When it comes to male aesthetics, low body fat is your most effective lever. It's more important than muscle size.

Post everything related to leanness: Strategies, mires, stories, goal physiques.

I start: Kinobody has the best natty phyisque. He should be an inspiration to all of us. No, I'm not being sarcastic.

The best thing about being lean is not even the sixpack. It's the chiseled face.

>>76368290 (OP)
regulate your carb intake to match your activity
Long sets 3g of carbs each
Hard sets 2.5g
Cardio that's more intense than walking just goes right to carbs.
That and learn what fructose is and how it fuctions vs other sugars and you're pretty much set.

>>76368290 (OP)
>low body fat is your most effective lever. It's more important than muscle size
post examples then

>>76368290 (OP)
ok op whats my "endgame" leanpill weight as a 193cm natty?

>>76368352
Just use the mirror, focusing on scale weight is stupid unless you're an athlete competing in a certain weight class.

>>76368356
just say a number, i want to see how deluded you are

>>76368362
NTA but it depends a lot on how your body is proportioned. I have rather long legs and a short torso, so I would be as lean as a guy maybe 20-30 lbs heavier than me at my same height who had inverted proportions. There are many low fat markers like visible serratus, defined obliques, etc to tell when you’re getting there

>>76368290 (OP)
How do I get these boulders for shoulders?

>>76368290 (OP)
>best natty physique
No, his waist is too wide

>>76368560
working more delts than quads

>>76368297
this, you get huge benefits from being lean whether you're clothed/naked. The guys that cope by saying lean guys disappear in a t-shirt usually just look fat in a t-shirt.
The thing is, if you have good proportions and decent mass, people can still tell you lift regardless of what you're wearing. Bloatmaxxers think you need to be Kyriakos sized to avoid looking dyel in clothes, a classic gymcel delusion.
I weigh like 165lbs and most guys think I'm closer to 180-190. When you are lean with decent mass in the yoke, the leanness actually creates an illusion of size, rather than the opposite.

>>76368352
93kg is probably the biggest you'll get while still being notably lean. You wont look like shit at 97kg but you wont be "social media lean." By the same token, you could be 90kg and still look great.

Lean is king

Yes but never lift to failure

>>76368290 (OP)
Ya that my gold body. Please advice?

>>76368290 (OP)
>Dyel cope
Real men fill out a shirt

>>76370097
Look up his routines/diet and follow them for years without deviating.

How does a real lean natty look like?

>>76370111
Isn’t this a bit fat

>>76368600
Nobody gives a shit about stuff like that once you build a half decent physique. Only gymcel retards.

>>76370111
This is worst than being obese, at least fat people enjoy food.

A physique like this requires effort to end up looking fat, what a mental illness

>>76368290 (OP)
Came to this conclusion brutally lately.
>Be on lean bulk
>Lifts skyrocket
>BF% still ~15%
>Girl I am fucking tells me her little sister mentioned I look like I gained weight
>Not in a good way

Just starve yourself forever bro

>>76368290 (OP)
>>76368297
Never base your aesthetic goals based off of modern online pictures.
They are all manipulated and aren't real.

>>76368290 (OP)
>be on dating apps for months now
>rarely get likes, but when I do, the girl is ALWAYS fat
I must get leaner.

>>76370158
>listening to women
lmao

Bf% estimate?
174cm 68kg

>>76370754
12% I bet.

>>76370754
10% or below.

Is it better to be lean or bulky as a manlet? Really lean would put me at like 140lbs

>>76370836
Bulky dwarf

>>76370754
Did your hands get stung by bees?

>>76370836
5'8 and above - lean.
Otherwise dwarfmaxx. I see short lean guys at the gym all the time, and I hate to say it, but they look like children. Be big, have gut.

>>76370766
You don't know shit and shouldn't post for at least 18 months.
>>76370879
Babies have guts and fat, you stupid insecure psy-oping lanklet.

>>76370891
Aww, I'm sorry you got so upset big guy

>>76370152
>A physique like this requires effort to end up looking fat
That hit too close to home

>>76369995
93kg@193cm@12%bf isnt even 22ffmi (remember that tall people have a higher bmi)
im the anon you replied to and im 118kg as of this morning, navy calculator says 21.4% and when i posefraud i have abs
im happy to find out that its only twinks here, makes my decision on whether to hide this thread easy

>>76370857
Why do you retards always have to add a running commentary? Just answer

>>76370920
>I am fat and delusional

>>76370927
post body and ill do the same

>>76370951
193 cm, 75.29kg
Show me those extra 50kg of "muscle" lardass, you won't

>>76370966
Nice 12 inch arms varg

>>76370972
Thanks. Not the biggest, but they do the job done. Can you slap another 10-15kg of pure muscle on this frame? Yes, absolutely.
40kg, like Mr Fat insinuated? Delusion.

>>76370920
all of these numbers and youd be embarrassed to be honest about your waist kek

Can I also get a bf% estimate?
I have calipers but I swear to god I never trust myself to be using them properly

>>76368290 (OP)
So i should maintain especially low bodyfat% so that my lifts will go higher faster(or long term). I want my physique to be the most impressive possible in another year or 2, not in some hypothetical dream world like you have imagined.

>1pl8 bench general

>>76371223
>how do i get my physique good in a week and 15 minutes
By oiling yourself up and wearing a bikini

>>76368290 (OP)
Thats literally big for a natural

>>76371216
>fl studio
let's hear your music anon

>>76371224
I can btb almost 185 and i did it being lean year round in less than 2yrs

>>76370158
Same
>go on a cut because my wife wants to cut and I want to be supportive
>female workers all start complementing me and telling me how much better I look

>>76368290 (OP)
Id take 5 good bulks before 1 good cut, im not losing weight youre jewish the gigs up.

based

>>76370926
>Why do you retards always have to add a running commentary? Just answer
>>>/r/
You dumb nigger.

>180cm
>74kg

How far away would you say I am from leandom bros

HOLY HUNKAMOLY

>zipper abs

Oh no no NO NO!

>>76371233
look for Bruno Dacarai
thx

>>76370754
>>76370966
>>76371216
>>76370111
Oh boy, another thinly veiled gay thread!

>>76368316
how about i just ignore this post and ignore carbs altogether

>>76369879
Right. When you have a good fitting shirt and your arm veins are popping, nobody things you're dyel (unless you truly are).

>>76370223
You're right. But that doesn't mean being lean doesn't make you look better.

>>76368316
>learn what fructose is and how it fuctions vs other sugars
How does it function differently to other sugars?

>>76370111
Pity you don't even fill out your sleeves

>>76370111
You can look lean and fill out your shirt too. You just need a shirt that actually fits.

>>76368290 (OP)
The "you will look small with clothing" is a fat cope , just the chiseled face you obtain by getting lean is enough to mog 90% of the population.

>>76372219
This shirt is absolutely too small and looks ridiculous

t. Leanfag

>>76370111
It's always the fattest guys in the gym wearing these belts.

Would I look better if I was leaner? My body dysmorphia kicks in hard if I cut as I used to be spooky skeleton mode, and I fear looking skinny in clothes

Inb4 "you are still spooky skeleton"

Cut or bulk? I’m 177cm 75kg

>>76370111
I hope this is bait because, sorry to say this, you don't look like you lift.

>>76368290 (OP)
For looking sexually attractive to women, you do not need visible abs; however, being muscular will give you quite a few attractiveness points. Being obese will generally take away more attractiveness points than anything else, and this is true for both men and women.

>>76372219
This shirt doesn't fit him. The shoulder seam should be at the edge of the delts, and not on top of the delts.
He needs to go one size up for the shoulders and then get it tailored for the waist.

>>76371216
You are lean enough. You need to bulk, since you look pretty skinny. No offense.

>>76372981
Can you do this with Zara shirts?

>>76372970
Bulk. You would look sick if you hit chest more

>>76372985
You don't need to tailor t shirts...just find a brand that fits you

>>76371971

>>76372987
He clearly needs to cut why are you giving bad advice?

>>76372187
supposedly it gets similarly metabolized as alcohol and therefore you should not ingest more than 12g of fructose per day, because it huts down you mitochondria and gives you fatty liver disease and metabolic syndrome leading

lean enough or no? for aesthetics. 6'4 227lbs

>>76373043
You can put muscle on cutting if you periodize mid day to be a big surplus while lifting and being above in cals by like 500 then maintain and cut as appropriate throughout the day. Bu dont lift all your calories away its easy to do this and maintain on 4000 just by being up to date on more of your muscle groups weekly.

>>76373434
>for aesthetics.
You're obviously not lean enough for a bodybuilding comp, but you're lean with visible abs, so you can bulk or continue bulking.

>>76372981
nah, the fit is determined by how girls rate it. Girls love this look

>>76369879
How will I fare?

t. 5'9 bench 231lbs for 1RM with 213lb first working set (7 reps so far), with my underhand row about the same. My face looks excellent when low bf and whilst I know I won't look like OP when lean I don't wanna look skelly either

>>76373687
The average 14 year old white American male can bench 231lbs having never trained in their life prior and with no warmup so you will look anorexic as fuck.

>>76368290 (OP)
>take the lean pill

>>76371605
Answer retards

>>76374886
Lean doesn't mean no muscle. Sound the alarm, we have a fatass making strawman arguments!

>>76374939
not him but it definitely does when you feel the need to specify it like that
putting on muscle without getting fat is just normal, the only reason I'd see to say it like this is if you wanna go "heh, you have 80 pounds on me? Well you're 12% bodyfat and I'm 10%, get owned!"
Feel free to post body and prove me wrong but you're not going to because I'm right

>>76374974
post body

>>76374886
She has nice tits that could possibly be fake, but she has no hips and almost no ass. Still, that boy is a skinny bitch.

>>76368297
Oh that skinny fucking bitch

>>76374886

It's not his body type it's his face. The guy that claps her has a similar body habitus he's just hawt.

Bros I can't reach my macros. Am I gonna lose all my gains by cutting like I am?

>>76371605
you're 5 kilograms of muscle and 10 kilograms of fat from being lean

I think I have around 8-9%. What do you guys think? 194cm, 78kg

Will treating myself to a candy bar once a day ruin my extreme lean ambitions? Even if everything else I eat is sensible?

>>76376091
I think I want you to rape me and dominate me.

>>76376161
Why the fuck do I always get people horny for rape play? Last girl I had wanted to be raped without safe word

>>76376109
Macros are macros.

>>76376109
If it fits into your calories, it's fine.

The tricky thing about sugar is that it can lead to a binge especially if you've been cutting for a while.

That's why I eat junk food only at the end of the day if there are still calories left.

1 cup Greek yogurt
1 scoop whey powder
1/2 frozen blueberries

Does this have a place in a cutting diet?