>natty lifting is a jok-ACKK

>natty
Make sure you buy his book bro!

>>76421697 (OP)
this ABSOLUTE LEGEND ..... SHATTERED....the natty limit....mon dieu!

>>76421697 (OP)
This is 6 months of intermediate training. 8 for hard gainers

>>76421730
if that takes you 6 months to achieve you are doing something wrong, you arent lifting hard enough or eating enough. just eat more and lift harder

>>76421719
i mean that is..... possible? that's 20kg of lean mass gained. and he has huge frame afaik?
I used to weigh 53kg when I started lifting and I didnt have abs. I weigh now 74kg and i do have abs. So I have gained 21kg and my bodyfat% should be lower i guess? because I have abs now and I didnt back then.

but no one would say that a guy like me @ 74kg is roiding. Yet I have gained more lean muscle mass than gvs and i have a small frame, im only 175cm. A guy that is 180cm - 185cm, can put 5-10kg more mass than me.

>>76421748
i have trained for 13 years, so its not like i gained 21kg in a moments notice

>>76421697 (OP)
>surely my favorite youtuber that makes money off his looks is natty
>he would never lie to me, his loyal subscriber
>I just need to buy his workout program and use his referral code when I buy protein and I'm sure I'll look like him in no time

>>76421697 (OP)
>balding
>aging face
>lean while keeping size

Clearly natty

>>76421719
It's funny how he wrote one books several years ago before he wasn't very popular and sold it for like 7 bucks, now it's 30... for an ebook. These "noble natties" are such grifters. And yeah this dude is juicing, aint't no way he gained as much muscle mass as he did in the last bit of time eight years into lifting.

>>76421719
Clearly started juicing in year 7
He's clearly lying about amount of mass gained, just look at his measurements
He gained 1.25 inches on arms, more than 4 inches on chest, and almost 2 inches on his legs
You don't make such a great progress in a year when you've been lifting so long

>>76421697 (OP)
>1 in a million genetic phenom exists
"WOAAAAAAH NATTIES LOOK LIKE THAT?!"

I hate normgroids so fucking much.

>>76422059
this.

It literally encourages people to roid when they don't get results.

>>76421697 (OP)
So natty he moved to China just to get pharma grade anabolics OTC

>>76422106
He moved to China for yellow pussy. His race says it all.

>>76422765
he's mexican

>>76421719
>spins his wheels for 3 years
>suddenly starts gaining lean mass

Lol. Classic.

>>76424582
bro.. he stacked on 40lbs of pure muscle.
thats nuts

>>76424582
Personally I'm not finding it implausible to be stuck at 23 fmmi for 3 years.
I don't find finally getting to 24.2 over another 2 whole years indicative of anything dishonest either.
I'm not ruling out roids by any means but what is it that you know that indicates them? Because 2kg of muscle isn't it.

>>76421697 (OP)
so from the start of his 7th years to the tenth years he gained 2.5 inches on his arms? thats kinda sus

>>76421697 (OP)
So why don't you look like that natty, OP? Why do natty lifters always use other men's bodies as arguments? Surely if this was achievable for you you'd have posted your own body?

>>76424589
thats not nuts at all. most people stack 35-45lbs during their decade+ lifting journey. and obviously most of it is achieved in the early years.

>>76421880
>>balding
>>aging face
this is so funny acting like only roiders are ever old and balding when most normies look even worse without even the gains

>>76421730
>>76421743

>>76421697 (OP)
Not natty.

>>76421730
6 months? If you don't look like this after 6 weeks lifting might not be the hobby for you.

>>76421697 (OP)
I know everyone thinks he's a fake natty but take a look at him in a t-shirt with no pump and normal lighting. Yes, he has crazy big arms but that's the only big thing about him.
The only sus thing is how Cro-Magnon his skull is looking lately...

>>76424603
Most people can't reach 24 FFMI naturally. 25 is considered the cutoff point for the genetic elit. Most roiders hover around 24. Having 0 progress for 3 years, then suddenly making progress again is 100% roids.

>>76424991
This question always gets ignored kek.

The question is, if he looks like this natty then what would he look like on the juice?

>>76425161
Nigger, I'm 230lbs at 5'11 on tren and I bench 4plates for reps. I can definitely find pictures in clothes where I look "natty". This is the dumbest test ever.

>>76421880
>>lean while keeping size
not everyones fat and struggles with weight fyi

>>76421719
I have the same bf%, arms, chest, legs, as him after his year 1 but I'm 10 lbs lighter?

>>76425419
Mirin, but most of the people are dumb as fuck here
You can find pictures of any Mr Olympia looking like a dyel in regular t-shirt, only thing is people like >>76425161 are too dumb to realize that

>>76421730
Legit less than 5yrs natty strength
>not me
You train almost as if youre a retard

>>76426229
Yeah roiding skips the hgh/muscle hardening phase, plus this guy used a ton and wasnt bench/incline/btb focused sonthe insertions didnt lsy out right and he needs to blast again to get his proportions right(srched heavy bench and 1/5 hard incline work).

>>76421697 (OP)
Even if he is natty, 99.9% of natties will never come close. You will never look like that without gear.

sacrebleu where is me mamaaa

>>76421697 (OP)
Common man, he's obviously a one in a million genetic freak of nature.. can't you see?

all that shit to fuck a mid asian bitch he could have bagged without lifting

many such cases

>>76425001
no they don't

>>76426299
that's him untrained state as a long distance runner in natural lighting and without a pump

>>76426229
>You can find pictures of any Mr Olympia looking like a dyel in regular t-shirt
This is actually so true

>>76426523
yes they do

>>76426536
>long distance runner
And? Do you think actual genetic freaks, like Jay Cutler or Arnold, have ever looked like that once in their life?

>>76421697 (OP)
this retard ain't natty lol

>>76421730
kek

>>76421697 (OP)
Pretty much everyone who lifts and makes content on youtube roids right? Except for like, Alan Thrall.

>>76421719
34" chest and 18" legs

what the fuck
how much of a skeleton was he?