STOP eating carbs

but i like them

>>76343622 (OP)
But I'm not obese?

>>76343622 (OP)
STOP educating yourself with internet memes

carbs are good but like 30% at most.

getting lot of carbs daily is what fucked human race up. It made stronger societies, but it made weaker humans.

Just like government.

And also why its pushed by same.

Bdw society = business.

>>76343622 (OP)
I'm eating carbs right now.
Faggot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKZF-cDmDWg

>>76343622 (OP)
I've been off most carbs for a couple years and it's like night and day. I don't recommend it for anyone but people who would otherwise be overweight and struggling with overeating.
I could never not be fat because when eating a lot of carbs I was never satisfied and always eating. I worked hard and exercised but it was never enough unless I dieted and again, never satisfied. Only on low-carb am I satisfied and don't want to snack. I'm a normal weight now and everything in my life is better. But it's hard to quit sugar and bread and pasta initially. It wasn't until the third try that it finally clicked and I stuck with it and lost weight. I will never go back. Even though I'm not full keto and I sometimes have a few bites of potato or fruit, I have no desire to go back to binge eating pizza and chips and sandwiches and sweets. My body doesn't crave it and doesn't react well when I have it. Eating low carb just FEELS right. My body likes it more and runs more efficiently. I would otherwise be obese.
Fuck carbs.

>>76344490
let's see that attitude while you lift at the gym, faggot

>>76344393
If I'm going hiking or running or some shit I'll have some carbs. But for my lazy, weedsmoking, lay in bed lifestyle, it's keto to stay slender.

>>76344497
Why would I lift at a gym? Bodybuilding is for queers. lol
I just want to not be a fat fuck. Eat all the carbs you want.
Why do you guys want to try and make a case against it? It works and I've experienced no downsides. And despite bullshit reports, it's actually cheaper to eat healthy because you eat less. I eat steaks and fish and butter and greens and nuts. And I'm satisfied for hours, no snacking. You probably have to drink protein shakes and milk and eat chicken breasts and rice and energy bars all day to pump your iron and try for defined muscles. I don't mind looking like a lumpy potatoman. I have enough charm and personality to make up for my body. The only reason to work out is to get women and I don't need that edge.

>>76343622 (OP)
>Oh FUCK carbs just flew over my fucking HOUSE what the FUCK

I think I will actually stop.

>>76344502
When I ate carbs I'd eat like that. Maybe not 3 whole pizzas but I could eat a large to myself in an evening. That plus the 12 beers during that night and it's real easy to be fat as fuck. Being drunk and filled with pizza felt great and I did it for years. But then it all had to come off. What goes up must come down. Coming back from being an alcoholic and morbidly obese is a hell of a journey. Hard work. It's why I can never return to it. I'd stay stuck there until death next time.

>>76343622 (OP)
But you can't bench without carbs...

>>76343622 (OP)
>fuels you for sports
>no negative effects unless you have no self control

>>76344536
Give it a month. If you don't lose weight and start eating way less I'd be surprised. Get some keto and atkins books for recipes and ideas. But to start you can just go crazy on bacon and eggs and meat and cheese if you want. Don't worry about salt and have all the fat you want. Salads, broccoli cheese soup, chili without beans, kielbasa and sauerkraut, big bowl of bolognese sauce, fried chicken (almond flour), fried fish (coconut flour batter), meatloaf with mushroom gravy, liver and onions, triple meat and cheese omelettes, berries with heavy cream, no sugar added chocolate, full fat triple chocolate stevia ice cream, greek yogurt....

It's low carb, not no carb. There are traces in stuff. Stay under 30g a day and you'll shed weight. Your body just always burns fat when you deny it sugars.

I wish I could sell every fat person on what I've found. It never gets old. I look forward to every meal and yet I don't pig out or want seconds. It's the happiest I've ever been because the greasy slop I eat feels like it's bad for me but it isn't. Chicken thighs with the skin on and then soak up all the grease in some coleslaw with bacon and shredded sharp cheddar. Caesar salads with pepperoni and fried chicken strips and black olives and a quarter lb of cheese. The most decadent shit you can concoct. You'll wolf it down and remain full for 6 or 7 hours. Fucking miracle diet. You just have to give up some carbs. Surround yourself with meats and cheeses galore and make big spinach dips and casseroles, you'll thrive. Hang out around people eating pizza and cake or where there is junk food temptation everywhere, you'll fail.
But once you lock into it, it can change your life.

>>76344606
Not reading all that. Fuck off.

>>76344609
Skip it if you're a lazy, ignorant person. But don't shame the people that put effort into posts to educate others. That's just fucking rude. Keep your anti-intellectual faggotry to yourself, dumdum.

I agree that modern people's lives are so sedentary that carbs more or less just turn into fat due to all the inactivity. However, I disagree that the solution is to cut out carbs. The solution is to become active again and not live such sedentary lives.

>>76344524
people on /fit/ want to look strong, not be twinks. they need carbs for energy. no energy -> no lifts -> no musculature.

>>76344618
Not all of us. For some of us, being 'fit' means not being obese. That's a start. Some of us then may proceed into wanting to "look strong", but once you've shed over 100 lbs you've been carrying you're already strong. Anyone who's at all active and obese has muscles to carry it all. Then again most obese aren't active. I wasn't typical. I ate so much I became obese despite having a physical job walking and standing all day. So when I walked off the weight my legs were envied by people who were into gym shit. But so far I've had no interest in getting into all that. I have loose skin on my upper body to contend with.

>>76343622 (OP)
This is a really funny bait actually

>>76344639
>For some of us, being 'fit' means not being obese
that is not what "fit" means. that's like saying if you don't have cancer you're healthy. absolutely retarded.

>>76344606
I'm not fat but I could lose some weight. I will genuinely try sticking to this advice Anon. Thank you.

>>76343622 (OP)
Carbs are not evil. People just eat too much of them, they should be a much smaller fraction of your diet than they are at the moment.
But they are the best way to get energy. Soley eating fats and protein will not provide as much energy and you'll be sleepy.
Balance is key as always.

I ate a bunch of pork ribs the other day and is like so much fat so it spiked my test and made me really ragey.
so high protein high fat isn't a perfect diet.

mike mentzer says 60% carbs is essential. I started eating carbs again after falling for the meme for over 2 years, and my metabolism shot up. I can eat like 2500 calories again without gaining weight. Before, I had to eat less than 1800 to maintain 13%bf.

>>76345023
warning, i was farting up a storm the first month after eating carbs again. apparently your gut needs time to adjust

>>76343622 (OP)
Carbs provide ribose and diribose which is the backbone of dna and rna....you have a phosphoric acid and nitrogen with the ribose aswell to form dna rna. So carbs are quite important but whatever

Carbs are necessary for cardio and building mym muscle natty, it's why the only people you see on keto are morbidly obese or on roids. Fucking go for a run you fat lazy fucks.

>>76343622 (OP)
>carbs
>non-essential
>t. someone who has never done any sports or exercises in his life

>>76343622 (OP)
I think I'm just going to have a healthy, balanced diet, thank you.

>>76345671
You do realize aryans and mongols conquered the world on 0 carbs right? Carbs for energy is unnecessary.

>>76346122
>aryans and mongols conquered the world
>aryans conquered the world
what in the sukhdeep ranjesh did i just read

>>76343622 (OP)
RETARD ALERT! RETARD ALERT
WEEWOO WEEWOO WEEWOO WEEWOO
OP IS A GAY RETARD

>>76344393
thats valid advice if you have an active, if not very active, lifestyle. If you live a sedentary, office job or neet life, dont do carbs and you'll lose weight. Its really that simple

>eat pasta
>break PRs

Thank you carbohydrates.

>>76346122
they picked berries

>>76343622 (OP)
Okay but why do carbcells chimp out when lifters use insulin to make sick gains? Taking away the carbs and insulin is gonna leaving you perma-dyel.

carbs wont make you fat (glucose). fructose might if massive amounts like drinking juices or sodas

but glucose keeps muscles more full also which is good.

pen jillette ate only potatos and lost his weight without ever feeling hungry. he's a good example. low fat high carb diet. most healthy populations in the world eat mostly only carbs like in asia japs. etc have lowest diabetes and heart disease rates and eat only rice and noodles without fat

>>76346213
berries are very low in carbs/calories, you'd have to eat several pounds to get the same amount of carbs as on a plate of pasta

>>76346296
me and my sister both grew up together eating mostly the same foods.

difference is she loves high fat desserts like chocolate and brownies.

I loved low fat dessert like gummies and skittles.

I ended up being a lot skinnier but the time we grew up

>>76346296
>bro the le ebin 5'2" skinnyfat bugs eat the heckinerino rick aand noodles
kys

Your body needs GOOD carbohydrates to synthesize protein better. You are retarded.

>>76344831
I'm not going to another board to post about weight loss. I don't give a flying fuck about your "gains" or "dyel" nonsense.

Go to another of the many threads if you want to talk about bulking your muscles in a gym that stinks of sweat, and mixing gross powders with water and milk and drinking the sludge it produces. You don't have to discuss it here and we don't have to discuss it at all.

I'm not fat anymore so I'm fit. I don't care it there's flab over my toned and refined musculature. lol

>>76345659
>>76345181
Okay, but I don't have to have half my calories come from carbs. Or even 10%. I lose weight faster with fewer carbs. I DON'T WANT TO do cardio. If I was a fucking runner I wouldn't have been fat in the first place.
What we've got here are two groups and one doesn't understand the other.
>Just eat all the carbs you want but eat sensibly, three times a day and get a few miles in every morning or do a good cardio at the gym!

No, that's not who you're addressing. People who are obese will never become gymgoer kale-eating sensible health people.

Low-carb is for sedentary lifestyle people who have eating disorders and obesity.
If you're in the shrinking minority of Americans who can eat whatever they want and not become at all overweight, congratulations. But the reality is that 2/3 of Americans ARE overweight or obese now. We're at the 'desperate measures' area now and running is simply not the answer for people who play fucking videogames and eat pizza and get drunk and are fat.
I'm just the messenger here. The numbers are true.

>>76343622 (OP)
I will never stop eating vegetables white boy.

>food that fueled humanities rise to power
>is bad ackshyully

>>76343622 (OP)
No. Cry more, autist.

>>76343622 (OP)
I need at least 3000 calories a day and I am not going to eat 4 dozen eggs nigger.

>>76346188
This. But the gymrats need every thread to be about "working out" and "making gains" so really you should already be thin.

>>76346287
>gains

Don't care.

>>76346296
Fat tastes good, chimo. Eat grains and shit all you like. I'd rather feel full from steak and fried chicken than dry potatoes, but whatever. Penn can spend his money on gadgets and eat the cheapest food if he wants.

>>76346365
>ebin heckinerino

What the fuck are you doing? That's reddit shit.

>>76347318
Eat all the vegetables you want. Just cut the carbs. duh

>>76347325
*humanity's

>>76347337
You aren't overweight. Why would you quit carbs? Read the room.

>>76344534
At least there the palestinian flag makes sense lol

>>76344524
>Why would I lift at a gym?
Kek there it is, it doesn't even lift. But to answer your question the reason one would want to lift at a gym is because it's the easiest way to get the physical activity we need but is absent in modern life for most

>>76343675
you make question-statements

>>76347325
Things change dumbass.

STOP eating cars

>>76343622 (OP)
For most of human history carbs were a quick energy refill for extensive work or as a way to survive for a while until you found actual food

Just eat carbs like humans did in the last 1000 years , but don't eat them like a retard or try to Larp as muh heckin based hunter gatherer because carbs are an useful tool comparable to caffeine

Now eat your piece of bread before you go lift

Bread = poverty and slavery

>>76347446
Easier than walking? I don't think so. I don't think "we" need to lift heavy things and be spotted by Biff to be healthy.

>>76347447
I also despise this. My assumption is he's one of those high-talkers who actually ends every statement on a vocal high note as if it's a question, and he thinks it's best to communicate through text as if you're speaking. These people also add in verbal stumbles and stutters like 'um', or 'erm,' or 'b-b-but wait!'
I cannot sanction this personally. Yet I must post among them.

I wish I could eat carbs but I'm like a carb-aholic or something. Eating meat and veggies with lots of fat sates me like carbs cannot. With carbs I'm that friend who can't stop drinking. And I eat so many carbs my life becomes unmanageable.

I did not recognize this until I got off carbs and for the first time in my life I got full and stopped eating for 5 or 6 hours like a normal person does.

>>76343622 (OP)
I can do a one arm pullup despite eating fast food and being an alcoholic

all diet advice is meaningless in the face of training and fasting

I like bread to eat with my meat while I drink my milk

>>76347562
Post body (you won't).

>>76347592

This is the ideal male body. You may not like it, but this is what peak natty performance looks like.

>>76347616
Not you, but this guy is like 5 foot tall.

>>76347629
whats wrong with being 5'10 (T-T)

>>76347616
legs too big
hips too wide
left biceps too far behind
left deltoid too far behind
neck too massive
too wh*Te

>>76343622 (OP)
eggs aren't fat

>>76347533
>>76347447
Hello ESL’s. As a native speaker I am here to help. It being a question implies he is confused by your statement. If he is having no problem eating carbs why should he stop. Which makes sense, because usually people that start keto are fatties looking for a fad diet for fat weight loss.

>>76344612
What's that kid from? I recognise him from some tv show

>>76347616
worst chest I've ever seen

>>76347423
>Fat tastes good, chimo
The primary cause of landwhales' existence

>>76343622 (OP)
>stop eating the best tasting food on the planet especially when its combined with protein and fat

no

>>76347282
>I'm not fat anymore so I'm fit. I don't care it there's flab over my toned and refined musculature. lol
???????
You can't actually believe this right

>>76348113
He's saying he finds that mentality repulsive, and I'm inclined to agree. Imagine Harrison Ford or Brad Pitt talking like that. They don't. It's something women and children do.

>>76343622 (OP)
But what about my homemade sourdough? I'm generally low carb otherwise

every single athlete and bodybuilder ever vs OP the DYEL non carb eater,dis gunna be good

>>76348113
Hey ESL retard, you don't use apostrophes in plurals. Next time shut the fuck up :)

>>76344502
>carbs
>posts a picture of primarily fats

>>76349729
Hey, I was just explaining what they go meant. Dont be a jerk dude.

>>76348123
>>76348011
Told you. you may not like it
But it's peak
Imagine working out for aesthetic and not strength

>>76343622 (OP)
good luck cutting out an entire food group for the rest of your life

Nah, I fucking love carbs. Imagine being such a weak faggot that a bit of rice or potatoes ruins your whole year.

I don't like to stop eating carbs because I've always had high cholesterol

Carbs aren't even nutrients. It's in the same class as alcohol.

no, also im down 35 lbs.

>>76349764
Are you retarded?

>>76344393
kino accent

>>76344393
What phenotype is this?

>>76343622 (OP)
lol...how many grams of fat do you think is optimum for hormone production? I'll give you a hint, it's about 1g/kg of your BW on the top end...which should be about 25-30% of your TDEE.
Best PCF ratio is always gonna be 20-50-30.

>do keto for the first time
>feels limiting at first but quickly just get used to the diet (sugar free jello helps cravings)
>major energy crashes in the first week but that goes away too
>mood improves a lot
>lose weight, feel great
>stop after 6 weeks
>start eating bread & sweets like I used to
>mood immediately crashes, feel like shit about myself, go into depressive state
>realize I miss the diet
Yeah I'm gonna go back to dieting. Maybe just low carb instead of full on keto, but fuck carbs overall.

>>76343622 (OP)
No

>>76344502
Can someone explain to me how it's possible to eat that much? Is an obese person's stomach more stretched because they eat that much?

>>76351378
>>76351378
this sounds similar to my experience. but i wanted to go off keto for the summer so i could eat ice cream and some other BBQ stuff. going back keto in august

>>76351378
If you want, try and score some reta and then go low carb. Reta forces your body into ketosis while still allowing you to enjoy some carbs. I've noticed with it I tend towards low carb anyway because it makes me feel better. If I eat something like say pizza, pasta, or bread I feel like epic shit. I noticed protein pasta doesn't fit me as poorly.

SO WHATS THE BEST FOOD?

>>76351590
Flesh and blood

>>76346296
>>76346310
>/fit/ learns what the randle cycle is

>>76344502
i remember a pizza place at the mall. People would buy a slice. 1 slice. it was the 90s.

>>76351378
>stop eating ultra-processed shit
>feel better
>start eating ultra-processed shit again
>feel bad
>must be the carbs
Maybe try eating decent carb sources instead of slop

>>76348113
Wow, you can read posts more well-crafted than your own and pretend that the authors do not have a commanding grasp of the English language because they refuse to stand for the cutesy and casual social media speak you seem to enjoy.
No matter how you present it, it's never appropriate to place a question mark at the end of the statement. It's simply not in the rules. If anon is sincerely confused by the OP's statement there are better ways to convey that.

>>76348121
He's failing social studies. Larry Sellers. Son of Arthur Digby Sellers. Not exactly a lightweight.

>>76348190
Not fat alone, but fat in conjunction with a lot of simple carbohydrates. If the landwhale can eschew carbs and just consume fat, he will shed pounds.

>>76348247
Then be obese. Those are your choices. And if you're not obese then no one is suggesting you stop eating carbohydrates. The low-carb thing doesn't apply to fit people or people who exercise a lot.

>>76348378
Brad Pitt can talk however he likes??

Because he's successful????

I am implying I'm confused by your statement??

I am unbearably annoying as I do this??

>>76349768
>what they go meant

You don't get to "explain" anything until you can make a single post free of errors. Don't be a retard, man.

>>76345023
Mentzer was a gay for pay meth head roidtranny. He also didn't get fucking yoked on his "le rest big" bullshit. But carbs are essential. Just stop eating excess calories, get a good ratio of protein in and you're ok.

>>76351378
This. You shouldn't go *no* carbs. But you also shouldn't regularly eat bread and pasta. I get plenty of carbs from berries and nuts and tomatoes and stuff. But I stay under 30g per day. I slice of bread has about 20g. So if I want a piece of toast with my plate of bacon and eggs and cheese, I go for it.
I have no taste for sugar anymore at all. If I want something a little sweet I'll get a sugar free coffee drink or have a heavy cream and berries smoothie with splenda syrup. Sometimes I'll buy a little pint of Halo Top chocolate ice cream. But for the most part I don't want any of that.

I had the same experiences you did but went six months. Thought I'd 'made it' and got some pizza and then after eating it felt like shit and couldn't sleep. My body doesn't want to convert sugars to fats anymore, it just wants the clean fuel I've been feeding it.
EVERYTHING improves without carbs: my mood, energy, regularity, sleep, brainpower.

Just actively avoid most carbs and it works wonders. The defensiveness we see here is because they don't want to give up their favorite foods. I don't blame them, but I can't deny how much that stuff was addictive for me and fucking up my life. I don't endorse low-carb for anyone who isn't overweight and unhappy with their body.

>>76343760
LMAO, it's so funny that we have to say this in 2025.

I bet we didn't think this sentence would be a thing in 1999

>>76351528
Yes, and it's coupled with them missing that 'switch' that goes off in normal people telling them they're full. The stomach can accommodate more food, but if they just fasted a day and then ate normal portions it would return to regular size.
For them food is an addiction, and like all addictions there develops a tolerance. They aren't satisfied with an entire pizza to themselves and eventually need a second pizza. Then dessert too. And dipping sticks.
Soon they're used to enjoying three entire pizzas and a couple of sides and a dessert, so tomorrow they'll need at least that much to get them "well". I don't think they think of it quite like dope, but they act like it. I've seen those 600 pounders on the shows gripe that they wanted some immense milkshake along with their $50 drivethru order but didn't get it, or if someone asks them to share even a small portion of their fucking MOUNTAIN of food they simply cannot part with it.

>>76343622 (OP)
Do you realize that brain runs on simple carbs and that it has to expend a lot of energy to convert fats and proteins into simple carbs?
It's never that easy, you need all three, in balance.

>proteins
They're really good for you, duh, but they're relatively hard to digest, quality proteins are pricy, they are very satiating so it's hard to bulk up on them and in certain cases they can be hard on your kidneys.

>fat
good but hard to digest, they're calorie dense, they help to make enzymes, but good fats are again - pricy. Also the unhealthy ones potentially fuck you up

>carbs
it's easy to overeat on them, they're godly for bulking, easy to pack on calories. They spike serotonin, that's why people feel good eating them. They're the quickest form of energy, especially the simple carbs. They're good if used strategically and I'm tired of saying they're not. I got through my mental anorexia phase induced by stress and anxiety of finishing up grad school and working 2 jobs by eating pastry and bread to fill up my calorie needs. Carbs + fat make highly palletable foods that even the hardest "I work better on an empty stomach" bro can't say no to

>>76343622 (OP)
Good thing I'm not fat and metabolically unhealthy so I don't have to give a fuck about this shit lol

>>76343760
What's wrong with this meme sir? To my eye it is 100% accurate.

>>76351958
Maybe try eating decent carb sources instead of slop
Mother fucker the only reason to eat carbs is to eat the slop.

>>76352004
>carbs are essential
Got proof of that statement retard?

>>76343622 (OP)
>fat
>shows an egg
Why?

>>76343622 (OP)
Your muscles won't function as well without carbs. You'll literally be weaker and smaller. Bodybuilders specifically carboload to stuff their muscles with glycogen.

>>76352910
Brain function requires glucose, so maybe not essential for you, retard.

>>76352046
>the only thing that could help me escape it was food
yeah, but then why did you also force feed your children?

>>76346296
>carbs wont make you fat (glucose)
the body transforms glucose into triglycerides (fat). carbs also tell the pancreas to release insuline which stops the body from using fat for energy and induces fat storage.

>>76353097
No shit, that's what gluconeogenesis is for. Mongoloids don't know basic bio chemistry.

>>76353231
>use extra energy to turn thing into energy
>just eat the energy thats easily digested and converted
why not just eat a balanced diet instead of listening to retards on the internet? crazy theory i know

>>76353251
Oy vey muh balanced diet. How about you go back and answer my first question.. How are carbs ESSENTIAL?

>>76353280
Not only are there no animals in the wild that primarily rely on ketosis, but even primitive human tribes like the Eskimos have genetically adapted to AVOID ketosis despite their meat heavy diet. Obligate carnivores actually prefer gluconeogenesis to ketosis. A permanent state of ketosis is deeply unnatural, ketosis primarily exists as a back up system to keep humans from dying during periods of fasting where food was scarce. This is why it's so difficult to enter ketosis and comes with a month or more of debilitating side effects, while switching back to relying on carbs for energy is easy.

>>76353231
>gluconeogenesis
is limited to 180-200g of sugar per day, but if youre training you need more than 200g of sugar per day.

>>76353436
The brain and muscles can utilize ketones for fuel. Carbohydrates are not essential in the human diet.

>>76353516
ketone usage is aerobic only, so its not a perfect substitute for sugar.

Does fried chicken count?

>>76352916
Eggs are over 70% fat.

>>76353516
Essential is not the same as optimal.

>>76343622 (OP)
Why not just eat a balanced diet and not overeat?

>STOP eating fruits and vegetables
Based and burgerpilled

>>76352032
Internet memes didn’t exist in 1999.

>>76354892
yea they did

>>76354892
https://youtu.be/6WpMlwVwydo?si=f5vAvidmiksAMBX2
This meme is from 1997.
I heard about it on a local radio station because I didn't get the internet til 1998.

>>76343622 (OP)
Sup doggy

>>76344385
yeah
The brain likes carbs and prefers it
Ketones are the best fuel for it, but you need to be in ketosis for that. Plus ketones are best for the muscles.
Muscles fucking love fat and ketones.
It's just your brain just likes carbs.
Doesn't need that many carbs in a day either.
20-40g of carbs a day will never kill anyone.
Hell, with exercise even 80g is passable though not optimal
200g+ will kill you.

>>76354284
A balanced diet's carb count is still only 10-20% of most fat-asses carb intake.
If you're putting on weight, you're eating too many carbs because you aren't burning fat for energy, you're burning carbs and you've got too fucking many, fatass.

>>76355267
I killed a dog once feeding it carbs

>>76355285
if your carbs are laced with poison I'm sure it would

>>76343622 (OP)
but parts of my eyes and kidneys can only run on glucose, fatty
>>76344606
check your blood glucose right now, then google intramyocellular lipid. Fat kiss pancreatic beta cells. They are created at an optimal rate when the pancreas is challenged by carbs but not overwhelmed with simple sugars.

>>76355256
Can confirm. There was also goatse, tubgirl and lemonparty. But really :-) and ^_^ are memes. 1337 is a meme. Newfags think there are particular stipulations to memes like having to be top text bottom text, but that’s not what a meme is. Milhouse, for example, is not a meme

>>76343622 (OP)
Carbs refill my glycogen stores, which I need for extended cardio sessions.
You DO do cardio, right /fit/?

>>76352022
>you also shouldn't regularly eat bread and pasta
tell that to se.of longest lived people on earth ever and they will laigh their asses off and throw spaget at you and make you cry

>>76343622 (OP)
gonna buy a rice cooker because of you OP

>>76355267
muscles love fat and ketones? get the fuk outta here.

>>76355267
>Plus ketones are best for the muscles.
>Muscles fucking love fat and ketones.
If any of what you just said was true, you'd see a lot more lifters eating a low carb diet, but you don't because it heavily impacts performance and you're spewing nonsense.

>>76344490
I went from 270 to 190 in like 6 months in highschool from quitting carbs. Never did get the girl..

>>76356910
You went from 270 to 190 in like six months in high school from reducing your calorie intake.