>solves natural aesthetics

I weight 200 lbs

>>76348560
Are you ok? You stopped before you could make any sort of point.
>>76348558 (OP)
I'm 110kg and built my strength and size from calisthenics

>see program/exercise/diet shilled here
>avoid it at all costs
/fit/ness has been solved

>>76348558 (OP)
Yeah i do all this and real lifts too

>>76348558 (OP)
I only do like a couple pull ups a day

>>76348558 (OP)
I don't understand the point of this thread.

This alone will not make you look aesthetic. Anyone saying otherwise is deluding themselves.

>Pullups
>Dips
>Squats
You need nothing more.
>But muh [insert autistic muscle no one knows or cares about]!!!
These are high intensity compound movements that will cause your entire body to be tense during the entire exercise, so you'll get an aesthetic shredded phisique, and nothing will look too small or out of place.

>>76348651
>dips and pullups won't make you look aesthetc
Anon... I...

Anyone tried side ways push ups for upper chest? Biomechanically I believe its the best way to activate the upper chest. Pic related.

>>76348801
Just do dips you dumb nigger.

>>76348799
>Anon... I...

...don't know shit about fitness, obviously.

You're not going to get "fit" doing dips and pullups alone. Frankly you won't get fit doing that entire chart you posted. I would dismiss this as bait but the fact that you haven't been able to present a cohesive argument kind of just proves you're just legit stupid. Let me help you:

This will take you from skelly mode as a brand new lifter (in middle school or high school) to having some basic definition. However, this assumes:

> You were undereating dyel
> You don't significantly up your calories at any point
> You have a high protein diet

However, it's not actually going to have any real significant impact on your strength and overall fitness because:

>You're only focusing on mirror muscles
> walking with ankle weights isn't going to do anything unless you're brand new
> Hand grippers for forearms? Give me a break

If it was that easy, everyone would do it. You were just Auschwitz mode and now you have some very basic definition so you're grossly overestimating your abilities.

>>76348839
Not the OP, pal
Also, didn't read

>>76348792
noodle arms routine

>>76348839
you will get fit doing pullups alone given you do enough pullups. I mean a lot of pullups
not aesthetic yes but fit

>>76348810
dips doesn't target upper chest

>>76348852
Enjoy being out of shape.

>>76348854
Basically. But good luck trying to reason with these retards. 90% of fit are people who haven't worked out consistently for more than one year.

>>76348861
No you won't because there's simply a limit to how many pull ups you can do. It also neglects many other parts of your body.

>>76348558 (OP)
>never posts proof of this working after how many years of it being spammed

>>76348854
>Nooooooo you can't do that or else you won't look like a roided out monkey!!!!
Good.
I wanna look like a boxer, I wanna look like a swimmer, I wanna look like a GQ male model, I wanna look like a greek statue.

I'd rather look like Chris Heria than Sam Sulek.

>>76348871
back more yes but pullups train all upper body
if you just do pullups for a long while and then try some dips/curls etc you will that see that progress there is good already even though you did none

>>76348871
>Enjoy being out of shape.
Yeah, tell that to this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QCpU5RpQ4VE
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5Sxw8tDSUog
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XCgYyB0WDHI

>>76348885
you will look like a baby with huge lats
I am pro pullups/dips by the way, they just do not make you look that good

>>76348885
This routine will give you neither of those. Most people will look exactly the same doing this routine.

>>76348906
>back more yes but pullups train all upper body

They do not. For starters, they don't work your pectorals except for a minor amount on the way down if your form is perfect. Like I said, this will result in basic muscle definition in the upper body for some DYEL underweight skinny fat high school kid, but calisthenics alone will not get you there.

>>76348907

>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QCpU5RpQ4VE
>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5Sxw8tDSUog
>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XCgYyB0WDHI

That guy did NOT get into that shape doing this workout or just calisthenics, sorry. You're just waving a big flag that says "I don't know shit about fitness."

You are seriously fucking braindead if you think that guy got that big naturally just doing pushups and chin ups.

Jesus fucking christ this forum gets worse every year I swear

>>76348907
Are people really this stupid?

Post body

>>76348931
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_HflIk97eg
The guy says it multiple times in his channel that 80+% of his gains come from calisthenics.
I mean even convicts who go to prison and don't have access to weight get ABSOLUTELY JACKED doing nothing but bodyweght traning.

I though this was common knowledge. Is this new to you? Or do you have trouble conceiving that it would work because you have trouble gaining muscle yourself?

>>76348931
you are wrong about calisthenics.
sure random bullshit wont get you anywhere but proper effort and balanced bw routine will get you results 100%

>>76348955
>Post body
The last thing a fit fag says before he concedes his argument.
If you had something else to say you would've said it.
Enjoy another calisthenics transformaton vids that'll shatter you feeble reality, roid monkey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxvPevqCI2s

>>76348957
>The guy says it multiple times in his channel that 80+% of his gains come from calisthenics
And steroids lol
Every single time they post “proof” of calisthenics working it is always someone blasting steroids

>>76348909
You're not going to be able to reason with these people. It's sad but this is the state of normie fitness.


>>76348957
>The guy says it multiple times in his channel that 80+% of his gains come from calisthenics.

1. Wow, exactly like I fucking said right here you retard: >>76348839


>This will take you from skelly mode as a brand new lifter (in middle school or high school) to having some basic definition.

In the video, the dude started as a brand new DYEL lifter in middle school at 14 years old. Just I fucking said. That's exactly what he looks like -- a DYEL with basic definition until, wait for it:

2:10 - he's DOING FUCKING SQUATS

As in, lifting weights. Which was my entire point.

The whole "calisthenics" thing has been asked and answered. It's common knowledge Serious lifters know this. It's even in the sticky. You're debating whether the earth is flat. You don't know what you're talking about.

>I mean even convicts who go to prison and don't have access to weight get ABSOLUTELY JACKED doing nothing but bodyweght traning.

Not true. They do lift.

>I though this was common knowledge. Is this new to you? Or do you have trouble conceiving that it would work because you have trouble gaining muscle yourself?

I'm half tempted to go take a picture of myself just to shut you the fuck up, but it won't change anything.

>>76348965
Wrong. Again, asked and answered. You're shouting into the wind.

>>76348976
Delusional.

>>76348983
Again, you're not going to be able to reason with these people. For some reason they want this fantasy that doing enough push ups will make you look like dwyane the rock johnson or something

>>76348965
Pull-ups and dips especially will get anyone jacked. Sure you won't have that roided out Sam Sulek look, but it'll take you close to natty limit. Inmates have been building killer phisiques for years doing mostly bodyweight training.

>>76349006

/fit/ is such a shit forum anymore

>>76349006
>Inmates have been building killer phisiques for years doing mostly bodyweight training.
AND taking steroids

>>76349006
>Inmates have been building killer phisiques for years
have you seen any inmates in general. They all look like shit unless they are working out with weights

>>76349020
It's rare to see a roided prison physique. Most of those dudes just work out a lot, rest a lot, eat a lot of calorie dense foods.

>>76349006
>>76348965
>>76348907
>>76348976

Have you retards never actually met anyone in the military? These guys do calisthenics at a literal bootcamp where all their food is controlled, their workouts are all recorded on PT tests, and they get drilled as part of their job. They're almost all DYELs because calisthenics alone do NOT work.

The only exception is the marines who, big fucking surprise, lift weights.

That's why the army changed their PT to, you guessed it, INCLUDE WEIGHTLIFTING

>>76349030
AND take steroids
This is a very hard concept for you to grasp

>>76348996
>Guy documents his entire transformation journey on calisthenics.
>"N-no h-he's lying, don't believe him!!!!"
Also
>he's DOING FUCKING SQUATS
SQUATS ARE A CALISTHENICS EXERCISE YOU DUMB NIGGER
It's called weighted calisthenics.

Here's another 4 yars body transformation on calisthenics ALONE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVuSqiA88EE

inb4 "b-but he cheated!!! n-npt natty!!!"

Do you know how many of these videos there are on the internet? Do you know just how easy your point is to disprove?

>>76349036
Cope. Bet you look like shit and call anyone with a decent body a roider. Cry less, lift more.

>>76349039
>posts another guy taking steroids
Every single time
>>76349041
No, I just can easily recognize that someone is roiding
You seem unreasonably upset

>>76349051
>"b-but he cheated!!! n-not natty!!!"
I predicted it like clockwork! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!

>>76349033
there is a huge difference between a progression routine + diet or random exercises
this is why most cali fags fail and others shit on it

>>76349039

>SQUATS ARE A CALISTHENICS EXERCISE YOU DUMB NIGGER
>It's called weighted calisthenics

We've reached new levels of cope. I don't think I've ever seen it this bad. Let me clear this up for you because I'm beginning to feel bad for you at this point:

Calisthenics ARE bodyweight exercises. By definition. These use your bodyweight as resistance. These include:

> pushups
> sit ups
> dips
> pull ups
> muscle ups
> jumping jacks
> jump squats

The problem with calisthenics is there's a limit to how much resistance you can put on your body, because it's limited to your bodyweight. That's why dips and pulls up are the most effective -- you're maximizing the amount of resistance on your muscles by using max bodyweight.

Weightlifting is superior to calisthenics because you can:

> Focus on specific muscles with targeted weights
> Do compound movements at higher weight (Bench, barbell squat, deadlift)

Most importantly, you build muscle by tearing muscle fiber and rebuilding it. You tear more muscle more effectively by lifting heavy weights repeatedly. That's why you have to wait 1~2 days between worked muscle groups while lifting but you can do calisthenics every day. You simply won't tear enough muscle fiber.

What you're calling "weighted calisthenics" is weightlifting.

>>76349058
We're not the same anon.

>>76349062
They fail because it's not an effective way to build muscle.

>>76348558 (OP)
You retard this shit is even more complicated and autistic than just gymcelling. Here. It's literally all you need.

>>76349051
Ive been in jail and never seen it. But tell me more about your expertise on something you have not experienced. If you lifted you wouldnt care. You would be too busy miring yourself. Chances are you dont lift at all and come to this board to troll. Post body.

>>76349067
you are a little clueless
pullups and dips will build muscle forever. yes 40 reps will still build it
handstand pushups
row variants
only problem is arms hence noodle arms routine
who cares about legs

>>76349088
The actual state of /fit/

I'm half tempted to just make everyone post body and end the discussion

>>76349058
>erm I le predicted it!!!
Because he is roiding
>>76349072
Very dishonest and projecting

>>76349093
you think this way only because you have no idea how exhausting proper bw routine is and think its basically jerking off
try it you will understand

>>76349108
Nice try retard. I played sports all through high school and was in the army. I did calisthenics as part of a structured routine my whole life. I just looked like a fat guy with noodle arms. I had like a 290 PT score and was running 2 miles in like 13 minutes. I still looked like a pot bellied guy with noddle arms.

Started lifting in college. Just going to the gym and lifting heavy weight 3 days a week with a somewhat okay diet make me look totally fucking different in 3 months.

>>76349119
>I couldn't do it so you can't!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>76349119
you still dont get it you moron. you dont call random exercises a routine. its just random jerking off
if you treat it like a progression routine and make sure you actually kill your target muscles and then rest until ready to repeat and progress then its a routine

>>76349127
post body

>>76349119
Kek i have a fat buddy in the army rn. Barely passed. Good shape is not required except by sedentary standards. He was the fat kid who sat out football practice because of migraines, though he technically also was involved in sports like you.

>>76349130
I'm pretty sure the United States Army had structured exercises, but yeah I'm a moron obviously some bullshit you pulled online from a calisthenics expert is why you're jacked right

post body

>>76349131
>"post body"
the fit-tard's last line of defence before he concedes!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

>>76349131
Nta but you were told to post body first, but you wont. Curious.

>>76349072

>>76349134
?? its how you build muscle gym or wherever. I think you are being retarded on purpose

>>76349134
>some bullshit you pulled online from a calisthenics expert
It's called doing pullups and dips, retard. Countless people have DOCUMENTED their progress on it. It has worked for ages, and will continue to work until kingdom comes.

>>76349139
I wasn't. I told him to do it but if you're curious, I assume this is in good faith.

>>76349145
>>76349138
>>76349133

Okay now your turn.

>>76349153
Post body fagging is a clear sign of defeat.
You'll also have to prove that's in fact your body.

gymfags mog califags, califags mog normiefags who do nothing, and 80% of guys do nothing, simple as, idk what youre all getting so autistic about

>>76349164
Yeah, that's what I thought.

In case there's any confusion, I >>76349153
am this anon:>>76348996

Again, this is not a debate. The whole calisthenics thing has been asked and answered. None of these guys are going to post their body because we've seen this trope on fit since like late 2000s. You're simply not going to get this big and strong with calisthenics. I

I got this big totally naturally. I don't even drink coffee. It's lifting heavy 3 times a week and doing cardio on my offdays. Namely martial arts, but also running. I count my calories / protein. I make sure I get oats in the morning and try to get green leafy vegetables with every meal.

That's it.

I've had no injuries. Sometimes I fall off the wagon for a few months. But within 3 months of consistent work I always wind up back in this shape. I'm 35 now and looked even better in my late 20s / early 30s.

I guess the reason I'm partially invested is my dumbass was doing calisthenics for years and it was within 3 months of lifting that totally changed my life. I got that information from /fit/ on the sticky. After trying to be a guiding force on here for years I left because of the declining quality in posting. I check back occasionally and am pretty sad to see it's still getting worse.

>>76349164
That's not how this works at all.

>>76349153
Lookin good, big boy. Keep it up.

>>76349168
>gymfags mog califags
In size alone (and that's only counting roid-freaks, and not gym normies and natties).

Califags mog hard in aesthetcs and athletics performace (endurance, jumping ability, mobility, joint health etc). Plus they age well.

Talking of aesthetics, I'd rather look like a DYEL than look like Sam Sulek.

Gym guys have that "look" to them, you know them as soon as you see them. The awkward way they move, their blocky and uncomfortable posture, it all looks so unappealing to me.

My goal body is something like Chris Heria.

>>76349191
Thanks buddy <3

I just want young men to know that fitness really unlocks a lot for you in life. I wasted about a decade of my life with calisthenics and everything changed when I started lifting seriously.

>>76349196
That's funny because you now know exactly what I look like and literally everything you're saying is clearly wrong.

I have seen progress from both calisthenics and weight lifting. But since i do both i like to think a mixture is best.

>>76349189
>None of these guys are going to post their body
I've linked to guys who have documented their entire calisthenics journeys and you've dismissed them. What's a mere picture supposed to do?
Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVuSqiA88EE

>inb4 roids
Yeah, as if a roidtard would do calisthenics instead of pumping iron.

>>76349204
>That's funny because you now know exactly what I look like and literally everything you're saying is clearly wrong.
You can't climb over a fence, you can't jump over high obstacles. The way you move is probably blocky and stiff. If I saw you I'd bet money that you pump iron.

I must admit that you don't look bad, but I will always prefer the slim and athletic look of califaging to the blocky and stiff look of pumping iron.

You can call it a personal preference if you want.

>>76349189
what is big to you? I am currently 185cm 82kg cutting from 86kg and have not touched any weights
a few kilos adjustment and I will be at my perfect weight low fat with abs

>>76349211
This is like textbook cognitive dissonance. You won't post your body because you look like shit.

Posting body on /fit/ is the great equalizer because it proves who knows what they're talking about. Since being on this forum we've seen everything from:

> eating onions
> taking cold showers
> nofap
> Watching porn while you lift

The list goes on forever. When you post your body you show that whatever you're arguing works actually does. The fact that you have to rely on other people to do it shows that it doesn't work for you.

Guys, this shit is not hard. It goes like this:

> Figure out your caloric window
> Eat within this caloric window
> Do a real routine, not some thing you made yourself
> Do consistent cardio at least on your off days
> Rest / get enough sleep
> Try to avoid major stress

Do this for 3 months and you'll notice a major difference. Do this for one year and you'll radically change your life.

>>76349209
Look good. <3 Calisthenics are fine as a supplement to lifting but you look good because you lift primarily.

>>76349224
>You can't climb over a fence, you can't jump over high obstacles. The way you move is probably >blocky and stiff. If I saw you I'd bet money that you pump iron.

Weapons grade copium. Of course I can climb a fence and climb over obstances. Being jacked doesn't mean I'm fat. I told you I was a soldier and played sports all through school. I just came back from climbing a mountain. I did it 6 times both trips.

>I must admit that you don't look bad, but I will always prefer the slim and athletic look of califaging to the blocky and stiff look of pumping iron.

So you can just lift and be slim/athletic. You don't have to develop to be jacked. The reason I'm frustrated is you're sitting here spewing a complete lack of understanding of basic fitness.

>>76349230
I mean you look good, but I'm not sure what your point is. It just looks like you don't work out. You're just low bodyfat with little arms

>>76349254
>It just looks like you don't work out.

man shut your bitch ass up, he obviously looks like he works out, normies would even say hes jacked, why you trying to bring a man down ? thats something a woman would do

>>76349254
>Look good.
Thanks, anon.
><3 Calisthenics are fine as a supplement to lifting but you look good because you lift primarily.
I think this is partially true. Excellent for accessories. But the first 6 months i lifted, i didnt have what i needed for chest and I watched my chest grow in those 6 months with pushups and dips. Cheap home gym setup.

>>76349254
right you are just trolling
thats why I asked you about what is big
you are not a manlet are you?

>>76349039
>SQUATS ARE A CALISTHENICS EXERCISE YOU DUMB NIGGER
Yeah, bench press is also a calisthenics exercise

>>76349279
>>76349269
I'm not sure which anon this is, but I'm being honest. There are people who don't work out that look just like that guy. That whole physique is sustainable by just being low bodyfat. You can tell by how small his arms and shoulders are. Like there are high school kids who have never gone to the gym that look like this. I know it's insulting to his ego but this is /fit/, not reddit.

>normies would even say hes jacked

If you're appealing to normies then thank you for proving my point.

>why you trying to bring a man down ?

I'm not trying to bring someone down, I'm trying to be honest. There's really a lack of fitness knowledge in this thread. He looks like that because he's low bodyfat, so his muscles show. The problem is he has no muscle mass, so if he:

>gets in a fight
>has to help someone move / has to lift something
>Has a girl who wants him to pick her up / throw her around while they have sex
> is working on a site where he has to do manual labor (fix his shed, bend pipe, etc)

...he's not going to be able to do it. There's going to be guys who don't even work out that are stronger than him and he's going to think back to this thread and be like "oh fuck that guy was right."

the good news is he can change it now and look like a fucking beast but if he wants to stay trapped in Auschwitz mode forever that's his prerogative.

>>76349272
Like I said in one of my earlier posts, if you're just starting and you're underweight you'll probably see basic definition from calisthenics alone.

>>76349283
Like I said, you're not going to reason with these people.

>>76349254
>So you can just lift and be slim/athletic.
Or I can do calisthenics, and be slim/athletic, AND have better mobility, AND have an easier time of it (doing compound movements like pullups/dips is waaay easier and much more fun than isolatng muscles).

I'm 6'4.5 and I weght 187 pounds with a body fat of around 15%. My body isn't super impressive right now, but I've managed to go from 165 pounds (skinnyfat, 20% bodyfat) to 187 in a short periofd of time. My body responds extremely well to pullups/dips, and I'm well on my way to 200+ pounds.

Not only that, I olso feel that my body is lighter and easier to monoeuvre. I could easly see my calisthenics traning transfer into soccer/swimming/boxing/martial arts/gymnastics, etc. There's no way I'd feel them same lifting weghts or doing machines.

>>76349230
This anon who you said looks like a dyel to you is how I want to look at my height minus the bodyfat (aiming for 10% or less). Again, think more GQ male model and less bodybuilder.

I don't deny that you can build more mass using weights, what I take issue with is your claim that calisthenics will make you look like a twig. Calisthenics will make you look sheredded and lean and aesthetic as FUCK. Yes, you won't Larry Wheels levels of mass, but who the fuck even wants to do that?

If you think that Brad Pitt in the movie Troy, or Christano Ronaldo or Chris Heria look like dyels, then that's the type of dyel I want to be.

>>76349302
in case you are not trolling but just retarded all my exercises are at intermediate-advanced level progressing exactly as they should if I went to gym

>>76349283
You can do 0 weights squats, now try doing 0 weights bench press.

>>76349344
>try doing 0 weights bench press
Just did it, wtf?

>>76349336
I'm not trying to piss everybody off in this thread but this is what I'm saying. All of this:

>and be slim/athletic
> AND have better mobility,
> AND have an easier time of it

Is demonstrably wrong. Lifting weights is not going to ruin your mobility and it's going to be way harder getting these results with calisthenics. Have you ever seen a fat guy or a girl saying they don't lift weights because "I don' want to get BULKY." That's what you sound like and it's just as stupid because it's rooted in a very poor understanding of fitness.

Those guys who look huge? They didn't get that way on accident. They intentionally worked to look that way. You can lift and look thin.

> There's no way I'd feel them same lifting weghts or doing machines.

That's simply not true. Calisthenics don't magically tear muscle fibers in a special way that's magically different from lifting weights. It's just way less effective. If you lifted for 30 minutes a day you'd have better results than from calisthenics.

Everything you are saying just illustrates you have a very poor understanding of how fitness works. I'm not trying to be a dick over here but all of what you're saying is wrong


>Calisthenics will make you look sheredded and lean and aesthetic as FUCK.

It's not going to do that. You will look that way from lifting weights.

>>76349339.
It's funny that I posted up a picture absolutely mogging you and you still have the ego to try and talk down to me like I'm the one who doesn't know what he's doing. Like honestly, when you say:

>ll my exercises are at intermediate-advanced level progressing exactly as they should if I went to gym

...What does that even mean? I know your feelings are hurt but all you guys on the other side of this argument just don't know anything about fitness. Like what weight are you bicep curling? How many reps? How many sets? You don't know because you're not doing them

>>76349344
You can. You don't even understand what calisthenics are.

>>76349302
>Like I said in one of my earlier posts, if you're just starting and you're underweight you'll probably see basic definition from calisthenics alone.
I think getting noob gains all at proves you can increase mass from calishthenics. I am convinced that lifting is more efficient overall, but done right calisthenics can do the same thing, just more slowly.
I think pushups give me a better pump and hits the whole chest muscle better than any single lift i have tried.
Actually, i think the only reason i might get a gym membership soon is so i can do chest press and cable flies to really isolate them. I feel like some muscles lagging behind my chest when it comes to benching.

>>76349368
>I think getting noob gains all at proves you can increase mass from calishthenics.

Noob gains mean you can get abs from riding a bike. it's cool but it's not sustainable and it's not a real path to fitness.

> I am convinced that lifting is more efficient overall, but done right calisthenics can do the same thing, just more slowly.

I don't think so, and there's really not a lot of evidence otherwise.

>I think pushups give me a better pump and hits the whole chest muscle better than any single lift i have tried.

What angle are you doing your incline bench at?

>>76349367
>>Calisthenics will make you look sheredded and lean and aesthetic as FUCK.
>It's not going to do that. You will look that way from lifting weights.
Then let's agree to disagree. I've seen live examples with my own two eyes and my body is responding well so far (better to when I was doing weights).

>>76349381
I mean you have to do what you want but it just means you're not lifting weights correctly.

>>76349376
>What angle are you doing your incline bench at?
Steepest angle, i think, which isnt too crazy. I mostly just feel that in my upper chest. Lately ive been trying stuff similar to this for my chest/tri workout trying to hit my whole chest.

Bp 4x10
Incline press 4x10
Weighted dips 4x12
Skull crushers 4x10
Only just started experimenting with dumbell pressing and dumbell flies. Db press hits a lot of good accessories. Not quite sure how i feel about the db flies yet.

>>76349403

Doing DB presses at a forward incline will work your chest much better than push ups. I promise. You just have to do it right or you'll activate your shoulders too much.

>>76349414
Im probably going to do mostly dumbell presses for the next 6 months and report back
>You just have to do it right or you'll activate your shoulders too much
Lol i managed to hit my shoulderblades. Very awkward if you arent used to db press.

>>76349367
you did not post stats, just pic in a shirt
and it means exactly what it reads. all exercises that I do progress well and match whats expected from someone who went to a gym for a few years
curls for example 20kg each x15
thinking you have to do specific rep ranges and micro add weights to progress is a very uneducated opinion

>>76348558 (OP)
I got golfer’s elbow from doing dips and chin ups. Lifting and exercise in general is more popular than it’s ever been. People have been yelling at young men to go lift since the 2010s. No one mentions the likelihood of injury.

>>76349446
I'm not going to lean into you here because I can tell your feelings are hurt, but I'll respond with just a few things.

>you did not post stats
...Moving the goalpost, but do you really want them?

>bench 225 for reps for 3 sets
>curl 60 lbs each hand for 3 sets
>triceps pulldown is like 180 lbs for 3 sets

I can keep going if you really care.


> just pic in a shirt
And it's obvious I'm way bigger and stronger than you are. And I did it naturally. Which proves the whole point that everyone shilling calisthenics in this thread either didn't post any pics. The one who did was DYEL.

> all exercises that I do progress well and match whats expected from someone who went to a gym for a few years

>curls for example 20kg each x15

How the fuck do you know how much you curl if you got to that bodyweight doing only calisthenics???

>thinking you have to do specific rep ranges and micro add weights to progress is a very uneducated opinion

And from looking at both of our bodies (plus the stats) it's obvious that your opinion is invalid.

I know you're mad but if you took off your shirt at a pool or walked into a gym, nobody would think you work out.

>>76349460
That's was one of my earlier points about calisthenics I didn't really dig into. But basically if you're even slightly overweight calisthenics is going to greatly improve your odds of getting injured

>>76348558 (OP)
I focus on the big 4 but I also like doing dips and pullups :D

>>76349475
weight/height/fat
if you are short then you look way buffer in random pictures
yes got dumbells a while ago because I cant figure out how to train arms/shoulders with bw, calisthenics weakness
dyel is actually triggering me a little because 85-90kg lean at 185 cm (not dyel by fit standards) is an incredibly hard thing to get to, calisthenics or gym does not matter

>>76349475
>if you're even slightly overweight calisthenics is going to greatly improve your odds of getting injured
Afraid you might be right. I’m 5’11” about 161 lbs, that’s still probably too much. I should be like 150.

>>76349554
>If you are short then you look way buffer
Cope. Bigger the frame, the bigger mass potential.

>>76349554
Honestly there's no reasoning with you.

I presented arguments and they were dismissed without counterargument.

I posted pics as requested. Now the pics aren't good enough.

Posted stats like you asked. Now I'm apparently a manlet.

It doesn't matter if I'm a midglet. If I'm pushing 225 on bench for reps and hammer curling 60 lbs for 3 sets I don't know what you want me to tell you.

And now you're admitting to using dumbbells now anywway which which proves my entire earlier point.I'm not a guy who argues on the internet but this is a textbook case of someone being wrong and refusing to admit it.

No, it's not hard to be that weight at that size. You're over 6 feet tall and DYEL.

Like I said in my original post, you look good. You just don't look like you work out.

Lift weights for a solid 4 months on progressive overload and you're going to look totally different if you diet correctly.

You've got to understand. I'm at my homegym now and I literally warm up on the bench with more than you weigh.

>>76349574
You're not going to reason with this guy. An hour ago he was arguing that calisthenics are all you need to get strong. Now he's telling us he's lifting weights.

I hope someone screenshots this thread and just posts it in response to dyel calisthenicsfags on this board

>>76349603
Not the same guy. This board needs IDs.

>>76349646
No i'm saying you're not going to be able to reason with the anon you're responding to.

>>76349446
bro i didn't mean to hurt your feelings. You look good but i'm telling you if you used weights you'd look great

>>76348558 (OP)
I have to do strength training bc I found out I have too much estrogen (I'm a woman) is this suitable

>>76348572
>>76348810
kek

Why is this thread going on? It’s obvious that you will make more gains with lifting weight because of progressive overload. Calisthenics are useless when gyms exist. I did them for 6 months on lockdown because I had no home gym but I knew I was losing on gains because of missed gym sessions. Lift weight if you want good physique

>>76349592
what arguments?
>no I bench more this means calisthenics do not work
>not hard to reach close to peak natural physique all it takes is 3 months of gym

>>76349801
Bro i said i was sorry i hurt your feelings.

I'm telling you that you look good. It's just you're doing yourself a disservice only doing calisthenics.

>>76349787
t. fatasfatass

Let's see you do a pressup to handstand

>>76349852
Let's see you bench more than your bodyweight.

>>76349787
>Dumb nigger misses the entire point
Who gives a shit about size? Most men would rather look like Christiano Ronaldo than Sam Sulek.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you want to look shredded like Christiano and have high mobility (able to backflip/headstand/climb shit), then calisthenics is MILES above bodybuilding.
If you want to look BIG, be built like a fridge, and have a stiff, blocky gait like you have a dildo shoved up your ass, then pump iron and lift heavy. Gym-maxing is guarenteed twink death and a one way ticket to MEATHEAD CITY.
If you think that Calisthenics won't get you a body like Christiano Ronaldo or Brad Pitt in the movie Troy, then you're out of your mind.

/thread

>>76349942
>I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you want to look shredded like Christiano and have high mobility (able to backflip/headstand/climb shit), then calisthenics is MILES above bodybuilding.

The problem is this is wrong. Like completely. You keep repeating it but it's obvious that you don't know the basics of fitness. This is why you either didn't post body or you were the DYEL who was butthurt that he looks like he doesn't even work out

>If you think that Calisthenics won't get you a body like Christiano Ronaldo or Brad Pitt in the movie Troy, then you're out of your mind.


Source: Guy who doesn't look like he even works out.

>>76348564
>I'm 110kg and built my strength and size from calisthenics
what kinda calisthenics are u doing at that weight? unless you're very tall

>>76349985
Again, let's agree to disagree.

>>76349994
But this is the problem. This isn't a liberal arts class. What you're saying is objectively incorrect.

I've already explained how building muscle works. this is literally basic shite. it's in the sticky. I can hold your head underwater but I can't make you drink dude.

I literally just did a full lift session and a martial arts session. I promise you I can kick someone in the head, bob, weave, duck, throw combos and move quickly. You already saw my body. I know you can't believe this but that's all I have for you.

>>76349994

Here's a recap of this threaed

>HUMANS BREATHE WATER
>Bro they breathe air
>FUCK YOU PUSSY YOU JUST CAN'T BREATHE
>That's not true. Here's the sticky with the basics of breathing
>LIES I BREATHE WATER ALL DAY
>SHOW A PIC OF U BREATHIN AIR
>okay here it is
>THAT PICTURE PROVES NOTHING WHAT ARE YOU 02 LEVELS
>Uh okay here they are but I'm not sure what you want
>OKAY OBVIOUSLY THAT'S U BUT IF YOU WANT OT BE SUPER OXYGENATED THE BEST WAY IS TO BREATHE WATER
>Bro no it isn't
>HERE'S A PIC OF ME BREATHIN WATER
>Dude you're literally a blue corpse with Xes for eyes
>ALRIGHT AGREE 2 DISAGREE

Bro you've been doing those handstand pushups too close to the floor.

>>76350024
>>HERE'S A PIC OF ME BREATHIN WATER
>>Dude you're literally a blue corpse with Xes for eyes
I posted entire vids documenting calisthenics only transformations and all I got was "muh roids", your pictures have no value compared to the evidence I submitted
>>76350004
>>76350024
Cry me a river, roid monkeys, nothing you say, NOTHING, will EVER change the fact that you can jacked on calisthenics.
It has been documented over and over again.
Your pics are worth NOTHING infront of the VIDEO evidence detaling whole transformation journeys (which you have dismissed with the "muh steroids" cope or refused to address).
>I've already explained how building muscle works.
And who are you, Jesus? You expect me to just bow down and agree? If your explanation of hypertrophy discounts the fact that muscle can be built through bodyweight training, then it's ASS!!

I'm gonna say it again because you guys are slow:

1. People can get jacked on calisthenics.

2. Actual people with names and addresses have done it and documented it.

3. It's not up for debate because it has already been done and ducmented.

4. You saying that it can't be done is laughable because ANYONE is 1 youtube search away from witnessing COUNTLESS examples of it being done.

>B-but human being can't build muscles wth calisth-
>*shows video evidence* *shows entire transformation journey*
>B-but it can't... R-read the sticky!! T-the guy's on steroids!!! P-post body!!! Humans breathe air, not water!!!

Squirm more, maggots. People have been getting jacked with bodyweight traning since ancient times, and they'll continue doing so until kingdom comes, and there's NOTHING you can do about it. NOTHING.

>>76350004
>>76350024
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/arSYPecwXHY
>You can't build muscle from calisthenics
This guy's done it. Usng only 2 compound movements. Pullups + Dips.
Now what, nigger? Now what?

The shit I post is worth more than a thousand of your pictures. DIRECT EVIDENCE.

>Muh roids

There's COUNTLESS examples. Surely, they can' be all on roids.

>>76350111
>>76350157

You're a fucking retard. Let's try it this way.

>OMG I KNOW IT WORKS

1. Then why isn't it working for you?

2. You just don't understand how to build muscle, which is why you never posted any pictures. Only one calisthenics dude did and he looked puny.

>OMG MY IRREFUTABLE YOUTUBE VIDEOS

You mean the one where the guy looks small as fuck and then starts squatting weight as part of his program? And your response is that weightlifting is now somehow calisthenics?


>People have been getting jacked with bodyweight traning since ancient times

Jee whiz, even this isn't true. People have been lifting. Gyms have been around before the birth of Christ.

You're just a complete fucking idiot.

>>76348558 (OP)
>doesn't grow shoulders at all

>>76350199
I never said people can't get jacked pumping iron, I said they ALSO can get jacked with calisthenics, and submitted countless DIRECT evdence of countless transformation journeys of people doing so.

You submitted what? A picture of yourself? Looking okay-ish? Like that's supposed to prove something?

Also, the guy you called puny mogs you and 90% of lifters in the planet, and he's built his upper body using NOTHING dips & pullups:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5Sxw8tDSUog

Ian Barseagle is the name.

Here's his transformation from the days he used to be a twig, calisthenics only (in case you want to claim he lifts weghts):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_HflIk97eg

Actual people with names and addresses have done what you said can't be done. COUNTLESS OF THEM.

NOW CONCEDE, SHUT UP AND MIRE.

>>76350267
> submitted countless DIRECT evdence of countless transformation journeys of people doing so.


They're lifting weights in the videos though. Do you not remember this exchange? Do you have brain damage?

>>76349039
>SQUATS ARE A CALISTHENICS EXERCISE YOU DUMB NIGGER
>It's called weighted calisthenics.

>>76349283
>Yeah, bench press is also a calisthenics exercise


These are other people (not me) calling out your "clearly irrefutable video evidence" as fucking bullshit.

You're wrong and you can't accept it.

>You submitted what? A picture of yourself? Looking okay-ish? Like that's supposed to prove something?


Versus the totally jacked picture of yourself you posted.

go fuck yourself faggot. You wouldn't talk to me like this in person and you know it because I'd lift you off the ground by your neck and you'd be spending the rest of your life in a wheelchair.

Discussion over.

>>76350302
>"It can't be done!"
>*Shows him people doing it*
>"B-but, I showed you my body!"
>"i-it's Youtube so it doesn't count!"
>"T-that one guy disagreed with you! So you must be wrong! Checkamate!"
>"T-the guy on the vid did weighted squats! th-that's not calisthenics!!!"

>>76350321
>Says he can prove you get this big doing just calisthenics
>posts video as proof
>Video shows a guy squatting with weight
>gets called on it by multiple people
>proceeds to cite these videos as evidence
> won't post a picture of his body because he looks like shit
>proceeds to misrepresent your arguments as if you're stuttering because everything he's shown is obvoiusly bullshit.

Dude just shut the fuck up already. This is pathetic.

>>76350345
Weighted calisthenics is not the same as weight lifting.

>>76350349

Bro it's a fucking weighted barbell squat.

You're such a dumbass. This is why you're a puny little faggot crying on a anime forum about how this bullshit is going to make you build muscle. Meanwhile you won't post a picture because you have the muscle mass of a canned ham and everybody knows it. Just shut the fuck up already.

>>76350359
>mass of a canned ham
Gave me a chuckle

>>76350349
Ok. If I hold dumbbell between my legs on dips it is no more weighted calisthenics, it is dumbbell training aka weight lifting.

>>76350345
I'm not the OP of the thread, but I'm the guy who posted this:
>>76348792
Squats have always been a bodyweight exercise, and weighted variants have always been practiced by calisthenics athletes (including the barbell squat), no different from weighted pullups and dips.

If you insist that barbel squats aren't a calisthenics exercise, here are calisthenics athletes answering that very question. Hear it from the horse's mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OvoYdpfnbE

The point is: I contend that pullups, dips and squats are enough to get you jacked. I posted this at the top of the thread as my first comment, so this isn't a pivot, I've been saying it since day 1. I said that it could be done, and, I've shown you guys that have done it, proving indeed that it is possible.

Then you came here whining and squirming that calisthenics can't get you jacked.

And now you're focusing on barbell squats as being the only problem in my claim. So have you cenceded that you can build a jacked upper phisique using dips and pullups?

So, let's recap:
>I claimed one can get jacked from only pullups, dips, and squats
>I have posted people that have done it, showing it's possible
>Enough said, /thread
bye

>>76350460
Such a pedantic faggot, I swear. Calisthenics athlethes have been doing pullups with plates for the better part of 2 decades. Everyone categorises it as weighted calisthenics.

>>76350462
>Squats have always been a bodyweight exercise, and weighted variants have always been practiced by calisthenics athletes (including the barbell squat), no different from weighted pullups and dips.

This is incorrect. Calisthenics are, by definition, bodyweight exercises. You can do bodysquats an djumpsquats all day. That's calisthenics. But if you throw a bar on there with weights on it, congratulations, you're weightlifting. This is not a hard concept

>muh youtube though

Nobody cares about some faggy youtube video that contradicts centuries of knowledge about weightifting and fitness.

> I contend that pullups, dips and squats are enough to get you jacked

Well barring the fact that this hasn't been the discussion the entire thread and is now a completely different point than what's been debated (at least with me), I'd respond with:

What do you mean "jacked"

And when you say:
>I claimed one can get jacked from only pullups, dips, and squats

Do you mean as a purely bodyweight exercise (AKA a calisthenic) or do you mean with added weight?

>>76350475
No, nobody does that.

>>76350460
You're not going to reason with these people. This thread is hours of copium.

>>76350462
>If you insist that barbel squats aren't a calisthenics exercise, here are calisthenics athletes answering that very question. Hear it from the horse's mouth.

This thread has reached a whole new level of stupidity. If you really think "That's Good Money" can decidee for everybody that lifting weights is suddenly calisthenics I hate to be the one to tell you but nobody is buying it.

Jesus christ you people are all stupid (and small)

>>76350550
>No, nobody does that.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pmYGt10Dt40
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FLkJxk6HTMk
>You're not going to reason with these people. This thread is hours of copium.
Kepp sucking each other's cocks. Gayest behavior I've witnessed in an internet forum ever.

>>76350567
Oh I forgot, a bunch of self-proclaimed fitness influencers on youtube decide everything for everybody.

So calisthenics are by definition in the fucking dictionary as bodyweight exercises.

But because "THAT GOOD MONEY" and other fags come out and say doing a weighted barbell squat or lifting weights is suddenly not weightlifting because "it's a closed chain" it's apparently gospel.

This makes perfect sense, which is why when you go the the gym and sign up for a calisthenics class everyone is squatting a fuck load of weight and doing pullups with a weights around their body.

You people are hopeless. This thread is pointless.

>>76350565
>Muh squats
So dips and pullups are fine for upper body hypertrophy, right? The problem lies only with squats now, right? You pedantic nigger, Mr. "You Cant Get Jacked On Calisthenics"!!

>dips are calisthenics
>add weight and they're still considered calisthenics
>pullups are calisthenics
>add weight and they're still considered calisthenics
>bodyweight squats are calisthenics
>add weight and...

Holy fuck barbell squats are technically calisthenics

>>76350581
>>76350586

No, you're fucking stupid.You didn't even read what I wrote.

If you do pull ups or dips it's a calisthenic. If you chain a weight to yourself, it's weightlifting.

It's literally in the fucking name.

You're lifting a weight.

>>76350586
:o

>>76350586
>>76350581
>>76350462
>>76350567
>>76350475

See related pic.

Speaking of pics, I've noticed only one calisthenics fag posted body and he looked small as fuck.

You're debating a dead issue here

>>76350580
You maggots swarm the weighted squats like flies on shit because you have nothing to say about dips and pullups since I've posted ample evden of people getting JACKED on them. Like this is the only gotcha you can hope to score.

Calisthenics: bodyweight
Weighted calisthenics: bodyweight + weights
WeIght lifting: weights exclusively

You can't do a deadlift wthout the weights. You can't bench without a barbell, making them weighliftng exercses.

You CAN squat without weights, you CAN do dips without weights. And you can add weght to these calisthencs exercises making them weighted calisthenics exercises.

Now, you are free to disagree with this defnition of calisthenics.

But I and other calisthenics practitoners hold to said defnition. And accordIng to our definition, we beleve that calisthenics is enough to get you jacked. Countless people have done it, and I've posted them.

Simple as.

You don't agree with the definition? That is YOUR problem, not mine. Quit bustng my balls with your pedantic "gotchas", and quit sucking that other guy's balls.

>>76350612
Oh, so I suppose weighted pullups aren't calisthenics, right?

>>76350615
>You can't do a deadlift wthout the weights.

Yes you can you fucking idiot. Same with the bench. They do it in the army all the time. Literally any weighted exercise can be done without weights, so your argument is invalid.

>HAHA YOU SAID YOU COULDN'T GET "JACKED"

That's not what I said. I said :

>>76350550
>What do you mean "jacked"

"Jacked" doesn't mean anything. Does that mean lean? Does that mean strong? Does that mean low body fat?

This is why you guys all look like shit. You don't know dick about fitness, which is why you all look like doughy basedboys and DYELs. which is why you have to go running to youtube so THAT BIG MONEY can redefine words for you that literally nobody fucking cares about except you.

>U AND THAT ONE GUY SUCK COCK

No It's multiple people telling you that you're stupid.

>>76350629
No they aren't. It's weight lifting.

You're literally lifting a fucking weight you dumbass.

>QUICK RUN TO YOUTUBE AND POST A VIDEO OF THAT DADDY NIGGA MONEY TO PROVE HIM WRONG!!!

>>76350586
>>76350581
>>76350615
>>76350629

You guys realize you're arguing with the dictionary definition anon posted right

>>76350639
>erm, let's discuss the definition of "Jacked"
Again, pedantic and gay as ever. Like the embodiment of a Redditor's spirt.

>No It's multiple people telling you that you're stupid.
There's literally 2 of you.

Also,
>Literally any weighted exercise can be done without weights, so your argument is invalid.
You can benchpress without weghts? You can deadlift without weights? Are you high?

Maybe I am arguing against a special needs person. I'm starting to feel bad about being too harsh.

You know what little Timmy, you're right. Here's a lolipop, now go play.

>>76350615
>You can't do a deadlift wthout the weights. You can't bench without a barbell, making them weighliftng exercses.

Wow people on this forum really DO NOT workout. Yeah you absolutely can do all of those exercieses without weights. They're just calisthenics.

So your entire argument is clearly false.

>>76350654
>Doesn't consider weighted pullups to be calisthenics.
That's all I needed to hear. It's good to have confirmaton that I'm arguing with a retard.

>>76350676
Then show us what a zero-weight bech press would look like, champion. You can even draw stick figures in MsPaint.

Gee, the length some people would go before they concede....

>>76348801
Why would you not just do chest flies, this is a shitty bodyweight chest fly, I say shitty because it seems so impractical to get a proper rep with good ROM

>>76350669
>Again, pedantic and gay as ever. Like the embodiment of a Redditor's spirt.

The only redditor here is your DYEL ass who doesn't understand the basics of fitness. Which is again obvious by the fact that you won't post body.

>There's literally 2 of you.
No there's more. Cry harder.

>You can benchpress without weghts? You can deadlift without weights?

YES YOU FUCKING IDIOT THEY DO IT IN GYM CLASSES AND IN THE ARMY ALL THE TIME. YOU ARE SO FUCKING UNBELIEVABLY STUPID AND CLEARLY INEXPERIENCED TO NOT REALIZE PEOPLE DO THIS. SOMEONE ELSE ALREADY EXPLAINED THIS TO YOU.

You're just waiving a red flag that says "I don't know shit about fitness"

>>76350691
Jesus Christ you are stupid. They do these in the army all the time. But why even explain? You didn't read anything I or anyone else wrote in the last 5 fucking hours of this discussion and you're not going to change.

Fuck it, I'll try one last time. But if you give a retarded answer I'm just leaving.

Go lie down on workout seat.

Put your arms in the bench press positions like you're holding the bar. Now push your arms up and down like you're doing a bench press. Do that for 5 minutes.

Can't do it, can you? That's a calisthenic.

Now stand up straight with your shoulders in the shoulder packing position. Pretend your holding a barbell and bend your arms up and down like you're lifting a barbell in a bicep curl. Do that for 5 minutes.

Can't do it, can you? That's a calisthenic.

Sit in seat with your back straight and hold your hands at shoulder level like you're holding a barbell. Push up in OHP form for 5 minutes.

Can't do it, can you? That's a calisthenic.

I understand this is how we train the best military in the world and not BIG DADDY MONEY on youtube, Your belief that you cannot do these exercises without weights invalidates your entire fucking argument

>>76350679
Your arguing with the dictionary at this point

>>76350749
Dude, genuinly didn't read.

You could do every weight lifting exercise without weights

Nothing is stopping you from looking like a retard lying on your back doing the bench press motion with no bar

It's not gonna do jack but you could do it, same for deadlifts

>>76350749
Wait I just read your deacription of zero-weight bench press which also passes as calisthenics. MY SIDES!!!!!
I'm screenshoting this.

>>76350763
Aaaand that's why you think a barbell squat is calisthenics. Actual retard detected.

>>76350774
Good. Keep a picture of how fucking stupid you are. You can keep it next to all the pictures of your pathetic body that you refuse to post.

>>76350768
Dude you're not going to reason with this guy. He doesn't even understand how to build basic muscle. He's a fucing idiot.

>>76350774

Wow that's weird how me and other people came up with this same description.

It couldn't possibly be that you're wrong, could it?

>>76350774
I'm going to laugh when you show it to someone that was in the military and they give you the exact same fucking explanation that like 3 other people here have tried to give you.

>>76350768
>>76350790
You two should marry each other (assuming you aren't samefagging)
Best gay couple in /fit/

>>76350795
you should work out instead of sitting on an anime forum pretending you do

>>76350795
Yeah, you lost this argument. I'm done with this asshole.

I hope you did screenshot this thread and it can go down in history about how delusional people can be.

>>76350809
We did it Reddit! Science wins again!
And remeber, love is love, no matter the gender!

>>76348558 (OP)
dyel workout

>>76350475
>Everyone categorises it as weighted calisthenics.
So now you appealing to general usage? Barbell squats are not calisthenics then. No one categorises it as such.

If all I have is these fuckers and a bench can I get jacked?

52.5 is the max weight and so I am already doing sets of 14 on incline bench. Scared I am getting into cardio territory. I would love if any of you fags know of a good routine that is built around only having adjustable dumbells and a bench

>>76350586
>standing hamstring stretching considered stretching
>but put barbell on your back and...
wow, really makes me think would it become good mornings aka barbell lifting or would it be still stretching

>>76350669
>You can deadlift without weights?
Yeah, easily. Why are you mad? Do you understand for example for someone with big muscle distrophy (for example after surgery) they still can be challenging? Single leg romanian deadlifts even can be used without weights for healthy runners

>>76353166
>I am already doing sets of 14 on incline bench. Scared I am getting into cardio territory.
Not quite yet but probably you'll be in cardio after six more months.
You can up the intensity a bit by going fast on the upstroke and slow on the down.