Men usually look best in the 8-12% body fat range.

If you think higher body fat levels look better, you're a delusional fatass.

The 10% range gives you the chiseled face. You look better from head to toe.

But why would evolution prefer such lean individuals? When you're at 10%, you only have a few weeks worth of energy reserves left on your body.

One would assume that 15-20% is much more healthy. But again, it doesn't look nearly as good.

And don't come with that "attractiveness is subjective" Reddit BS.

>>76420285 (OP)
Probably because leanness is genetic, and those who are naturally lean tend to have more energy and vigor.
t. been lean, high energy and extremely intelligent my whole life.

>>76420285 (OP)
Same reason leanness is so attractive in women: it allows sexually dimorphic features to shine through. Meanwhile fat hides them, making you appear more androgynous (ever notice how many trannies are fat?)

>>76420292
>leanness is genetic
Ok buddy

>>76420307
Yeah yeah, you're also gonna tell me that you think it's difficult to maintain a 6-pack year-round, and you need to cut in order to get it to show, and whenever you are lean enough to have one, you don't have any energy.

i hate how much better life is when im under 12% bf, because i genuinely enjoy number go up on lifts and getting stronger but the treatment you get when youre lean is just so night and day even compared to 15% bf, it's absurd. i did a small bulk and went from ~12 to ~15% bf and my day to day life quality noticeably changed for the worst.

>>76420285 (OP)
Lean men with zero muscle are not attractive anon. Pic clearly shows a guy with muscles and women find strong men attractive.
Leanness only helps show the muscles that you've already developed through eating enough and working out enough.
How retarded can you be to think lean=attractive when it's really stronk+face= attractive

>>76420339
no you fucking retard it's not about being strong otherwise powersharters would be the most handsome to women, he has a visually athletic build which means lean + moderate muscle mass, strength is almost completely unimportant to women

>>76420285 (OP)
>When you're at 10%, you only have a few weeks worth of energy reserves left on your body.
And this is what makes it attractive. It means you can constantly keep you energy input going to keep that physique and do not need to stress out that you will not have food in few weeks.

take the lean pill

>>76420285 (OP)
because we've been around for hundreds of thousands of years, but the amount of time where we've had lots of available food is a fraction of that. our DNA does not recognize fatties as human.

>>76420339
> Lean men with zero muscle are not attractive anon

Why do you assume I'm talking about zero muscle? This is a fitness board, after all.

Most women will prefer lean with smaller/more "toned" muscles over 18% with bigger muscles tho.

>>76420374
Interesting theory. So I basically signal that I'm a capable hunter who doesn't need to rely on large reserves (which would also slow me down).

>>76420285 (OP)
Because being lean makes you a way more efficient killer.

Being bigger is not an advantage but an disadvantage for humans, even the strongest human is very weak compared to a wild animal.

Size gives an advantage to punching, kicking and grappling but it is only something domesticated humans do and is useless outside the cattle yard.

If you tried that with a natural human he would crack your skull with a rock, tear your throat out with his teeth or gut you with his knife.

ITT idiots thinking their delusions are reality

>Men usually look best in the 8-12% body fat range
>Evolution prefers such lean individuals
>One would assume that 15-20% is much more healthy. But again, it doesn't look nearly as good
Source?

Basically, YOU find lean men hot, ok. But look at the atr of "beatufiul men" throughout the ages. Not even Greek statues are as lean as the guy in your pic. They look, in fact, completely different.

So settle down. Order your thoughts. Try again.

>>76420480
Yeah humans are natural throwers and built for endurance. Your average 20%+ bodyfat lifter who skips cardio would gas out within less than a minute of being chased by natural humans then he would get pelted with pointy rocks and sticks to death

>>76420351
The point is that he looks strong to them.

>>76420499
>Yeah humans are natural throwers and built for endurance. Your average 20%+ bodyfat lifter who skips cardio would gas out within less than a minute of being chased by natural humans then he would get pelted with pointy rocks and sticks to death
Throwers are fat. Persistence running is a myth. Thanks for playing.

>>76420521
>Throwers are fat
Why are you thinking of shot put fatsos when Im talking about hunters?

>>76420484
You have a misconception, being above 15% bodyfat as a man is nearly impossible without industrial goy slop seeds.

You can't physically eat that much in a surplus if your diet consists of raw meat and fat and already scarce fruits that are not created by agriculture are tiny and only available for a month and two.

>>76420285 (OP)
Being low body fat in men is attractive having muscle or not doesn't matter as much

>>76420521
>Persistence running is a myth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting

damn tell that to all these niggers that they should die out already with their persistence running thing.

>>76420285 (OP)
>Why is leanness in men so attractive?
High test cue

Basically it shows you're young and fertile.

>>76420586
>damn tell that to all these niggers that they should die out already
No need to, give it a few more decades.

because food is abundant now (in civilized societies) and fatness is seen as a sign of laziness/bad health/etc instead of a sign of wealth
same reason you guys like skinny girls

>>76420285 (OP)
high test is correlated with low bodyfat. redditors think the inverse is true, while that only applies if you are genuinely like 4-6% bodyfat AND/OR actively on a deficit. If you are 8-12% bf while on a maintenance, your test is gonna be way higher than when you have mantits.

low bf makes you look like a man. all the typical "masculine" traits are visible when you have low bf. chiseled face, abs, pec definition, arms, shoulders, forearm veins etc. highy bodyfat you have no defintion, you have high estrogen and you basically look like a woman. soft and flabby

>>76420484
The female energy is strong in your passive aggressive reply

>>76420480
That's a fantastic answer. Thank you, Anon!

Humans naturally move a lot, a.k.a do cardio and don't eat fast carbs as a primary food source.

>>76420484
>Thousands of years apart
>The distance between an ancient statue and a random OP image on 4chan is like 1% bodyfat and a couple pounds of muscle
You've completely proven his point.

humans evolved to be under 12 percent bodyfat as hunter gatherers

being above this ruins your hormone profile (non-optimal)

A non optimal body means you are less fertiel and more diseased

a more diseased and less fertile human is less breedable, lower survivability, less capable and therefore the woman will percieve the man as less attractive as their brains will try shy them away from the poor suitor

>>76420529
Goalposts = moved

>>76420285 (OP)
Nature gave men 15% more collagen than it did for women.

Women were meant to carry a bit more fat in order to account for this. Men do not need to, extra fat only makes them look worse.

>>76420285 (OP)
Because women are vapid annoying low IQ children. They should like strong men but they're utterly retarded and below men in every field

Being lean is good provided you can weigh alot while doing so

>>76420480

>>76420521
>>76421438
But he's right. Remake the Olympic throwing competitions so they have to hit a fast, randomly-moving target the size of a deer that's free to move anywhere within dozens of square miles and see what kind of physique the competition selects for.

>>76421461
Right because a lean guy would be incapable of gauging out a big man's eyes out, only powersharters can poke out someone's eyes.

>>76421461
terrible example considering he only lost this fight due to being a retard post-fight and taunting his opponent instead of finishing him off

>>76420395
did you guys know that this guy is Jewish? he's a total shill for Israel.

>>76420351
>op pic
>moderate muscle mass
lol

>>76420285 (OP)
>Why is leanness in men so attractive?
To whom? Other faggots like you? Because women sure don't find it attractive.

>>76420529
>Why are you thinking of shot put fatsos when Im talking about hunters?
>Yeah humans are natural throwers
You talked about throwers, honey.

>>76420586
There is no need, the article is wrong. They do that as a ritual, not for hunting.

>>76421475
A wild claim. Source that throwing at a moving target will make throwers magically lose fat?

>>76420484
>>76420550
>You have a misconception, being above 15% bodyfat as a man is nearly impossible without industrial goy slop seeds.
And yet, the statue is 15% or above without goyslop.

>You can't physically eat that much in a surplus if your diet consists of raw meat and fat and already scarce fruits that are not created by agriculture are tiny and only available for a month and two.
But the only culture, world wide, that ate like that are the Inuit and they are FAT AS FUCK.

>>76420688
Another bold claim. Refute the point.

>>76421163
>The distance between an ancient statue and a random OP image on 4chan is like 1% bodyfat and a couple pounds of muscle
More like 40 lbs of muscle and 5% body fat at least.

Problem is you guys don't know what theses tatues look like in natural light. They are borderline skinnyfat by /fit/ standards.

>>76421638
My brother in Christ the statue has visible abs.

>>76420285 (OP)
>>76420395
>>76421593
I look like this in Brazil and never had a gf

>>76421622
>Source that throwing at a moving target will make throwers magically lose fat?
The fact that you have to find it and chase it first, you fucking retard. How much explication is it going to take for you to internalize an understanding that a who-throws-farthest competition in a stadium and spear-hunting wild game are two markedly different activities?

Lean is king.
Imagine thinking you're fit while not having a visible six pack.

>>76421593
because he looks like a nutcase in the after pic. the hairline looks way back, he looks malnorished, not because of abs but he looks malnourished, he looks like someone that is OBSESSED with "working hard". like the epitome of someone who is at the gym EVERY DAY 3 hours per day. Someone that cant go eat out with you because "macros" etc.

but put that physique and add kinobody's face and a chill outgoing guy who trains 2x a week and put him in a beach wearing a linen shirt unbuttoned showing abs and women would be DROOLING

>>76420292
fpwp

>>76421709
Yes someone gets it, feels like I’m going insane when people post this image like the variable response has anything to do with bodyfat

>>76421647
You are still an indian manlet. Muscles won't fix that.

>>76422362
Fuck off you gay nig, I'm a 6'2 medbvll

>>76421593
>Points at his head directing all attention to his cortisol-gym-balding
Must be that women are turned off by his leanness.

>>76421571
your moms a jew

>>76421571
Damn I thought he was aryan

>>76421647
Just don't scam anyone rakesh

>>76420285 (OP)
Fat lowers T and encourages estrogen iirc.
The average guy these days has half the test of his grandpa and lower test than a 70 year old man. So naturally lean men have higher T = less androgynous features. If our food and diets weren't poison this probably wouldn't be as bad. I really wish I knew how to raise T but everything seems like snake oil.

>>76421593
it's his choice of underwear, super long neck, and receding hairline. He looks way older.

>>76420285 (OP)
>But why would evolution prefer such lean individuals? When you're at 10%, you only have a few weeks worth of energy reserves left on your body.
Female sexual selection is not evolution. Many cases where in nature female selection and hypergamy is dysgenic. Hope this helps

>>76421533
correct

>>76421647
>I look like this
you look dyel

>>76422601
Being lean as a natty will make you look DYEL in exchange for abs

>>76422613
So hop on roids? You're dyel all the same i don't care about excuses

>>76422613
Also those "abs" look like chewed gum. Was it worth it being weak and dyel for this?

take the lean pill

>>76421593
That's because bro looks smaller and weaker on the right. The aesthetics of photography, lighting etc is just not done right

>>76420285 (OP)
Being lean obviously works but people have to understand that Greg already has the hair and face card, so the leanness just enhances that.
If you're an ugly ass mothafucka you're not suddenly gonna look like a model

they're all the same guy

>>76421593
Brothers my biggest fear of cutting is receding hairline like this guy. I’m 32 and I have good hairline but deficit scares the shit out of me. What do? Also I take creatine and I’m fine

>>76422747
deficits don't do anything to your hair line. If anything your hair becomes healther because you are eliminating senescent cells.

>>76421638
Inuits are the exception because they live in a frozen wasteland and animals there have massive amounts of fat to insulate themselves from the cold. You need higher bodyfat to survive minus degree year round places.

In a temperate environment that 99% of the world lives in, the wild animals have little fat so it's not possible to eat enough fat to get fat yourself and you don't need a lot of it to insulate yourself from the cold.

>>76420395
So at his age, what are we doing for such a transformation pretty quick?
>>Has a badass diet for sure and meals cooked for him, no doubt
What else?

>>76423125
borat is in his 50s
inject ozempic into your retina

>>76423139
Im aware of him being born in 1971, hence my question.

>>76423143
hollywood stars use designed steroids and work with a trainer theres nothing more to it

>>76422909
yea and no. being on a deficit makes me thin out and lose haie like crazy. Its defo noticeable if y have to cut for 4-6 months let alone longer. Its not permanent loss tho, grows back when your body isnt in a cannibalize mode anymore

>>76421593
focal length, telephoto vs. wide distortion

>>76423361
its simple lighting more than anything.

>>76422562
if you have high 700s test at 35% bodyfat what's your test looking like at 15% then?

>>76423220
Mine only falls out when I do zero carb. I think you have to dial in your diet if you’re seeing hairloss on a cut.

>>76423676
there are too many variables to give a number for this.
my test was at lowest 287 ng/dl and couple test low 300's when i got it checked around ages 19-24. Now I got my test levels checked at 30,5 years old and it was 804 ng/dl.

over ~500 difference naturally, no change in lifestyle. no real change in diet, lifing etc. no steroids obv. and im over 30 years old, the age when retards on 4chan think you have to hop on trt because your test levels plummet lol. im just going up and up and up.