The ideal body is somewhere between these 2

Left is fat and right is a roidtranny

>>76393209 (OP)
correct, I never understood the obsession with being excessively peeled, I think something around 12-14% bodyfat with significant amount of muscle should be the goal for most men
you don't want to be too fat because fuck being a fat fuck
but an adult male also has no business looking like an anorexic teenager

>>76393255
yeah but this is like 16% body fat

>>76393209 (OP)
No, it is precisely Klokov.

left posted routine but I can't find it anymore

>>76393209 (OP)
Putting that fat fuck next to a specimen like Klokov is absolutely ridiculous.

>>76393228
Dyel.

>>76393341
His routine is being a curlbro and eating like shit.

>>76393352
nah I found it, it's shittier

AxBxCDx

A:
Squat 3x5
Bench press 3x5
Incline DB bench 3x10
Cable fly 3x10
Lying tricep extension 3x10

B:
Deadlift 1x5
Barbell row 3x5
T-bar Row 3x10
Pullups 3xF
Facepull 3x10
DB shrug 3x10
Preacher curl 3x10

C:
Squat 3x5
OHP 3x5
DB press 3x10
DB lateral raise 3x10
DB front raise 3x10
Lying tricep extension 3x10

D:
Weighted pullups 3xF
Chinups 3xF
Lat pulldown 3x10
Facepull 3x10
DB shrug 3x10
DB curl 3x10
Romanian DL 3x10
Hip thrust 3x10

>>76393355
That's basically a modified SL or SS type routine.

>>76393228
Lanky weak twink aids patient

>>76393209 (OP)
Didn't Klokov win a bodybuilding comp ? Being blessed with both strength and aesthetic genetics is rare

>>76393209 (OP)
Left is supreme and all you need in life to look good, eat whatever within limit, and be fit too. If you care for foids they love Left

Right takes too much work and you're always hungry so roiding is a requirement

t. Left

>>76393209 (OP)
No commentary. Just this handsome ass nigga.

>>76393255
Shredded looks try hard. The bear mode level of fat, where abs are still visible, is best. 15%?

>>76393294
That picture? No it isn't. Anyways 16% is fine

>>76393667
Fatty cope.

>>76393255
That was called Casual here on /fit/.
He is not natty and was on test.

>>76393623
you have body dysmorphia.

>>76393294
no it isn’t. his abs are completely visible.

>>76394198
that’s tinytrip. he was 5’1” AND on test

>>76393678
How to build this neck?

>>76393255
>but an adult male also has no business looking like an anorexic teenager
If picrel put a shirt people would say he's exactly that

>>76394267
literally be high test and play sports

>>76393294
>>76393255
Lol you guys are retarded. Remember that fat fuck brian shaw is "only" 17%. I had a dexa scan and i'm 12%. This guy is visibly lower than me. my best guess is around 10%, but wouldnt be surprised if its even lower.

>>76393209 (OP)
Imagine looking at Klokov's physique and thinking
>This could really be improved if he just lost about 30kg of muscle and put 15kg of fat.

I cannot believe this faggot is STILL spamming that gay bear in 2025, haven't been here in about 7 years

>>76394586
>haven't been here in about 7 years
Why are you back?

>>76393352
I thought this dude played running back somewhere?

>>76394357
>t-shirt sleeves so short that they leave the shoulders exposed
>tucked in t-shirt

so fucking goofy

>>76394198
So what? He looks better than 99% of people and that's what matters.

>>76394719
Only you think this, however

>>76394719
Absolutely not goofy
Outfit is based actually on these young men

>>76393209 (OP)
>dad bod on the left
roid freak on the right
hmm....

>>76395334
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you

>>76394528
Brian Shaw is what you'd easily exclude from a data set because he's an extreme outlier. Most people outside of bodybuilding autists are going to like something along the lines of natty max muscle with about 15%bf +/-5% depending on genetics when it comes to aesthetics.

>>76393667
Handsome

>>76395552
If my abs were more developed I’d be there.

>>76395569
Nah, you're looking good. I dunno how much more natty potential you have to put on more mass, but I think your bf level is great. I wouldn't cut much at all IMO.

>>76393209 (OP)
Am I in range?

>>76395635
Mostly look pretty damn good. Kinda unlucky on the genetic fat distribution though. You'd benefit from a little bit of a cut because of the fact that your body is probably the type that will not give up that bit of belly fat around the navel. Not something you can lift your way out of.

bonus points for being technically obese by BMI

>>76395680
Thick. Solid. Tight. Keep me updated on your progress.

>>76395687
not me

I'm close to being happy. It's hard to find a balance of being lean enough while not looking like a lanky faggot at 6'3. 227 right now. what think you guys? bulk more?

Brad pitt on fight club

>>76395689
It's an ancient meme.

>>76395695
I wouldn't cut from there, so if you want to mess with it, yeah, bulk.

>>76395718
yeah, guess cutting doesnt make sense but I hate not being very lean. I'm quickly heading in the direction of PEDs to be honest. cant get my arms big while lean, at all. but then again, nobody cares. regular people are impressed by the slightest size or definition.

>>76395739
Well, there's the old joke of you can either pick looking good with a shirt on or look good with a shirt off, unless you are on gear. You do look like you're roughly at natty max capacity. If you really do wanna step it up, it's either a slow dedicated grind or gear. I think you look good as is, but I get the craving for more. Whatever you do, spend at least 3 months researching the shit out of it to go in to it with a good head though.

>>76395695
how long between pics?

>>76395752
indeed. I've been researching a while and will continue to do so. I'm thinking I'd just do a low dose of test or something to start. just a bit of an edge. I don't now have the desire to be massive or absurdly shredded. but u know how that goes. once you get there, the "there" shifts further away.
good looking tho.

>>76395772
2 years of working out in prison (with weights cuz fire camp). but before the first pic was taken, I had been in decent shape before, lifted and shit. but never the shape I'm in now.

>>76395799
You'll find much better advice on fraud or other forums, so continue with that. I will say that don't do the dipping your toes in the water Test-C cycle that a lot of people wanna do. Start with a bog standard Test-E biweekly one. Test-C is a beginner trap.

>>76395815
Thank you. Could you explain why E is superior? Is it the peaks and valleys?

>>76395833
I used to gear a decade ago and stopped since I'm approaching 40. I'm considering looking back into it for trt kind of stuff though...so my wisdom may be out of date. But there's 2 ways to use gear, "blasting" and "cruising". The basic idea was that you want to limit how much you're on the gear in general, because most people don't have the funds or access or desire for weekly, or biweekly bloodwork to make the tweaks for the primary or ancillary meds. So you blast E for a 3 month cycle and vibe the ancillaries to get the most gains, while limiting sides. And if you need to, you cruise on C. There simply might just be a better protocol nowadays though.

>>76395695
goal fellow lanklet

>>76395635
Looking good

>>76393209 (OP)
Left is average guy with his balls intact (seriously, I never get how people can be weaker than that - every man in my family looked similar in teens and 20s). Right is peak natty, or roider with good taste.

>>76397686
Post body

>>76393350
>>76393623
brainrotted faggots
it's not even funny at this point

>>76394528
Shaw being 17% bf is easily believable if you're aware of how volume/surface are ratios work.

>>76394357
What are these kind of long pants called?

>>76393209 (OP)
nah that swimmer dude IS the ideal
>but women say-
don't care

>>76397719
Already did. Have fun trying to figure out which one is me :)

>>76394357
>>76397992

My best guess is a late 50s early 60s slim fit slacks with a high waist and straight cut moving away from the baggy suit trousers of the 40s and early 50s.

>>76398068
Yeah I'm gonna say this is kino for casual men's wear

>>76398003
>that swimmer dude
He's a weightlifter.

>>76398448
I understand he's a weightlifter but why tf is his most famous picture him on front of a pool?

>>76393228
Pretty ideal but he's carried HARD by his hair and face
>>76393678
Honestly this is 100% ideal. Would die happy looking like this

>>76394357
I'm jealous I'd look goofy wearing that same fit.

how to get left ?

>>76393294
people don't believe you but you're right

>>76398947
lift heavy on a 5 year long 500kcal surplus without ever cutting

>>76398851
Most famous would be either at world's in '05 or '11 or at the '08 Olympics.
Anyway, it's famous because it's probably one of the best looking pictures he's taken.

>>76393667
Agreed. Left is my favorite picture that gets reposted over and over

>t. Foid

>>76393209 (OP)

Most rugby players have great physiques

>>76398856
>Pretty ideal but he's carried HARD by his hair and face

>>76399547
fuck these look AI they're so fucking mismatched. unfortunately for these fellows there's no hope. they're still prohibitively unattractive.

>>76393678
genetic lottery holy fuaaarrrkkkk

>>76395695
I'm the mode on the left, gib chest and back routine now

Me

>>76399950
well I hit each body part 2x/wk.

chest A:
bench 4 x 5-8 reps, then a set of 15
champagne press 4x10-12
cable flies 4x12-15

chest B:
incline DB press 4x6-8 then 1 set 15+
superset incline flies/incline champagne 4x10-12
decline cables 4x12

back a:
deadlift 3x5
weighted chins 4x5-8
t bar rows 4x10
cable pull downs 1 hand 4x12

B:
bent rows 4x6-8
pull ups 5 x failure
lawnmowers 4x10
lat pullovers 4x12

>>76400020
legs ?

love handles on the left pic give me the ick, bro should have cut

>>76399547
First dude always makes me think of a corn knob lmfao

>>76400115
looks hot. like actual hot body that gets women wet. klokov is hot too but hot is a range, not a point

>>76395569
Roidtranny

>>76393209 (OP)
Reg Park. Just peak natty

>>76401110
>natty

>>76401136
Yep. Pic is from 1957, Dianabol did not come about until '58.

This guy from /cbt/ threads has the ideal body.

>>76395392
Shaw is only an oulier in terms of mass and strength. His aestethics are still sub par. Please name even one guy who looks looxsmaxed at 20%

>>76397891
Lol where do you see me saying i dont believe shaw isnt 17%? Als you're only reinforcing my point about that guy being a way lower %, so why are you even arguing lol dumbass

>>76401215
Too fat, not enough definition. Literally no veins in his upper arm (fatceps) and his chest is saggy, too. Very far from ideal.

>>76401215
Lol typically a guy who thinks he's jacked as fuck even tho its mosterd fat

>>76401323
Fat people don't look like him. What a stupid cope, you glorified twig.

>>76401323
>Literally no veins in his upper arm
Highly visible bicep veins are mostly genetic and actually really rare but common on roided users.
It's why you see so many pics with people with bicep veins online but not IRL.

Also post body

>>76401359
>>76401323
Post body

provably functional and aesthetic body.

>>76395695
bench?

>>76393209 (OP)

I like being a bit higher fat, and still having muscle to support the look. 113 kilo. 20%fat pr dexa

>>76395680
will ratell is genuinely peak

>>76394357
Arms too big, look like roidcels

>>76405107
yeah honestly i fuck with that look quite a bit. even when people are super roided up i like that hyoog deca look more than the stringy ahh winny look

>>76405651
Thanks bro

>>76401323
Gay

>>76405107
looks higher than 20% desu. also, I think you need thicker legs to properly pull this look off

>>76402479
It’s insane to me the number of 20 year olds in here that think the goal is to look like the influencer twinks their timelines are full of

>>76399547

>enters the thread
>mogs it

>>76406091
Why is it insane you retarded faggot. Even the greeks new that young athletic physiques were the ideal.

>>76406185
Because you should be lifting and getting fit to be be a good vessel for your mind and body (what the Greeks actually believed)

Obsessing about every little curve of your body for attention is feminine

>>76406196
τὸ καλὸν δὲ οὐχὶ ἀγαθὸν ἔστιν; … τὸ μὲν καλὸν ἀγαπητόν, τὸ δὲ μὴ καλὸν οὐκ ἀγαπητόν.

>>76406289
This looks like ai or airbrushed or something

>>76393209 (OP)
Man why am I so turned on by this thread

i wish i could look like this, but how the fuck did he have ZERO love handles?

>>76406391
being a bit fat without love handles or gyno looks good ngl

>>76406391
it's just genetics where the fat is spread to. You can see it's in his front abdomen and probably around the organs. Having it mostly on the hips is the worst area aesthetically, I got fucked by that too

>>76394357
They look really, rwally short in that picture. Like miniature people.

>>76406319
He is real = life is not fair

Not gonna lie. He looks badass. Vispy Karhadi. Here with a weeboo pose. But he set the record with the Hercules hold.

>>76402554
Not a single body posted LMAO

Achievable as a male?

>>76393209 (OP)
Wow, every time I look at these kind of threads I realize, body dysmorphia hasn't kicked in yet.

Left physique is goals. Need to be a bit fluffy to look good in clothes.

>>76402479
VIsit a climbing gym.
Suddenly these super duper rare genetical lottery biceps veins pop up everywhere.
Visit an endurance event, same thing.
Look into geriatric hospitals with skinny af patiens. So many visible veins on the biceps.

Maybe you should touch some grass.

>>76406185
That's a laughably small cock

>>76407121
WHERE IS HIS CHIN

I forgot /fit/ is so gay

>>76398004
You look cute in this! >>76393705
Post more tummy for Daddy

>>76398856
dude is literally on steroids and was handsome without them

>>76410648
jerking off to AI is just sad

>>76402620
Dope physique