>is vastly superior to back squat in applicability, gains actually carry over to anything in real life
Why is the front squat so underrated?

>>76374942 (OP)
You really squat on a cock while holding 2 pl8 in front of your shoulders?

>>76374942 (OP)
front squats are a way for dyels who are weak as fuck to feel superior for doing a niche lift that requires a bit more flexibility than the average gym bro has

Actually OP it doesn't matter, just progressively increase load

>>76374947
uh oh, somebody lacks wrist mobility.... very stinky

>>76374954
i probably front squat more than u with better tekkers than u tbqh

>>76374963
>tekkers
??

>>76374942 (OP)
Arnold did these because he struggled with back squats due to being tall with long femurs, unlike short GOD Franco. Long femurs means more leaning forward, meaning more load and stress placed on the lower back. Pretty sure Dorian busted his hips and back squat and stuck to machines after. Mike Israetel says they aren't optimal for hypertrophy though iirc.
I'm a terminally online dyel so I'm just parroting.

>>76374945
You can do super light and just get core gains, slightly heavier for quads as dls/squats build hams lower back and glutes more.

>>76374942 (OP)
I do these now just cuz. 3pl8 back squat btw.

>>76374942 (OP)
Do y'all not do both? Weird.

>>76374963
VERY STINKYYYY

>>76375043
yeah tekkers faggot
>>76375128
i would be legit shocked if you could even front squat 2 pl8

>>76375109
Front squats help core and hit quads best of any bb lift, machines are better for leg size because of angles. Upper body you have the incline bench and shit to hit all angles that isnt some gay ass prison workout tier.

>>76375121
Why even squat past 6pl8s 10rm.

>>76375147
wtf is a tekker? fr

>>76374942 (OP)
I might try jumping more i can jump with 2pl8s and wanna be able to jump tackle someone from a wider or one footed stance and have more torque

>>76375181
Nigger it's technique it doesn't take a MENSA membership to get it ffs

>>76375189
Yeah front squats build the serratus complex or at least the keeping the ribs high motion. Ofc supplement with core based heavy as possible core based presses, helps press through with shoulders and elbows.

You also want obliques/throwing heavy from side, im working on some wrestling so that and ofc cleans.

Noob dyels like them because they are easier to balance since the weights in front. No one with a strong front squat would ever say fs is better. Because you have to do backsquats just to drive your front squat up. It's why 99% of olympic weighters do back squats majority of the time and why everyone who front squats 250kg has 300kg+ back squat.

>>76375206
truth nuke

>>76375203
Yeah i noticed bench helps shoving, i was doing pl bench and dips to hit shoulders 360 although lateral and front delts seem to need more power.

>>76375206
But the back squats are easy literally 0 effort to keep it aesthetic

>>76375217
cope. you dont squat heavy

>>76375219
I squat 3pl8s to do legs better than nothing and jump with 2pl8s, i should be doing only upper body till 4pl8s for reps bench besides once a month legs.

>>76374942 (OP)

I dislocated my shoulder and it put me out of commission for a while.

When I started training again, I stayed away from squats and just did hack squats or leg press as my big leg lift.

I was told that front squats would be better for me than back squats, so I gave them a try.

That shit felt awkward as hell and it irritated my fucked shoulder, that mostly never even bothers me on shoulder lifts, so I said fuck it and just did regular back squats.

They were easier on my shit shoulder than front squats.

I guess I have no excuse to not do squats now.

>>76375173
I'm in this situation I back squat heavy 3x12 sometimes 2x12 then 1x8 or less. I have a cable that I can use for leg extension. For calves I just do tib raises and started 1 arm dumbbell Calf raises. My upper body is pretty built but my legs especially my lower don't have much size. There's a planet fitness by me. Would it be worth getting a member ship for doing my square at home and bulgerian. Then going to the gym for leg press, leg raise, leg extension, then Calf raise machine.

>>76374947
>>76374954
you don't need wrist flexibility at all. you hold the bar by keeping your elbows up. could even extend your arms straight out in front of you.
the only reason to keep the bar in your hands is if you're oly lifting.

>>76375195
nobody has ever called it that

>>76375359
>you don't need wrist flexibility at all. you hold the bar by keeping your elbows up.
nta and I can't really do that if my fingers are on the bar. It's like my elbows just won't do the angle.

it's like beta vs alpha, a sigma will go
barbell hack squat

>>76375383
but that is my point. you don't need to put your fingers on the bar. you could do them like this.

>>76375441
Now make it look cool.

>>76374942 (OP)
>overextends, overburdens and and snaps your wrists
Heh... nothing personal kid...

>>76375441
just go full on zercher mode you retard

>>76375456
cross your arms (like, touching your elbows with your fists)

>>76374942 (OP)
I alternate them with paused high bar, I can do ~10% less load than the latter

>>76376450
you definitely suck at back squats if you can only do 10% more than your front squat

>>76375441
may as well do zercher squats at this point like that anon said

>>76374947
i think you might be the dyel lil bro

>>76376476
yep I do, I have relatively long femurs and a short torso

I'm a manlet so technically genetically gifted to do better at back squats
But I still do front squats exclusively because it's more useful to my firefighting job

What's the difference with zerchers?

>do opposite of what fat powershitters do
>get leaner, healthier and more aesthetic
It's really that simple. And yes, that' why Front Squats are so good.

>>76375206
Most weightlifters do a 1:1 or 2:1 back to front squat ratio although some (Ilya ilyin comes to mind) did almost exclusively front squats for higher specificity
Front squats are excellent for pushing up the c&j

>>76376476
Or their front squat is very good
I'm at 180/205kg because I can stay very upright in both movements

front squats are harder to do wrong but are more uncomfortable even if you do it right

>>76376913
you're sandbagging or you don't know how to back squat properly.

>>76376951
I am not sandbagging and my back squat is fine
Sounds like you suck at front squats though

>>76376587
cope, i mog u

>>76375479
>>76376575
the leverages are different

>>76375399
>Deadlifts for faggots and women
wasted dubs

>>76374942 (OP)
Depends on your femur length.
It's easier for me to do front Squats than back Squats, but highbar actually cooks my quads more because I have long as fuck femurs.

Front squatting 70% of what you could high bar isn't going to build your quads better.

>>76377311
As long as the tension on the muscle was the same or more, it would. When dealing with levers and moments, absolute load on the bar isn't everything, maybe try going to your HS science class

>>76375281
I’ve dislocated my shoulder. Back squats took a while to get comfortable with. Front squats take even longer. Keep doing back squats and your shoulder will get used to the positioning.

Upper back integrity is the limiting factor in a front squat, ignoring mobility demands.
Weightlifters whose sports demands a front squat to complete one of two lifts still build their front squat with a back squat.
I just did front squats earlier today, for le it's a DL accessory. For you, it's something you load lmao0.5pl8 on and rack incorrectly and somehow draw the conclusion that it's better to do than repenting before God and rerunning SS until you hit a 3pl8+ back squat for reps

>>76376976
nah. your front squat is really good, you could raise your back squat by 50lbs if you focused on it for a month.

big thighs just make your dick look small

Hamstring-quadriceps strength ratio is best at 0.8-1, even read that 1-1 is best if you play a support that's prone to ACL injuries, for that reason I prefer the back squat. Plus it's more fun

>>76378626
i only play carry or offlane

>>76378628
>Minor spelling mistake
I meant sport, but I think you're on the wrong board? /fit/ is a top lane/tank chad board

>>76374963
Niggas out here b+1~2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,4. 22 in the squat rack and shit

>>76378523
I think your front squat is just bad because you back squat low bar or have a bunch of torso lean, there's no reason why you can't be around 90% of bs if you are high bar squatting correctly
I have a very typical ratio for a weightlifter who does 1:1 front to back squat training volume and if I pushed it to 220-225kg I would expect my front squat to just move along with it to 190-200.

>>76374963
lol wut?

>>76378662
He said offlane breh, you're in the wrong game because /fit/ is an AXE board

>>76374942 (OP)
It's more difficult and you push smaller numbers.

>>76374947
>t. Fat fuck

>>76375456
Only hold out your right.

>>76379438
>>76379135
1. I front squat more than u
2. I have better tekkers than u
3. I weigh less than u
4. Ur gay

Any questions?

>>76379452
uh oh... the stinky boi is posting late night

>>76379455
Cope and seethe

malding powertards itt

>>76379489

>>76381103
sir, this thread is about the front squat. your lmao6pl8 is irrelevant.

>>76378585
My dick is already small, might as well have nice legs

>>76375109
" Mike Israel says... "

FUCK YOU NIGGER

I always enjoyed Zercher squats. Yes I know they’re a meme. I know that. But, as an exercise, I always got a lot out of them and my form always felt excellent

>>76374942 (OP)
most people dont have the mobility for front rack position. Not just fat novices, but if you bench/work chest/lats at all. Safety squat bar is superior to both back and front squat

>>76374942 (OP)
because its harder and less accessible mobility wise, especially if you dont have much of a shelf to rest the weight on your body. you cant load as much weight either.

>>76374942 (OP)
>gains actually carry over to anything in real life
Retards that say this never lift, post body.

Kettlebell rack squats. IYKYK.

>>76381103
Yeah you have way too much torso lean in your squat to front squat well, your hips are way far back from the bar so I'm not surprised your front squat would be way behind
The weight is good but you're not upright at all, not sure why you wouldn't just squat low bar if that's how you want to squat

my wrist mobility sucks i can't do these even if i wanted to, shame

>>76382930
IK.

>>76385093
Just cross your arms infront of you or do zombie squats.

>>76382545
Why are you typing in past-tense?

>>76375399
these are godtier, do your based highbar squats and these after and your quads will be dead for days, dyels ofcourse dont know that, cause they are busy folding their 1pl8 front "squats"

>>76382563
safety bar squat is infact inferior to both, reason being that safety bar puts tremendous stress on your core, and most of time your core will give in way before your quads

>>76374942 (OP)
Okay but I fucked my hands up so front squats make my wrist ache.

>>76385120
>zombie squats
thanks for the suggestion, friend, will give it a try for my next squat workout tomorrow

Used to do 3pl back squat, but have been out of the gym and focusing on body work and mobility for awhile.. came back to the gym and did some zerchers and back squat and zerchers are so much more comfortable and feel like they hit my quads so much better. Back squats have always felt awkward and hard on like literally everything, im never going back* <- get it ? Ufufufu

>>76383244
torso lean is fine if you have long femurs
stop basing everything you know off SS

>>76388150
>bad form is fine

>>76388988
The goal of a squat isn't to be upright, in fact, powerlifters use low bar to emphasize the lean forward to allow them to move more weight. My front squat is still really good, I'm just a good squatter, but it's always going to be lagging behind back squats simply because of biomechanics. See for yourself on symmetric strength https://symmetricstrength.com/standards#/180/lb/male/-

>>76374945
>>76374947
>>76375147
>Can't rep 2 pl8 fronties and absolutely seething. Pause rep ass to grass benchods.

>>76381103
holy shit this is monstrous. how many years to achieve this

>>76388150
SS is for retards, long femurs just means you have to have more ankle mobility to stay upright
Torso lean is bad technique for high bar squatting, period, and it makes front squats way more difficult

>>76388998
It depends entirely on why you are squatting
If you are squatting for PL yes you can do more weight that way
If you are squatting for WL then no torso lean is actively bad because it puts you out of the position you want to be in the lifts you really care about
Front squatting is most related to WL so if you want to front squat well you should probably learn to back squat high bar with a very upright torso
Having as much torso lean in the squat as you do makes your front squat way less efficient than it could be because your back is having to do so much more work than if you could just keep your hips under the bar

>>76390499
He front squats more than you.

"full range" is for retards who want to get injured.

>>76390647
which full rage are you referring to stupid frogposter
parallel or atg?

>>76374942 (OP)
Obviously because you can't lift as much weight with it, and fitness culture has been soaked in this powerlifting and ego-driven mindset for close to three decades now.
In reality there are ways to make the back squat very similar to the front squat, with simple heel elevation and a high bar stance, which is what I do. I do front squat, but I back squat with a 2" elevation below the heel and it's like 80% quads.

>>76389258
10 years total, 4+4 years of dedicated lifting and permabulking for (almost) the entire time. I took a year off before Covid to focus on my studies and a year during covid because I didn't want to get vaxxed.

>>76390521
I front squat 180kg

>>76390499
Classic fallacy
You squat to get stronger. That's it. It doesn't need to 'look like' the movement you're doing.

>>76379442

>>76391625
I front squat more than that

>>76392965
post body (you won't)

>>76375206
>Noob dyels like them because they are easier to balance since the weights in front.
NO, FS requires great rack mobility afforded by great lat and thoracic extension. BS is far easier to balance and maintain shoulder stability to hold the bar

>No one with a strong front squat would ever say fs is better.
At what?

>Because you have to do backsquats just to drive your front squat up.
It does drive FS up, but also doing FS also (surprise, surprise) drives itself up.

>It's why 99% of olympic weighters do back squats majority of the time and why everyone who front squats 250kg has 300kg+ back squat.
Not exactly, it's because FS are very fatiguing, can't reliably be done at higher rep ranges like BS can. Depends what training block a WLer will be in on what their FS:BS ratio will look like. And if they're on gear (which lets them do more FS which is more sport-specific). At the end of the day, both BS and FS are accessories for the olympic lifts, which should usually take priority (esp. in peaking phase before a comp).

>>76376905
>Most weightlifters do a 1:1 or 2:1 back to front squat ratio although some (Ilya ilyin comes to mind) did almost exclusively front squats for higher specificity
Ilya, god bless him, was also on metric fuck tonnes of gear.

>Front squats are excellent for pushing up the c&j
So is a strength block with higher BS ratio

For the majority of newbie lifters, BS>FS
FS should only be deployed for WLers, or if there's another sports-specific reason to put up with the mobility demands and fatigue.

>>76374942 (OP)
I do boffum

>>76382930
IKYAADYEL

>>76392965
Yeah you should, you could also fs way more if you back squatted upright