Thread 76422010

>join martial arts gym as a beginner to get fit and confident
>get paralyzed from the neck down
I understand SOME minor injuries in martial arts gyms are acceptable. But I read countless posts by you anons saying
>yeah, my shoulder is fucked up now
>yeah, i got my nose broken in sparring
>yeah, i snapped my muscle/tendon in [insert martial art]
How is this ok and acceptable? You are paying money and got a pretty decent chance that your instructor or some asshole sparring guy cripples you. There's a dude on Youtube who reports on fatal or severe martial arts gym injuries and he got literally hundreds of videos.

>>76422010 (OP)
Picrel is bullshit btw
The instructor did a perfectly normal back take, iirc the guy was trying a granny roll at the same time, his head got stuck while his body went the other way. Both guys were great jiu jitsu players, think the guy was a purple belt, it was a fuck up, shit happens
Rener gracie got himself into the trial as an expert witness and declared that gyms letting white belts roll with upper belts is terrible, which is fucking retarded
The instructor has to pay up like $20 million because he didn't have shit like "a written curriculum" and he didn't segregate his beginners from his upper belts. Absolute madness - if you've never trained just trust me
It's a bit like in rock climbing, lots of gyms have these machines called auto belays - you clip yourself into the rope and climb, and when you come off the wall the machine lowers you down. Some fucking retard didn't clip himself in, climbed up then let go and fell, then sued. The gym caved and paid out millions because this guy was a fucking retard, and now there's a good chance we'll lose auto belays because gyms will be afraid to keep them. But they're immensely useful machines, and they're easy to use safely, but because of one negligent idiot we're all punished
Fucking lawsuit culture and the outsourcing of responsibility drives me up the wall. When I climb on an autobelay I have a ritual with how I hook it in, and I also check it's in when I'm a few metres up the wall. Lo and behold, I've never fallen off one and broken both my legs

>>76422010 (OP)
Oh yeah, so some gyms are run like gangs and they will fuck up a new guy, but this is quite rare (outside of Brazil)
Because it's bad business sense - gyms keep them lights on from newbies coming in, they need new blood all the time
Injuries happen inevitably, they're combat sports

>>76422058
>Because it's bad business sense - gyms keep them lights on from newbies coming in, they need new blood all the time
In Germany it's completely normal to have 12/24 month contracts. So they could not care less if they scare you off or treat you like shit. If you stop going there after a month or two, you still have to pay, which is arguably better for them, because they get money for zero service. In my city a dogshit ass gym is notorious for roughing up newbies in sparring for that reason.

>>76422010 (OP)
Yeah I got my blue belt in BJJ and then decided to quit because I deemed it's not worth the injury risk. I fractured my hand, tore a ligament in foot, and sprained my ankle during my time training. To be fair, only the sprained ankle was because my training partner was retarded, the other one's were just accidents. Still, I think that past a certain point in BJJ, say around blue belt level, you've already learned and refined the basics that would actually be helpful in a fight, and now you're risking great injury to learn sport jiu jitsu. Knee and spinal injuries are quite common in grappling. The benefit of striking arts is that you're a lot less likely to cripple your body, but you have to be wary of brain trauma

>>76422010 (OP)
The thing you have to understand about combat sports anon is that they're overwhelming populated by retards

>>76422010 (OP)
lift for health, get a gun for defense

>>76422036
Thats a lot of text to say "this BJJ fag snapped his white belts neck like a twig, and I'm cool with it"

>>76423118
True, I like to type
But the guy was a purple belt iirc, not a newbie

>>76422010 (OP)
No pain no gain!

>>76422036
>The instructor did a perfectly normal back take
No it fucking wasn't.
If the black belt did everything right, he wouldn't have snapped the white belts neck. I don't get how this is such a hard fucking concept for people to understand.

If you attempt this roll from the back, you make sure the bottom guy can move his head and the way the move is actually taught is to put pressure on the head to get him to move with you. The black belt """instructor """ did not give a shit about any of that and went full force forward. The coaches at the gym even confirmed the way the guy did the roll is not the way they teach it. The whole thing was a clear case, Rener bullshitting or not.

And if you didn't talk out of your ass you'd know that when health services insurances are involved in the US you basically have to sue unless you want to go bankrupt. Rener obviously took the side of the guy who got hurt over the insurance company who refused to pay, because he's not a terrible human being, unlike you.

>>76422074
We’re talking about first world countries, Hanz

>>76422010 (OP)
Blow job jutsu is faggot mcdojo tier shit. This is what we get for making gracie trannies and ufc popular. If you wanna learn a real grappling art, learn wrestling or judo otherwise stick to striking arts since most fights in self defense start and end with striking.

>>76422010 (OP)
Id walk into the ufc gym like bruce lee they arent pulling that shit on someone who they can hit and it not do shit, fucking americans.

>>76422293
Yeah i could literally oneshot 99% of anyone in combat sports and yes ill bet money on it, what next an argument?

>coach sends 15 year old to spar with 34 year old
>15 year old dies
Why so 80% of people who spar fucking retards who think they'rw fighting for the world cup?

>>76422010 (OP)
Bring me to the gym they beat your ass in and fucked up your head ill destroy everyone there

>>76424724
>34 year old retard on steroids
Why didnt the kids dad skin him alive what a complete faggot

>>76422010 (OP)
>Zhenhuan Lei had dreams of becoming a scientist, his mother said. He'd even conduct experiments late into the night. He once told her "life only affords a few chances."
>But now Lei, a 26-year-old University of British Columbia chemistry grad student, is in a vegetative state and doctors say it is unlikely his condition will improve.

>>76422036
>Lawsuit culture
>>76424683
>Stingy insurance companies
Imagine how evil one group would have to be to be responsible for both of these societal problems.

>>76422010 (OP)
Absolute nightmare scenario
No money in the world is worth being not able to move anything except your head. Just kill me at this point.

>>76424724
Bongoloids aren’t known to be smart

>>76424732
My alma mater dodging responsibility as usual

>>76422010 (OP)
Yeah Jujitsu bros are retarded. Go learn wrestling like a real man and train your ass off. Then you can go challenge the jujitsu bros and when they get on their back like a bunch of queers you can hand fight them for control, understand how not to get choked out, and beat the shit out of them. Any wrestler who knows how to turtleneck and not get choked will beat the JJ fag 9/10 times.

>>76422010 (OP)
That instructor would get flattened in one punch by prime mike then acts like a dick, hes retarded and likely more inbred than you.

>>76424812
>no but mike would miss and geoffrey would prevail

What about in a street fight youre smoking crack

Martial arts are retarded, just carry a blade or gun for self defense. Humans evolved to use weapons anyway

>>76424821
Gotta get it out of your purse first fairy

>>76424833
>Gotta get it ou- *BANG BANG*
>*dies*

>>76424834
Who am i micheal myers grow a set

>>76424834
So youre gonna try and dodge backwards and jump onto your back?

>>76422010 (OP)
>yeah, my shoulder is fucked up now
Agree. I did jujitsu for two years when I was a teenager. Now I'm in my late forties and isn't funny that the shoulder that isn't quite right belongs to the arm that they always throw you by?

>>76424843
Are you serious? They seriously were manhandling you because they thought itd teach you a lesson?

>>76424851
I assume that was sarcasm. What I'm saying is that injuries are common in martial arts, injuries that might not be immediately obvious but time will reveal them.

>>76424864
Nah theyre being dicks. If anon was competent going in they wouldnt fuck with him at least to reasonable doubt, thats why you just hadouken people in sparring if they are trying to go hard and have to be 2x as good to not get injured if they pull that shit.

>>76424869
>i had to win sparring by any means possible
You had to be born by brother and sister because i cant understand howbsomeone can be this stupid.

>>76424869
You’re retarded and have never seen the inside of a combat sports gym. You’re entirely at the mercy of the opponent when you first start out and it takes at least a month of consistent training to grasp the basics and be able to defend yourself, and that’s against a similar level beginner or intermediate, forget doing shit to an active competitor.

>>76422010 (OP)
Healable injuries are to be expected at the higher levels. I had a concussion once or twice (not sure about the second time) and a few cuts (bcs apparently, rubber knives will tear the skin if they're fast enough...). Shouldn't happen to beginners, but accidents occur there too sometimes.

However, the serious injuries you're referring to, with almost no exceptions, are due to people expecting to be taught quickly and, ironically, safely. Seen things like that a few times as a teenager, from broken bones to a broken neck (which healed after th guy wore a brace for 3 months... he got lucky). For example, you shouldn't practice throws on mats. If you fall at a bad angle, the mat will literally stop your head in place, and damage your spine. If you train on a smooth, rather hard surface, it's easy to roll and disperse the force, provided you've spent the 3-4 weeks it takes to get good at falling.
However, if you tell people as much, they tend to leave in droves, and go to different gyms. Over the years, I've lost a few dozen pupils from refusing to teach them throws before the could fall, or forbidding them from using the thick mats for anything other than backfalls.
At least one of them is crippled by now, from getting his knee tendons torn while practicing a kick defense.

>>76424833
Carrying a knife or expanding baton in your pants is easy. Clipped into the right front pocket (or left, if you're left handed), you can rest your thumb on it without being obvious, and draw within a splitsecond. No slower than getting your guard up, except you now have a weapon in hand.

>>76424869
Nobody needs to be fucking with you for these injuries to develop. Think of tennis players or golfers who get a fucked up shoulder, no-one is fucking with them.

>>76424885
I definitely remember being taught breakfalls before throws. How to land after being thrown over someones shoulder, how to land when falling backwards, how to land when falling sideways etc.

>>76424833
Anyone can get to a subsecond draw and first shot on target with enough practice. The only real situation where draw speed is an issue for a trained individual is someone has a gun already drawn on you.

>>76424821
>>76424891
Knives are pretty shit self-defense weapons, They're very lethal but not particularly effective at incapacitation, which is the exact opposite of what you want in self-defense, ideally you want something that stops the person from being a threat instantly with minimal risk of death and the legal consequences that come with that, ethical considerations aside even if you were in the right and are found innocent in the end, it's still a very lengthy, stressful and expensive process. Knives primarily incapacitate (and kill) through heavy exsanguination which is very slow in the context of a fight, you can cut someone's throat and they will still have about half a minute to fuck you up before passing out, there is a lot of footage of people getting stabbed in the neck with a very strong, visible arterial bleeding and still acting like not much has happened. There's a reason why the saying goes
>in a knife fight the loser dies in the street, the winner dies in the hospital
If you're not going to carry a firearm then your best choice is a taser (an actual one that shoots electrodes) but these are very expensive and bulky, so the next most effective and realistic option is pepper spray. Stun guns (the kind that require contact) and batons are less effective mostly because they require willingly getting into melee with someone, which is the opposite of what you want to reduce risk.

TL;DR carry a firearm and a pepper spray, or just the pepper spray if noguns. Martial arts are very far from the most effective self-defense tool, though being somewhat competent at them doesn't hurt.

t. shooting&self-defense instructor

>>76422010 (OP)
Funny how decades of rigorous martial arts training can be negated in an instant in a street fight as your opponent picks up a rock from the ground.

>join a boxing gym
>get fed to the 15 year old prospect and suffer from brain damage
>join a grappling gym
>the instructor plants your head in the ground, shattering your spine and permanently crippling you
>join a regular gym
>some dyel unracks all plates from one side of the bar which launches the other side with great inertia, hitting you on the head and killing you on the spot

>>76424932
It’s rare to get fed to a prospect straight up, at least in proper gyms. Most boxing gyms are poverty tier ran by niggers so safety laws don’t apply.

>>76424932
Wasn't it the 15 year old who got BTFO by the 34 year old?

>>76424809
>Go learn wrestling like a real man and train your ass off.
I know wrestlers in real life and they all have fucked up necks/spines

>>76424932
>work out at home with resistance band
>it snaps and takes out your left eye

>do calisthenics
>blood vessel inside your brain pops while doing handstand pushups

>>76424723
Thanks for proving my point

>>76424987
>sleeping peacefully in bed
>the roof collapses crushing you to death

>strumming your harp on a cloud up in heaven
>god pulls your halo down over you neck and chokes you out for eternity

>>76422010 (OP)
Yeah bjj is bad, everything it's advertsized for is a lie. Instructors don't explain white belts how to spar or flow, i did judo before bjj and no one was acting like a retard.

>>76422010 (OP)
>yeah, my shoulder is fucked up now
>yeah, i got my nose broken in sparring
>yeah, i snapped my muscle/tendon in [insert martial art]
Those are minor injuries.

>>76422010 (OP)
>boo hoo I wanted to suck his dick before he got paralyzed

there are 8 billion other people, 4 billion other dicks you could suck

>>76422036
>writes up a novel to defend the instructor making a noob into a vegetable
Kek you couldn't make this shit up, typical BJJhomo sperg out
Fyi I did submission wrestling myself, every so often we'd get a complete spastic. The instructor cussed them out every time, that's his job keeping the class safe not being the spastic himself

>>76422010 (OP)
>doing this retarded shit when you will still get insta -acked by a piece of pointy metal

>>76422010 (OP)
not my problem

>>76422010 (OP)
It's always an aggressive cunt that doesn't give a shit what happens to his sparring partner. Literally the same personality type every time.
>Whoah sorry bro guess I broke your arm heat of the moment hahax

>>76422010 (OP)
I've been doing judo for 4 years and bjj off and on for 2 and as long as you don't spar like a retard the worst you're gonna get is broken fingers and toes
If you want to compete you can expect to fuck up your shoulders and ribs at a minimum, all my coachs who were competitive have injuries there.
Also stay way from Tai Otoahi, ive seen first hand two different people exploid their knees preforming that throw

>>76424924
Only niggers attack innocent people and they deserve to die

>>76427440
Looks like he might be some kinda Dagestan shitskin

>>76427576
why the fuck did I spell explode like that
anyway this is what Tai Otoshi looks like for our bjj friends you guys have some crazy names for techniques
both times tori didnt have their knee at the right angle and pulled uke onto it bending it the wrong way

>>76427595
Unless you somehow place your right feet so deep the back of your knee is in front of the uke leg, I don't see how what you describe could happen.

>>76422010 (OP)
>I need constant violent body contact with sweaty men to feel confident
just tell us you're gay anon, you are among friends (/fit/ is a severely homosexual board), nobody's going to judge you
if you really wanted a fighting style for fitness, you should just stick to boxing, picrel IS a crazy good cardio when done right

>>76427678
Maybe if you stand properly but you only pull them in a way that makes them walk forward then their weight would fall on your leg? But idk how one could fuck up that badly, you're supposed to pull with your left hand and push with the right to make them rotate, accidents happen but idk how it happens so often that you think a warning against it is needed.

>>76422010 (OP)
BJJ is the new mcdojo of combat sports