After 20 years of being in the gym and around other thousands of other lifters

Routine? Doesn't matter, Strength level? Doesn't matter, Diet? Doesn't matter. Proper sleep? Doesn't matter.

Some of the most aesthetic, most shredded, most muscularly developed people Ive seen over the years... they had shit diets, shit sleep, shit routines, not strong, they were on recreational drugs, some also alcoholics, and yet.... just because they had good genetics and were on steroids, they still looked incredible.

This is the reality unfortunately..


Yeah all these guys burn out hard in the end because they eventually age out of their gifted genetics and they also start getting negative health side effects due to their poor lifestyles.... but it doesn't change the fact they spend their teens and 20's and sometimes early 30's looking fucking amazing

Pic Related: Ben Cousins - Druggie, Alcoholic professional athlete who was the most aesthetic and shredded AFL player ever. He's in his 40's now and looks like a burned out druggie, but back in his 20's when his genetics were still carrying him, he looked like a professional natural bodybuilder

Genetics dont matter in this discussion once you bring up steroids, unless you're talking exclusively about how responsive someone is. Genetic potentials should only be compared natty vs natty and roided vs roided

>>76399667
By me saying genetics, the genetic response to steroids is implied.

Yes there are guys who take steroids are look like bloated disgusting pieces of shit, but they looked like that before taking the steroids too, they mostly got all bad side effects with no aesthetic improvement,

>>76399659 (OP)
was in line getting lunch at a deli in east-freo back in 2012 and he was behind me. I gave him the old 'how ya goin' and his reply was absolute skull shattered incomprehensible meth dribble. it is a hell of a drug.

Is it possible to have genetics so bad you have a shit response to roids no matter the dosage?

>>76399675
lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVvx-qzKpKk

>>76399659 (OP)
>Some of the most aesthetic, most shredded, most muscularly developed people Ive seen over the years... they had shit diets, shit sleep, shit routines, not strong, they were on recreational drugs, some also alcoholics, and yet.... just because they had good genetics and were on steroids, they still looked incredible.
You have no idea what the jacked shredded guys at the gym live like.
You're just saying things about"muh genetics" because you're a still fat dyel after years in the gym.
Also steriods, idiot.

>>76399659 (OP)
All that matters is your relationship with Christ.

>>76399659 (OP)
his best one was when cops were doing breath testing somewhere in the city early in the morning and he ditched his fucking car and swam across the river to avoid them. just left it on the road KEK

>>76399678
Answer retards

>>76399659 (OP)
in fairness he's made a hell of a comeback in recent years, so there's hope

>>76399848
he has done extremely well. much better than some other meth addled cunts I know.

>>76399839

>>76399839

>>76399712
Best city in Australia

>>76399872

>>76399961
Maybe

>>76399712
ick there's jellyfish in there

Christ, what a loser thread. The point is to improve your own fitness. Who gives a fuck is someone else is 'better' than you. It makes precisely zero difference to your life.

>>76399998
It does tho

>>76399659 (OP)
Nope, genetics applies to every characteristic of your body, except the muscles. Everyone is on an equal playing field when it comes to building muscle. If you are not getting the results of another guy it means you are doing something wrong with your training or diet.

>>76399659 (OP)
While this is true, Cousins trained extremely hard. He was just partying a lot on top of the training.

>>76399659 (OP)
He killed Chris Mainwaring.

>>76399667
>Genetics dont matter in this discussion once you bring up steroids, unless you're talking exclusively about how responsive someone is. Genetic potentials should only be compared natty vs natty and roided vs roided
This is true, reality is much easier and more bleak than OP thinks.

It is really just roids. Roids are the magic bullet. The only thing that can go wrong is getting fake stuff. And ofc getting horrific illness and dying young

>>76400053
>Cousins trained extremely hard
I don't believe it just like that. Proofs? ACTUAL proofs?

>>76400082
proof that a professional athlete trains hard

>>76400022
Tyler's Ngmi...

>>76400072
No but Steven May

>>76399872

>>76400053
Same with Dane Swan. Used to put vodka in his gatorade. Was still built like a brick shithouse

>>76399659 (OP)
He was roiding you moron

>>76400082
Yeah, I was there, and I saw it.

>>76399678

>>76400121

>>76399839
Perhaps

>>76399678
Yeah, (you).

Remember when he tresspassed into the SAS barracks? He was visiting a fren. He was quite a space cadet at the time.

>>76400089
>proof that a professional athlete trains hard
Many don't, Pajeet.

>>76400170
That's a claim, not proof.

Gonna keep replying till I get a detailed answer btw
I won’t be ignored

>>76400250

>>76399678

>>76399667
Not op but I think genetics imply response to steroids as someone with very bad response to peds will look worse than someone with great genetics without peds. You can look at cases like Doucette (if what he says is true) where roids made a very small difference, he was jacked af without roids and when he hopped (and he hopped hard) not much changed. People like Cbum and Coleman had great reactions to roids

>>76400082
>>76400246

>>76400270
But can you have genes so bad that roids wont even save you?

>>76399659 (OP)
Absolute truth nuke.

Here's the ultimate example, pic related is mark chaillet.

The photo on the left is him at 20 years old 5'11 220lbs SHREDDED with veins running down his delts deadlifting 800lbs.
Photo on the right is him close to his peak, 260lbs with abs and 20" arms.
He benched almost 5 plates and deadlifted over 860lbs in competition.
His training routine?
He squatted, bench pressed and deadlifted for 1 set once a week, and did 1 set of pullups or shoulder presses once every full moon.
No assistance work, no back-off sets, nothing.
He never experimented with his training or diet.
His diet was all fast food.

GENETICS>GEAR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DIET/TRAINING
It's not even fucking close.

>>76400275

>>76400275
Yes but it’s extremely rare, almost unheard of
Most obvious case is probably blaha. Gram of tren for.. that. Lol

>>76399678
Small change compared to others? Yes. No response? No. There are a lot of different substances that you can use, maybe half of them do nothing to you but others have a proper response. Maybe there are 10 dudes in the world who have 0 response but is highly unlikely.

>>76400310
>>76400308
TWO HOURS. TWO HOHRS AGO I ASKES
ffs thanks for having a soul. Finally
Get fucked everyone else btw

>>76400082
Bro, you need to train to be professional, even if less than others. Look at Jon Jones, he's a drug addict but also one of the hardest workers. There are athletes than don't train hard like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho, but it is visible in how short their career is and how fat they became.

>>76400292
*5'9

>>76400292
sounds made up but regardless of that I'm not competing exclusively with one in million specimen like him but with a bunch of poor saps with average potential just like me, so why should I give any degree of fuck?
do you zoomers think everything below the very top level on the global scale is irrelevannt and not worth pursuing?

>>76400335
>sounds made up
source is his coach and all the people that trained with him at his gym
>so why should I give any degree of fuck?
because you will never get close to that level no matter how hard you try, so there's no point in trying very hard at the gym
strength and size should come easy and if it doesn't you will never be strong or muscular unless you get on gear it's just how it is
>do you zoomers-
not a zoomer

>>76399659 (OP)
If your golden years are where you shine the brightest, you will be snuffed out before your truly die. Shine eternal, and you will die when you desire, shining still.

>>76400345
there's nothing wrong with maintaining a healthy active hobby for little increments in strength and size even if you're obviously not going to make it to the top
and then there's a lot of wrong with hopping on gear just because you don't make gains as easy as the >1% percentile
if you're that result oriented about a fucking hobby that ultimately doesn't matter that much then if you're not a zoomer you're just juvenile and probably coping about your own gear usage
it matters so fucking little if you have a bit more muscle on your frame than not that you should just lay back and enjoy the process instead of getting your ass ready for chinese bathtub chemicals every time you hit a plateau

>>76400312
Are you going to blast now?

>>76400397
>there's nothing wrong with maintaining a healthy active hobby for little increments in strength and size even if you're obviously not going to make it to the top
I completely agree, but my point is that centering your life around the gym is a waste of time and that gains don't come easy there really isn't anything you can do to change that.

>>76400473
I’m already on tren and deca after 7 months liftig

>>76400555
it's not that bad, at least to some extent
>you kinda watch what you eat so you end up eating less slop and more protein
>you take sleep more seriously
>you start watching your vitamin intake and might end up addressing deficiences
>you might pick up other physical hobbies to round your physique up
>having fix points in your life like gym time or meal time is overall good for mental health and discipline
you could ofc do some lucrative hustle instead for better ROI but it's not like everyone is capable of that

>>76399659 (OP)
Stop making excuses to be a loser. Go do drugs and realize that you're doing everything else wrong. If you actually need roids to look like the top 5-10% of males then you have a hormonal issue and maybe TRT is the answer.
>>76399667
Genetics matter a lot for pro level body building but to get in the top 5-10% yeah you're right.

>>76399678
Yeah you can have genetics that make the side effects of roids or drugs way worse which puts you in a bad situation but I don't know how applicable this is to staying within the upper echelon of natural male levels.

>>76400022
This is a strawman. If he got on TRT, and did everything right he'd be able to at least look like the average guy who takes care of himself minus the horrific hairline. He could even fix that with surgery if he really wanted to.

>>76400861
He doesn't need TRT idiot, he needs food and lifting. Don't respond to a nasty troll like that, that anon's life is likely a world of misery.

>>76400022
Grim

>>76400022

>>76399659 (OP)
this mentality is loser cope

the similarity between high performing people is that they work really hard.
I don't know anything about aussie bullshit but even if that guy was doing drugs, he was probably also training hard as well.
But losers ignore the hard work and say 'oh it's out of my control'

>uh yeah it's just genetics and drugs

>>76400022
Poor guy