>Who is /fat/ for?
For baguette brutalizers working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.
Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/

>What do I do first?
1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/
2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy
3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.
4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php
5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).

>Now what?
Count calories, all of them.
Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.
Buy scales, be accurate.
Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.
Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.
Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.
Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. Not lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.
Drink more water.
Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

>DON'T
Eat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.
Eat processed foods.
Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, Starbucks).
Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks.
"Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.

>Other resources:
Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/
Reddit Wiki: https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/faq

Previous thread: >>76336603

i have lost control of my life. I eat to cope.

>>76343298
I must not eat. Food is the mind-killer. Food is the little-death that brings total obliteration.

Haven't eaten in 27 hours.
Ribs and sausages and greek salad for dinner.

>>76343308
I read these books and related desert media when I was in middle chool. When the movie came out I was ultra excited and when I invited a bunch of people I got called a poser and had people visibly CRINGE at me for trying ot take them out to see it
oh my god why are people so evil they were supposed to be my friends? Atleast acquantances? IUve had framed artwork since mid 2-15 in my house do people really have such low memory

I' weighing 79.2kg (174 lbs) rn, will I wake up with less than 77.9 (172) tomorrow?

>>76343298
Just replace your cope food with something low-caloric and healthy.
T. start eating banana instead of a burger when I am stressed at work.

>>76343345
I woke up with yellowish fingers one day. Accepting my fate i asked chatGPT what it could mean and it said that eating too many carrots could cause that. I ate like two pounds one weekend. kept a bag around my PRIVATE OFFICE(oh my god why do i keep falling upwards i cant fucking remember a single name)
My colleages kept little bottles of liquor hidden in the office i kept bags of carrots

>>76343352
based carrot eater

chew my fingers off

>>76343352
Alcohol has an obscene amount of calories. Go take a quick shower and go to bed. You can get through this, Monday will not be as bad as you are making it out to be.

tomorrow will be my third week of my diet
only one meal per day, try and stay under 1200cal or only just dinner (potatoes meat and veggies, noodles with veggies etc)

its probably delusional but i feel healthier, more confident and most of my desire for junk food is gone, i do get sweet cravings once in a while so ill ad a bit of fruit or a raisin or two as a extra

am i doing it wrong? i want to see how much i weight come end of july, im 112 kilo and 186,5cm

>>76343364
>Monday will not be as bad as you are making it out to be.
Fuck, it's monday alreeady.

>>76343298
Iktf. Funny thing is, both overeating and strict dieting are ways for me to react to stress and things going on. Diet brings the feeling that there's at least something I can control.
All the advice I have for you is cardio. Get some regular (!) exercise in, changes how you feel, gives you a foundation to deal with your issues. Eat healthy, not a crazy deficit if you have a crisis going on, but something, if you can manage

>>76342006
>i have the motivation (dont look like shit) but not the willpower
Same for me.

>>76343478
That's a pretty huge deficit you're running. If it works for you for now, why not. But if you start to feel fatigued, have sleep issues, strong cravings or the like, maybe up your intake a bit. Watch your makros, keep it somewhat balanced and varied. Get some veggies and fiber in too. And don't stay so low for too long, there's a reason people tell you to avoid crash diets. But some quick success to motivate you in the beginning can be helpful, before the inevitable grind towards the end.

>>76343292 (OP)
181cm(5'11) 7 months training and slowly cutting on food.
SW:121KG(266.2Ibs)
CW:104KG(228.8Ibs)
Tomorrow i will weight myself so wish me luck.
GW:80KG (176Ibs)

>>76343498
i do get cravings from time to time but they all fade, if i dont sleep late i have no issues at all. sometimes at work i feel lightly grumpy or just a bit weak.
i hope that i will reach 107 by the end of july so i can keep it up until january (so no candy fast food etc until 2026) so ill be at my preferable weighth, then ill also be fully commitet in the gym and focus on strength

it doesnt help that my family offers me chocolates and icecream all the time but i believe this is a test of self worth and respect

>need to start taking fiber so my ass stops bleeding
>dont want to start taking fiber because its gonna make the scale go up

>>76343493
>he is not system-maxing
>relying on willpower and motivation

>>76343528
>if i dont sleep late i have no issues at all
Not having enough sleep is the ultimate gain goblin

>>76343558
yeah i noticed, but even then i can do it

i have been fat for almost 9 years, no more

this is my life, my own decisions, my own failures how can i claim to be a man if i dont regulate my own feelings? (hunger) that i ate like a toddler for years im done being a passive observer i must activly shape my own life

>>76343576
>regulate your feeling
Just develop habit that make eating unhealthy shit harder.
Motivation such as this will result in a rebound.
Developing a steady habit is better for this instance.

>>76343483
its not even Sunday yet???

And leave forever?

5'10" 210lb, down 20lbs over the last 2 months.

I just jogged my usual 5 mile walk route for the first time and my knees actually arent killing me. I was afraid that theyd feel terrible because of all the backpacking i did in my teens, but they feel no different than after walking, Im just sweatier. This is great cause one of the ligaments in my left knee is messed up and hurts the second i start using my stationary bike. Im going to try and keep up the jogging as long as the weather lets me.

>>76343582
i understand, but i am extremely stubborn.
if i focus on one thing i can achieve it, but once im at my desired weighth ill eat more balanced

>>76343659
I am from the future

I'm moving home and will be throwing this away.
I never made it. I don't post here anymore, and I have regained half the weight I lost. I am just a cringe fat faggot virgin.
But I did have a good time with you frens. Hope all of you will make it. I will try to come back, but will likely fail again, as I've done many times.

>>76343752

>>76343752
Current weight? Also why are you moving home?

Fatty contest
WitnessNe
127.4

>>76343752
Keep fighting.
This is the second time I gained back all the weight I lost.
It's only truly over when you give up and accept your weakness.

Fatty Contest
WitnessMe
127.4

>>76343752
Post fatty contest name

Fatty contest
WitnessMe
127.4 KG

>stagnating after losing 22lb

is there a way to hurt myself so that eating is painful but it wont be permanent?

>>76343807
Very spicy food

>>76343807
I dunno get a dog shock collar or something

>>76343792
PeakedIn2010, must be around 91kg by now, not even keeping track.

>>76343811
That just make it taste better

>>76343825
Then it's still not spicy enough

>>76343771
>>76343791
>>76343797
retard

>>76343827
you underestimate how yummy spicy stuff is

>>76343752
Failure is how we learn fren. I wish you all the best. You will make it, if these are the hard times, there's better ones coming. We're always here for you.

>>76343836
Pepper spray your fucking food

>>76343752
Just because you don’t feel able to keep going now, doesn’t mean it’s over. You can come back to it whenever you want. In the mean time, remember every calorie you don’t overeat is one fewer calorie you have to get rid of later. Even if that means eating 400 calories over maintenance instead of 500, it still helps long term.

>>76343866
:3

Wtf with the water weight shit. I binged on the 30th and the scale still hasn't gone down since.

>Night weight 215
>Morning weight 214
Aren't i supposed to lose like 5lbs during the night?

>>76343832

Fatty Contest
LardLad
180.6 lbs

How many calories can I expect to burn on a 5 hr walk?

>>76343885
It depends. How much do you weigh? How fast are you going to walk? What's the temperature outside?
Either way, not a whole lot.

>>76343885
Do not walk over 2 hours or you hit diminishing returns

>>76343752
Hope to see you come back soon anon, its never too late for self improvement.

>>76343885
https://www.omnicalculator.com/sports/walking-calorie

>>76343887
>not a whole lot

Assuming he's obese, given in the 2nd hour his body will cause his walking to become less calorie burning and even less later on it's probably around 1100-1400 calories.

I've seen so many posts from anons saying they lose the weight but they gain it back. My question is how? If you are willing to go through so much to lose weight, how do you just casually gain it all back. Seems to me that the willpower/motivation to cut must be a lot greater than the bit required to maintain. Is it an issue with not setting up a proper routine for maintenance and losing momentum?

>>76343919
85% of people gain it back, you are not special.

>>76343888
It’s actually 6,000 steps

>>76343924
>85% of people gain it back
I'm sure you've got studies backing that up, and not from grifters pushing semaglutides or bariatric surgery. Mind sharing them?

>>76343933
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5764193/

Fatty Contest
ReformedNihilist
87.9kg

86.5 was the lowest weight ive been for a long time, and i remember people treating me good back then,
i am almost at that weight but with more muscle (and ill keep being leaner), and people treat me good again,
but beyond the pettiness of people,
the fact that ill be lighter than ive been for so many years or so brings me joy

im going to eventually cross the finish line, be ripped and not be stuck back again at life (hopefully)

as my name suggests, im a Reformed Nihilist “life sucks, its so hard, why even bother with the effort, aaaa lemme bitch” type,
but im a changed man now,
and i will be even better in time

we live by grace, and grace is what sustains us,
and i hope grace abides by us

Fatty Contest
ReformedNihilist
87.9kg

86.5 was the lowest weight ive been for a long time, and i remember people treating me good back then,
i am almost at that weight but with more muscle (and ill keep being leaner), and people treat me good again,
but beyond the pettiness of people,
the fact that ill be lighter than ive been for so many years or so brings me joy

im going to eventually cross the finish line, be ripped and not be stuck back again at life (hopefully)

as my name suggests, im a Reformed Nihilist “life sucks, its so hard, why even bother with the effort, aaaa lemme bitch” type,
but im a changed man now,
and i will be even better in time

we live by grace, and grace is what sustains us,
and i hope grace abides by us.

Ive asked this before and got no replies but it happened again.
So yesterday i was at my minimum weight hoping to go beyond that minimum. I ate around 1800 calories, i ate literally bean stew for lunch and some ham and bread for dinner, no snacks no nothing. My weight ballooned up at night to 2kg more than in the morning and this morning i "gained" 1.2kg as opposed to yesterday morning. This always happens when im close to minimum, no matter how little i eat it goes way up. Is that water weight? How does this work? Whats going on cause i was most definitely in caloric deficit

>>76343938
>>76343944
retard

>>76343947
reformed nihilist here

so when you eat certain foods, your fat cells and body baloons up with water,
it happens with me when i eat wheat or carb high food, or even diet soda

you seem sensitive to it like me,
i suggest getting onto psmf diet (look up lyle mcdonald’s rapid fat loss book or his videos on it) if you can tolerate, or keeping minimal carbs while cutting and get most of your calories from protein

>>76343948
imagine solving the captcha just to type this, rofl

>>76343974
I dont wanna do a fad diet and yoyo back after couple of months. Im doing good, i lost 20lbs after 6 months, its pretty slow but its sure, i guess i would like the loss to be just a tad faster. Look, i know i ate yesterday at a deficit and i eat at a deficit almost every day so i know im gonna lose weight. This has happened before and i surely lose like a half a kg every two weeks so im sure ill get past it, i just wish i didnt balloon so much after a bit of carbs

Fatty Contest
Eumenes
96.3kg
193cm

>>76343974
>>76343983
Now i realized i couldve had for dinner like 2 boiled eggs, cottage cheese and half a slice of bread instead of a bunch of bread and this wouldnt have happened. Thats an idea for the future

>>76343983
psmf isnt a fad diet,
its serious and used by serious people,
either way we do whatever helps right,
just reduce the carbs and increase protein,
that should fix it

also look for special protein bread instead of regular bread, thatll help a lot

>>76343508
good luck champ

>>76343999
Just checked it out, wayyyy to extreme, no carbs and way too low calories
Thats not for me
I just eat clean and eat less

Fatty Contest
BeefyWeiner
189.0 lb
5'9"

>>76344055
Same settis. What's your goal weight?

i was doing really well this week, but sadly i am an alcoholic and i binged yesterday. :(

>>76343919
>Is it an issue with not setting up a proper routine for maintenance and losing momentum?
Yeah pretty much

If you just rely on motivation to lose weight then that motivation will eventually disappear. Worse, it can backfire if you are burnt out and get depressed.
People are also creatures of habit and comfort. If you get comfortable with life then you go back to bad habits. I've seen so many people work hard to get fit, and then when they get a partner they go back to gaining weight, usually dragging their partner down with them.

Fatty Contest
GlizzyEnjoyer
239

How do I sleepmaxx? Did any of you manage to significantly improve/increase your sleep?

I do not use an alarm clock, but nevertheless I typically only sleep 6 hours. Should I go to bed earlier, maybe? I currently go to bed around midnight, but I guess I could change that to something like 10:30 pm.

>>76343752
i gained a lot of weight back as well. I just started redoing the fattycontest after almost a year. giving up is for queers, no offense.

>>76344079
For me I can't sleep well if I get any caffeine whatsoever. It will inevitably mess with my sleep.

>>76343292 (OP)
Been stuck at 177lbs at 1800 cals tracked to the best of my ability. How much more should I drop it?

I've been dieting for a month and I still get cravings for fast food and unhealthy snacks. I've heard they should disappear in three weeks or so since that's how long it takes for new habits to form. Was it wrong? Or am I doing something wrong?

>>76344079
I'm blessed in that I sleep well and with relatively little effort, but here's some advice I'd give for things that help. Some more important, some less important. Some I'd only recommend if you have trouble with it (bluelight hygiene for example)
- No caffeine within at least 6, preferably 10 hours of going to bed. Limit caffeine to before midday to be safe. Supposedly the half time of caffeine is something ridiculous like 6 hours. This also means no ice-teas or soft drinks that have caffeine. Hard mode: No black teas either.
- Hygiene: Take a shower before going to bed, preferably a cool one. Gets the dirt off you. If you are a morning showerer like me, in summer it may be worth showering morning and evening.
- Space hygiene: Try not to use your bed for anything except sleep. No reading, no scroooling, no videos. Maybe books, preferably not even those. Try to get to associate bed with sleep.
- Make the way you sleep enjoyable. Decent mattress (this does not mean expensive), good sheets that are nice to touch. The big improvement here for me was a side-sleeper pillow that I adore and can't go without anymore.
- Go to sleep and wake up with light. In summer that means open blinds so when the sun rises it helps you get up. In winter that may be a light alarm clock. Same for going to sleep: Darken it if you have trouble falling asleep.
- No blue light (PC, TV or phone) within 2 hours of sleep will help you get tired.
- Exercise, in the evenings is especially effective in my opinion. Maybe just before showering. Exhaustion makes you sleep better.
- Keep the room temperature comfortable, I prefer to sleep on the slightly cooler side.
- Fresh air, have some plants and open the windows to let in fresh air before going to bed.
- Lose weight, being fat makes sleep worse.
- If none of those help, melatonin is an option.
That should be all, may you have good sleep and nice dreams anon.

>>76344127
>Fat shit trying to give advice
lmao

>>76344117
Habits don't form out of nowhere, you need to establish them.
If you don't put effort into changing your mindset and making the alternative enjoyable, not good habits have a chance to form, if for example you lust after greasy fatty foods the entire time and all that stops you from indulging is willpower, nothing will change.
Try to put more effort into mentally reframing these foods, find alternatives that are healthy and enjoyable (for example if you cook foods that are healthy but really enjoyable both in taste and satiety, your cravings will diminish), maybe read a book about habit forming or something. A habit is more than just doing the thing and hoping it sticks.

Picrel is my notes I took on "atomic habits" by james clear (granted that was years ago).
These are intended as notes for myself rather than for others, but maybe my autistic tendency to summarize non fiction books I read can be of help to you too.

>>76344142
Thank you for your insight anon.

>>76344142
>in the fatty general
Impressive retardation, post body.

>>76343944
Happy for you anon.
The nihilistic you back then was right, in that there is no reason to bother and yet the reformed you now is also right in that we do not need a reason.
The labor itself and the fruits it bears are the reward and reason enough. You're going to make it.

>>76344117
It depends
Strong cravings can mean you have a deficiency, and your body knows those foods have what you're lacking. Make sure you're not too restrictive, like eating the same things every day.
It can also help to log everything you eat into an app, and it should pinpoint what exactly it is. You can also use a vague chart like this one and try that out.

Fatty Contest
FairySchizo
241 lbs
>>76343919
Depression leads to negligence. I live in a suburb where most others around are also fat and do little exercise because it’s a car reliant city. Most of everyone here in this thread got fat due to eating excessively to cope with other problems in life

Fatty Contest
justaguy
112.5 kg

Making good progress over here, feels nice. Wishing you anons the best too.

>>76344180
america is dumb for making car reliant infrastructure. we should do walkable cities. better for the environment too. but you just know that assholes will start charging motherfuckers more on rent because you'll be flush with cash because you don't pay for fuel and car insurance.

>>76344144
Theres some good insight in there especially the part on consistency over intensity, thats what will carry the outliers who are successful in long term weight loss and avoid the yo-yo

>>76344144
nta but some of this is stuff I've never thought about, thanks

>>76344203
>>76344208
Glad it could be of help.

>>76344193
The mentality on housing is here pretty wild and fucked up. With what you said, new houses are also built like shit compared to old ones, and we don’t build many apartment buildings either.
I visited Japan twice last year and I felt my old habits melt away as I had to walk and public commute everywhere. Nearly everyone was in shape so it made me want to stay in shape, so when I got home the opposite effect hit me hard, gaining 40lbs from my old maintenance weight of 200

>ozempic literally just destroys your hunger
>cicocel tards still think you need to count calories and macros to lose weight instead of fasting
>when the drug that cures fatness literally forces you to fast

>>76343919
Unironically yes.
Maintaining weight is not as motivational as losing it.
You are better off having a system rather than lying on motivation/willpower unless you want to pull a David Nogging shit

>>76344079
>Should I go to bed earlier, maybe?
6 isn't enough unless you have that gene for it.
If you exercise, you gonna need more sleep than the average person too.

>>76344228
i have no idea how you got from point a to point b there but its a shitpost so whatever

CW:

3rd percentile 18 year old girl
10th percentile 15.5 year old girl
25th percentile 14 year old girl
50th percentile 12.5 year old girl

>>76343919
It takes up 95-98% of my energy. I don't have hobbies or passions (outside of those that burn calories, which serve as an avenue of listening to podcasts) or the energy to seek them out. Every social call feels like a threat. I'm chronically irritated with others and can't be present because I'm preoccupied with hunger and my calorie budget.

In late November, I let go... gained 11 months of progress back in weeks, fatter than ever and still ravenous despite eating 3,500-5,000 kcal/d. (Granted I have an ED and probably a dash of clinical depression causing anhedonia, but I don't see the constant mental gymnastics, lack of energy and irritability being any different from others).

It's not like I can just give up restricting once I reach my GW. Maintaining will be even more miserable; I'lI lose the motivational effect of linear progress, and my TDEE will be lower (it was this combination that led me to give up in November. I plateu'd over summer, gained from 43 to 44 and remained stuck there as my life fell apart (moved in with my mom).

>>76344249
kys pedo

>>76344193
>america is dumb for making car reliant infrastructure. we should do walkable cities
There are very specific demographic reasons why public transport in the US is disliked by most people, and why suburban communities will often actively sabotage county or even state-level plans for getting them connected via bus routes.

>>76343782
damn blue lock characters are so hot

>>76344249
you are just like me anon. I heard kissing is a great way to lose weight at 2 calories per minute and on top of that there are mental benefits to help take the pain away.

would u like to kiss?

>>76344242
>ozempic makes you stop eating
>fasting is the same thing as ozempic
>but ozempic makes it easier
>CICO tards think you need to torture yourself calorie counting and macro planning to lose weight, fasting doesn't work
>but ozempic is the same as fasting
tard

Wondering if I was actually ar a deficit yesterday.

Went out with family, ate like 2500 calories(slight highball)

5'10 and 168 pounds, walked a bit over 30k steps/14 miles.

Think I managed to dodge gaining weight at least?

>>76344395
Oh I'm 35 too, so kinda old.

>>76344384
explaining it just makes you seem stupider methinks

>steadily lose weight for 3 months now
>hit a plateau since getting a job because I keep stress eating
How the fuck do cope with 4pm stress eating?

>>76344415
Just don't do it

>>76344419
What else should I do instead?
Drink Coke Zero?

>>76344415
https://youtu.be/tqYpeULHffU
the best advice is to refrain from eating as much as you can. it's hard but you can do it. find something else to replace a full meal with, like coke zero. anything that helps you get through it, and then if you can eventually get rid of the crutch, do that too. just don't rely on a crutch that is obviously terrible like alcohol or cigarettes or whatever.

>>76343919
most ppl don't actually develop any good habits during their "losing the weight journey" so the second they decide they are off the diet (for whatever reason) their shitty habits come back

>>76344384
this addresses neither the point CICOcels are wrong about nor the one they're right about.

What they're right about is that many dieters who eat in a way that is unsustainable long-term will quickly relapse into their old fatty ways once the diet is over, and often yoyo to an even bigger size. This is true for fasters and even more true for ozempigs because they never even developed the willpower to diet or learned anything about nutrition.

What they're wrong about is that it's as simple as "the laws of thermodynamics," which do not apply because the body is not a closed system but an open system. There is a myriad of ways in which hormones influence the loss, retention and neogenesis of fat and muscle, and fasting is one way to create a hormonal response that makes burning fat and retaining muscle easier.

Pretty sure my cut is ruining my life. My mood sucks. I’ve lost interest in just about everything, women included. I’ve developed ED. I’m less productive at work because the hunger is distracting. But it all only makes me more motivated to lose those last few pounds and get my abs so I can be done.

>>76344079
>consistent sleep schedule
>melatonin + magnesium + b6 + fish oil + ashwaghna
>meditation before sleep

>something bad happens in my life
>my first reaction is to cope with ginormous amount of food
how do i stop it

>>76344468
It’s normal to have less erections and be miserable on a heavy calorie deficit. It’ll fix when you return to a more normal number of calories each day

>>76344460
CICO is so sure that you can literally depend on it. So precise you can plan months ahead what your weight is going to be on a given date because of steady calorie intake and expenditure.

>>76344477
do drugs instead like a normal person

>>76344486
let's not forget that a calorie is just a unit of measurement, and people should really watch the substance of the calories they consume. 2000 calories of beef isn't the same as 2000 calories of chocolate. the body does different things to handle those calories. while generally reducing caloric intake is good advice, it doesn't address the problem of obesity in broader terms because obesity is a disease of metabolism, hence the 'metabolic syndrome' associated with it. hormones play a huge part in determining what your body does with the calories you put in it, and the substance of those calories influences which hormones are released to address the conversion of those calories into energy.

also, what you're saying is untrue, it's not very precise, and that's because food packaging isn't very precise, and so you can't be sure just how many calories you're actually getting unless you have some sort of equipment to measure that. on top of that, the body will not consume all of those calories like an engine consumes fuel; it will go through a process of digestion and then some of those calories are converted into energy and some are discarded (i.e. bioavailability).

really, developing a habit of abstaining from eating for certain periods of time is key to managing bad dietary practices, so it's generally more advisable than rote calorie restriction.

>>76343807
Inject yourself with high dose GLP1 and you will get sick even thinking about food.

>>76343919
Because motivation and willpower are limited resources while stress and lack of sleep are unlimited and will fuck up your appetite levels.

>>76344451
Most people do develop great habits during their weightloss. They eat healthy at a calorie deficit and regularly go to the gym. The problem is that once you are in a stressful situation and have to stop doing all that temporarily, it's really easy to regain weight and spiral down.
Naturally thin people do not have healthy habits. Look at Asmongold, for example. Dude lives like a caveman neet but is thin as a stick because he is satiated with just a single meal per day.

>>76344384
Ozempic is just CICO on easy mode. You no longer have to consciously think about calories in.

>dont count calories
>Im 20lbs down

>>76344519
>it will go through a process of digestion and then some of those calories are converted into energy and some are discarded (i.e. bioavailability).
Anon the times where we used direct calalorimetry to determine the numbers on food packaging are long over.
Metabolic availability is factored in these days, as far as you can factor that in in general terms.

>>76344460
>This is true for fasters and even more true for ozempigs because they never even developed the willpower to diet or learned anything about nutrition.
80-90% of people who lose weight, regardless of how they achieve it, will regain it all back and some within 5 year. GOOD HABITS BRO is a meme because they are not sustainable either. If you have to consciously force yourself to do them it simply won't last. Ozempic works indefinitely as long as you take it and I don't know where the insistance from some of you comes from that you will eventually have to stop it - you don't, you can take it indefinitely.

>>76343669
I don't know what it is, but I can see the body of a chad underneath your fat anon.Something about your moobs I think could turn into a well defined chest.

>>76344551
>GOOD HABITS BRO is a meme because they are not sustainable either. If you have to consciously force yourself to do them it simply won't last
t. doesn't understand what habits are.

>>76344477
cry yourself to sleep like a normal person

>>76344551
Do you consciously have to make sure you don't shit on the floor too?

>>76344567
Brushing teeth is a habit you pick up as a child. It doesn't take long but many people still struggle with it. Weight management, on the other hand, means constantly battling hunger pangs, only eating low-calorie foods and regularly going to the gym or doing a sport even if you hate exercise. This has been the default advise for fat people for decades and it has unsurprisingly failed. But because people believe that fatness is a moral failure, clearly the fatties must have "failed to develop good habits" so it is okay to shit on them.
I am so glad GLP1 are finally on the market and hopefully will get even cheaper soon. Being fat has taught me that people absolutely suck, especially people like you who deserve whip lashes until you learn to shut your fucking mouth your worthless trash.

>>76344486
In practice, calculating calorie intake and expenditure with enough precision to do that is nearly impossible, at least with home equipment. Many people try to operate on deficits that are below the margin of error and it just doesn't work.

>>76344580
Depends on how badly I have to go to the toilet. And if you feel some pressure, you can easily go to the toilet and relief yourself without gaining weight.

>>76344582
Eating at your TDEE doesn't cause hunger pangs. I know you're fat so you don't understand this though.

>>76344587
Eating at my TDEE causes my suffering all day long, or at least used to. Not anymore, thanks to GLP1.
Also I am no longer fat but finally normal weight, retard. The internet must the last place where you can give out your shitty advise since everyone in real life told you to stfu a long time ago.

>>76344582
Oh you're the ozempic schizoid. My bad.
Listen anon, it's cool if it helped you when other ways didn't, but you're running a real risk of generalizing your personal experiences and using that generalization to invalidate other people's experiences.
It's not even coming from a bad place, you're just really excited to share what worked for you, but it's still bad.
It's a bit like trans people - a lot of them had issues as kids with not finding their identity and understanding their sexuality, then they found a way that explains it, transitioning, so they overcorrect and want to spare others that pain - even if for others their path might not be a good one. That's how you get those trans indoctrinating kids retardation things, it comes from a good place of wanting to prevent them from going through the pain they went through, but in the process they force their worldview and experiences on others. It's quite sad how something this sinister can come from a good place.
Don't be like that, it's cool if ozempic works for you. If someone struggles and asks for advice, you can recommend it to them. But pretending everyone else in the world is a liar and coping and secretly dieting never works etc, the way you are doing right now, is immensely unhealthy. Mentally speaking.

>>76344596
Then you must have a genetic deficiency, like Prader-Willi Syndrome. It's thankfully rare. I'm glad you found what works for you.

>>76344596
>thanks GLP1!!
WOWZERS! GOOD GOY!

>>76344582
>even if you hate exercise

I agree with everything else you say except from this. It should be impossible to hate exercise. It's a symptom of being a complete slob.

There is no reason why someone cant dedicate 1 hour a day to walking. People can use this time to self-reflect, to listen to music, to listen to audiobooks, or to just look at trees in nature and deep breathe and relax.

The only reason people think exercise is boring is because they wont give it a try. They think ""EXERCISE"" means sprinting for 50 minutes straight with sweat pooling in your shoes and dripping down your nose and being on the verge of dying.

Exercise can constitute putting on your shoes and walking outside. People shudder at the thought of that but will happily watch 3 hours of TV after work. Make it make sense.

If fat people exercised that may well be half the battle for reducing hunger. I get that its a multi-faceted issue and most fat people are addicted to junk food, depressed and overworked and overstressed but you know, these people never exercise. People think exercise is only employed to lose weight when in reality the main benefit of exercise is the brain benefit. You need it to regulate hormones.

The first thing any sedentary person should do if they want a better life is to walk 1 hour a day. Alternatively 10k steps a day. Make sure you hit that everyday with structured walking (not just pottering around the office but to do 5-10k steps in one walking session), they lives will drastically improve

>>76344604
I forgot to mention that if people find walking so useless and boring they should incorporate it into their routine

Walk 30 mintues each way to a shop, or to a library, or to work, or into downtown and back and buy something whilst youre there.

>>76344596
>Also I am no longer fat
Physically you may no longer be, but spiritually and mentally you're a fatty. Try as you might, your seethe and hatred are a giveaway from a mile away

>>76344599
Are you comparing fat people with transgender people now? I guess I did transition from fat to normal weight lmao.
Let's just face it, all other approaches have FAILED for fat people and GLP1 have shown a solution for the first time in human history. Of course there will be those like you who demonize them ("tranny drugs") but clearly as more former fat people spread the message to fellow fatties, your preachings will fall on deaf ears.
>>76344601
Or just an enourmous amount of appetite that is larger than that of a normal person. Fat people are fat because their appetite is too large for their body.
>>76344603
Legitimately thank the jews then. Maybe Israel isn't so bad after all, huh?

Under 190 lbs. Around 40 lbs to go
So hungry
We must endure it tho

>>76344604
>It should be impossible to hate exercise. It's a symptom of being a complete slob.
How many normies do you know who actually like to go the gym for the sake of it? Sure, some love specific sports but there are also issues with availability and opportunity.
>People think exercise is only employed to lose weight when in reality the main benefit of exercise is the brain benefit.
Yes, I am not denying that exercise is great for health and mental wellness.

>>76344614
>Are you comparing fat people with transgender people now?
No anon, I'm comparing YOU to transgender people. Not fat people.
>Of course there will be those like you who demonize them ("tranny drugs")
Anon where the fuck do I demonize them? I didn't imply the medication had anything to do with transitioning (that was in relation to your mindset) nor did I say it was bad, in the contrary I specifically said:
"It's not even coming from a bad place, you're just really excited to share what worked for you"

You're fighting shadows on the wall anon, and you seem miserable while doing so. Get help I beg you.

>>76344608
You are mentally a woman and your passive-aggresssive, mean-spirited post is giving it away.

>>76344614
As a society we need to come to a better conclusion than megacorporations ruining humans for profit and then presenting them another capitalism solution that doesnt actually solve anything but helps people to shove less disgusting slop into their bodies

If people cant stop eating the superslop that makes them addicted and fat, what is the answer? Do you give them an injection that makes them eat less of the superslop but they continuet o eat it or do you stop the person eating the superslop in the first place before they get addicted

If society cared about the wellbeing of its inhabitants it would be the latter. It would simply tell megacorporations that they need to change the recipes and kids born tomorrow arent allowed to eat the OG superslop that makes people fat and addicted.

Make it taboo to shove cakes into your mouth. Make the most unhealthy cake healthy in contrast to todays standard. Make it seem loike youre doing something naughty like buying drugs if you want to buy really unhealthy food, requiring you to go to the back of the store and ask a clerk to go into the back to fetch you an unlabelled box with your slop in it.

Somehow society has all collectively agreed that corporations polluting their food with garbage is fine

>>76344622
>No anon, I'm comparing YOU to transgender people. Not fat people.
I am male to male transgender, true. I still don't get why the right wing manosphere somehow believes that calling others trannies is supposed to be the ultimate insult somehow.
>Get help I beg you.
Oh I did and GLP1 is working miraculously well. So much so that I want to spread the word with fellow fatties and make concern trolls like you seethe.

>>76344626
An unironic >no u in the year of our lord 2025, you love to see it kek

>>76344620
There should be no issue with people walking. People need to wake up and realise how healthy walking is. Instead people view it as a pointless endeavour that is only useful to move you from point A to point B. Its a failure of understanding for the most part.

if people knew how good walking was for you im sure more people would incorporate it into their lives. Instead people go "exercise? No I dont run. Thats for sweaty gymrats" And then they give up

>>76344631
>bro let's just fix all global issues
Sure, you can do that. Bernie's campaign is still looking for staffers, last I heard. But in the meantime, people want something that helps them now.

>>76344643
If everyone collectively woke up about how insane it is it would be changed by next year

All we can do is be a voice of reason and hope it catches on in time.

>>76344634
Did the GLP1 rot your brain or was your reading comprehension always this bad? Kek. I'm saying your desperate attempt to generalize what worked for you onto others such that you disregard their situations and ignore their opinions is the same as a trans person saying everyone in their discord is secretly and egg and actually trans they just don't know it yet.

The only thing you've taught me, ironically enough, over all these threads with you schizoing out is I don't want to take GLP1. I was quite interested at first, even asked you for some advice a few months ago (assuming that was you). Now I'll try pretty much anything else first, dear god you sound miserable. >>76344608 is spot on.

>>76344635
I am being very direct.

>>76344646
Or we can be realistic and work with what we have.
>>76344647
GLP1 are currently being tested for preventing alzheimers disease because of how beneficial they are.
There you go again calling me le tranny. My manliness feels so attacked, I better stop my GLP1 now to prove to some random guy on the internet that I am actually a tough, manly guy. Hail victory and shit man!
>is I don't want to take GLP1.
That is fine, you can continue your carnivore diet until you get a heart attack (which your fellow "purebloods" will blame on the covid vaccine somehow". The rest of us fatties and former fatties will take our big pharma jew shot once weekly and get thin.
> was quite interested at first, even asked you for some advice a few months ago (assuming that was you).
More than one person takes GLP1. Afaik two million British people are already on it. More in the US.
>dear god you sound miserable
I am angry at people like you but otherwise never felt better.

>>76344674
To repeat myself
>dear god you sound miserable

>>76344677
To repeat myself: I never felt better but my anger levels are also high.
Concern trolls like you have failed. The genie is out of the bottle.

>>76344674
GLP1 is beneficial for really fat people yeah but what I dont like about it is people are never going to have a moment of self-reflection in this superslop pipeline

>get kids hooked onto mcdonalds as toddlers
>they grow up on a steady supply of their drug of choice (saturated fat and sugar)
>their brains develop around this defect and when they hit their teens and adulthood will most likely become overweight
>They will then get put onto ozempic to counter this
>they never learn how to cope with their sugar addiction but instead partake in their addiction all their lives, taking other shit to try counter it but adddress nothing

If an alcoholic is struggling with their drug of choice (alcohol) you cut them off and hopefully they have an epiphany that they need to change their lives completely

Fat people should also go through one of these epiphanies where they quit all junk food completely. No starbucks, no cookies, no mcdonadls, no takeout. Make everything healthy yourself with whole ingredients

But we dont treat obesity with the respect it deserves. People just ignore it like its one of them things

>>76344685
You know those fat women on /fph/ who try to desperately convince others and themselves that they are proud of their body?
You've managed to be that way, except without the fat. Part of me is impressed.
Enough autism now, it was fun for a bit, but I have better things to do than argue with someone who invents other people's positions as a coping mechanism.
I think your actions and posts are all the proof I need for my case and everything that had to be said has been said.

>>76344696
>they never learn how to cope with their sugar addiction but instead partake in their addiction all their lives, taking other shit to try counter it but adddress nothing
Most addictions can't be unlearned. And you can't quit food either like you can with cigarettes.
>Fat people should also go through one of these epiphanies where they quit all junk food completely. No starbucks, no cookies, no mcdonadls, no takeout. Make everything healthy yourself with whole ingredients
All it takes is a couple months of high food intake for you to spiral down. Shit is fucked.
>>76344703
I was not proud of my fat body. I always knew that being fat sucks in every regard. There was never any delusion.
>You've managed to be that way, except without the fat. Part of me is impressed.
How so? I feel more confident and less anxious about myself now that I am thinner. In social situations I feel far less tense now than in the past.
Keep coping concern troll, GLP1 are taking over the world and obesity will be a thing of the past soon. No more backhanded advice for you to give out anymore.

>>76344712
>How so?
Because your desperate attempts to convince everyone that you are happy, balanced and in a good place are in a strong juxtaposition with how you behave while posting. You even still have the social hatred that fatties often have, where you resent people for judging you for being fat even when you no longer are.
Hence why some anon said you still had the mindset.

>>76344712
You cant quit food but you can quit junk food.

>>76344712
addictions aren't unlearned, they're managed. you learn to manage them by developing better habits such that you relapse less often, until you get to the point where you are relapsing so little that you are considered "cured". well, it's the same with obesity. you need to learn to develop good eating habits (i.e.not relying on take out, dropping fast food and junk food all together, learning to cook, learning to examine your food for what sort of ingredients are in it and its macronutrient breakdown, etc) otherwise, you're going to relapse frequently, enough to the point that it's going to undo all the effects of your appetite suppressant. this is well documented phenomena, look at boogie2988, he's a prime example of this (as a lolcow). dude got bariatric surgery and still managed to not only regain all the weight he lost but gain even more on top of it. dude has fake ass teeth implants because his real teeth were so rotted that he needed to get them all removed because his diet was so fucking bad.

same shit will happen with GLP1. that is, unless fatties keep taking it (which is expensive)

>>76344729
You sound incredibly insecure

Fattycontest
Crisco
226

Had a great week, but poor sleep quality has been derailing me. I just can't get a good night's sleep when im on big deficits

>>76344478
I hope that’s correct. It’s why I try so hard - to just make it end.

>>76344737
Did... did you just do the >No u again? Kek.

>>76344729
I am not trying to convince people regarding the state of my emotions. You called me miserable, I responded that I am more satisifed than ever, that's all there is to it.
And wasn't your plan to stop responding to me or something?
>Hence why some anon said you still had the mindset.
No, I despise people like you who are trying to dissuade fat people from using the best solution ever invented using manipulation, name-calling and concern trolling.

>>76344743
Yep, insecure.

>>76344745
>Literally explicitly say "it worked for you" and "it's coming from a good place"
>Somehow that means I'm trying to dissuade people from the medication
Impressive, very nice.
>And wasn't your plan to stop responding to me or something?
Good point, I gotta exercise anyways.

>>76344734
Imo I think a typical McDonalds menu with a coke zero is less calorie dense and protein rich than some of the other food options from the super market.
>>76344736
If you are managing addictions, you have to use up willpower, a limited resource. That eventually fails as statistics indicate. Here is where drugs like GLP1 come into play as they no longer necessiate the use of conscious willpower.
>same shit will happen with GLP1. that is, unless fatties keep taking it (which is expensive)
I hope it gets as cheap as in the UK soon. They pay like <$200 for 15mg MJ per month.

>>76344754
>it's coming from a good place
That is called concern trolling. As in, you feign concern when really you have anything but.
>Good point, I gotta exercise anyways.
Good luck catching that ice cream truck!

>concern trolling
Lmao virgin as fuck

I accepted that my weight is never going to be "enough" in my eyes unless i make peace with myself. I can enjoy life again and still continue to lose weight so i can look and move better. I don't need to be 10% body fat 10+ kg underweight to enjoy life like a normal human being because that's years away from now on, not being a disgusting fat fuck with 40 bmi and 40%+BF is enough.

>>76343983
If you always eat high carb, you'll just constantly retain water and not have the weight swings. Water retention is good for you anyway.

>>76344782
Post body

Lost 1.5kg since my last weigh-in 10 days ago, that's nice.

I'm immensely tempted by fast food today.
idk why, I don't even like that garbage and haven't eaten it in maybe 4 months.
But a pizza or a trashy burger seems nice to me rn

I wouldn't take Ozempig
Sure if you're a death fat of 500 lbs, it makes sense to take it.
But if you wanna lose some weight it just has nasty side effects and costs thousands of bux

Finally under 200 lbs for the first time in 20 years.

>>76344859
Nice work fatty, keep it up.

>>76344859

>>76344855
>nasty side effects
Oh no not the tummy ache if you try to overeat better stay fat which is much healthier.

>>76344810
104kg down from 125kgs at 190cm of height (276lbs to 229lbs at 6'3 for burgerfats) i'm built like a fridge

>>76344874
>false dichotomy, either ozempig or be fat
You have the lardass mindset, good pharmagoy.

>>76344859
Now to get under 100lbs

I want to start swimming for cardio as it seems fun and actually motivating enough than just walking around.

Problem. How exactly do I gain access to a pool without paying the retarded L.A Fitness gym prices? I have no interest in gym equipment I JUST need pool access. I live in an apartment, we have no pool. No beaches nearby, no nothing. How tf can I get pool access

>>76344923
>retarded L.A Fitness gym prices
LA Fitness is usually one of the more affordable gyms, usually under $100 a month. If this is too much for you, you have bigger problems than where to swim. You need to work on your education and getting a better job.

fatty contest
SylveonXGlaceon
293.0lbs

I am going to fast for the entire games done quick event. it starts in like 14 minutes and ends in about a week.

>>76344989
Interesting technique but the number is supposed to go down anon

>>76344994
i lost 1.6 lbs in the last 2 weeks. i don't know what more you want from me. number is going down.

>>76344989
Don't. You want to create long term habits that you'll forget you're doing, not random short term suffering so you can binge later

>>76344486
except that CICO doesn't work the way you think it does and your hormones / diet will greatly affect the amount of fat you burn, which is why all CICO tards end up going 800 calories under their sustainable intake and feel like shit 24/7 while ketotards can fast for days and feel great

>>76345001
Bro, get real, you gained 10 lbs since you started the fatty contest. Not just trying to shit on you here but if your approach so far has bern weight loss through fasting, you need a new strategy.

>>76344460
>This is true for fasters and even more true for ozempigs
surely you can provide a study or show examples of fasters that regain their weight once they stop
(you can't, because they don't)

>because they never even developed the willpower to diet or learned anything about nutrition.
LMAO
HAHAHA
you've never fasted
try going 3 days without eating, then tell me about your "willpower" to eat 500 calories less a day

>>76344989
you are so cuuute and cuddly. i like seeing you struggle to lose weight but at the same time it's like someone needs to come in there and change your diapers so you can get on track.

>>76345069
Disingenuous nigger, all studies done on fasting are short term and you decided that somehow means fasters have a higher long term success rate? Fuck your faggotry, post your fatty contest name.

I made it from 43" to 33" waist.

>>76345107
Damn man. This is one area where my progress feels underwhelming. 125lbs lost and I've only dropped from 46 to 40. I know the effect ramps up as you get closet to your goal, but it felt really bad to still need specialty store pants after 100lbs of Weight loss

>>76344989
Good luck, make sure to drink enough electrolytes and take vitamin supplements.
If you do manage to go the entire week you'll lose 10+ pounds. Remember that every day. You don't remember what you ate 2-3 days ago, last week, the week before that, but you can look down right now and see how fat you are. You don't need to eat, and that meal you're thinking of doesn't matter as much as it feels like. If you're thinking of quitting, remind yourself that you'll still feel like shit after eating, but if you don't quit you'll feel better the next week.

>>76344551
>habits
>consciously force

>>76345125
>>76344989
Also it might be too late to say this but your last meal should have been majority meat + healthy fats, with few carbs. You want to kickstart your transition into ketosis otherwise you'll have a harder time on the first 1-3 days. Once you're done, do NOT splurge on a carb heavy meal. Your first refeeding experience should be a small or moderate amount of eggs / red meat / fruits / avocados, with very little processed carbs or grains.

>>76344935
it's less "it's too much for me" and more "paying to splash my ass in a square of water for 2 hours". It's fucking annoying

>>76345124
You can do it, brother!

>>76344809
Yeah that makes sense. At the end of the day calorie is a calorie and my water weight doesnt affect the fat weight. I guess i eat a lot of carbs, especially potatoes and bread. I eat mash almost every day, bread for dinner and occasionally pasta and rice

>>76344614
>Fat people are fat because their appetite is too large for their body.
Weird how that didn’t become a major issue until a few decades ago. How strange that everyone’s appetite’s were sized appropriately until then.

>>76345232
yeah it doesn't make a lot of sense. maybe it's the food companies putting stuff in the food to make it addictive. something is wrong and we've got to figure it out and fix it.

>>76345088
I'm not in your fatty contest because I've never been a landwhale in my life. The fattest I ever got eating like shit was 140lbs, now I'm down to 130 after switching to keto and fasting. I lost 5 pounds at least of pure fat last month alone and hit a new bench PR, let me know how your CICO autism is going and how long it takes you to get down to 20% bf

>>76345275
>130lbs
lmao you must be like 5ft2 you midget

>>76345305
5'7

>>76345312
hahahaha midget

>>76344582
>Weight management, on the other hand, means constantly battling hunger pangs, only eating low-calorie foods and regularly going to the gym or doing a sport even if you hate exercise
I have gotten into the following habits since the start of my cut:
- weighing myself as the second thing I do every morning (after I pee)
- 10 to 20 minutes of calisthenics every day (a warmup, 2-3 sets of 1 or 2 different compound moves, some mobility work)
- eating quark or skyr with honey and spices after that workout, which keeps me satiated for a long time thanks to all the slowly digested casein protein
- keeping pickled eggs in my fridge
- picking up my juggling props at least once a day and going for as long as I feel like
- walking a bit more throughout the day

All of these seem very sustainable to me.

Next habit I'll try to pick up based on >>76344127's suggestion is not to use my phone in my bed.
Instead, I'll only allow myself to use it outside or when I'm on my exercise bike. We'll see how sustainable that is.

>>76345275
>does not adress my point about sustained weight loss and proceeds to out himself as a manlet.
Fucking kek. Gtfo nigger, this place is for lardasses not 5ft twinks who lost ten pounds once

>>76345315
shit roll of the dice. Not much I can do about my height. What's your excuse for being 250 pounds? Better hope you're 10 feet tall!

>>76345343
The seethe is palpable

>>76345069
/fast/ was full of fasters who kept regaining weight. Half of them were gloating all the time on how they would pig out on pizza and bottom-of-the-barrel slop like McChicken to break their fasts.

>you've never fasted
I do IF or OMAD on most days, longer fasts once or twice a year.

>try going 3 days without eating
I have.
>then tell me about your "willpower"
the comment on willpower and was about ozempigs, who substitute willpower with drugs.

>>76345275
why is your tummy so big at 130lbs?

I was complimented on my weightless three separate times by my neighbors today, and here I was thinking my weightloss had slowed down. That's got to be the most random compliments I think I've ever gotten in one day before.

>>76345364
He's 5'3"

>>76345366
Had a phase like that the last two months, as im getting closer to GW the scale moves less weekly but the results are more noticeable. Good work anon

>>76345376
I'm shorter than him but weigh slightly more.

>>76345395
Paper towel effect

>>76345357
>Half of them were gloating all the time on how they would pig out on pizza and bottom-of-the-barrel slop like McChicken to break their fasts.
Well that's the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do to break fasts. It's not surprising they continued to gain weight. That's like saying people counting calories but eating pizza and hamburgers keep gaining weight. Yeah obviously.

>the comment on willpower and was about ozempigs, who substitute willpower with drugs.
well apologies then for misinterpreting your post.

>>76345273
No shit they put stuff in the food to make it addictive. Sugar for instance. It makes perfect sense. But just because they put stuff in certain foods doesn’t mean you have to then eat that food, any more than you have to smoke just because there’s nicotine in tobacco. Fats have failed this test.

does Amberlynn Reid consume 2000-3500 kcalories per day to maintain her weight?

>>76345008
total nonsense

>>76345523
It's not and it takes a simple thought experiment to realize there's more behind CICO than you might initially think. Are you going to lose the same amount of weight eating 1500 calories of red meat + rice + avocados compared to 1500 calories of hamburgers tacos candy and pizza?

>>76345415
>>76345395
My weight has barely moved in months but my waistline keeps going down about an inch a month so, even though the scale is saying I'm plateauing people are saying I'm looking better and my waist is still going down.

>>76345364
I'm more pudgy than that at 5'7", 98 lbs - but then my muscle deficits are fucking catastrophic.

>MUAC: 20.3 cm
>Thigh: 38.5 cm
>Forearm narrowest: 13.2 cm
>Calf: 27.5/26.5 cm R/L
>Ankle: 16.5 cm

>>76345546
Sounds like you're building some good muscle then, good job anon.

>>76345546
Yeah i relaised that taking circumference measurements were a good way yo keep tracking things. Helps to keep from becomming demoralized when youre not seeing the apparent progress.

>>76345535
Yes you will lose the same amount of weight eating 1500 whether its from fast food or rice.

>>76345550
what about your waist?
sidenote:
can I kiss you?

>>76345562
The old lady who lives on the end of my circle told me I was filling out, said my shoulders were looking broader. I laughed, I only seem to get compliments like that from women over 50. Guys will just say I'm looking good and that I've lost weight. Old ladies tell me specifics. Its hard for me to tell just by looking in the mirror, I just see the fat and loose skin, its hard for me to see the progress. God bless old ladies.

>>76345618
Younger women don't tend to give out direct compliments. Especially to strangers. They notice, they just don't say it.

>>76345589
okay man

IM BINGING AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>76345613
61cm in the morning on a good day.

Was 58cm last year.
Waist measurements feel kinda like cheating though - I tore my abdominal wall doing leg raises in 2022, and that left me with a weird indented protruding abdomen where the gut starts under the navel, like my stomach is perpetually sucked in.

>>76345642
meh you are fine you can get better kid

>>76345639
I just ate a piece of bread with some asiago. was tasty

>>76345639
I downloaded I Am Sober which allows me to put a lock screen widget telling me I am 5 days binge free whenever I look at my phone. The idea is that this visual streak counter will gamify it and make me less likely to succumb.

>>76345666
Good idea satan, anything that motivates is a good thing. I used something similar when i quit the booze

>>76345275
CICO has worked really well for me and gotten me in great shape. Im well below 20% at this point and it encouraged me to eat good healthy foods with favorable macros.

>>76345535
>there's more behind CICO than you might initially think
Proofs?

>>76345420
>That's like saying people counting calories but eating pizza and hamburgers keep gaining weight.
You can lose weight while eating pizza and burgers if you count calories. Just had a frozen 4 cheese pizza, a half pound of greek yogurt for breakfast, and Ill have a pound and a half of chili for dinner. 1800 calories and 140g of protein.

my dad can sleep 6 hours consistently but somehow i need 9
what am i missing

>>76345707
You ate a pizza for breakfast...

>>76345713
Older people require less sleep. That lawn aint gonna mow itself kiddo

>>76345721
no he's been like this even from his youth lol

>>76345715
Sorry I ate the pizza for lunch and the yogurt for breakfsat lol

>>76345715
based and redpilled

>>76345535
yes, why would you think otherwise? the problem with eating 1500 calories of slop is that the portion sizes will be very small because it is very calorie dense food, and you will be hungry all the time.

I walk 20-25k steps a day at my job. At that point, do I really need to go on the treadmill on a day I work? I can do other cardio exercises, but should I still hit the treadmill?

>>76345777
>yes, why would you think otherwise? the problem with eating 1500 calories of slop is that the portion sizes will be very small because it is very calorie dense food, and you will be hungry all the time.
meh I ate a glass of 2% milk and some asiago cheese today and I am still satiated from my 2 meals I had today. It's practically 4 hours till the end of my day.

>>76345786
You can if you want. I wouldn't call it a necessity.

>>76344882
you don't even look bad. Drop maybe another 15kg so you don't fuck your knees and work out a bit more and you're golden.

>>76345786
>I walk 20-25k steps a day at my job
At this point you're probably just barely hitting zone 1, and you want to do your cardio in zone 2, so yes.

>>76345777
>yes, why would you think otherwise?
Because thinking that way is retarded and completely ignores the fundamentals of why you even need to eat. Your body requires sustenance and nutrients from food for bodily functions. You are not going to get enough protein, healthy fats, and vitamins from eating 1500 calories of potato chips compared to 1500 calories of meat and veggies. As soon as you find out about "protein quality" and mineral absorption, CICO goes right out the window. Not every food is equal, not every calorie is equal, and hormones like insulin determine whether or not you're going to lose weight.
You can choose to eat the 1500 calories of potato chips, your body won't be able to process them all, most of it is going to get stored as fat because of the massive insulin spikes you'll be getting, and at the end of the day you're still going to be hungry because your body is starving for protein and vitamins. Meanwhile if you ate the meat and veggies you would absorb almost all of the nutrients which would go towards building muscle and other metabolic functions. And since your insulin won't be spiking as much, any excess fat or protein your body can't store will either get pissed or shit out.

>>76345814
it's okay as long as you have days where u r serious and have a real diet, some days you just feel like eating whatever

>>76345814
Youre not entirely wrong. CICO doesnt go right out the window. Its still important. Its just another thing to add to your diet plan. Personally I think CICO + Protein tracking is most important. Then its making sure the protein is atleast 50% from meat and dairy. Then finally finding out what proportion of carbs and fats works best for you. Honorable mention to finding out how you can fit 1/6th of your daily calories in as your favorite sweet/salty treats and hit your calorie and protein goals.

Had miso soup with an extra helping of tofu for protein and some seaweed. Add an apple and that was my lunch.

>>76345814
That's just not the way it works, and there are many studies that prove that weight change is the same regardless of macronutrient composition. Even if your hypothetical was true (and to be clear it isn't) and 1500 calories of potato chips somehow get turned into body fat, your body would still need to consume an equivalent amount of body fat just to obtain enough energy for its basic functions, so the net result would be the same. You cannot function on air alone, your body needs energy, and that energy comes from the calories in the food you consume and the calories it extracts from your body fat. There is simply no other way around it.

>>76345860
>tofu for protein
Ngmi

>1lb of chicken breast
>2 scoops of whey
>already at my protein goals for psmf
Damn, that is not a lot of food.

>>76344923
are there no public pools where you live?

An hour at the closest public pool where I live costs 4 Euros.

>>76345888
>muh heckin phytoestrogens

i only skimmed, but i managed 8 weeks doing 1500 a day, and it wasn't as bad as some of these anons are making it out. you aren't walking around with a perma hungry debuff on you. that's fucking silly

check your thyroid hormones, even subclinical hypo will make it hard to lose weight despite efforts. so tsh, t3 and t5. in hypo t3,t4 elevated.

same thing witn insuling resistance, there are things like food allergies that may keep your insulin levels bad which will make it impossible to lose weight

>>76345909
more like my protein's digestible indispensable amino acid score >>76345814

how the fuck do i get into running? i went from 440lbs to 187lbs but im still unable to run for more than 2 minutes. all im doing is walking fast at the moment
the moment i start running my man tits and ass cheeks are starting to clap like the first five seconds of Given Up by Linking Park
also i start running out of breath really fast

>>76345924
that's normal. if you can legit run for 2mins that sounds about right for an average. you haven't done any endurance cardio anon, why are you expecting to be running for a long time so soon?

>>76345924
running is a horrible form of cardio, even for light weight people. it puts pressure in joints in massive amounts

try bike riding

>>76345918
how do i check for this?
just get tsh and glucose blood work checked?

>>76345878
Your explanation only makes sense if you ignore metabolism. It's well known that eating a shit load of carbs increases insulin resistance, which leads to slower metabolism and weight gain. If you eat the 1500 cals in potato chips your body will slow down your metabolism so you don't fucking die of nutrient deficiencies, which is why you'll feel like shit - the constant insulin spikes prevent your body from accessing stored fat (look it up).

>>76345931
But i like to run

>>76345918
>subclinical hypo
I never tested my T5 but I know my TSH, T3 Uptake, T4 total and T4 free are all in normal range.

Is it likely T5 is also normal range?

>>76345933
thyroid panel they will check tsh, t3, t4 typically

for glucose you can do fasting glucose in the morning, but A1C is better, it shows how your levels been past months. fasting glucose in the morning can rise in doctor office if you're simply anxious of the blood test

>>76345930
when im walking in the evening i see a lot of old people running and thought if they can do it then so can i. well im worse than some 70+ old dude it seems
>>76345931
>try bike riding
dude my ass cheeks are so stretched out the eat the whole saddle. i tried but i cant ride a bike for more than 5 minutes without my ass starting to hurt like crazy

currently walking at 3.5mph is all i can do

>>76345942
have you tried stepper or rowing machine. they are better for joints, and you can do them longer than running

>>76345936
why do you keep repeating shit that you can disprove with a google search? insulin resistance doesn't make you fatter because it causes you to store more fat, it makes you fatter because it makes you hungrier, which in turn makes you eat more

>>76345939
tsh, t3, t4 is all you need. i just mistyped t5 there it's not taken

>>76345936
sure it'll slow down but it won't shut down lipolysis entirely

>>76345939
>>76345933
the odds of (You) having a thyroid issue isn't likely. it's heavy handed towards being a woman's issue. let's Yes And this thyroid check. you go get it checked and there was something funky going on and you got it fixed. you MAY see weight loss, and if you did it would be roughly 5-10lbs depending on how heavy you are now

>>76345625
How healthy certain foods are vs others is a red herring here, we were talking about CICO in the context of weight loss.

>Been hungry af recently
>Beek eating nothing but protein to suppress appetite and stay on track
>haven't pooped in days
I guess it's time to drink some black coffee?

>>76345970
i most likely have it i remember getting some bloodwork and my tsh being fucked but i never did anything with it

wtf is zone 2 and how do i know i'm in it without buying one of those botnet watches

>>76345956
K

>>76345994
>botnet
just buy an apple watch and google how to find your cardio zones and do you browse /g/?

>>76345994
non-botnet smartwatches do exist
https://pine64.org/devices/pinetime/

there are also dedicated pulse measuring devices, which are cheap.

>>76345987
whatever makes your stomach work. try drink water and do some exercise too.
something like mandarins, coffee, water melon are good for stomach

foor allergies cause of severe constipation often times. things like bananas may be problem for some

>>76345993
subclinical hypo will make your body work a lot slower already

>>76346021
>things like bananas may be problem for some
that shit always makes me constipated, i actively avoid them .

Mandarins often gives me diarrhea though.

>>76346032
same. so that if need to get stomach to work just eat 3-5 mandarins at one sitting

insulin resistance doesn't make cico false

>>76346045
You can inject insulin into people without feeding them any extra calories than they were maintaining with before and they'll gain fat.

>>76345897
how can I find them

>>76346047
probably so. bodybuilders balloon like shit with insulin same as diabetics

also there is difference how body handles fat and carbs. carbs burn more efficiently as heat, fat not so much.

there are even lab studies that excess daily intake from carbs without fat, wont turn into body fat. most body fat in humans are from eating fat

>>76346082
search Google Maps for public pool

>>76346047
>>76346087
that's the exact opposite of what you want to prove
you're trying to prove insulin resistance leads to weight gain, not that insulin uptake leads to weight gain kek

>>76346093
will try

Instead of doing all this overthinking about cico you could've just put the fork down

>>76346130
it's important to find a way to make it sustainable, otherwise chances are that you will regain the weight after you are done with the diet

>>76346130
>fork
joke's on you pal
i drink my calories

>>76346095
elevated insulin levels seem to balloon people. insulin injections as replaced mostly by metformin in type 2

>>76344923
>I want to start swimming for cardio as it seems fun
it is pretty fun, I've been going once a week or so since March.

>>76346047
if that's true it would be because it either increases appetite, or because it makes you more fatigued, causing you to reduce physical activity. it certainly is not because it makes your body violate the laws of thermodynamics.

>>76345589
>>76345777
Why would your body expend the exact same amount of energy when fueled by unhealthy food as by healthy food? Is this even proven?

>>76345814
almond sisters… not like this…

>>76345814
maybe almond moms should upgrade to being milk moms. Bonus points for using their own milk.

>>76346187
i suppose that if you eat too much shit food and feel exhausted due to it, it may cause you to become less active and spend less energy.

>>76346159
Good job anon. NTA but my grotesque body stops me from going to the pool.

>>76346203
I'm very introverted, so it's not like anybody who knows me is going to see me.

>>76346148
>elevated insulin levels from t2d (indicating insulin resistance)
>giving healthy people insulin
which is it?

>>76346203
>>76346226
I used to go to the pool when I was 250lbs. The best part is after losing like 60lbs I still went to the same pool and basically got to dab on the NGMI fatties that refuse to make changes. Embrace the dab pill and commit. Don't hide your grotesque. Show it off and then show how you change it

i accidentally ate an entire watermelon! how many calories did i just consume? is it over?

>>76346279
30 kcal/100g, a watermelon is typically 5kg.. yeah that's a lot

>>76346130
JUST PUT DOWN THE FORKLIFT!

Just 2ish months until my goal weight, and then finally eating maintenance.

These last 18 pounds are gonna be rough, but the reward of everyday maintenance eating will make it worth it.

10lbs to go. The final stretch. Then I gain it all back....

>>76346163
That's right, you're more fatigued with high insulin levels. This means your body is producing less energy. Even with the same amount of exercise, your overall calories out will be lower due to lower base energy production. Hence, even without changing calories in, injecting insulin causes weight gain by lowering the BMR part of calories out.

>>76346364
if you are reducing your activity levels because you feel fatigued, your energy expenditure is not decreasing because your BMR is lower, that's your active calories what are decreasing because you are being a lazy shit and sitting in the couch all day instead of going for a walk or doing your chores, or exercising. you can force yourself to stay active and you won't collapse.

>>76346282
80% of that weight is inedible rind

>>76346389
the rind is more like 30% of the weight

>>76346389
>he doesn't eat the rind

>>76346394
that's where all the vitamins are!

>>76346385
>if you are reducing your activity levels because you feel fatigued
Reread what I said. Same activity level, but just fatigued still means lower energy which still means lower calories out, even if you do the exact same amount of exercise. Your BMR isn't some fixed thing that never changes. It can be raised or lowered by eating more/less, sleeping better or worse, among other things.

>energy production
nigga

Why did THEY make me fat?

>>76346130
Putting the fork down doesn’t work if you consume too many calories with a spoon or straw.

>>76346427
yesterday at 3:55PM

>>76346401
I think CICOfags think it’s just CI, thinking CO remains the same no matter what food is eaten.

>>76346427
To test you. You've been given a curse. Can you...lift it?

>>76346277
I know I should but I legitimately can't.
This has been a topic in therapy, I've gotten good enough that I can do it at this point but only in specific situations, I fucking hate every second of it, and I have to have setup. Not a good basis for a exercise regimen.
But I'm glad for you anon, good job. Both on the not caring and the getting better.

>>76346483
The BMR can go down by 10%-15%- The latter only if you're on a literal starvation diet.

>>76343752
don't give up

Fell off the wagon for the first time in 7 months, ate over 20,000kj
Combination of stress caused by fillings detaching and quitting nicotine.
On the upside, caffeine seems to affect me more now and I am more motivated to exercise to keep anxiety away.
Posting here because somehow /fat/ keeps me focused.

>kj
this nigga australian or some shit heh

>buying some new pants
>maybe I should get a size down from my normal because I'm losing weight
>realize that even my "normal" size is borderline too tight for me already

My guy is out of all TestE, what should i get instead?


TestC 200mg?
Test Sust 250mg?
A blend of 200mg TestE 200mg Deca?

>>76346623
Dios mio

After a bit of reading and educating myself I came up with a meal plan consisting of just "real food" (single ingredients, mostly animal and some veggies) that's 2000kcal and 160g of protein, but only 83g of net carbs.
Is that too little carbs? I'm a planetary-tier obese monster at 5'9", 308lbs and like 40% body fat

>>76346753
C or Sust. Deca causes LVH.

Fatty Contest
LivingGod
73.1kg

>>76346825
>is that too little carbs
no

>>76346753
this is the fat loss thread, brother.

Clenbuterol is a lot cheaper buying it in liquid form, should I buy the liquid form or is it a bastard to use that way and i will end up regretting it?

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>>76346282
alright let's do some quick cope/triage math. it was a puny little watermelon so probably only 4kg. i agree that some of the weight is just rind and there were a few bits that i didn't bother scraping out too so let's say i only ate 70% of that 4kg.

4kilograms = 4 * 1000grams = 4000grams
4000grams - (4000grams * 0.30) = 2800grams

2800grams/(100grams per serving) = 28 servings
28 servings * 30 calories = 840 calories

other than the watermelon, all i ate today was some eggs and some ground turkey, and so a best case scenario means that i will be eating at maintenance today, even though i ate an entire watermelon.

worst case scenario, the watermelon is actually 5kg and i ate the rind too. 5000g times (0.3g/foodcalorie) is 1500 calories. that would put me about 700 calories over maintenance.

either way, i won't eat anything else today and i regret nothing.

>>76344079
good advice itt but a white noise fan really improves my sleep

>>76344415
get ahead of it, 3-4pm is when i break out the packed broccoli peppers carrots and the dip i make from seasoned blended cottage chs

>>76345987
enjoy some fresh or frozen mango anon it'll get you dropping anacondas

>>76345942
>ass cheeks are so stretched out the eat the whole saddle
I have an exercise bike with a proper seat

>>76345942
>>76347706
I have this problem too, my ass is all loose skin and it make sitting on anything without a substantial amount of padding really uncomfortable as the skin folds over itself making pressure points. I bought a cheap exercise bike off amazon when I started losing weight with a really tough seat and I can't use it for more than 20 minutes without my ass getting sore.

>>76347786
I have picrelated, works for me.

>>76344025
Thanks i weighted myself today and was 102.5KG(225.5Ibs)