health, money, a good career, a connection with God, repaired my relationships with family and am part of my community now.

>>76319782 (OP)
I started pouring out the alcohol into the sink and filming it. I'd be drunk asf rambling about how I don't want to keep living like this. Then sometimes I'd watch the videos when I felt like drinking. Sounds extremely retarded but somehow it worked after like 10-20 tries.

After a while I started to feel dumb just walking to the store to buy alcohol because I knew I was going to pour most of it out anyways in a few hours. picrel

>>76322231
I think the meds, therapy, and support angle can work, but only really does when a person needs to go next-level on things. Throwing someone that's had a fairly moderate problem for a year into the deep end can just make things worse unless there's DUIs, violence, suicide attempts, jail, etc, or if things are getting a little schizo or psychotic.

Most people who are still functioning need some experience getting clean and then fucking it up. One of three things happens: they keep doing the cycle of stopping and fucking up, they break free and largely attain normie status with beers here or there every few months but afraid of (for example) liquor now, or sick of the cycle or suffer severe consequences and it's time to "get serious".

What happens if you dump someone who is not serious into "get serious", it's a waste of everyone's time and resources. This should be reserved for those who really need it, and more importantly, really want it. I'm guessing you know the dance where one is "serious" when in mild WD from that bottle of chard a day habit for 8.5 months, but then after two weeks of drying out is suddenly much more "flexible".

SSRIs are no joke and generally speaking one should exhaust all conventional avenues before going down that path. This is why I advocate, and have above, for an initial plan of extremely clean low carb eating, walking constantly, and exact quantification of and subsequent drawdown of drinking, culminating with one month zero alcohol. If that can be done, at that point it's appropriate to make future looking decisions.

If that can't be done, it at least shines light on where sticking points are, and maybe a hint of the why, and is the first bit of hard evidence you may need to "next level" your shit. It conveniently then gives whoever is trying to help you exact details on what you tried and what your current state is. I hope you understand my pov.

>>76321953
>just give up instead of doing whatever it takes
Absolutely NGMI. Post body, you’re either brown or a chink.

>>76322431
As a followup example, I'm talking about people like this >>76322418 who needed a few tries but managed to extricate himself. Putting people like this on SSRIs immediately is a huge mistake, imo.

i quit drinking after i moved cities and didn't make friends to go out and drink with

I never had a problem with alcohol, but with weed, which is the reverse of most people but for me what helped me finally quit after dozens of attempts was realizing that every hit felt like I was taking another hit of depression, that I was destroying my mind because I couldn't remember anything, destroying my relationships at home, fucked up at work because of it, and that every time I would get high I knew that the entire evening was wasted, I would be hung over the next day and that day would be wasted, and I had huge eye bags and honestly was starting to look on the outside like I felt inside. My addiction was a secret from everyone, and I had to lie about why I looked like shit, why I was acting weird, I would have to disappear to go buy weed and have to lie to my family about staying late at work when I was out buying weed. Having to pretend I wasn't stoned social functions. There was nothing more painful to me than looking into the loving face of my child while high and realizing I was a total piece of shit, I was weak, I was a bad person, I lied to everyone including myself and I let myself fall to this sorry fucking state, and that this was my life now. Honestly I had suicidal thoughts, I can't even say how many times I tried to kick weed and failed. Every time I had the least bit of stress or conflict in my life I would get stoned, and this did not help me solve any of my problems, it just made me more incapable of fixing anything, digging the hole deeper.

Eventually I realized it was now or never and I stopped. Started exercising. What kept me going is knowing that every day the cravings would be a little bit less, but if I gave in I would have to start right from the beginning and I would be back in the deepest pits of hell, but if I held out for one more day, it would get a little bit easier every day. And it has - every day the cravings are less - it's been 8 months, and life is better. Every day is easier than the day before. You can do it.

From what I’ve seen, there’s two kinds of alcoholics and unless you’re way deep into dependency you usually fall hard into one category or the other. There’s introvert drunks who developed the habit out of depression and boredom and tend to drink alone, and there’s extrovert drunks who picked up the habit through partying and peer pressure. Once you’re in too deep you’ll start drinking all the time just to avoid withdrawal, and if that’s you then you still need to try and figure out why you got the habit in the first place and when and where you have the urge to drink the most. For extrovert drinkers, get away from your fucked up friends and spend as much time as possible alone. Get used to being bored, find something to pass the time besides drinking and, if you have to, move away and get a new job in a place where you don’t know anyone. For introvert drunks, don’t ever stay at home unless you’re about to go to sleep, stay outside and moving at all times. Go spend time with other people in public, even if you’re just aimlessly riding the bus or hanging out at the library. Spend as much time as possible at the gym. Leave your debit card at home so you can’t buy booze. A lot of people fail quitting because they look at what someone else did to stop and try to copy it, but the habits an introvert drunk needs to develop to quit are in direct opposition to what an extrovert drunk needs to do to quit and vice versa. Trying to copy what worked for someone else can make your problem worse.

>>76319782 (OP)
ive never been alcoholic per se but i used to really enjoy it and would romanticize drinking all the time. now my friends dont usually drink often or hard and now i find myself increasing wistful and despondent instead of euphoric. i dont really have the same elevation for boredom that drinking on weekends used to grant me? I cant say any hobbies truely keep me entertained, they just feel occupying almost. I guess at the heart of the problem, i think i long for someone (intimate) to do stuff with, which isnt likely to be ascertained unless its with my ex (sad!)

>>76322547
Don’t worry about having fun, that’s for children and women. Just focus on getting stronger and more ripped. Once you’re a chad you can have sex for fun

>>76320945
I think it was rum

>>76322135
Well I came to a realisation that alcohol is not for me anymore. It might be fine for some people, but bit for me. Its simply a matter of a pros and cons. On one side I have social interractions, fun, this whole "lore" of booze. On the other side I had liver failure, dementia, homelessness etc. And like I said, that's something I used because i'm determined to stay away from alcohol.

>>76322643
>It might be fine for some people
It's honestly not fine for anyone.

>>76319785
What's the point of drinking if you're not drinking enough to get tipsy?

>>76322231
>or those who will dehumanize them over addiction
This is the inevitable part and its not coming from me, its a warning to you and anyone that seeks an understanding and compassionate world to open up about their addiction to.

>>76323556
Nobody in recovery expects compassion from the general population. I certainly don't go around volunteering information on my problems to the people I encounter in the real world and expect them to be compassionate.
OP asked for help and I told him what worked for me. There are people in this thread telling someone who is asking for help that they are subhuman because of their problem and giving counterproductive advice/information. That can be harmful to people in a bad place mentally.
The vast majority of people in recovery don't give a shit about people who look down on them. Typically the only people to care enough about other people's substance problems enough to hold a negative opinion about them are gossipy women. Outside of work, most people, especially men, couldn't care less either way if they find out someone has a drinking problem. And if they do care, they are pretty much always the uptight pricks nobody wants to be around anyways.

>>76320621
Have you tried quitting cold turkey? Give it a try and focus on getting back on the gym.

>>76321235
Life is rough

It completely blows my mind that I never became an alcoholic. I'm 33 and as big of a loser as you will ever encounter in your life. No sexual experience, no friends, no career, living with parents, completely miserable and have wanted to kill myself for many many years at this point but I'm too cowardly to do it.

People like me should be spending most of our free time being iniebriated to distract ourselves from how boring and pathetic our worthless lives are. But I almost never drink. I also never do any other drugs either, not recreational ones, not pharmaceuticals, not even caffeine. I just sit there, rotting my life away, completely sober. I always hear about alcoholics doing it because their life is boring, because they have pain they are trying to numb or forget about. I don't know how I didn't fall into that trap.

>>76323763
Wow you have sobriety but you won't do anything to improve your life?

>>76323850
Yup that's literally how pathetic I am. I have nothing stopping me from improving my life, no addictions or anything, and yet I just continue doing nothing. Although my own horrendous depressed miserable brain is honestly probably worse than any addiction would be.

>>76323877
Sounds like chronic depression to me and you should seek help.

>>76322546
I'm the former and I don't want to stay outside! :(

>>76319782 (OP)
Took me a while but I went from daily 5-8 (0.5l) beers to 3 every other day and eventually I decided I don't want to feel like shit all the time so drinking only on Fri/Sat. It didn't help much because it gave me an oportunity to get shitfaced "because it's only once or twice a week" and that's probably even more dangerous. This year I decided it's time to ditch the bottle completely. It's going to be 7 months w/o alcohol in two days. My health issues went almost away and it's great to wake up in the morning and being able to operate normally. What helped a lot is I actually have a wife and a kid and didn't want to be a drunk fuck but a good role model for my son. Thanks for reading my blog. Follow and subscribe for more.

I became alcoholic when my girlfriend dumped me. It really did help numb the pain. Having a solid drinking sesh and browsing boards, watching a movie, listening to music, or just sittin there was so relaxing and comfortable.

but every single time, without fail, the anxiety and dread and depression would hit me like a train coming down from being drunk. to the point where me being sober after drinking was excruciatingly painful, mental wise.

so i just try to remember the tremendous level of shit i’ll feel after drinking rather than during. it helps me not even begin. I switched to working out and eating right. things that have delayed rewards.

>>76319782 (OP)
>i'm addicted
get help anon
unironically

>>76319988
Hey man I am sympathetic. But kikes wrote the dsm and most of it is circumstancial and they circumsized us all and forced us to do fake jobs in womanland.
Life is what you make of it. I like to think ADHD is my hunter instincts. I run and exercise and those music videos in my head as I zoom are my medicine. My rest of day calmer. Anyway ADHD both is and isnt real, stop codifying everything. Or at least forgive yourself

I read the annie grace book, and afterwards the allen carr method which was much better. It basically flipped a switch in my brain and I have zero desire to drink ever again. been sober for about 5 years now? it was honestly surprising how easy it was to quit.

why would you even want to be sober? i've been drunk every single night for around 1.5- 2 years and i've been completely sober for a year. my life was way worse sober. and i was just a worse person as well. only reason i take breaks is because I start feeling fat and generally unwell and unhealthy because my tolerance goes way up and eventually i need at least 12 shots to get a buzz which is still super harsh on your body even though you aren't getting very drunk. the goal is to have enough self control and moderation to not get fat or wreck your health. if you are feeling bad/unhealthy, or gaining weight you are drinking too much. just dial it back. i'm not saying someone should drink or do drugs if they don't want to but it's just something to think about. drugs and alcohol are fine if they are improving your life which they definitely improve mine as long I exercise some moderation and take occasional breaks.

>>76319808
>Spoiler alert, I have a theory that the majority of alcoholics have undiagnosed or untreated ADHD and are self medicating with alcohol.
Beginning to suspect this myself

>>76322546
>For introvert drunks, don’t ever stay at home unless you’re about to go to sleep, stay outside and moving at all times. Go spend time with other people in public, even if you’re just aimlessly riding the bus or hanging out at the library. Spend as much time as possible at the gym. Leave your debit card at home so you can’t buy booze.
This is spot on. I am an introvert ADHD tard, and if I stay home I just drink all day. I get through it by going on adventures fishing or riding or the gym, I've learned that I have to stay out and doing things

>>76324095
Will you help me?

>>76324301
Have some self control.
>2 drinks at night on work nights
>3 drinks on friday/saturday night (or whatever your days off are)
>sunday counts as a work night
Done. Dismissed. You owe me $500 thankyou.

>>76324343
>2 drinks
>3 drinks
No such thing.

>>76324146
> the allen carr method
I tried reading this and it's not very well written. It's very condescending and actually originally written for quitting smoking which is not even remotely similar to alcohol addiction.

>>76319782 (OP)
>? How did you do it?
By never really starting. Don't get me wrong I tried near everything and got plenty of times drunk until almost passing out, but that was during school years. Nowadays I have no intention to drink by myself, the novelty is gone and there's nothing rebellious about it anymore, it's just unhealthy and expensive

>>76324439
You haven't tried shitposting on /fit/ while buzzed on booze before? I guess some people are wired different...

>>76324451
drinking is supposed to be social unlike fitness

>>76320106
I bet guys like you that promote the bible on the website spend half your time cumming to furry trap porn

>>76320058
An alcoholic can’t stop like that. But that is a test to find out if you are an alcoholic.

If you start drinking and stop, and don’t care if you drink more, you’re not an alcoholic

If you start drinking and stop, and it makes you miserable and you want to keep drinking, you’re an alcoholic

>>76323716
That's terrible advice. Severe alcohol withdrawal can kill.

>>76324480
Drinking is unironically more fun when you do it alone.

>>76324537
never understood why
Drinking lowers social inhibition, makes you more talkative and outgoing. It also numbs pain which makes long nightouts like clubbing or parties more bareable.

Why would you want any of that when you're alone?

>>76324562
People are obnoxious and insufferable when drunk. I like getting drunk in the comfort of my own home alone.

>>76324688
>People are obnoxious and insufferable
that's why alcohol is so good in social settings

>>76324562
>never understood why
For me when I started drinking alone it's because it was amplifying the enjoyment I was getting out of what I was doing alongside it. At first, it was just knocking back a six pack paired with a 4-5 hour gaming/viewing session, and then I was happy to just stop drinking and continue what I was doing until I went to bed.

What eventually happened from there is 6 beers wasn't enough, first it was 7, and then 10, and then 12, and then however many until I just fell asleep in the chair. Because the fun didn't kick in fast enough I ended up having to drink much more to reach my drunken euphoric peak, and over time nothing I did while I was sober was able to bring me any sense of enjoyment or fulfillment.

And then no amount of drinking made me feel happy or made anything I do feel more enjoyable and I was purely in the drinking until passing out mode.

And this is why drugs are bad because they can raise your baseline level of happiness out of reach during period of sobriety.

>>76324171
>durrr I can’t be a happy or a good person without paying to ingest a literal toxic substance

consider what a retard you sound like and stop lying to yourself

It's all so tiresome...

>>76324748
You basically described what it's like for me about the enjoyment amplification part. Did you manage to quit after getting your tolerance so high that fun drinking is no longer feasible? Where are you at now?

>>76319782 (OP)
nah man, life too hard not to drink

>>76322143
Cold turkey is my method. I'm good right now. If I drink I'll fuck up my progress. I can almost see my abs for the first time.

>>76325518
>muh heckin literal toxic substances that's a big chonkin yike from me dawg
grow up

What's worse? Drinking occasionally or smoking weed occasionally?

>>76320575
Good job anon, proud of you.

>>76323716
It's hard when a man has nothing and life seems hopeless.
Also what >>76324536 said.

>>76326707
Weed has to be the shittiest drug out there. It provides a really feminine, moronic high. It temporarily provides the kind of brain I imagine most women and stupid men have.

Learning how to cook took most of my focus away from alcohol. I like feeling full and satisfied after a good workout and being ready to go the next morning instead of feeling like someone took a sledgehammer to my face in my sleep.

>>76326707
Alcohol is bad for physical health.
Weed is bad for mental health.

I don't want to drink but I'm really craving a joint right now.

>>76321894
>how did you stop?
Antisemitism.
I will not be defeated by the liquid Jew.

I have somehow never gotten alcohol poisoning despite being able to drink a 5th in an evening. I don't even puke or get the spins anymore. Must be the Irish genes.

>>76319941
>>76319946
youre all wrong. moderation is key but you need to have a full blow psychedelic experience first. microdosing is pussy shit and youre wasting perfectly good acid

>>76321953
You're the one that needs to fellate a 12 gauge.

>>76322135
Alcohol is a pretty shit tier high. Huge negative side effects for just a couple hours of giggly time. I just get tired after a few drinks and can't play video games for shit and just end up listening to the same music and watching the same movies over and over and over.

Interestingly I have never consumed any alvoholic beverages, just some pralines which had a hint of ethanol! That being some chocolate truffles! Anon I wish you all the best there is, may you get well soon! Godspeed to you!!

>>76322418
A friend of mine with an alcoholic dad used to take videos of him rolling around in the bathroom with his pants around his ankles swearing at everybody and generally being a piece of shit. He died recently, not sure if it was suicide or health complications, but honestly that was the happy end for his family.

I got a DUI and spent some time in county jail and heard one of the guys in AA talk about how he killed his best friend drinking and driving and was looking at prison time. That got me to stop drinking and driving but then I just drank a lot alone at home.

>>76319782 (OP)
I have very recently managed to get my drinking under control. I used to be a heavy drinker and now I only drink once every few weeks or so, on special occassions or social events. I struggled with it for a while, but what changed is that I realized how much this behavior was truly undermining my goals. I just slowly put myself first more and more until I didn't desire to drink anymore.

Also Kratom.

>>76326980
>>76320141

>>76322524
Good job. You're lucky to have a child. I am getting old and every day the chance of having kids gets farther and farther away. Kids give you purpose in life and I think not having kids is the reason so many people are miserable these days. It's painful to see parents playing with their kids at the park.
Also I didn't know weed could give you hangovers.

>>76322667
This but getting rip shit drunk. If I'm still conscious by the end of the night then I'm unsatisfied. What's really scary is when you lose consciousness but keep doing things. Then you get to slowly piece together the mess you made the next day. Dumbest thing I did lately was piss in a lemon juice bottle and put it back in the fridge. Went to pour a drink the next day and realized it was a piss screwdriver.

Is this the Thread?

>>76323640
People do not have compassion for alcys, it's socially acceptable to berate them. Friends and loved ones will openly talk shit to your face if they find out you have a problem. That makes it satisfying if you make it and end up looking better than them. My mom used to treat me like dirt for drinking until I snapped at her for being a shopaholic hoarder.

>>76323763
Surely you must have a video game or porn addiction. You can't just sit there doing nothing all day.

I am a "functional alcoholic". I havent gone more then 5 days without drinking in probably 3-4 years and not more then a month clean in over a decade. In the last 6 months I have probably drank 12ounces of usually whiskey everynight. I dont start drinking till about 5-6pm. If I try and go cold turkey how dangerous will it be? How likey am I to get DTs? I never had those before and I dont want to have a seizure

I quit after a serious addiction of drinking 20 pints of beer a day for years. My brain felt damaged and I was powerless to stop.

You have to really really admit you are a loser alcoholic. Not to feel sorry for yourself but to admit that you cant carry on like this and you might as well be dead if you continue... THEREFORE you stop and get another shot at another life.

Start going to AA or alcohol recovery groups in your city. Simply the routine of going a couple times a week and speaking to fellow alcoholics can make you feel like you have some routine in your life. I figure since youre a problem drinker you struggle socially and isolate yourself. AA is a low stakes social meetup where youre expected to be mentally broken

you need to start exercising regularly and find things to do to take up your time. For example on weekdays walk 30 minutes each way to a library where you can read 1 chapter of a book, then relax on youtube for 30 minutes or so then walk 30 minutes back home. This will take up 2-3 hours of your day.

Slowly build up healthier habits but keep things low stakes, watch lots of tv, eat good food, meet up with people, attend AA. Alcohol recovery takes a few years before you get anywhere close to baseline levels so you gotta keep it easy. Theres no rushing to recovery

>>76327442
You're functional so why stop.

>>76320063

Unironicly this. Jesus is the way. Satans greatest achivment is to make humans kill themselves. And alchohol and drugs are one of the main ways he achives that.

Also, talking with God is the best path for sanity. Its a reason non church goers off themselves 7x more.

>>76322667
Tipsy/Buzzed is fine, there is no good reason to go beyond that.

>>76320701
So, are you going to share why you're such a miserable cunt?

>>76327228
Sounds like a healthy relationship you have with your mother. What sort of porn do you watch?

>>76327460
Great to hear man, also walking is underrated. Keep up the excellent progress!

>>76326738
Thanks. It's embarassing remembering what a fucking yahoo I used to be.

>>76327640
>>>/gif/29055948

>>76327502
Functional as I am able to work and maintain a relationship.
I have put on weight, it makes me unambitious, I feel like I waste too much time doing bullshit like playing vidya games or just endlessly watching youtube videos. If I was sober and not often hungover I would be more consistant with exercise and in general making better use of my time.

>>76327852
Being sober is miserable.

>>76327442
You wouldn't have DTs. You will be a little agitated and maybe have a little anxiety or mundane bullshit that would normally not bother you. To get DTs you have to be an all day drinker for a long time.

>>76324301
I'd be right happy to.

>>76324451
That is a horrible waste of alcohol. I'd rather play vidya drunk.

Alcohol is easier to quit than porn. Porn is the final boss of addictions for men.

>>76328085
I can't stop drinking because I'm fucking 25 and I've never had a girlfriend and I'm bitter about it because I CRAVE for TEEN (18-19 year old) pussy and I'm bitter about it and can't fucking sleep unless I drink an entire bottle of fucking whiskey what in the fucking fuck do I fucking do motherfucker?????????????????? THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

>>76328099
Better fix your shit and get it while you still can.

>>76328105
18-19 year old girls think 25 year olds are boomers I talked to one girl and she told me that I was old as fuck and old enough to be her dad

>>76328116
Bullshit. I'm 35 and get attention from teens. You're probably just a manbaby that has no daddy energy. The worst of both worlds.

>>76328099
holy fuck bro see my post
>>76327876

>>76319782 (OP)
No need to quit drinking. Just limit it to no more than three times per week and have no more than three drinks per day.

It's better to drink during the afternoon and go to bed sober. I like to finish up the day's tasks, have a couple beers, maybe take a nap, then go on with the rest of my day.

The thing that trips up everyone trying to get drinking under control is this all or nothing mindset. You don't need to completely eliminate alcohol from your life. You just need to stop abusing it and learn how to moderate your consumption.

>>76328291
>Just limit it to no more than three times per week and have no more than three drinks per day.
This is where the problem is. Some people just can't control themselves. It is impossible to stop once they start. That's why alcoholics exist. Their brain mechanism is just wired that way and they at more susceptible to alcohol addiction.

>>76326502
>literal toxic thing is literally toxic
>points out the fact
>this fact upsets u because you’d rather not think about it

should I go into how most of alcohol is empty calories making you fat?
or that it lowers testosterone over time?
or that your body simply trying to get any amount of alcohol out of your system impedes on almost every other healthy function?

cope and seethe my friend. cope. and. seethe.

>>76328306
But getting turnt feels good man...

>>76328306
that’s why i started alcohol at a low body fat while also taking trt

>>76327017
What's better? Sobriety is living hell.

>>76328389
You've got it backwards but your thought process is unclear because of the liquor. Life is better when you're sober.

>>76319782 (OP)
I got fired from the job that was fucking my head up and almost immediately lost desire to drink. I wonder if I'd be an alchy by 4chan standards but 3-4oz of 60% every night to help me sleep couldn't have been positive for me overall.

Why I slowed down drinking so much while job searching I don't really know because I was still depressed as fuck, but it happened. I guess even being unemployed and stressed the fuck out was better than what I had.

i dont know how i never became an alcoholic. my life has been complete and utter shit for the entire 30+ years. and its not just shit, but the boredom i have lived through would be unconsionable to most people. just days and full nights doing literally nothing. like almost every weeknight is just come home and sit at home for 3+ hours every night completely sober. weekend nights, be alone, sober. i heard that a lot of people turn to alcohol to fill the boredom in their lives, because when youre drunk at least oure distracted from being bored and it makes even basic things intersting. ive been drunk probably fewer than 5 times in my life. and i do like how alcohol feels when i get a decent buzz, and im a lightweight so it only takes 3, maybe 4 at most shots of alcohol to get me buzzed so it isnt like i would have to spend a bunch of money doing it. but i just dont have the desire to go out and buy alcohol and sit there drinking i every night, i have no idea why.

although i did recently see that danish movie druk about the teachers who were bored with their lives so they stated microdosing alcohol every day even during working hours and they got much more social, more confident, and actually had better lives until it came crashing down. i have honestly considered doing that. andwith my aforementioned nonexistent alcohol tolerance, it wouldnt take much at all. like take a shot in the morning and see if it gives me confidence to talk to people on the train on my commute. sneak some at work to see if it gives me confidence there. do it before the commute home to talk to people. take some in my free time and try to walk around public places and try to talk to people. i dont know.

>>76325995
>Where are you at now?
I've cut my drinking down to 2-3 nights a week, which is still a lot but no where near what I was doing before, and I don't drink to the point of passing out anymore. This is partially because my tolerance has reduced a bit and because I got prescribed Mirtazapine to help me sleep on nights I'm not drinking. I know that moderation isn't a thing I can do and eventually I'm gonna have to choose between the booze and a more fulfilling life.

That being said I'm finding it easier and easier to go without it on my sober days. You've just really got to lock in and focus on doing things to distract you from the urge. I think it might help that I feel like I hit my bottom - drinking just isn't that fun anymore. More sober time has really helped me actually get things done and focus on new hobbies. I've even started to get dopamine hits that I hadn't felt while sober in years.

I think overall the worst thing about drinking for me was feeling like I was getting more and more stupid. Oh and >>76328306
>or that it lowers testosterone over time?
cumming didn't feel as good as it used to

Scary thought to let yourself have.

>>76319782 (OP)
Get a good cart? You smoke like youbarent teying to get high?

>>76328473
You should start. You only live once.

>>76328616
This is what weed does to your brain.

>>76328675
I once smonked a weed and it made me gay.

>>76328685
>not smoking weed
Yeah yourebafraid itll make you gay

>>76328306
Why you sound like such a redditor? Is it because you read reddit all day and have adopted their typing patterns?

>>76328772
Do not disrespect me.

>>76327557
https://youtu.be/eBPqksG9nbA

>>76319782 (OP)
>Anybody managed to quit drinking?
Yeah
>How did you do it?
By not drinking

>>76329043
Teach me?

>>76319782 (OP)
i'm sober now for 16 months after boozin' for 20 years. the first months are tough but after half a year it's a very different. you will get your health back and in my case ALL of my symptoms of boozing went away. The important thing is that you WANT to quit. so in short.
1. go to doctor tell you are quitting, he will give meds for first weeks.
2. Don't drink
3. Profit
Again first months are tough but hang in there.
You sound like you want to quit so that's very good. I also made a list of all the bad shit booze did to me and i tell you now all those things will disappear when you put down the bottle. you can do it fag i'm rooting for ya.

>>76329040

Ironic. Should i be offended when a homosexual trans women calls me retard?

I do think we both know deep inside, who is the retard.

Pro tip, its u.

>>76329125
Trannies live rent free in your head eh? You dumb fuck. You bible bashing retard. You room temperature IQ degenerate. You ruin everything you touch, you fucking stupid faggot.

>>76329164

It was you that posted a video of a cartoon tranny.

Repent and be saved sinner.

fuck me this shit is impossible to quit

My eastern euro genes don't mix with alcohol. I used to be happy drunk but now i just get sad and violent.

>>76330482
just drink alone sweatie?

>>76330440
Not impossible but it is hard, you really need to not buy it at all and not take that first sip. You really can't have it in the house if you want to succeed. You also need to take all your usual drinking time and make sure you're away doing something else. You need a hobby to replace it.

>>76330543
Just blow my brains out senpai.

>>76319782 (OP)

If you truly want to quit, you just have to decide not drink today. Tomorrow make the same decision.

After a while it just becomes normal and it feels like a huge weight has been lifted off of you.

>>76319923
There is no such thing as "moderation". This is a cope for addicts. Either you don't really drink or you have like one or two occasionally (which basically means you don't really drink) or you're lying about how much you drink, maybe even to yourself.

>>76319782 (OP)
Im a binge drinker. I get piss pants drunk once a week and then i eat good and workout the rest of the days and I don't even want to look at alcohol until my next binge. I've been doing this successfully for over 15 years. The thought of drinking the day after drinking repulses me and never have to worry about becoming an actual alcoholic

>>76319808
ADHD faggots are so insufferable

>>76328473
im a little similar to you, i used to drink but now friends dont do it often and im usually alone now and dont care to drink. I will say regarding druk, it actually inspired me to test it irl in one scenario where i had to give an extended presentation. It felt so degen chugging vodka and then goinng to my class but i was the most relax and confident ive ever been in front of people. I think in those scenarios its fine but it would likely suck keeping it up daily or at least frequently

You need to not drink and then simply continue not drinking, it is that simple. Personally it hurt to pour away all the liquor I had since it was quite expensive but I didn't drink in 3 years (except for when people gave me chocolate or cake with alcohol without telling me)
I noticed a big amount of social pressure as a non drinking person and some social circles turn out to be no fun with alcohol. You will be annoyed at first but realize the true impact of alcohol later, which helps your goal. Imagine people not being able to have fun without alcohol, imagine an evening where nobody drinks, if you think it will be an awkward waste of time, it probably already is and you are just fooling yourself. You need to think about your future and health and the reason why you drink, if people make you drink, cut them off. If you have friends tell them that you want to avoid alcohol for your health, either they respect it and support you or they are garbage. It could also help to make new friends or join some club that has a common interest which is not getting wasted. A hobby can hold your mind captive and help you through difficult days. I wish you the best of luck!

>>76319808
Confirmed. Alcohol and Nicotine just make me feel like somewhat less of a sperg.

I quit two years ago.
It's allowed me to focus on getting my life together.
People congratulate you when you're sober for a year, but when you start getting to two years they mock you.

i thought about the money i am spending on it

>>76332015
obesity/ overweight % is always less than 50%

>>76329120
It's good that you got your health back, but how miserable is your life sober now sir?

>>76330697
i wish i could do this. but the sat/sun weekend-only rule gradually seeps into friday too because it's considered the weekend too right haha... then thursday cos let's start early and then suddenly it becomes daily drinking

I'm such a socially avoidant autist that I'm literally afraid to drink with other people because I am scared of how I will act. Drinking is supposed to be a social activity you do with friends and/or in social settings to meet a potential sexual partner. I remember being in college and on the rare parties I would go to, I got drunk a few times and could tell I was being extremely weird and annoying to people, and people clearly repelled from me for being a talkative weirdo, but I couldn't stop myself. And then having to hear people make fun of me afterwards. But I did manage to prevent myself from every trying to be a drunk creep with any girls there

And it's even worse because I have a very low alcohol tolerance, so if I drink even one relatively strong beer, like 9% ABV ipa, I already start feeling the effects of it. Having any kind of hard liquor or mixed drink, it takes me only 3 or so shots to get borderline drunk so I have to be very careful about what and how much I drink. It's so pathetic but I can't overcome the avoidant personality disorder.

>>76319782 (OP)
I'm currently in the process, gambling unironically. Top kek. Good luck, anon.

>>76332148
Gambling doesn't even hurt your health. Just your finances.

>>76321253
Kek. I suspected this and reading this thread confirmed it.

>>76332193
What's your definition then?

>>76319782 (OP)
Just started but i figured i'll go cold turkey, reading this thread has certainly helped that conviction.
I used to be able to control my drink but then i started hanging out with a bad influence friend who would day drink all the time, eventually rented a house with him for a couple years and all my control went out the window. Got a gut now and my cardio is no where near what it used to be and i'm starting to feel like a slob. Noticed recently that what would take me 2-3 days to finish (375ml of the 101 turkey) i can now polish off in a single night easy so i better stop now before it gets even worse.
I've done a few weeks at a time of no drinks before i stop caring about it so i'm pretty sure i can do it if i actually commit.... hopefully

>>76319782 (OP)
Yeah I quit. Granted I'm an oldfag so it just became unfun, ruining my sleep and gains for an hour of a mediocre buzz was not worth it. Easiest thing for me to do was just never buy it so it's not around.

>>76319860
>You realize that drinking was just one major hurdle in a laundry list of shit that you have been procrastinating to take care of and caused you to drink. You start hitting that shit head on with sobriety and your life gets better and better. I feel like I have super powers sometimes. Everything's easier sober.

this is the realest shit ive ever read.

>>76319808
>ADHD
Just focus you fucking loser

>>76332177
I'm actually not too bad at it and manage to make small amounts, even though the shit drives me fucking insane.

>>76332201
Someone who drink to the point where they're indistinguishable or worse than a crack/smack head.

>>76332229
An alcoholic is just someone addicted to alcohol. Simple as.

>>76322147
Be miserable fulfilling your calling; or be miserable under the effects of substances. Which way?

>>76333079
Who says I'm miserable when I drink? It's only after that sucks.

>>76328778
hahaha reddit boy is mad! Quick get this faggot some reddit gold so he calms down and doesn't hurt us!

>>76319782 (OP)
>so yeah I used to drink a handle of everclear every day for 100 years straight but I got sober
>how long have I been sober? *less than a year*
Been there, done that. It's nothing more than a pep talk to force yourself to keep going even though you'd trade in your wife and children to get drunk again.

For me I learned to make peace with the drunk side of me. I don't need to drink to keep sane and when I do, I make it well known I want an experience out of it. Usually with a woman I want to do some freak-nasty shit with.

>>76319808
Best post ITT.

>>76333466
>For me I learned to make peace with the drunk side of me. I don't need to drink to keep sane and when I do, I make it well known I want an experience out of it. Usually with a woman I want to do some freak-nasty shit with.
this. back in the day people didnt believe in mental illness, you had an inborn temperament instead. a sentiment pretty much forgotten tru 100 years gaslighting by psychologists. once you accept youre an alcohol and a junkie, you ironically start to use less and in a more planned manner. your loves ones start to respect you more. you regain your humanity.

>>76332100
It's the first months that can be challenging. but you are right, the first time i tried i was indeed extremely miserable.. second try i did not give up and things got much better. It's a trade off but it is worth it imo. goodluck!