Thread 76394200

fasting general
not eating

post here about your fast

previous >>76352788

Was plateauing with my weight, been doing 36 hour fasts every week for 4 weeks, decided to do a ~60 hour fast this week, weight went down 4 pounds since sunday morning. Pretty good. I thought would bounce back after fast, but just kept dropping.

>>76394255
>>76394156

That was about 10 years ago. I dont remember much. I think prolonged fasting probably has a negative effect on long term memory formation.

Anyway, i broke that 28 day fast with 2 chicken tenders, some green beans, and a small serving of humus.

>>76394242
Grats anon kun.

>>76394200 (OP)
On an intermittent fast.
I couldn't remember: Can you bulk during a fast? Like, if I just chow a bunch of BCAA and set a routine, can I gain muscle while dropping fat?
I have AMPK supplements.

>>76394545
no

>>76394550
noooooooo

Back on my bullshit

I’ve been doing rolling 72s for the past three months and I’ve been really happy with the weight loss, I’m on track to hit my goal weight in another two months

HOWEVER, I’ve also noticed that since I began I’ve been losing a lot of hair. I’m kind of getting to that age now where it just happens naturally but I swear it was all there before I started and now I’ve got a Vegeta tier hairline

Can fasting cause hair loss or am I just a coping proto-baldy. If it matters I haven’t really been being very nutrition-conscious on my refeeds

>>76395638
malnutrition can indeed cause hair loss among other things. get your blood levels checked at a doctor to see how badly you're fucked up if you're concerned and consider changing your fasting routine
otherwise tough it out

How do I start fasting without being a retard? I'm recently unemployed so lack of energy isn't an issue

What happened to snake diet Cole? When I last saw him 2 years ago he was all in on spam n pickles, 85% fat 15% protein and 0 carbs. Now he's shitting on high fat diets and slamming table sugar high carb ZERO fat? Which is better? I was just going to refeed on bratwurst/smoked sausage and a tub of cream cheese.
Going for a 72 into Monday 0830, but pretty sure I could stretch it to Tuesday 1230 100 hours... And if I do that then why not push through to 120??? BIG DICK STYLE. Gym for 2-3 hours walking on the treadmill/some weights too

I'm on the OMAD grind
Thinking about not eating on Sundays

>>76394200 (OP)
First fast in a long time, gonna shoot for my usual 80 hours. Should be plenty of time for my fruits to ripen too which will be nice to have when I break my fast.
>>76396410
Idk it seems like he tries out every fad diet to actually test the validity of it and at least puts on the facade of that being the end all be all until the next fad diet comes along. Instead of just saying "Yeah this actually works" he just says "Nothing else matters fuck you" until he next thing comes. Thats just his persona he likes to put on for the camera.

>>76396443
160g smoked sausage and 200g cream cheese for the refeed
926 cal
98.6 fat
38.8 protein
11.8g carbs

Should I cut this in half down to sub 500 cal? 96 hours ends Tuesday 0830 when I'm back at work, will refeed around this time or push through to 120 hours

>>76396230
>unemployed
not spending money on food certainly is a motivation here

>>76394200 (OP)
SAY GOOD BYE TO ANY GAINS AND MUSCLE YOUVE MADE IN THE PAST 6 MONTHS VICTIM WEIGHT MOTHER FUCKERS

at 96 hour mark after last eating

>>76396893
im not a teenger with body image issue anon, im an obese diabetic middle age man thats trying not to die early.

To the guy who asked me pic related, heres your answer.

I broke my fast of 6 days, 17 hours at 11am yesterday. I weighed myself right before i ate, and i was exactly 237. I ate lunch of 200 calores. Ate dinner at 6pm of 400 calories, and began fasting again. I just weighed myself again, 15 hours fasted, and im 233.4.

3.6 pounds down after refeeding.

I am contributing this to the fact that im on sufficient electrolyte dosages. I was holding a ridiculous amount of water, and refeeding caused me to shed that water..

>>76397072
That's crazy. Almost 7 days of fasting and you only lost 4 pounds. I was told losing fat was easy

>>76397542
Oh, nevermind, I'm retarded. I misread. I thought you weighed yourself before beginning the fast.

Fasting vs not fasting

I HAVE NO POWER!

Look at them RR intervals, that's the way you do it. Respiratory sinus arrhythmia so profound it gets flagged as artifact.

86% of heart beats varying by more than 50 ms versus 0% when eating. This is what I live for! - Surfing the waves respiratory sinus arrhythmia.

https://youtu.be/CuXIzXO6Fuc?feature=shared

>>76396897
unless you're at like my600lb life levels you dont need to starve yourself for days my dude just maintain a healthy cal deficit and lifestyle changes will lead you to a long healthy life

>>76397708
one hundred hours into fast, is this a good stopping point? i didn't really set a time.

Does anyone have some studies or scientific articles going into why fasting is both safe and effective? I've been doing alternate day fasting since I just recently started, and its concerning some of my friends and family since they're worried i'm essentially choosing "eating disorder: the diet". I've only been doing it a short while and am already seeing some serious progress after nearly two years of plateau so anything I can use to help them understand would be great.

>>76397981
You think your friends or family are gonna look at studies or scientific articles?

>>76394942
based easy fast user

>>76397797
Longest fast I ever did was 46 hours. I panic bought vitamin B1 because I was afraid refeeding would cause a shock to the system.

so broke fast after about a hundred hours in,
pan fried sugar snap peas, mushrooms and asparagus and curiously i got full a lot more easily than normal,
like I also cooked a steak but couldn't get to it before filling up on the vegetables, i feel like I just came out of a buffet ,is that typical for when breaking a fast?

I always train on an empty stomach, feels great

>>76396586
Unless youre intentionally trying OMAD for your refeed, this may be too much. If you really want to, eat half of it spread out over about an hour or so, then see how you feel. Ive made steak, egg, sardines, and sauerkraut as a refeed and saw that I could only eat half of it anyways.
> will refeed around this time or push through to 120 hours
If your work allows you to take a couple nasty dumps then yeah, go for the refeed in the morning. Youll probably feel pretty tired after eating tho so idk how important your job is to pay attention to things. Its best to refeed in the morning so your body can readjust to things and not fuck with your sleep, but if you need to then do it in the evening.

>>76398131
something interesting after breaking my fast i took my post meal blood sugar reading at 96/mg from a 86/mg pre meal
which seems like pretty low spike, granted there was little carbs as it was just sugar snap peas, mushrooms and asparagus, is that why? or did fasting create a situation where everything just got absorbed immediately like a dry sponge?

>>76397981
just pretend to do it for religious reasons, like Jesus if you're in more right wing circles or like the Buddha if you're in left wing ones

>>76398131
stomach shrinks a bit of you're not using it, 0% surprising and I've had it happen to me too

>>76397981
it depends. If you are obese and have vast stores of fat reserves to draw upon fasting is generally safe. if you are only just sort of chubby and trying to lose 10lbs, then it is not safe. every single instance I've seen of someone having medical emergency because of fasting were people who were not really all that fat.

>>76397747
ngmi

i got shit to do tomorrow, do i keep fasting past 24h or call it now

>>76398423
>or did fasting create a situation where everything just got absorbed immediately like a dry sponge?
yes after 100 hours your glycogen stores were depleted so you had less stored sugar to spill into blood
>>76397072
that was me, thank you
what about total weight loss?

Sundays are my fasting days
Today I shall only consume water

Trying dry fasting. Anyone have advice for dry swallowing pills so I don't have a massive caffeine headache? Or does it seem better just to have an ounce of water to get it down?

>>76401059
IMO, like 90% of caffeine "withdrawal" symptoms are psychological. Allen Carr proved it years ago with his book on quitting caffeine.
The headache is extremely mild, most of the suffering is psychological from believing you "need" caffeine.

I'd tell you to just give it up and not consume any caffeine, at least while fasting. It does interfere with a fast and causes a zillion other negative health effects.

If you really, REALLY "need" that caffeine, allow yourself half a glass of water once a day to get these pills down. It's not strictly a dry fast anymore but it's still better than a water fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUOT36hC2bk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PSIDHKqrWg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fkv1Dkh-Ls

at what point would you introduce fasting salts/electrolytes into the picture? >3 days of length? >5?
I've seen such wildly different approaches from anecdotal internet posts it makes me wonder wtf is the right amount.

How do you combine fasting with working out? I go to the gym every other day, can i just fast on the off days?

My electrolyte supplements really taste like shit today. Anyone use flavored bullshit? Is it totally gay or it works?

>>76401320
You get wildly different approaches because everybody is a little different and the human body is pretty good at adapting to whatever you throw at it. Trying to chase 'perfection' is a losing game.

Personally, I drink 1.75 liters(old repurposed vodka bottle) of electrolytes every day I do a water fast because I know my body will just pee stuff out if I get too much.

>>76401408
That'll work. Fasting mostly effects endurance so you could still lift every day, just at a lower rate. But any heavy cardio stuff should be avoided.

>>76401460
Get some of those MiO things if you really can't stand it but those premixed electrolytes have like a 1000% markup

>>76401127
When I was was taking caffiene when I was younger and quit immediately, I got a massive headache and also pain in my forearms. Nothing else to explain why that was suddenly happening. Ive found taking L-Theanine basically takes away all the negative effects of caffeine especially when quitting.
>>76401320
Whenever you need it. If you start to feel a headache coming on thats probably a good time to start taking in. In the past, Ive not taken electrolytes until day 3 of my fast, but this is my first fast in 7 months so I needed it my first day. Just pay attention to what your body is saying.
>>76401408
>can i just fast on the off days?
Yes, I'd probably have a protein heavy dinner after training. You can also work out while fasted, but don't expect to break any PRs or anything. If I lift while fasted I usually do so about 5%-10% under my usual routine. If it feels like pushing myself harder will make me pass out, I usually drop the weight lower or just call it a day.

>>76401320
I personally don't believe in fasting with electrolytes/salts.
Fasting is to abstain from ALL eating, and this should also include minerals and salts and vitamins and so on.
I would love for anyone to explain why these salts are an exception to fasting or why do I "need" them.

If you really are worried about lacking some nutrients and minerals (malnutrition), fast for much shorter periods of time (48h max.) and improve your diet in the days that you eat.

Most negative experiences with fasting come from people in plant-based diets, vegetarians, vegans and so on, because these people are malnourished by default.
If you've been eating the natural human diet (meat, eggs, dairy) for a while and avoiding junk, you shouldn't be worried about it.
Your body should have enough minerals, vitamins and other stuff to get you through two or three days of fasting. If not, improve your diet, don't rely on stupid supplemental salts.

Personally, I don't believe that fasting for over 72h is worth it. If you really want more results, switch from water fasting to real fasting (dry fasting).

>>76401724
>I would love for anyone to explain why these salts are an exception to fasting or why do I "need" them.
Its mostly for people doing fasts longer than 3 days, and it helps alleviate some of the symptoms of not eating. Going about your normal day to day with a headache isnt ideal, and Im going to assume most people who are fasting to lose weight just care about not spiking their insulin which electrolytes won't do. Electrolytes aren't needed but it just helps things move along. Some people fast with lemon water and bone broth and I think that's retarded since youre getting those insulin spikes still, but whatever, its just what you make of it I guess.

>>76401724
The question is not whether or not you're doing "real" fasting, that's gay and retarded. The question is what gives the maximal benefit and minimal downside.

If you take electrolytes and get majority of benefits of fasting without headaches or symptoms you'd otherwise get without electrolytes, then electrolytes are better. Then you can fast and go make money/babies also.

Starting rolling 48s. I want to suck on this chick's nose

>>76394200 (OP)
you niggers need an app to fast?
the average person is becoming impossibly retarded and stunted

Fucking hell dry fasting is too powerful. I am only at this one day but I have already dropped three pounds since yesterday. I could be skinny by October, fuck me. I kinda wanna go back in time and stab everyone who told me fasting was a bad way to lose weight.

There is a nagging pain in my kidneys and my mouth feels like I couldn't brush my teeth enough but other than that I feel great.

How often should I go on these 72 hours fast if I don't want to lose muscle mass?

>>76403927
Every 3 days

Started exercising last Tuesday, completed 76 hour fast then refed on 2174 calories
172g fat
12 grams protein
31g carbs
Around 1 hour eating window - Scales were down 9.5 pounds this morning from Friday evening.
Next meal will be half this amount maybe Wednesday morning or might have 500 cal of smoked sausage (476 cal, 52g fat, 24g protein, and 3g carb with some reduced sugar ketchup) at 6am 16 hours into the fast.

I'm working Tues through Friday.. OMAD Tues and wed on the 500 cal then a bigger meal maybe 1500 calories Thursday at 6am then push through 100 hours to Sunday?
Also I have been cheating with a few diet colas/sodas maybe 500ml per day apart from Saturday when I went out and had maybe 1-1.3litres all 0 calories.

>>76403153
it's just for the sake of convenience you retard. that, and it tracks your history so you can see at a glance how many days last week/month you fasted.

>>76405941
niggers need an app to tell them to eat in the morning and late afternoon.
out of all the boards on 4chan. /fit/ has easily fallen the furthest into pointlessness.

you people are fucking retards

>>76403153
>>76406040
i wish phoneposters could grasp how subhuman they really are

Fast

Finished a 48 hour fast yesterday. It was easier. Its the third fast this month. Didn't even feel it.

>>76394200 (OP)
Currently 39 hours into a 10 day fast. Feeling no hunger, and taking my snake juice like a good little lad. Was already in ketosis before I started

>>76394200 (OP)
Do people consider 48 hours to be 2 days? Isn't it just 1 day of fasting?

I've been doing alternate day fasting for like two weeks now and i've lost 14 pounds. I'm obese so I definitely have it to lose, and I have to assume that some of it is water weight (despite drinking a hell of a lot of water on my non eating days) but I am really pleased with my progress. Gonna be adding weight lifting in as of the next month as the gym tried to charge a full months membership for only 13 days and aint no way i'm doing that, lol. It's given me some time to get my form down with bodyweight exercises and a big ass stick in the backyard. I'm really glad I finally found something that fucking works.

>>76408379
Are you sure? Gyms usually charge per fortnight and it only starts from when you join

hello everyone, i've tried googling but there are no worthwhile results, only shill articles and reddit posts where no one posts anything valuable

I just wanted to ask two questions:

I've done two 36 fasts so far this month, and im now doing one for 60 hours. (i start on the evening, then do 48h + 12 more so i break the fast during morning), i've read arround that breaking the fast is better done at the morning. should i do this or extend it to 72h and eat at the evening?

How should i break the fast? I've got some watermelon and low calorie yougurt (not greek) in the fridge, would this be alright? Should i make myself an omelette peraphs? Cheese? i find so many conflicting information on the internet on how to break the fast, so im just resorting to asking here.

Thanks fitbros

>>76407919
Just one day because I'm on omad.

>>76408759
Break at any time, doesn't matter. I'll tell you what works for me, the latest one was 48 hours and I do omad and usually eat at 4:00pm. So I wanted to break the fast at the same time. So, try to break the fast and go back to schedule.

As for breaking the fast. Go with fatty or protein rich food. Your body is in peak ketosis, so fruits, sweets, carbs will make you feel like you are dying. So, eggs with cheese is a great idea, I'd include some non carb heavy veggies. Don't go full stuffing the face when breaking the fast, just eat normal amount. Make sure your food is salted.

don't eat

>>76401724
You need salts because they are important for transferring electrical signals in your body, especially the brain. When your salt drops too low, your brain starts shutting down.

>>76394200 (OP)
Anyone tried any supplements to help preserve lean tissue while fasting?

>>76410772
>>>/fraud/
but yes, GH prevents loss of lean mass in a calorie deficit

fast

no eat.

>>76410772
Maybe a little but keep in mind that on a prolonged fast the lean tissue catabolism is part of what is keeping you alive.
On prolonged fast, past ~3 days your liver needs to be producing ~50 grams of glucose to keep your red blood cells alive. Some of those carbons come from lean tissue.

I wouldn't be that worried about losing muscle anyway, you don't lose the muscle cells, they just become smaller and less effective.
Bodybuilders sometimes get injured and get put onto bed rest which makes them lose ton of volume fast. Then when they start training again the muscle comes back at rate you'd think isn't even possible but it is.

>>76412693
>lean tissue catabolism is part of what is keeping you alive
I would hope that the necessary carbon would mostly come from stored triglycerides while I'm fasting.

>>76412754
>and less effective
This is what I'm trying to avoid. I'll continue resistance training during fasting, so I think a little extra GH will substantially aid in repair and recovery, providing extra prioritization to repair of vital and active tissues. I know that GH secretion is increased in the early stage of fasting (three days or so); the purpose of the secretagogue >>76410772 would be to extend the release to a period longer than what naturally occurs

>>76413197
It's mostly about the nitrogens which are only found in amino acids (= protein = lean tissue catabolism)

>>76413214
I would think that GH would broadly help with nitrogen conservation, as amino acids would be less likely to be considered in excess if they're needed for protein synthesis promoted by GH

>>76413360
GH is anti-catabolic but not pro-anabolic, just keep that in mind
it is definitely helpful for a fast though

GH is catabolic to fat but anabolic to muscle.
In my opinion the purpose of increased GH during fasting is to promote fat breakdown.
When building muscle GH acts trough IGF-1 but you are not getting that when fasting.

>>76413417
>anabolic to muscle
Proof?

>>76413367
>GH is anti-catabolic but not pro-anabolic
Interesting, I would have thought that "growth" would indicate a more than secondary anabolic mechanism.

Does GH interfere with autophagy?

>>76413360
this nigga is actually quoting ChatGPT in a discussion

0 kcal

Any you got good data on autophagy? Sound's like sneaky science to me. Isn't autophagy just starvation? Where is the evidence it targets old and damaged cells first?

Also what is that app in ops pic?

>>76397708
Wtf does all this mean?
When I fast I notice my HR drops like a mother fucker too but that's just common sense. Are you saying this is bad?

>>76414535
Autophagy is controlled recycling from what I know. Autophagy genes have been conserved for millions of years. If you think about it, life is hard, doesn't make sense to just discard stuff that could be recycled. A highly fit organism can't do that

>>76414631
Yeah but what studies and tests prove it? Do they use a microscope to look at blood, do they do biopsy? Like what's the evidence it's getting rid of old damaged cells and not just every cell? I'm not arguing or denying just generally curious and want to know because I heard this repeated so many times but I've never seen the evidence.

>>76414642
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=autophagy+review

Is there a recommended electrolyte intake for fasting?

>>76394200 (OP)
>You're fasting!

>>76414725
look up snake juice
and drink it really slow unless you want terrible indigestion, or in rare cases, hyperkalemia

fast

48 hours fasting doesn't even feel like anything lol.

n o e a t

>>76417404
No shit, faggot. Be a real man and don't eat anything for 55 hours, then we'll talk.

>>76394200 (OP)
I haven't posted in awhile but it's been about 8 years of bouncing between 16:8 or 20:4. I don't mean to, it's easier just not to eat sometimes. Also did longer extended fasts incl some 7 days back during covid.
Biggest issue now is I'm trim but I need more gains, I've been expirementing with throwing the feeding open on and post workout day and bombing some simple carbohydrates after workouts.
Now, if I can just stop drinking beer, I'd easily make it down to 11% bf

WAGMI

>>76419476
I do 72 hours like 2 times a year.

Anons, broke the 75kg plateau, now it's time to start twink maxxing.

>>76419487
I started omad in late 2018, it been 7 years or almost 7 years desu ne?

Well here's a good lesson for you guys
>Doing a 4 day fast
>Break my fast 16 hours early because I need to get bloodwork done for my yearly checkup
>Get the results back
>Everything is mostly fine, but I test very high for ALT (53 U/L, normal range is 10-45)
>Doctor starts freaking out saying I might have fatty liver disease (I'm also on carnivore, at this point 2 months in so she thought my diet was killing me)
>Tells me to come back in a few weeks to get my blood checked again

I did a bit of research online. Turns out ALT is also secreted during muscle loss, and a research paper from a few years ago found that you can induce false positives for fatty liver disease about half the time on blood tests by subjecting men to weight lifting programs before getting bloodwork done. So, I did no lifting and didn't fast for 3 days before my blood test this time... and my alt levels came back completely normal.
Doctor moment.

>>76421824
that shit is the worst
>go cycling around my neighborhood
>can smell grilled meat (and weed)

0 eat

Every time I've done a fast it ends up taking weeks to get my shitting schedule back in order.

Fuck fasting. I need my shits to be reliable first thing in the morning.

>>76423404
I have no idea why shitting can be that important

>>76421824
If I'd never fasted myself I would call bullshit on the sense of smell thing, but I know exactly how it feels. On day 4 I'm smelling things I never noticed before and at an alarming distance, literally starving animal like reaction.

>>76396230
As long as you're not doing something like dry fasting or fasting for over 3 days it's very hard to actually hurt yourself. Problems show up slowly and fix themselves by eating.
Otherwise most fasts start the day before by eating the bare minimum you can stand and then you start the actual fast when you wake up the next morning. There's something about sleeping without enough food that resets your brain and makes it easy to not eat long term. It's a good idea to stock some sort of sleep aide.
Aside from improving your life to remove stress and to occupy yourself, what you drink during and eat before and after there isn't much else to think about when it comes to fasting. It's really simple to just not do something.

>>76421036
you're probably the first and last patient she sees like that

>>76419476
Not 55, it became 50 hours though.

Needs to be renamed to
>starvation general
>aging general
>develop an ED general

>>76424634
literally every study ever done has shown that fasting and eating less increases your lifespan

>>76423615
Because I'm a long distance runner and I want to make sure my shits are on schedule so I can get them out of my system before a long roon.

>>76423404
>>76425530
I've only ever had issues with shitting while fasting, during my last 3 day fast I hadn't shat in 3 days and by the final day I was feeling terrible because I wanted to shit but couldn't. The next day after eating I managed to shit and everything went back to normal.

>Eat
>get tired of eating and get annoyed by having to cook / plan meals, want to fast again
>Fast
>remember how much not eating sucks and want to eat again
maybe I should just kill myself

>>76424634
25 kg/55 lbs down
works on my machine

My entire forearm is grabbable with one hand but I still have love handles, lower back and fat roll(s) and especially when I sit down. How much longer do I need to starve?

>>76426251
fat storage distribution is genetic and you'll have some fucked up ratios especially if you're quickly losing fat instead of doing body recomp.
So either start eating clean and do a high protein deficit for a long time, or keep going until you lose all of that fat.

Almost 3 days into a fast
why do I still have to take shits if all I've been consuming is coffee and water with salt/electrolytes

>>76422399
If you can smell weed you need to move.

>>76426458
never been to florida?
there's nowhere you can move that doesn't smell like weed

Just a reminder you can always give yourself an enema if you're having bowel issues. These are less than three dollars, reusable even if they're not advertised as such, and can save you a lot of pain for just a little discomfort.

>>76426761
If you use enemas too much it can cause a loose colon.

>>76425357
Starvation stresses the body. Anything that stresses your body ages you. Anything that ages you kills you

>>76427016
brainlet final boss

>>76427019
You haven’t refuted my point.

>>76427158
the burden of proof is on you, brainlet-kun

>>76427322
Where’s your proof starving yourself delays aging and doesn’t stress your body?

>>76427490
>prove a negative