I’m not a very proficient swimmer and my cardio is quite poor, so I’ve realized I would die in an event like this. But I’m wondering if people who are very strong swimmers could survive

>>76350988 (OP)
Even if you could, you’re likely to be crushed or held under by debris

the problem, generally, isn't keeping your head above water--- that's fairly trivial in most cases for a strong swimmer outside of some freak formation of a hydraulic jump-- its being smashed into something or having something smashed into you that is the problem

>>76351005
imagine being in 25 to 40 feet of water going 17 mph and you have the frail body of a little girl

>>76350988 (OP)
How come the Christian god never helps his followers and instead floods out primarily Christian areas in Texas?

Oh right free will and stuff. Even though he knew this would happen and he knew they would die horrible deaths from the day they were born due to his omnipotence.

>>76351018
>Disingenuous retard who never studied a lick of theology question
Gross
>Based on the premise that "most people who drown are Christian"
You are both gay, and a nigger.

>>76350988 (OP)
Flood water not like regular drinking water, the first long stretch of it is detritus, anything from fallen trees to automobiles can be found here. If caught under it, you dead, though you might find something to keep you buoyant but the tumbling could easy capsize your impromptu craft.
Following flood waters tend to spread out over land once they escape their carved passage, fast flowing ankle to knee deep waters easily knock the unsteady and foolish over, dragging them to lowest elevation. Currents are irregular, swimming difficult, near impossible, best chance is to hang onto whatever floats. Government should turn off the power during a flood but no guarantee.
If you are thinking of training for this situation, play water polo and learn to float but you aren't out swimmimg that water.

I would have built an ark if I were them.

In all seriousness, it doesn't matter how good of a swimmer you are in a flood. Your biggest hazards are going to be a riptide that pulls you under, current from any damaged electronics, large objects that have been uprooted and are being pulled by the water, and anything that it is going to slam you into.

>>76350988 (OP)
>But I’m wondering if people who are very strong swimmers could survive
NOPE

>>76351018
Dude, even Amazing Atheist moved on, let's leave the Christians alone, it isn't 2011-2014

>>76350988 (OP)
>very proficient swimmer
>my cardio is quite poor
oh, right, this is a bait thread

>>76351018
and muslims getting blown to smithereens daily. And never having peace in the middle east...keep praying goy

>>76351039
Did god know they would die on that day a horrible death before they were born?
>yes
cool he is an asshole evil god
>no
guess he isn't so great after all and not omnipotent.
>muh freewill
Cannot exist if god knows the future. If god knows what you will do ahead of time, then the choice is already made, otherwise he would be wrong.

>>76350988 (OP)
>hands clasped together

So did they even try to swim?

>>76351059
No

>>76350988 (OP)
No. For the same reason that you can't just bench press away a car when it hits you
The best you can do is keep your head above water and do your best to not hit it against something

>>76351018
Yaweh hates non-jews.

>>76351065
Can you read?

>>76351119

>>76351018
God does not cause evil things to happen
God did not cause the flood to take people’s lives
>>76351075
>Cannot exist if god knows the future. If god knows what you will do ahead of time, then the choice is already made, otherwise he would be wrong.
Knowledge does not equal causing something to happen
God exists outside of our understanding of time and reality
God sees everything from the beginning of existence to the end times, possibly all at once, and apply that to seeing everything that has happened, is happening, will happen, and COULD happen for every single person to ever exist and will exist
So already, God operates on levels we can never understand because we are mortal and flawed, we are limited, while God is unlimited and eternal
With this in mind, God still does not cause things to happen, He does not force you to make decisions or cause things to happen
He may know what will happen, but that is because it is all based on what we are doing and have done
God knows we sin, we all do, but that does not mean God makes us sin, He just knows
This was explained to me like this before and it helped me out:
You are standing on top of a mountain looking down, and winding around the mountain is a road, and on this road there are two cars
The two cars cannot see the other from where they are on opposite sides of the mountain, but from your position you can see them both and you can see that they are going to crash into each other once they both make it around the bend
You can SEE and KNOW what is going to happen to the cars, but you do not CAUSE the cars to crash or be in that position
That is how God’s knowledge and our free will works
God does not cause evil things to happen, God cannot do wrong because He is Good and is Love, God does not contradict Himself or lie or be wrong because He is Truth, and God is not flawed in logic because He is Wisdom

>>76350988 (OP)
No you can’t
The undertow will get you

>>76350988 (OP)
at first i didnt give a shit but now that i know theyre catholic woweee zoweee this is terrible!

>>76351156
NTA but doesn't the future being set in stone negate any potential for free will? And if we're gonna go a step further, if God knew everything that was going to happen before he created the universe then technically isn't he responsible for everything that happens?
>You are standing on top of a mountain looking down, and winding around the mountain is a road, and on this road there are two cars
>The two cars cannot see the other from where they are on opposite sides of the mountain, but from your position you can see them both and you can see that they are going to crash into each other once they both make it around the bend
>You can SEE and KNOW what is going to happen to the cars, but you do not CAUSE the cars to crash or be in that position
>That is how God’s knowledge and our free will works
But that's a flawed analogy. That would be valid if you were arguing God did not know everything that would happen at the beginning of creation. In this analogy it's as if he placed the cars on the collision course himself. I could be misunderstanding though. The way I see it there's only two options but I'm open to you providing an alternative. Either
>1. God did not know everything that would ever happen upon creation of the universe
Or
>2. God is responsible for everything that ever has or will happened, since he saw what would happen if he created the universe in the way that he did and still completed the action.
>God does not cause evil things to happen, God cannot do wrong because He is Good and is Love, God does not contradict Himself or lie or be wrong because He is Truth, and God is not flawed in logic because He is Wisdom
How do you know these things for certain? What if it's a lie, not entirely accurate, or you're wrong?

Not trying to be disrespectful, just curious

Best bet is just to try and float grab hold of something and float with it not drowning is 99% not panicking. That said not panicking as you’re being swept away by 8 meters of rushing muddy water and debris and whole ass trees probably isn’t happening

>>76350988 (OP)
this definitely happened btw, exactly as the post described it

>>76351260
That or climb a tree. The only people who survived are the ones who did some version of that.

>>76350988 (OP)
God takes away the good early...and gives plenty of time for the evil to repent.

>>76350988 (OP)
you can outwalk a flood. all you need to do is walk 100 feet in 30 minutes

Its kind of like a hurricane. You could make an argument that you could deal with the wind and survive it. But its not THAT the wind is blowing; its WHAT the wind is blowing. A car or a tree hitting you is the danger, not the wind.
Same thing with a flood. You could swim through it, sure, but a car or tree hits/pins you and you're not gonna be okay.

Never got the argument that debris will crush you in a flood. You can easily push yourself out of the way or climb up.

>>76351323
Not if you’re pinned up against something wrapped up in something or caught in a drainage ditch

>>76351323
>You can easily push yourself out of the way or climb up.
Not if you're a woman or child. Good luck making an argument that someone who can't even bench 65 lbs should be able to push a tree off themselves while underwater.

>>76351235
>if God knew everything that was going to happen before he created the universe then technically isn't he responsible for everything that happens?
God does know what we will do, but He also knows what we might do or can do, God sees time and reality in ways we do not know
This is the problem with trying to rationalize God because again we are flawed by our human understanding, we are limited in our comprehension and ability to try to explain these things
But again, God sees everything and understand it is an infinite EVERYTHING
God is eternally present, He IS, and for everything that is set in stone in the present, for every possible second that passes right now, there is still an undetermined future that is full of infinite actions that are yet to be done
And God sees and knows all of it
That is where our free will comes in, we still make our choices and determine the future, we still make our lives what they are, and God simply sees it happen, and sees what we could do, but nonetheless He is present in what we do NOW, just as He was there with us in the beginning and just as He will be there with us at the end
If this is confusing I am sorry, trying to explain this stuff as I already said is limited as we do not have the knowledge and wisdom God has to answer this
>How do you know these things for certain? What if it's a lie, not entirely accurate, or you're wrong?
Because God and His Church has determined it to be so
We can “what if” our way to anything theologically, we can constantly “what if” things that we have proof of happening, we will never have 100% certainty of anything, and that is why faith it’s important when it comes to God and trusting what happens happens
If God said that He will love us for all eternity and never abandon us, then I trust God in that, even if it may at times not be truly certain or tangible, I still hold out that His love is there when I need it, and He knows

>>76351323
Big yikes fella!

>>76351050
>it doesn't matter how good of a swimmer you are in a flood
True, floods are terrifying. For some reason people seem to think floodwaters are like high speed wins from hurricanes. Water has mass, and when it's moving at such high speed it hits with incredible force. Forget all of the debris it's carrying with it at equally high speeds. You could be an Olympic swimmer and you still aren't surviving a flash flood current unless you're extremely lucky.

>>76350988 (OP)
noooooooooo they were supposed to be the next generation of BBC sluts

looking at the pictures
you can see how many fucking beaners there are

>yeah these girls have so much faith in god, they were found grasping their rosaries, praise be to our lord and savior, you must have faith, it will save your life
>but wait, why would such a god allow such dedicated believers and children to die in a flood he created
>hurrr it doesn’t work like that, god had nothing to do with that, he can’t control that hurr durrrr

>>76351393
Smartest atheist

>>76351372
Even walking against the current in a mellow river up to your chest is a challenge. People underestimate the power of water. You’re genuinely helpless in this kind of event, the water is going to take you wherever it wants and there isn’t a thing you can do about it. Even in a low-moderate river current you can get sucked down under pretty easily. A massive flash flood is basically just the water version of a horizontal tornado. You aint doin shit other than praying it spits you out somewhere safe

Lot of jews on /fit/ tonight

>>76350988 (OP)
wheres the lord when you need him?
KEKW

>>76351156
>God does not cause evil things to happen
>God did not cause the flood to take people’s lives
He created this planet and all life on it, knowing that the flood would happen and kill those people. So yes he is directly responsible.
>Knowledge does not equal causing something to happen
Except god created everything, knowing ahead of time what would happen. So yes he created something with the full knowledge of what would happen.
>and COULD happen for every single person to ever exist and will exist
Stupid argument that I hear all of the time. God knows what WILL happen. Otherwise he is not all knowing and omnipotent. Him knowing what WILL happen and still creating these horrific conditions is what makes him evil.
>God knows we sin, we all do, but that does not mean God makes us sin
He creates us knowing we will sin, then punishes us for eternity for doing the exact thing he knew we would do.
>You can SEE and KNOW what is going to happen to the cars, but you do not CAUSE the cars to crash or be in that position
The difference is that god created these two people(and the person who made the car...and the mountain) knowing they would one day be in that situation and had the power to prevent it from happening in the first place.

>>76350988 (OP)
they didn't die in the flood. they were kidnapped by child traffickers. they'll be sold into sex slavery and some of them will be ritually sacrificed to dark gods.

>>76351424
God is not responsible for the actions of people
Again, we have free will, something you fail to grasp
If you know a vase will fall off the edge of a table by looking at it, did you make that vase fall off of the table?
>God knows what WILL happen. Otherwise he is not all knowing and omnipotent
Yes, God is all knowing, He knows everything and anything that has, is, will, and can happen
But again, that doesn’t mean He is controlling us like puppets and making us do all of these things
>He creates us knowing we will sin
He creates us knowing we have a choice, free will, to either do good or evil
We can choose to follow God and live righteously and to good, or we can reject God and live in sin and do evil
But again, as God is all good and loving, He will never make us do wrong and He will never make us sin as it goes against everything He says and is
>The difference is that god created these two people
Yes, but God did not force them to get in their cars that day and make them crash into each other
And again, knowing what MAY happen in the future from the present moments of them being made and then making their own choices, is NOT the same as forcing their actions
>and had the power to prevent it from happening in the first place.
So does God control everything happening or do we have free will that needs to be prevented by Him?
Because to imply God would do such a thing is contradictory to His nature, and is telling of your understanding of theology
If God created the world and people for the sole purpose of them dying and doing evil then that contradicts His very nature of being all good
But if you say that He has to prevent these things from happening, then again, you are affirming that we are making our own choices still, affirming free will
Your understanding of God is biased by your hate towards Him and thus you will never come to know how God works and loves
You have made your choice, you chose to reject God and now you hate and lash out

>>76350988 (OP)
I live on the other side of the San Gabriel river. tried to go home on the 5th at like 5 in the morning and the river was fucking terrifying. entire trees were slamming into the bridge and shit. i doesn't matter how good you can swim in that shit. the bridge in the picture is normally 30 feet above the water.

>>76351323
Imagine trying to bench press a 300lbs tree trunk pinning you to the ground. Now realize the wall of water pushing on it magnifies the weight tenfold, like Nicocado doing jumping jacks on a bar you're benching.

>>76351372
>>76351406
Anyone who's fallen while water skiing should realize what you're saying, but people just think of water like a swimming pool or lazy river.

>>76350988 (OP)
Their prayers didn’t stop Gods wrath.

>>76351018
>he doesn't know
Known satanist Peter Thiel's weather modification caused the flood

>>76351663
That's an false analogy. You're not pinned to the ground, your floating in water. A more accurate analogy would be Nicocado bumping into you while both of you are on ice skates. There is no way you're getting crushed unless theres a backed-up crowd of people behind you.

>>76351695
oh shut the fuck up with your twitter screencap bullshit. half the retarded conservatives were talking about schizo weather modification, and the librals were ranting about how trump and greg abbott "could have prevented this" and should have done something. come on nigga. back to reality. it fucking floods in texas sometimes. someone even made a song about it.

>>76351754
You've clearly never experienced running water.

>>76351754
why would someone half your size crush you?

>>76350988 (OP)
Even one of the rescuers said it hard to get through the water.
I remember swimming far out in the ocean and I barely made it back. That was with few to no waves, I was just exhausted from going out so far.

>>76351695
>>76351756
This area flooded in 1987, 1998, and 2015. It's called flood capital or something.

>>76350988 (OP)
sounds like a made up jewish story

Ill never understand the redditors who see stuff like this and can come to any conclusion other than "wow these girls expressed sincere faith in terrible circumstances and in doing so fulfilled their belief in going to heaven"

To think anything else requires such exhaustive mental gymnastics its maddening. A core principle of religious belief is courage and faith in the face of death; they probably died praying, should they have just been wailing in terror, cursing the day the were born instead? What would you do in their impossible situation? Seriously, what else is there in impossible moments other than to hold your loved ones and connect with God?

"Local 4channer was found drowned, wedged halfway out a window that they were too obese to escape from having soiled their undies in fear after posting online mere moments before to trust the science in the storm drain system. Appeared to die desperate and alone despite local Church outreach efforts."