fasting general
not eating

post here about your fast

previous >>76318062

Is this extremely unhealthy and dangerous?

>>76352790
no, for most it is healthy

I can’t seem to go more than 3 hrs without eating

>>76352788 (OP)
Hello dear brethren, my little nigger sluts,
How doth does-eth?
Had to restart because I wasn't hydrated to begin
Unless I start working we are going dry until Friday morning then coconut water and some strawberries and some beefs to break then we only eat between seven and nine am because of the circadian meridians and never eat again after that and I'm gonna get ripped and one day put the penis in a woman again

>>76352832
Oh yeah pic

>>76352832
She is wish for penis inside, one day

What beverages are permitted?

Can you still exercise while fasting?

>>76352790
Like many things it's extremely healthy in moderation.
It's all about activating autophagy, where you body recycles and deals with broken cells and stuff.
Intermittent fasting (eating within an 8 hour window and not eating for 16 hours) makes you fast a little bit each day for daily maintenance.
That's pretty much in.
The weight loss comes from if you eat your whole foods and fiber all within an 8 hour window, it's going to be difficult to eat too many calories without stuffing yourself silly.

I fucking LOVE feeling dizzy and seeing gray when I get up fast

>>76352894
stuff like green tea and diet coke are fine, but not recommended if you care about autophagy
>>76352995
yes but dont push too hard, lifting is good for preventing muscle loss, and do longer, less intensive cardio over shorter but much more intensive cardio

I did 72 hours couple weeks ago. Between 24-48h was the worst and I felt actually weak and somewhat tired at one point but towards the end I wasn't really hungry anymore

>>76352995
It's one or the other
Fasting is only fasting if you don't drink water if you water "fast" that's just a waste of time
You don't fast to exercise, it's one or the other you fast to heal
This guy is a moron

>>76353197
schizopost

>>76353151
>lifting is good for preventing muscle loss,
Lmfao
Ok healthline

>>76353145
What causes that?

Have a chest infection can’t b fucked eating political implications of such course of action?

Long live /fast/

>>76352788 (OP)
Why'd this general die for so long? Is it because fasting is just a meme not to be taken seriously?

>>76353469
Sit down punk bitch

>>76353266
retard

>>76353486
Literal rddt subhuman

go to twitter and mingle with the pro ana community of teen girls

>>76353377
iron deficiency

Is OMAD considerate fasting?

Do you think fasting on weekends each week is a good idea if I'm running 10k every day and lifting every other day at 1800 kcal diet?

>>76353492
I like OMAD for simplicity's sake but I think all fasting is pretty useless unless you enter ketosis, and that happens after like 3 days of fasting

>>76353519
Ok, I will just use OMAD to limit calories

Sup d00dz

>>76352788 (OP)
nothing pisses me off more than the ridiculous claims fastingfags make, all this autophagy bullshit can be achieved by just being in a calorie deficit, eat a fucking healthy diet and stop starving yourself for 3 days at a time

>>76353667
Uh, no it can't
Come back after 18th birthday

>>76353151
mf your body doesnt just randomly decide to stop start autophagy, you are ALWAYS cleaning out useless old cells

if you're really fkn excited about autophagy cuz it makes u feel good in your tum tums then you can get that shit without fasting just be in a calorie deficit and stop starving yourself all the fkn time

>>76353673
hi retard, did you know even exercise is better for autophagy instead of starving yourself for a week and pretending you've done something healthy?

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3389/fnut.2020.00094/full

>>76353682
Come back after completing your GED

>>76353490
But anon nothing tastes as good as being skinny feels.

>>76353469
Too simple and effective, quick in and out, hard to maintain a general and not much to talk. There is faddish element to it but so do all other diets, the popularity fluctuates.

>>76353377
it is low blood pressure

>>76353667
I never believed in the autophagy claims, I don't fast for that reason.

Most of all /fast/ing for me is a behavior trick best condensed into something like:
"It is easier to eat nothing at all than to eat something but in deficit."
For cutting down weight, fasting has always been the easiest way for me. Alternate day fasting is good enough but you can do more.

>>76353667
Its easier said than done for most people. Some people are deep down fats even if they aren't fat and binge eat when given the opportunity. If I can hit a 24 hour fast I basically whiped out an entire day of calories and I'm set for the week in terms of cutting. All of the magic fasting shit doesn't matter in that case

every so often I check in on cole to see what new schizo shit he's on now
I'm too scared to check anymore bros I wouldn't be surprised if he finally fasted himself to death

>>76353865
Looks like he is over the sugar fasting phase and is now promoting "1990's low fat diet"

>>76353901
makes me wonder if he came to the realisation that fasting was a fad or if he's just really into experimentation and wants to find out what works in general
because I mean if his goal was fat loss and fasting just works, why bother fucking around with all those alternatives? i still remember his piss drinking phase

Sup d00dz bout to hit the fast bunker

Finished 48 hour fast. Had hibiscus tea, water, lemon water with rock salt in between. It got harder towards the end, proper headache. Fixed once I broke the fast with lots of eggs cottage cheese and veggies. I do omad, but 48 was still something.

>>76354609
Basd now u reddy do same dry

>>76354662
No water, why? I have no idea if it's healthy. Do you know senpai?

>>76354672
I do know, it's so good, it's also easier you won't struggle for 48
It's good to have water fast experience first before dry so it's perfect

>>76354680
Will try during next fast.

>>76353519
>burning fat fast is useless

nicotine fast

>>76354805
How so?

Sup now d00dz? How are you? I am good
Any updates? Picrel me dry, just watched the fluminense Chelsea game chilling

>>76355059
Forgot pic OMFG I actually can't get it it's on other device I'll post later I'm really sorry senpai

Yo dogs sup

previously done a 100hr water fast, wanna try 10 day water fast

>>76355381
Sup doggy

>>76355062
HERE U GO D00DZ HAHAHAHAHA

>>76355459
sup d00d
nice fast

>>76355469
Thanks man
Shooting for the stars

>>76353675
WOW youre retarded and know nothing about fasting

>>76353497
that seems absurdly extreme, your body needs time to regenerate after a fast. Maybe every other weekend but if you're already in a caloric deficit and doing a lot of exercise I would take it easy.

my final meal
starting a 3 day wet fast, until 9 pm on friday I cannot eat

fast

>>76355835
>>76356711

>>76352788 (OP)
My life is so shit in so many ways. It's so hard not to eat. It's one of the few things that give me a moments relief. But I'm on day 2 of fasting due to obesity off frozen nuggets and pizzas, and the hunger is hard. But I know it wouldn't be hard if I had anything to be happy about. I have to take one of the only pleasures I have from myself for my future. What future? This hopeless future. I hope I can stay resolved that if I'm going to die miserable and not having anything I love, then Im better off doing it in shape even if it means I get no feeling of pleasure anywhere ever again.

>>76357137
Yeah that sucks man
Hopefully with enough fasting you can start to look at your situation in a different way
For me the worst part would be the skin surgery you will eventually need
Idk if it makes you feel better I didn't breathe through my nose until I was 36 and I grew up undocumented and couldn't have the career I should have, also didn't have medical care growing up so I grew up with a misaligned jaw because of mouth breathing
Being obese is kind of like that
When fasting gets tough for me I touch my belly for motivation knowing there is a sick six pack underneath already from all the lifting I did

>>76357150
The vanity of it is only a piece required in a visual social society. The world is shit for a billion reasons. Having a six pack isn't my concern, I barely know why I care at all. Save resources on food and be hated less with a charisma bonus I guess.

>>76357170
That's the spirit

>>76355835
Sausage dog

>>76357187
Are u a sausages doggo

My plan is to do OMAD and a fast on Sunday

Doing 1 meal a week. Down to 240 from 300

>>76357320
How long since you started?

>>76357328
Started April 1

>>76357339
Good job man. I'm 330, planning a long term fast routine. Looks like I have a long way to go.

>>76357320
nigga is nuts

>>76357339
What the fuck thats insane. You just hopped into 7 day fasts just like that? I have to work my way up

just broke a 48 hour fast with some eggs, gonna wait 2 hours then have some nuts and cheese

>>76357409
Yeah i take a moderately sized supplement stake. Daily multivitamin. Pedialyte zero sugar powdered electrolytes, magnesium glycinate, glycine, choline, and vitamin k2 mk7

Sup doggies

Are we all still friends chat

>>76357803
Are we all friends? Bring it in my fasting people's the best people's autocorrect I love you all bring it in for a group hug

What's the best fasting strategy to get from 13% body fat to 10%?

/fast/ is back, nice

>>76358372
>>76358372
Bout tree fiddy

this was a long time ago at this point, but whatever happened to that one guy who would post in all caps?

fast sleep

>>76353155
I've been doing 72-hour fasts each week for the last couple weeks, and I'm continuing each week until the end of next month. I think the biggest thing is to time your fast so it doesn't get awkward with going out with people or other people coming over. That's why I never fast over the weekend. I already had to explain to people "I'm fasting" when I was invited over for a dinner on a Wednesday night last week when I was already nearly 48-hours in.

>>76353197
>Fasting is only fasting if you don't drink water if you water "fast"
But water has no calories? It does not trigger a metabolic/insulin response? I even drink black coffee in the morning when I'm fasting since it has virtually zero calories.

>23 hours into a 3 day fast
>went out biking for an hour in my neighborhood
holy fuck that was brutal, not because I felt bad while biking but because my senses were insanely heightened. I could smell all of the food (and weed) everywhere I went.

.

I'm trying to stick to 16/8 IF but I work in a warehouse with no AC and it's hot as hell with 70% + humidity and we've had two people pass out from the heat in the last couple weeks because they hadn't eaten.

>>76359508
What the fudge stop working there

>>76353145
Same.
Since I quit drugs and alcohol, it's the best high I can still get.

>>76353024
Why arent they recommended for autophagy?

>>76359548
Working on it. I'm going to move states in a few months and try to get into an apprenticeship as an electrician. I'm looking forward to it, but I'll miss my coworkers because they're all total bros. Just gotta get through the summer first.

>>76359381
fucking madman

fast longer

>>76352788 (OP)
fasting is retarded
just eat some protein with while having low blood sugar then there is ZERO insulin spike and you stil get energy

>>76360724
Brodein mages be moar hangry. Easier wen no ead brodein

>>76360731
it only makes you more hungry when you already have high blood sugar
protein with carbs together spikes you insulin WAY MORE AND HIGHER FOR LONGER if you eat it without carbs (or atleast low carb)
and high insulin blocks leptin aka you stay hungry and eat even more
its a vicious circle

>>76360724
>fasting is retarded
wrong

>>76360736
keep having low energy then
or cortisol/adrenalin induced energy

>>76360735
Do you think I've not tried these 'eat only protein' type of deals?
I have and they are much more difficult to follow than the plain 'just eat nothing' -diet.
I don't know about the mechanism but I suppose the body becomes more receptive for food once you eat and you start craving for more.

>>76360743
speak for yourself fatty

>>76360744
Every diet ultimately comes down to individual. And even in the individual things that work at high fat% stop working once you lose enough fat.
I'm at healthy bmi now, if I was fatter maybe eating protein would work better.
I support people trying out things and finding out what works best.

Anyone know what causes you to feel like shit after waking up during a fast? I'm on day 2 now, and every time I do extended fasts I always wake up after the first day feeling terrible. I'm low energy, my joints feel like stone, and I feel dizzy when I get up from bed. It lasts 1-2 hours, then after I'm back to feeling normal.

>>76361055
Yeah its called your glycogen stores are depleted and you have to switch to ketosis. Just stop being a bitch and tough it out.

>>76361362
>Yeah its called your glycogen stores are depleted and you have to switch to ketosis
I'm already in keto even before the fast though. And it only happens when I wake up, around day 2-3 of a fast.

42 hours into my wet fast, I've lost 1.2 pounds. Feeling alright, but more than feeling hungry I'm feeling jittery. I'm planning on going cycling again later tonight.
My last fast was 3 days long and I felt fine by the end of it but I needed to get bloodwork done soon so I started eating, this time depending on how I'm feeling tomorrow I might keep going up till 5 days.

>>76361055
I think it's stomach acids(which your body is producing out of habit) for lack of a better word stuck there. Explains why it happens in mornings.

fast

Doing some cardio and light lifting while fasting, would it be a bad idea to eat a can of tuna alone? drained, no oil. They're 150 calories and 30g of protein. I would imagine it would help a bit with muscle recovery and prevent loss.

>>76353492
Yes it is. If you exercise hard you'll figure it out.
>>76353519
Spoken like a true FATTY

>>76353519
OMAD is kind of a meme because it's really hard to get your required protein intake (or exceed it) in a single meal, but you can still stick to keto and get the benefits of short fasts by just not eating carbs.

>>76357320
proud of you anon

>more hunger pangs
time for my third cup of coffee today I guess

.

>>76357320
if you just exercised any amount and also jogged you'd be down just as much while also not doing insane shit like eating one meal a week.

Caved and ate a foot long tuna sub at hour 24 of my planned 36 hour fast. Finishing up a 3 hour emergency eating disorder walk so I'm technically fasting again because the calories are burnt and the sub never actually happened. I will be 185 lbs 15% bf in a month. I believe

>be me
>200cm 220lbs fat fuckkkk
>go on a 10 day water fast
>catch molloscum from gfs family
>panic.exe
>end up burning large patches of skin off on my stomach and back with salycic acid to stop the spread (I didnt)
>after the 13th day, I break my fast after convincing myself that I was in danger
>family FORCES me to go to ER just to make sure I dont have an std despite me trying to tell them I just fucked up
>get bloodwork done
>prediabetic glucose levels from trying to quickly get my immune system back up to snuff
>mired by smol qt pajeeta who gets really into why I fasted and tells me about her religious fasting
>$500 bill just to tell me I have what I already knew
>go home and cry in the shower
>cry in the shower the next day and the day after in a lonely home
>a month passes
>still have notAIDS all over my upper body and face but didn't gain the weight back
Only had nuggets and corn today but I'm taking vitamins every day as well as zinc and blackseed oil. Any ideas on how to systematically get rid of this shit, so I can stop having random breakdowns and go back to fasting the right way (with vitamins). Will that prevent something like this from happening again or should I just isolate myself?

it helps me to think about how most of the fasting struggle is just trained pavlovian behavior for hyperpalatable engineered food that hardly passes as nutritious
we dont need that shit anons
wagmi

>>76352894
snake piss, zero cal stuff, tea,water, sparkling water
i think vegi mite and stevia can be consumed in small quantities

>>76352788 (OP)
when I first started fasting, I wanted to be extreme about it and do month long extended fasts without interruption. sure, you can try and be extreme about it, but it's better to do something feasible that you can stick to for a long period of time. consistency trumps intensity.

so with that in mind, if you're reading this thread and interested in fasting, you should do this:
1. start out by doing 16 hour fasts, do it for a couple of weeks, see how you feel
2. once you get comfortable (i.e. you aren't ravenous by the time the 16th hour rolls around), you can extend fasts up to 72 hours.
3. you want to lose fat? then you will have to do weekly fasts, but you need to figure out what works for you. some people do OMAD twice a week; some people do 36 hour fasts on and off all week long (ADF); me personally I do a slightly extended ADF (44 hours between monday and tuesday, then have a 5 hour eating window on tuesday afternoon, then do a 16 hour fast in between tuesday and wednesday, and have another 5 hour eating window on wednesday before going back to another 44 hour fast. on the weekends I do 16 hour fasts before starting again on monday)
4. make sure you do true fasts, i.e. it's better to not have artificial sweeteners, broths, low cal creamers in your coffee, or anything with calories. if it's too unbearable, then switch up the length of your fast, rather than incorporate calories.
5. ???
6. nigger nigger nigger.
7. during eating windows, you can't stuff your face. you have to eat just enough to be full and that's it. you can have two meals in a 5 hour period, then back to business. if you overeat, you won't lose weight.
8. do this shit until you get where you need to be and then work on a maintenance regimen (OMAD is good, or just 20:4 if you like, but you'll probably want some sort of daily eating regimen).
9. IMPORTANT ignore the memetards like the snake diet man, doing extreme shit doesn't work.
10. it's a lifestyle, not something temporary.

>>76362721
You need fat, not protein, otherwise you'll be kicked out of deep ketosis. Your body ramps up testosterone by like 150% when fasted to preserve muscle, not sure what it does while eating keto

>>76363633
>when I first started fasting, I wanted to be extreme about it and do month long extended fasts without interruption
Yeah that shit is possible but mentally torturing. You start missing the feeling of eating, even if you aren't hungry you'll be thinking about food constantly. I can't imagine going more than 5 days, but then again I've never been severely overweight. The motivation to lose weight could definitely be enough to push you through that.

>start out by doing 16 hour fasts
I went straight into a 3 day fast and it felt like torture, but ever since then I've been on keto and done a total of four 3 day fasts, they've progressively gotten easier.

monitoring this thread
though I no longer need to fast to lose weight, I still do it once in a while to align myself with mother earth, God, the universe, whatever you want to call it. I'm pulling for all of you

>>76353469
it's one of the most trolled generals, some of this sites most troubled individuals seem to stir up trouble here. i can only compare it to /nba/ during 2016 during peak curryfag spam where thank god, the mods finally stepped in

>>76363746
as long as you figure out a regimen that works for you.
>>76363753
the diet industry shills desperately want to curtail information regarding fasting, because they stand to lose millions if they can't figure out how to sell you something that centers around this practice, like they can with virtually every other diet (ultra processed low carb chocolate desserts for example)

>>76363084
holy based

>>76363633
>then switch up the length of your fast, rather than incorporate calories.
nothing wrong with dirty fasting bruv

Pretty new to fasts. How strict do fasts need to be? I'm worried something stupid like swallowing a bit of toothpaste or having crumbs in my mouth could break my fast in the first few hours.

Also what's the logic behind black coffee and tea being okay mid-fast?

>>76352788 (OP)
Fasting for me is like telling me to not think about an elephant or losing The Game. All I now think about is an elephant.
So when fasting I think way more about food than I normally would, making fasting much more difficult than it needs to be.
How do I keep my mind of it?

>>76364276
>How do I keep my mind of it?
by keeping yourself busy

>>76364281
Rare moment where I didn't wish I had a mouse jiggling wfh job

>>76364226
the problem with dirty fasting is that you can spike your insulin during the fast with some of the solutions that people offer, like diet sodas/artificial sweeteners, so you're better off avoiding that shit unless you know for certain that you're not getting a huge insulin spike off it.
>>76364239
coffee and tea are bitter, and bitter flavors don't spike insulin. don't forget that the point of fasting is to manage weight by controlling one's hormones (i.e. lowering insulin, becoming leptin sensitive). anyone who tells you that the point of fasting is to reduce one's caloric consumption is misguiding you. fasting works because it helps you manage your insulin resistance. if you're fat you're very likely insulin resistant.

so, if you do decide to fast, make sure it's a "clean" or "true" fast. you're fucking up if you have any food energy, or anything that can spike insulin, whatsoever. stick to unflavored water (you can do carbonated but it has to be unflavored), black coffee and tea.

>>76364497
Cheers. I'm not fussed about weight at all, in fact I'd rather gain some, but despite exercising 4 times a week my cholesterol levels are off the charts. Pretty sure it's generic as my mum's on statins, although she's not exactly healthy. I'm hoping fasting can help reduce any kind of cholesterol or heart plaque.
So far I've been doing 17 hour clean fasts with nothing but tap water, but based on what's said in this thread and looking into it more it seems like I want to aim for 24 or more

I've been doing OMAD for 3 months with some 48 hour fasts here and there and lost ~30lbs. Should I be drinking snake juice for electrolytes? I fainted one time after a hot shower.

>>76364517
>I'm hoping fasting can help reduce any kind of cholesterol or heart plaque
I don't know about that, but fasting can certainly help with managing one's blood pressure. hope you get the results you're looking for.
>>76364602
electrolytes are for longer fasts, you don't need then for anything shorter than 72 hours, but you can take them if you want. I don't know that you should take the snake man's products though. maybe get some fasting salts at your local pharmacy if you can.

>>76364497
Whats wrong with spiking insulin?

any recommendations BCAA supplements & also vitamins / electrolyte brands combination for fasting ?

>60 hours into a fast
>lost .2 pounds
why am I not surprised

>>76364637
insulin regulates your blood glucose levels, so insulin is a necessary hormone in your body. however, you need to manage your levels of insulin. if your insulin is too high too often you can become insulin resistant, which means your body needs to produce more of it to deal with your blood glucose levels compared to that of a normal person.

insulin promotes the storage of fat. when insulin is high, your body will not release stored fat for energy, because insulin's job is to take glucose out of the blood, use what it can immediately, and then store the excess as fat. when you're storing fat, you're not burning it. therefore, if your insulin is constantly high, your body will never tap into its fat stores for energy. therefore, in order to begin ketosis, insulin must be low, and fasting is a means by which one can drop their insulin levels low enough to facilitate the process of the breakdown of fat.

if you spike your insulin, even if you're not eating, you're preventing your body from tapping into its fat stores for energy, thereby interrupting the process of ketosis/lipolysis.

I'm still standing

>>76364922
how many of these have you completed? this schedule is seriously nuts.

>>76365218
Ive done 5 one meals a week so far. Took a month off. This is my first one back in the saddle. Just finished it. Ate 1 cup of Kimchi, one 5oz container of oikos Tripple zero cherry greek yogurt, and a string cheese stick. I will eat a small box of green giant broccoli in cheese, with a ⅓pound shoulder steak for dinner. Then i will not eat again until next Friday.

>>76352788 (OP)
PEATriots in control

>>76365290
are you doing any work outs? or just coasting along for fat loss

mfw 1 cup of vital wheat gluten has 170g protein

>>76365323
I go hiking/rucking

I've done Omad to 72 hour fasts mostly in the last two weeks. I'm gonna water fast today, then try dry fasting till Monday. Currently reading 257 on the scale, wish me luck.

Are Apple Cider capsules alright for fasting? for Phosphate supplement

>>76365807
yeah it's probably fine, and on top of that you can have actual apple cider vinegar.

>two months keto
>all fast food cravings gone
>3 days fasting
>cant stop thinking about mcdonalds
its over

>>76366352
> /pol/ humor thread
I'm under 20% bf and trying to get rid of the final fat on my chin and belly. Just about to finish a 3 day fast >>76355835. I've lost 1.6 pounds, going to transition into two weeks straight of carnivore because I need to get bloodwork done again, then probably start doing rolling 2 day fasts.
This last fast was kinda shit, I feel fine now but yesterday at night I was feeling terrible. My previous fasts were a lot easier.

>>76352788 (OP)
Longest fast I ever did was for 2 weeks quite a few years back on snake juice. Haven't fasted in a long time since though. On a cut right now but could see myself getting back into fasting to speed things up. Do people still fast on snake juice or is the recipe different now?

Im back on my bullshit. Just finished the last if the broccoli in cheese. Used a little too much salt on the steak. But it has been marinated for 24 hours so it tasted divine anyway.

お腹が空くです。

>>76366621
Shut it, gook.

>>76366599
What was your meal? and how many calories would you estimate it at

>>76364602
>I fainted one time after a hot shower.
Most dangerous part of fasting. I don't think electrolytes completely solve it either. One just needs to be careful.

anyone do weekly 24hr fasts for a period of time (4-12 wks)?
i'm thinking of trying a weekly sunday fast to help with some stuff for the next 3 months.
used to do 3 day fasts but always felt like shit by end of day 2.

>>76366691
Meal 1 – 11:30 AM
>1 cup kimchi – 160 kcal
>1 mayonnaise packet – 80 kcal
>1 Oikos Triple Zero Greek yogurt (5 oz) – 90 kcal
>1 string cheese stick – 60 kcal
Meal 1 total: 390 kcal

Meal 2 – 6:00 PM
>⅓ lb shoulder steak – ~275 kcal
>1 box frozen broccoli in cheese sauce – 160 kcal
Meal 2 total: 435 kcal

Total daily intake: 825 kcal

24 hour fast -> 1400 calories -> 24 hour fast ->2.5 hours of intense cardio

I'm not going to do if I extend the current fast to 48 hours right? 200lb experienced lifrer

>>76366732
what the fuck
you've seriously gone one of the most insane diets I've ever seen. I'm sure you know more than me about this but at that point I would be shitting myself worried about not getting enough protein and muscle loss with the amount of exercise you've said you're doing. But clearly it's working for you. Godspeed, anon

>>76366764
stop listening to fatards, its just VLCD that are not sustainable

>>76366764
Im not going to claim that im a bodybuilder or anything, but i do already have a lot of muscle under my fat. Before i started fasting my bench 1rm was 295. I could deadlift 455. I would do 5x5 sets of 1000lbs on the legs press.

I AM a fatass. But one with muscle. And im okay with loosing muscle to get rid of my fat. Its extremely easy for me to gain muscle.

Twigs for legs/arms but fat in gynoid areas. Been doing OMAD/20:4 for over a year. 185cm 72kg male. Is it just bar genes or? Trying basic callisthenics for about a week now.

>>76366801
Have you tried lifting weights

>>76366835
Not really since my goal is not to get buff but rather first have body fat more evenly distributed. And eventually get a lean/toned physique. I have some old dumbbells but never use them also not a gym member. Just doing push ups at home, planks. squats etc.

>>76366885
You will never get the body you want without lifting. Just do it man. Its not like you place your fingers on the weights and you automatically get super buff. It takes a long time to build a nice physique from nothing

Just finished my 3 day wet fast. Day 1 was easy, Day 2 was kinda shit, today day 3 was ok. My stomach has been feeling upset the entire day and I drank some sugarfree mcdonalds coffee a few hours ago hoping it would get better (it didn't).
I still have 2-3 hours left before going to bed, I'm going to extend the fast until tomorrow morning unless I can't sleep.
Will let you guys know soon how much weight I lost, even though I'm already pretty low bf

>>76366911
Just go on reddit and search calisthenics only and youll see many good physiques made by calisthenics only

I'm doing Carnivore.

Would doing Dry fasting help me to skip the keto flu faster?

Will gooning increase my fat burn rate 3 days into a fast? Serious question, it seems to make sense. A goonfast maybe

>>76367576
Yes, but you have to go from the back end if you're in day 3 your dick shouldn't be working.

anyone done PSMF? i want to preserve as much muscle but also cut a lot of fat and i feel like a regular water fast isn't ideal no?

Should be obvious but to any fat ass anons go for a walk while you are fasting.
Even if you're a fat fuck walking should still be easy and you burn a lot more calories the heavier you are.

>>76366621
たべるな!

>>76367141
I ended up losing 2.2 pounds. I'm getting pretty close to my target weight (already under 20% bf) so I'm going to switch to doing rolling 2 day fasts from now on, day 1/2 is always the easiest anyways.

>>76367350
I've done prolonged carnivore diets twice in my life, the first time about 3 years ago I went into it cold turkey and the first week was absolute hell (mostly because of sugar withdrawals).
This time I started off by doing a 3 day wet fast and although it was also shit and terrible I had a much easier time.
>keto flu
I didn't get that this time around (or if I did I got it while fasting and was too busy to not notice it), but I did get the rash. If you've never done fasting, going into a 3+ day dry fast would be a herculean task. I honestly recommend easing into a keto diet first (90% meat, some fruits like avocadoes and berries, keep carbs to a minimum, no bread / rice) for a few days and then after switching to carnivore.

The ruck i just did and my current time

when does omad stop hurting my stomach mid-day? should i take something for acid

>>76369279
ay good job mane.
>>76369404
it shouldn't hurt, you probably just need to keep doing it until you get used to it. everyone goes through a period of adaptation. once it happens, it should be effortless.

>>76369404
Omad sucks unless you cut hard

bump

Fast

>>76354680
Sorry senpai, planning for a 72 hours fast. Close to 24 done, only drinking water and tender coconut for electrolytes. I will try dry fast some other time.

>>76369404
You will get used to it in couple of days, 3 times to 1 time will be hard on the body for like 3 days and then you'll be ok.

>>76367734
I prescribe regular water fast with a little bit of electrolytes, weight lifting, you will not lose muscle, you'll only lose fat.
- Your fasting doc.

>>76367576
No gooning comes under cardio, so its gay and s0i and cringe. Lift weights instead.

>>76369059
>rolling 2 day fasts
Grats anon, when I explain rolling fasts to my friends and family, they see me like I'm some kind of alien.

>>76366885
>not to get buff
72 at 185cm is proper skinny. You will not get buff from lifting weights. The kinda buff guys you are thinking, most of them are steroid niggers. When you think it's enough, switch back to calisthenics.

>>76366060
Donate all the snacks and food at home to your friends or family.

>>76357462
Based

How many break days do you guys take inbetween each fast?

Doing low carb OMAD (dinner) and lost 17 lbs in the last 3 weeks, with another ~30 or so to go. Feeling pretty good and not hungry during the day. Trying to always get in 100g+ of protein and fill up with fat to get to >1k kcal, supplementing with fish oil, collagen/HA and a multivitamin. I assume close to half of my losses so far are water because of low carb (<15g), but as long as I lose 2-3 lbs per week for a while, I'm happy.

Any thoughts?

>>76371936
>dinner
every meal is breakfast with omad
also dont need to be afraid of carbs, just avoid the junk.

>>76369404
what time do you eat? what time do you go to bed? what time do you get up?

>>76371983
Thanks! Reasoning for low carb is because i find that protein and fat keep me satiated for longer, plus i avoid the glucose/insulin spike and quick drop which would make me lazy and slow after dinner (aka breakfast). So far i feel pretty good just eating meat/fish plus green and white veggies, and a wheat shake here and there to get to 100g protein

how long will it take to regain strength? i was on a 3 day fast, been doing gym the first day, a few hours yardwork the second (with a lot of effort) and today I could barely do the simplest tasks i was so weak. I ate a lot of salmon with potatos and a bit of wine, an icecream, still felt weak, ate some cookies later and I still feel weak. I will eat some pasta in the evening.

>>76372052
wheat shake sounds gross. pecans walnuts and pepitas are good for protein and fat with low net carbs because high fiber.

>>76372388
if you're feeling weak, then dial it back. there's no specific answer anyone can give you, you have to experiment for yourself to find a regimen that works for you. 72 hour fasts are extreme if you want to do them with any regularity. you should try 40 hour fasts, and if that's too hard then back down to 36. for me, the sweet spot seems to be between 40 and 44 hours, ain't no shame in doing less though.

the point is consistency is important. you need to be able to do this shit without fail for the unforeseeable future, indefinitely, as a lifestyle, until you can get to where you need to be. once you're approximating your targets, you can then reassess your situation and modify your regimen to something less taxing.

it all depends on what you want to do.

>>76372451
*Whey shake obviously, damn autocorrect...

>>76372388
>potatos and a bit of wine, an icecream, still felt weak, ate some cookies
Bruh, you can't eat ice cream and shit after a 3 day fast, you'll get re-feeding syndrome and it could end badly. Just stick to protein and fats for the first meal after the fast and then take it slow.

>>76371783
anyone?

It's actually crazy how quickly daily 24 hour fasts reset my brain back to normal human levels instead of gluttonous retard levels. I was never fat fat but still way too fat for the amount I worked out. A couple weeks of soft fasting then a week of omad and I have zero impulse with food. Also didn't drink 12 beers this weekend like I usually do. Had zero desire to either

rolling
a 2 hour fast

How's everybody doing?

I just switched electrolyte supplements from snake juice to my own mix. Using potassium chloride powder, table salt, and magnesium malate pills in the morning, magnesium glycinate pills at night.

Been doing once a week 36 hours past 4 weeks. Just started the fast for the fifth week last night. Might try for ~54 hours this time.

>>76372467
How long have you been doing your fasts and at what frequency?

>>76363109
>/fast/ in a nutshell
Kek

>>76372815
>It's actually crazy how quickly daily 24 hour fasts reset my brain back to normal human levels instead of gluttonous retard levels.
It's the same for me. Since I'm on omad, for me the reset is at 48 hours. I should do this bi-weekly or weekly desu. I'm a fucking gluttonous retard. Although on omad, I just eat garbage after the meal. Fruits, nuts, dates, cookies or some garbage. I should cut it out. This reset really helps.

>>76372780
I'm trying to regularize 48 hours fasting every two weeks. Before this, I used to do 72 hours every six months.

How's a 72 hour fasting into 1 break day into another 72 hour fasting routine, Would I have to worry about refeed?

.

>>76372815
WAGMI

Fast

I finished my 5 day fast today I plan on going back to it again 2 weeks from now from 5 days to 7 days but I'm preparing myself already by getting rid of the junk in fridge and trying to find potassium chloride powder in person rather than buying it online.
As for my result in only lost 7lbs (177 to 170) my goal to get to 145 by mid August any suggestions?

>>76374253
>5 days
how do you faggots do this? I can only manage 30 hours

>>76374360
Im on day 5 now myself and will end on Tuesday (7th day). You forget about food and then it's just about managing keto headaches. Ive noticed the forgetting food part takes anywhere from 2 to 3 days for me.

>>76374253
You're a male and you want to be 145lbs?? How tall are you, 4'9"?

>>76372745
okay, i'm not fat tho, I'm 187cm/90kg, lifting for 3 years. The icecream was 250kcal, cookies too. I think I barely ate 2000 kcal today although I admit the alcohol wasn't ideal.

>>76373016
Even if you go back it gives you the experience to fix it super quickly. If I fuck up/or purposely fuck up then just hit a fast and make up the calories and back on track

>>76374253
Why do you care to buy potassium chloride powder in person instead of online? I'm sitting right next to my powder I just got off amazon.

>>76374394
Hes twinkmaxxing

>>76374360
First start by intermittent fasting
20:4 then do 1 day fast then 2 day comes easy and stay busy or out of the house
>>76374394
I'm 5'10 I wanna leanmaxx before I decide to work out and bulk up again I've never had a normal BMI past the age of 7, my weight always been past 200 at the age of 13 and always look bloated
So far it's been great I can finally see my jawline line(never thought I had one) and my mood has been better so I can tell you that there are benefits to fasting
>>76374552
Amazon gay and I don't have prime if it's my only choice I'll buy it soon and which one do you have?

>>76374629
>I don't have prime
they give me a free trial like every other month but you have to attempt to buy something to get it

Do you guys prefer to break your fast in the morning (breakfast/lunch) or at night (dinner)?
I know dinner time is more sociable but what works better for your body?

>>76361055
Fat cells are releasing toxins, plus your body is detoxing itself all over.
If you do enough fasting your body will eventually get clean, so even on a 3-4 day fast you won't get the achey flu detox symptoms.

Fat cells store toxins, and there's tons of studies showing toxins rising in the blood after extreme weightloss.

If you eat a clean diet, say things like beef + rice, then fasting will also be easier. If you eat crap like seed oils, then fasting will be more painful.

>>76363179
interesting, but how much weight did you lose on a 10 day fast (not including when you gain the water weight back)

>>76363633
>start out by doing 16 hour fasts
Why not just do 1 meal a day at that point. Break it into 1000-1500 calories.

I'm recovering from a back sprain and also fasting into the night, is this a bad idea?

>>76364906
>because insulin's job is to take glucose out of the blood, use what it can immediately, and then store the excess as fat.
Nope.
The excess glucose is stored as glycogen, which causes water weight.
Very little carbs ever get converted to fat, because the process is energy intensive.

i used to fast regularly, did plenty of 48s & 72s with no issues, hit my goal aesthetic and mostly stopped the routine for a few years

getting back into it recently and the snake juice is giving me acid reflux way worse than it ever did before. i decided to break my fast early today to eat some potatoes just to try relieve the reflux

not sure if i'm doing something wrong/different compared to before or if i'm just getting old and more sensitive

Just finished a 72 hour fast.
Day 2 was ass, but day 3 was a joke, could have easily kept on going but I had already had made dinner plans prior.
Was initially planning on just doing rolling 72s but I think I might just go longer now desu.

>>76374629
I got this one, was the cheapest:

https://a.co/d/0ic0Afj

No problems so far with it. On day 2 of fast with it now.

>>76375961
Yea, it seems there's def parts that are ass and then you push through and you transcend your corporeal vessel and exist on a plane beyond nutriment and shit. Fucks like a dutch hooker.

>>76375868
Snake juice gave me horrible diarrhea from the magnesium citrate, I just switched to mag malate pills and make my own juice with K and salt. No diarrhea and on second day.

>>76363099
He lost 60 pounds dawg, clearly his autism is working. Let him be.

>>76357320
Good shit anon, I would just say to take some multivitamin or some gay shit so you have all the micro-nigger-nutrients you need or whatever.

>>76359362
I rode 15 miles yesterday and I'm doing another 15 miles today, on day 2 of fasting. I love it. Great fasting exercise, you can go at exactly the pace that is good for you and still get a good workout.

About 5 years ago I did a 60 day fast and got down to 260lbs. I only recently learned that's about 20lbs off of a healthy weight for my build, I still though I had another 80lbs to go. I fell off hard about a year later when I picked up a nasty habit of eating fast food for every single meal through a new job at the time. I now weigh 400lbs. I've tried fasting a more than a few times in the past 2 years, but I've constantly struggled due to the far greater stress I'm under now compared to then, with two kids running around and no real ability to just zone out and ignore the cravings/hunger. I also kept trying to fast in a cold turkey fashion, doing no prep work prior to the fast and just assuming I could deal with the transition to ketosis from a carb heavy diet.
I'm now 10 days into very low carb keto. The plan is to start my fast this Friday, and to go at least 10 days. For the first 5 days I've got a no-contact rule in place with my family, to minimize distractions and stress and give myself as many mental resources as possible to resist the temptation to give up again. Wish me luck lads, and if you have any advice please share it. 10 days is my minimum goal just to justify the 5 days of leaving my wife with the kids, the plan is to fast, refeed on strict keto, and then fast again after about 3 or 4 days, but if I can just pull off another 60 day fast then that would be ideal.

>>76375030
Well, I stopped on the 13th day even though I planned for 10, but I was at 201lbs. I immediately bloated up to 210 after refeeding but that came back down to 200lbs after a couple days. Doc said my BMI was 23%.

>>76376734
Just finished my 15 miles. Feels good man.

>>76365756
ok I fucked up, I have a really weak will when my roommates bring back hot food and vodka. Still at 257, but back on the treadmill.

>>76378081
Do you want to be fat for 60 years or do you want to deprive yourself of breaking bread with friends, an admittedly fantastic activity, for 1 year.

Decide anon.

>>76376824
I don't know how someone can do prolonged fasting when there are actual obligations like family and work. Maybe try something like 1 day per week.

>>76378098
I've found it extremely difficult so far, that's why I'm implementing a 5 day buffer period at the start. I hope to find that the momentum of a 5 day fast makes going really deep into a fast much easier in spite of the additional stress of work and family

>>76378098
Even 1 day per week, you will 100% encounter periods at least in the beginning where you have no energy and feel like dick and ass and can't work.

at what point do the voices in my head stop trying to get me to break my fast, these guys are real jerks
edit: they are calling again

>>76352790
15-20% is the healthy weight for most people

>>76357803

>>76378195
When you drink salt water and play videogames all day.

>>76378201
You measure your weight in percent?

>>76378366
Dawg if that's what we're doing I weigh like 400% I'm a fat fuck

Can I fast 3 days with only salt? I'm reading redditors saying you will die without the potassium

>>76378587
just don't take salt nigga

>>76376693
kek

>>76378590
What?

>>76378598
you don't need to supplement anything for a 72 hour fast just drink water and you'll be fine

>>76378587
Just eat the potassium, if you're already eating salt it's easy.

>>76375868
A lot of acid reflux is caused by bile moving into your stomach, rather than down your digestive tract.
The bile contains toxic substances that your liver is trying to shit out, and will cause your skin to peel and ulcers.

An easy way to remedy this is eating a spoon of charcoal, which is better than all pharma drugs at binding bile, but with zero side-effects.
Within 30 seconds of eating the charcoal, your acid reflux should be gone.

>>76376855
congrats anon
10 days is a long time

this is obviously bad for you
this is obviously not not logical
this is obviously a mentally ill cult

before you speak i will let you know i did a 5 day water fast twice without suppliments. nothing really bad happened but i do not recommend this to anyone. eat better, eat less and less often instead

>>76378789
> I did a 5 day water fast twice without supplements
> i do not recommend this to anyone

Yea no shit you did it without supplements retard

>>76379206
i said nothing bad happened. eating supplements on an empty stomach is clearly fucking retarded.

>>76378789
>and less often
wow!

Are these Stimpack already for fasting?

>>76379794

>>76379794
if you wanna fast for less than three days to brag on your instagram, it's alright

>>76357320
What are you even eating on your meal days just bone broth?

Finished 60 hours of fasting this morning.

Ate some watermelon. Then three hours later ate eggs. Just shit out the watermelon and it is literally red like I just ate it, not digested at all. Is that a problem?

>>76381461
>suddenly shut down digestive tract for 3 days with no advance warning
>artificially keep you alive with supplements
>totally confuse your body
>"is that a problem?"
yes. stop fasting.

>>76352788 (OP)
Hello /fast/. I just found out I am a couple kg heavier outside the range I find acceptable. How much weight can I expect to lose if I do a 1 week fast? Can I expect to lose a lot of muscle even if I workout? Does taking medication for hypothyrodism(levothyroxine) change any factors? I weigh roughly 80 kg.

>>76352790
fasting / caloric restriction is one of the healthiest things you can do for your body

it's one of the few things that has proven longevity benefits

>>76381964
>fasting
water fasting, absolutely not. "fasting" as in not shoving food in your mouth every fucking hour like it has been normalized in ameriFAT, yes.
>caloric restriction
if you are a healthy weight eat less energy than your base metabolic rate, that is not healthy. doesn't even make sense.

this is a cope for obese retards

>>76352788 (OP)
>fasting general
I fast betwenn breakfast and lunch, and again between lunch and dinner.

>>76352790
no lol

>>76378789
>this is obviously a mentally ill cult
>is several times more emotionally invested and fanatical in hating on it than anyone is in shilling it
if you say so

>>76381952
>How much weight can I expect to lose if I do a 1 week fast?
About a pound a day with a water fast but people claim to lose up to three pounds a day with a dry fast.
>Can I expect to lose a lot of muscle even if I workout?
You can expect to lose some but if you keep working out and telling your body you still need muscle compared to just being a couch potato, you'll lose a lot more fat than muscle.
>Does taking medication for hypothyrodism(levothyroxine) change any factors?
Probably, I have no idea. You should probably ask a doctor instead of a website full of anonymous trolls. Then again any normal doctor would laugh at you if you suggest fasting for weight loss.

Im still at it

>>76378781
>congrats anon
first and only person to say gz to me thanks for validating, king

>>76382291
Good shit anon, how much you down weight wise since the start?

>>76382291
What app is this?

Just a heads up guys, don't do extended fasts before getting bloodwork done. I did my yearly checkup at my doctor and was on day 3 of a fast, the results came back fine except I tested high for something called ALT... which implies either sustained muscle loss (duh) or fatty liver disease.

And now I have to pay out of pocket for follow up bloodwork because my doctor insists on getting the results done again to make sure I don't have liver damage

>>76353497
i want to do this to women, but with my tongue, but on their vaginases.

>>76383263
i don't have this issue because i haven't seen a doctor in several years

>>76352788 (OP)
Wouldn't it be better to do a psmf than a pure fast, considering that most people are fasting to lose fat?

>>76383220
Easy fast

>>76378587
Fat people don't starve to death.

>>76384471
psmf is a fine diet but it doesn't have all of the benefits of actual fasting
why are you leaning towards psmf? worried about muscle loss? you shouldn't be worried about that unless you're jacked (you're not)

>>76383166
65 pounds

>>76364276
You need to hate yourself more and learn to love the suffering. I always think of every French taco I've ever shoved down my gluttonous throat. Just ensure you're mentally strong or autistic enough to not turn it into a disorder

When I fast I quickly lose my appetite entirely, like I actually hate to eat.

It takes 1-2 days of forcing myself to eat to regain the desire to eat at all, does this happen to anyone else?

>>76384822
Not jacked, but more muscle than I originally thought. That and I do enjoy resistance training when I enter the gym

HOLD ME NOW

IM 6 FEET FROM THE EDGE AND IM THINKING

>>76385135
This happens to me even with single-day fasts, so you're not alone

>>76363326
It only seems like that at first. If you try to fast down to lower weight it gets much harder. That's why most people who fast are very obese people and they always stop short and blow back up.

People start obesity as children and live their whole lives with the fat. This forces the body to adapt to being fat which throws off test and estrogen levels. These new levels set 'being fat' as the baseline for the body. So after you live like that your body feels like it's dying when you try to remove the calories that it has adapted to.

So the theory goes that you fast and then keep the fat off for a prolonged period and your body will adapt to that new condition that you force it to exist in. But it is a constant discomfort that goes beyond just palatable food.

When you fast low enough you realize there was always an animal inside of you that you were wrestling with over control. Thus you are not the animal you are the disciplined force that controls the animal.

my goal is to burn fat, i will be working from 6 30pm to 5am, i have a break at 10pm and 2am
i'm want to do ideally 18-6 but i would be okay with following a 16-8 eating schedule because i do train really hard + blue collar job
what would be an optimal eating schedule if i go to sleep at 5-30ish-6am and i wake up at 2pm?

>>76388199
16-8 barely qualifies as fasting, just do omad. one meal within a one-hour window
either before work or during your break
you'll be fine. your muscles won't melt, you won't be falling asleep in the middle of your shift

how many days is 1 batch of Snake Juice suppose to last?

I do 6 day fasts, dropped 48 lbs in 2 months. Under 300 for the first time in a long time. Going to the Caribbean the first week of September. I'm half thinking about not eating for the entire month to be as slim as possible for the trip.

Less than 24 hours left

>>76374360
Feel like once you get past 48hrs you stop feeling hungry, at least I stop feeling hungry

I really gotta step up my fasting

>>76352790
so 60 hours into a fast and my blood sugar is still at around 99mg/dl and the ketone strips only show slightly elevated ketone levels . so what's going on?, my glycogen stores should be depleted at this point .

>>76389143
yeah I don't feel hungry in the conventional sense , but I do kind of feel like shit. that being said a few days in and I do feel a desire to eat food . it's not hunger , I don't feel the physical sensation of hunger but the desire still exists in a form I can quite describe , if I don't keep my mind occupied my thoughts start gravitating to food all constantly so getting a hobby that keeps you mentally occupied really helps oddly enough.

>>76389462
I just boot up counter strike 1.6 and play with the same 500 or so people I've been playing with since uhh forever.

Keeps my mind busy

>>76387782
>most people who fast are very obese people
I don't know. Many are women who are not even fat. There are also ones who do it for religious or spiritual reasons.

16 hours left

>>76390957
Weight yourself just before eating and the day after and share it anon, for science

>>76387782
the more often i fast the easier it seems to get
never been obese

Sunday 10/8/6
Monday 24
Tuesday 10/8/6
Wednesday 24
Thursday 10/8/6
Friday 24
Saturday 10/8/6

From 00:00 to 10:00 on Sunday is 10 hours
From 10:00 to 18:00 on Sunday is 8 hours (feeding window)
From 18:00 on Sunday to 00:00 on Monday is 6 hours

From 00:00 on Monday to 00:00 on Tuesday is 24 hours
From 00:00 to 10:00 on Tuesday is 10 hours

From 10:00 to 18:00 on Tuesday is 8 hours (feeding window)
From 18:00 on Tuesday to 00:00 on Wednesday is 6 hours

From 00:00 on Wednesday to 00:00 on Thursday is 24 hours

From 00:00 to 10:00 on Thursday is 10 hours
From 10:00 to 18:00 on Thursday is 8 hours (feeding window)
From 18:00 on Thursday to 00:00 on Friday is 6 hours

From 00:00 on Friday to 00:00 on Saturday is 24 hours

From 00:00 to 10:00 on Saturday is 10 hours
From 10:00 to 18:00 on Saturday is 8 hours (feeding window)
From 18:00 on Saturday to 00:00 on Sunday is 6 hours

Total 136/168 (80.9%)

is this a good fasting regimen???

What's the longest time you've ever spent fasting?
Two weeks here. A part of me is afraid to go any longer than that.

>>76392335
7 or 8 days, something like that. I personally don't see the point, you can get effective results with a less intense regimen.

I'm eating at deficit, 36hr fast once a week, working out SL 5x5. I'm getting intrusive thought anxiety, but I can't work out what's overstressing my CNS or lacking in my diet to cause it. I've cut out sugar and reduced my carbs so I thought maybe not enough glucose for my brain?

so im reading some literature that suggests that fasting is the only way the body will prioritize using up viceral fat over subcutaneous fat

>>76391426
I am going to eat in about 1 hour. I will weigh myself beforehand. Im going to be busy tomorrow so I'll weigh myself again at ~10pm tomorrow night. I will be around 28 hours fasted by that point.

>>76393134
All weight loss prioritizes visceral over subcutaneous.

>>76392335
28 days. I only stopped because i got out of bed and fainted

Complete

Almost over

>>76392335
three weeks , doing this reversed my diabetes for about a year but after going back to my old habits and eating candy everyday it came back with a vengeance, this time after fasting I'm staying on a keto diet fir good and never touching sugar again.

>>76393733
what did yiu plan to break it with?

>>76393754
Hmm, probably a pizza.

I'm feeling weak

>>76393777
If you break your fast early you are gay

>>76393469
you actually fainted? jesus that's dangerous
what were you fasting on?

>>76394020
Just water

>>76394035
no vitamins and sodium/potassium supplements?

80 hours into fast and after a day of conparitevly little hunger its come back hard

made new migrate
>>76394200
>>76394200
>>76394200
>>76394200

>>76394035
Well that's probably why. I'm pretty sure for long extended fasting, fasting on snake juice is a must. How'd you handle the refeeding?