Do normie women actually know the science between maternal age and fertility or are they in the dark? I'm a male and was genuinely in the dark until I stumbled across /r9k/ and 4channers talking about it. It's not something they cover in sex-ed and I've never heard it discussed in the culture. I just assumed women having children in their 40s was as healthy as having them as a teenager.

Like are all the women who suddenly try to have kids in their 30s and 40s blind to the risks, or are they just reckless and irresponsible?

I tried probing the different AIs about it and they literally lied to my face about it, saying that mid to late twenties is the healthiest age to conceive. I went about showing them studies showing it's late teenage and early twenties and the AI reverted to basically saying "lol yeah, you're right to call me out, but I didn't want to promote teen pregnancy".

Then I looked around and so many mainstream sources just make the conversation murky. I feel like they don't want to hurt women's feelings for having a geriatric pregnancy

>>76435234 (OP)
>normie
faggot

>>76435234 (OP)
>Do normie women actually know the science between maternal age and fertility or are they in the dark?

Of course they don't. They are told their whole life that it's OK to fuck around in your teens and 20s and then settle down in your 30s. Pretty much every single study ever done confirms that this is a bad idea but they either turn a blind eye or try to whataboutism by citing a couple of studies that found an overall less than 1 percent increase in the possibility of offspring autism with each decade of men's age (not even gonna get into how those studies have been roundly criticized for not bothering too or poorly controlling for factors like the wife's age or whether either of the parents had autism themselves). Meanwhile for women it's an exponential increase in potential problems.

>>76435332
really?

>>76435234 (OP)
>they don't want to hurt women's feelings
women's feelings don't matter at all when the feelings are contrary to state interests. A woman opposed to trans issues, a woman opposed to mass immigration, a woman opposed to abortion. In the UK a woman praying silently can get prosecuted for intimidation, and local prosecutors will consider legal options when woman swears at a black kid stealing from the woman's own child in a playground.
The state interest here is population replacement, so women aren't told information contrary to it.

>>76435234 (OP)
Everyone knows having kids past or before a certain age is dangerous at worst and detrimental at best idk what kind of subhumans you guys are hanging out with unless by "normies" you mean the ethots and eboys on discord you hang out with all day long playing LOL or whatever new fad gayass game is popular now

>>76435376
no, "everyone knows" that medicine can fix it. Pre-natal screening and selective abortion, post-birth therapies and surgeries to correct birth defects, IVF and ovulation drugs to increase fertility. Women are only aware that things might get expensive, and are genuinely surprised to learn that we are not living in the future when doctors can do anything at all.
Look around and you'll find the same lie everywhere. If you get fat you can just cut out the fat. If you lose weight and have stretch marks you can just cut off the skin. If you delay puberty with drugs and decide to stop doing that, you can just stop and it's fine. If you get RSI there's surgery for that too! Why go through physical therapy when a doctor can just cut you open to fix your tendons? There's NO DOWNSIDE except money. This is what everyone knows and it drowns out egg carton memes and every single older person nagging women about getting kids on time.

>>76435394
Your schizo rambling does not relate to my post in any way whatsoever so im going to assume i just shattered your entire gayass limited terminally online worldview

>>76435403
you're illiterate or a bot.

>>76435407
No i just dont hang out around weirdos who's worldview is shaped by other terminally online people and ragebait journos. Everything you wrote is empty filler.
Maybe you live in some ultra-liberal shithole where people think men can get pregnant and 60yo women can birth healthy babies, i dont know, id be inthe wrong then

>>76435234 (OP)
>Like are all the women who suddenly try to have kids in their 30s and 40s blind to the risks, or are they just reckless and irresponsible?

A solid 80% are just reckless and irresponsible. Roasties always cope and say shit like “I know a woman who had a perfectly healthy baby at 45!” Thinking that a single example of someone getting lucky disproves biology.

>>76435394
>Women are only aware that things might get expensive

No they aren’t. Most women have no fucking clue how expensive all of that shit is just because they are selfish cunts that wanted to wait until their late 30s to have a kid because “muh career!”. Such women shouldn’t reproduce anyways with how worthless they are as humans. Can only imagine how bad of mothers they are. Especially the ones who knowingly get pregnant while single and plan to raise the baby themself as some kind of pet that they can brag about on social media. Must be hell for children raised like that

The risk increase is pretty fucking small desu. I wouldn't give a shit either, just abort if the kid is fucked up and try again.

>>76435243
Normie detected. Why are you here? Shouldn't you be at a casino or something?

>>76435554
>just abort if the kid is fucked up
you are a demon + issues also can come later on

>>76435554
Pretty much this. I'm not going to have kids in my early 20s while having no income. If i still want kids in my 30s (which is the right time to have them), i'll just do IVF or abort if the kid ends up retarded.

>>76435577
they are called normalfags, normalfag

>>76435580
protip: higher income won't change shit besides becoming something like pic related

>>76435578
Giving birth to a downie is cruelty. Demons aren't real dummy.
>>76435580
Yeah it's pretty easy. Bringing a kid into the world while being poor is also fucked up. I grew up poor that shit sucked.

>>76435602
>Demons aren't real dummy.
clearly you are real

>>76435608
I fucking wish I was a demon.

>>76435596
being in your 30s doesnt make you old lol are you underage or something?

that woman is a slut

>>76435617
at 35 a female is clinically considered "advanced maternal age" with increased risks for both the mother and the baby. that's just at 35, 35+ enters significantly higher risk in every way

>>76435617
30 is beyond old to have your first kid

>>76435632
>>76435634
if the kid turns out retarded, i can just abort it lol. you are not going to convince women that having kids as a teenager is a good thing.

>>76435671
u should abort urself

>>76435234 (OP)
My family is full of doctors and nurses.
Lots of paternity rate related fields as well.
They tell me women who come in to have kids at 14-20yrs old have absolutely zero issues having a kid.
Apparently even the super young ones (sub 15yrs) old still have no issues.
It's always the 27-35yr olds who have crazy amount of issues and usually almost die as a result.
Women simply are not designed to have kids that late in life.

But more old moms means more Autism.
More autism means more people will spot Jewish schemes.
So pros/Cons.

>>76435725
this. i got a 14 year old pregnant at 35 years old and her pregnancy went extremely smooth

>>76435725
the zog doctor want you confined to your bed rather than moving around like a natural birth

>>76435234 (OP)
They’ve heard the talking points. They don’t trust the people who tell them.

>>76435234 (OP)
>Like are all the women who suddenly try to have kids in their 30s and 40s blind to the risks, or are they just reckless and irresponsible?
I think they've been lied to or just didn't want to hear it because it's mean to post wall women.

25 or younger for kids folks

>>76435818
>25 or younger for kids folks
both parents
no kid wants an old fuck that can't play with them

>>76435829
i regret not having kids at 18

I think by the time they’re 25+ most have learned about it. <25. Anyway, a fair number do conceive in their 30s, but of course they have less children. That’s why delaying family formation and encouraging women to have careers is a great way to depress the birth rate, which is it’s true purpose. It’s the same reason gay and trans issues are celebrated. LGBT is essentially self sterilization. It’s the same reason abortion is celebrated. It’s the same reason masculinity is vilified (feminine men don’t partner as effectively.) etc. It is the unifying idea behind most or all of western social policy and ideas. Most of the elite are open about the planet being overpopulated if you listen to them.

>>76435577
the word is NORMALFAG

>>76435234 (OP)
>normie
oh the irony

>>76435671
>you are not going to convince women
who said anything about convincing

>>76435725
>More autism means more people will spot Jewish schemes.
1st of all, "jewish" is not capitalized
2nd, more autism will just raise nintendo sales, not antisemitism

>>76435725
>They tell me women who come in to have kids at 14-20yrs old have absolutely zero issues having a kid.
>Apparently even the super young ones (sub 15yrs) old still have no issues.
>It's always the 27-35yr olds who have crazy amount of issues and usually almost die as a result.
>Women simply are not designed to have kids that late in life.
I'm going to call cap on this one
Pelvic bones aren't even fully developed at that age you fucking retard.
You're just trying to justify your lust for pubescent girls
Kindly, kill yourself

>>76435879
my mom got pregnant at 11. she was raped by a nigger. she told me her pregnancy was gruesome

>>76435234 (OP)
Is that Mike Israel on the right?

>>76435234 (OP)
ai slop

>>76435925
>half breed but not by the mothers choice
Join us, take revenge upon your people.

>>76435394
But if you want to buy testosterone injections suddenly they refuse it to you and suddenly they hate money. Mmmh, really makes you think...

>>76435612
You are controlled by them.

>>76435671
Being married with the only one you've had sex with is a good thing and this happens to match with having children as teenagers, it's just you who tries to be retarded and think the solution is killing your own children lmao

>>76435925
My uncle died of covid and his last regret was not taking the vaxx right before he died.

>>76435234 (OP)
Your kid is far more likely to grow up successful and healthy if you and your partner have had at least 10 years of adulthood to establish yourselves financially. That and anyone under 25 isn’t a real person mentally yet. Your argument, taken in a good light, is in a vacuum, and you’re ignoring all factors other than physical fitness. In a poor light, you’re pedo baiting.

>>76435580
Hearing the 80IQ and poor gang lay out their “genius” life plans is always funny

>>76435989
>partner
LOL FAG
Yo howdie "partner", you are fag baiting.

>>76435671
This is why first world nations are dying and whites are going extinct. Congrats you fucking smooth brain. Even the most retarded Africans are succeeding at the bare minimum and reproducing. This is why I have zero sympathy for the collapse of civilization or the extinction of whites. Brought it upon ourselves

>>76436007
Glad someone else spotted it
>>76435989 is a definite fag and smells like a bot too

>>76435554
Except autism doesn't show up on any prenatal tests retard

>>76435234 (OP)
It's been common knowledge across multiple generations that having children later has significantly higher risk

>>76435234 (OP)
I would fuck the shit out of my woman when she's pregnant, let her get ornery I'll tie her dumb ass up and fuck her. stupid bitch

knowing the science for a woman doesn't realistically change anything about her options
so what is she supposed to do, get pregnant at 20 by some dude that has no income that won't marry her, or if he does, can just as easily abandon/divorce her? young women have no real security at all

>>76435234 (OP)
Woman age is all that matter. 14-25 is the best for pregnancy and healthy baby

>>76435234 (OP)
>normalfaggots
>researching things
Take a fucking guess.

>>76436790
But I have a theory that awareness of autism and other disorders increased, jacking up diagnosis rate.
Back then we would just call them weirdos and use the power of stricter society to keep them in line.
Women aren't pushed so hard for marriage now, so the autistic ones take long time to get children in first place and because autism and other disorders are inheritable...

People know it but what you gonna do, have a bunch of kids straight out of high school?
Most people are incapable of washing their own fucking socks in their 20s nowadays, and can't even heat their pre-cooked food in the microwave, they are busy jerking off to hentai, how are they gonna have kids?

>>76435394
How and when do they screen for retards?

>>76435234 (OP)
They think you can have kids up to the age of 40 and sometimes into your early 40's. All of them know one woman that had a kid at like 42 so if it worked for her then it's possible.
1 in 36 kids in the West has autism. Not to make the anti-vaxxers mad, but I'm willing to bet the rate is much higher in women who have kids after 35, good luck finding studies on it tho

>>76435403
no you didn't he took a fat shit on you and this weak ass response is all you could muster
>>76435554
you can't screen for autism you turboretard cuck hence why you were born

>>76436217
>young women have no real security at all
Except the literal child support he'll be forced to pay unless he goes to live in the woods. Fucking retard.

High school biology, the first things we learnt in female reproduction was about follicular atresia.


Don’t know how much normie women are taught or if they take biology in high school but at least in my experience if they took high school biology they should know the science behind maternal age.
My guess is if you’re talking with an AI it scraped google sources, as mid to late twenties is a significantly more socially acceptable time for a woman to have a child.
Clinically, geriatric pregnancies are taken at around 30-35, but high risk is a factor of the level of care the woman has access to.
Modern science has also deluded a lot of woman into thinking they can have children risk free when they’re 30.

>>76435234 (OP)
>Like are all the women who suddenly try to have kids in their 30s
only that it's not suddenly
typically planned

my wife is currently pregnant at 31yo
and that's the earliest it was possible

>high school finished with 18/19
>study for 5-6y for Master degree (sometimes longer)
>PhD for 3-5y
>work for 2-5y to save some money for house down payment and maternity leave
so you're 28y+ before being able to reasonably even think about kids
and that's already in a country that has good child support / maternity leave rules etc.

I wish we started earlier
but it just wasn't realistically possible

>>76436859
>Most people are incapable of washing their own fucking socks in their 20s nowadays
no that's not it

having kids in university is almost impossible
you can still manage
but it takes a lot of external help

having kids right out of university will destroy any prospect of getting a good job
>inb4 wife should stay at home anyway
not possible in modern society unless you're rich

having kids without working a few years
will trap you as rentoid forever
the window for the first home purchase is small (in my country) because the banks will slave you for 20-30y

>>76437037
yo anon, I'm broke but I'm going to have a kid anyway and try to work out the finances as we go.

>>76437056
>I'm broke but I'm going to have a kid anyway and try to work out the finances as we go
i mean that's not really special
poor people have kids all the time

my point is more
if you want to be "conventionally" successful
it's really difficult to have kids in your 20s

>>76437090
>i mean that's not really special
>poor people have kids all the time
Exactly. Mr
>I wish we started earlier
>but it just wasn't realistically possible

>Taking medical advice from r9k

>>76435234 (OP)
Yeah it's pretty retarded and it's just common sense too, let's say your body will get through a traumatic change for 9 months which would help you getting through the experience and recover afterwards better, you being 20 or 35+? Not even talking about fertility, most women have 0 clue about... Not even the fact that having a kid early sets them up for easier pregnancies later...
It just sound good to most women to tell them that they have time for kids later in life because almost all of them fear their first time and they would rather party their 20s away then the reality check comes and they spam antidepressants.

My girlfriend and I are going to have our first baby when she's 34, just the way things worked out. Had to focus on getting a house and married first

>>76435234 (OP)
>I didn't want to promote teen pregnancy"
AI is right in this one tho.
Women know the risks. Only ignorants (the same that pursue pregnancy at or don't take precautions while being teens) will be in the dark.
They know they have an "expiration date" for this. But science has increased the chances, not to get pregnant, but to get the pregnancy to a good end in later ages.
Also, marrying 15yo girls centuries ago was NOT a practise for avoiding complications during pregnancy, BUT ALSO because the idea was to have lots of children because the probabilities to make it to adulthood were low.

>>76437094
did you just ignore that I wrote
>realistically
??

again
of course you can manage kids earlier
but it sets you up for failure
your chances of being generational poor (yes poor people "inherit" their poorness) are a lot higher

if you want to be in the top 10% HHI or better
there's a very high probability your education will look like what I described
and you will have your first kids with 30yo+

>>76435234 (OP)
Ah yes the hub of intellectual conversation r9k a true breeding ground for the best and brightest of our species

>>76437109
you choose whats more important to you.
Kids or being rich.
If you are a shekelberg at heart go for the money, I'm sure all other bergs would approve.

>>76435879
Yes they are retard, and they are also more malleable at that stage for that reason alone, woman's development is pretty much complete at 16-17 and they have their period even earlier for a reason, your complains to the designer, not me. Moral beliefs don't change biology, learn to differentiate nature and what is commonly accepted, two different topics.

>>76437037
enjoy your 1 in 30 chance at a kid with autism retard
I genuinely hope it happens, if your kid ends up autistic think about this post and how I'm laughing at you ruining your life

>>76437116
>Kids or being rich.
there a huge difference between
>being "rich"
which I am not
>having enough money to live comfortably, i.e. living without worrying about money all the time
which I have now

>>76435234 (OP)
Actually 19 to 28 is the most healthy period to have a child and historically that's what the whole of humanity was born up until the 1980s. That's the reason why the value of a women decreases exponentially once she is past 30 and most societies in the world looked down upon women who were single post 26.

Now because of capitalism, easy access to jobs and leftist propoganda , women in their early to mid 30s hide behind an illusion of value that in their mind puts them on a higher tier to other women who are in their early to late 20s, men who try to pursue them and actively look down upon them. In their minds they are more successful and can get any chad they want once they find the "right one" and decide to settle down.

Then when this bubble pops they either get a cat and raise it as their biological child or go on a mad whoring phase sleeping with as many men as possible without protection in the hopes of conceiving a baby and raising it on their own as a single mom.

Many such cases, infact this is just a few years away from becoming the norm

>>76437144
>I choose to live comfortably over having healthy kids
as I said, shekelberg that values being rich.

>>76437149
won't be so comfortable when he gets beaten by niggers in a retirement home
imagine the end of your life being pure misery and humiliation and it's the result of your own choices

The real question is why would you want to force another being into this world when it is so fucked?

>>76437148
>28
NO, you stupid feminist faggot.
Anything past 25 is considered geriatric pregnancy.

>>76437154
>The real question is why would you want to force another being into this world when it is so fucked?
Because I'm not a demoralized cunt

>>76437152
You do realise there's no guarantee your kids will want to look after you. Not that you need to worry about having kids anyway because no one loves you

>>76437157
Ok but that doesn't answer the question. The world is in a terrible state. You want to force a life into this world why? Selfish need to fuck? You think that there is something worth saving? Just want to get off on watching another being suffer?

>>76437154
you could always take yourself out of it and better it

>>76437167
That doesn't answer the question. Stop seething and come up with a real answer.

>>76437162
>Ok but that doesn't answer the question. The world is in a terrible state.
aaaaaaand?
>You want to force a life into this world why?
They can leave it any time they want.
> Selfish need to fuck?
Fucking without making somebody pregnant is super easy these days.
>You think that there is something worth saving?
I'm not saving anything, its the choice of every person if they want to perish or strive towards something.
>Just want to get off on watching another being suffer?
that's a rather lame rationalization as to why you are suffering.

>>76437172
> Ad hominem instead of ever tackling or answering the question.
You lose.

>>76437156

>Anything past 25 is considered geriatric pregnancy

Thats anything past 35. Are you normally this stupid or did your mother drop you multiple times on the head while you were a baby.

END YOUR BLOODLINE BY SHOOTING YOURSELF IN THE NUTS

>>76437148
European monogamous societies typically had kids in their early 20s. During the crisis of the 16th century when you had famines, the age of marriage went up to 27. Family planning and birth control was done by delaying marriage. If they started having kids at 18, although probably healthier, they'd end up with 12+ kids and be starving.

In shithole polygamous societies they just married off children and bred them as soon as they could, without much concern for their wellbeing. The Islamic Emir with 4 wives wouldn't give a fuck if wife number 3 died in childbirth due to her young age.

>>76435602
>Demons aren't real dummy.
jerry marzinsky look him up

>>76435577
you will never belong.

>>76437183
I was going by gods definition

>>76437193
The true meaning of life for a man is to spread his seed. The true meaning of life for a women is to mate with a capable man or men and birth as many kids as possible. Not everything is perfect but polygamous societies actually satisfied BOTH of these natural instincts to a decent extent.

>The islamic Emir with 4 wives wouldn't give a fuck if wife number 3 died in childbirth

It doesn't matter if wife no3 died during child birth, kek that was the most common way women died back then. As long as he gets to have say 6 to 10 kids it was all worth it. Just in 2 generations they will be able to populate half the city with their sons and daughters. That level of biological success is practically unheard of in any other culture for men of similar status

Also people wont willy nilly marry any salim or hussain for kek, they will only marry them if they are strong or successful enough to take care of and satisfy multiple women at the same time. They are in essence incentivising and selectively breeding successful men, i see no harm in that

>>76437246
That may be the meaning of your life but you don't get to choose the meaning of other people's

>>76435234 (OP)
>Do normie women actually know the science between maternal age and fertility or are they in the dark?
My wife works in a pharmacy and most women don't even know where they are in their menstrual cycle, so no they have no fucking clue

>>76437223
> I was going by gods definition

People who know nothing, diss out retarded takes and hide behind God/Religion the moment you critize them are bane of humanity.

SIT ON THE MUZZLE OF A TANK AND BLOW YOURSELF UP

>>76437254
Historically life of a man was obviously worth 10x more than women so this was and remains to be valid in some cultures or societies of the world

>>76437254
You either are a chad who fucks multiple women or a beta whose wife gets seduced by other men....there is no inbetween. The modren society and courts tend to punish successful men which is exactly why so many autists keep springing up

Ps. Ignore the other reply it was for someone else

>>76437246
Considering islamic countries are poor shitholes with an average IQ in the 80s, and white nations have defined the entire modern world, I don't really see that sort of polygamy as anything good.

>They are in essence incentivising and selectively breeding successful men

The people polygamy produces are low quality, unattractive, poor and stupid. It seems to create some ugly looking women too. Part of what makes whites so attractive is that monogamy means there's more sexual selection, elites could only have one pretty wife (and maybe a secret mistress if they're discrete) instead of 4+ ugly wives and one pretty wife.

>>76435634
Agreed
T. Struggling to concieve with 34 year old wife

I hate what the modern world had become. Literally the opposite of what it should be in most aspects.

>>76437162
its actually pretty good unless youre poor and stupid

>>76437160
>malding childless faggot
if you have no kids you are guaranteed nobody will look after you, enjoy being beaten by niggers

>>76437430
The fuck are you talking about nigger? The world is in its worst state since the 2nd world war started. The west is now basically as combination of Africa and India with all social cohesion destroyed and all of it's culture gone. Food has never been so poor of quality with micro-plastics infesting everything. Relationship between the sexes has been destroyed with the family unit a thing of the past as a result over 50% of marriages end because the woman gets bored, fucks off and takes half. The environment is completely cooked as the boomers pillaged it for their own gain and no thought of their children. The financial systems we all take part in allow the rich to rob you through money printing, which they do every day, meaning your labor and savings are worth less with every passing second. Serfdom is the default mode of existence for 99% of people with asset ownership being beyond anyone not born into it - the average zoomer will have to save until their 40-50's to afford a down payment on a house, given prices stay flat, which they won't due to the previous point. Tell me again how the world is good?
>Inb4 just hussle and work hard for your local jew
You are a serf with no hope.

>>76437439
If you are unable to take care of yourself in your 80's/90's it's because you fucked up with not taking care of yourself. My grandad is in his mid 90's and still climbs to the top of his 30ft apple tree for the fun of it (no ladders etc). Eat healthy and train and maybe you won't have to have someone else wiping your ass because your spent your life too fucking fat so your heart gives out at 50.

>>76437457
>he's still seething
damn made you cry

>>76437461
Actual tears. Now stop being fat.

>>76437447
mmmm don't care

>>76436217
I know it gets spammed a lot, but you truly are an NPC in every sense. Like I’m nearly convinced this is satire it’s so on point to what a sub 100IQ mouth breather would parrot endlessly without even understanding the words they are saying or the fact that their info is outdated by at least 70 years now

>>76437037
>muh career!
That’s not the only way you can responsibly have a kid, retard.
Congrats. You fell for the feminist psyop and serve your masters like a good little slave alongside your wife.

>>76435367
Swears... you mean racially abuses? Lmao sorry u cant call a child a nigger without consequences

>>76435234 (OP)
>falling for the globohomo psyop
You should have married when you were get into college, made an offspring when you finish, buy a house when your child is 6 years old, and settle and reproduce more.
Watch your kids make the same mistakes you did, watch your kids bring their own kids to this life, grow old and die together with your spouse.
Instead, you're living shit life, the sanctuary of fidelity has defiled and women are encouraged to ride the dick carousel and race mixing, having kids is looked down upon and the family bonds are shattered.
Most women now have PCOS and fertility problems, men have estrogenic plastic in their semen, and kids are deprived from their sex organs.
All while being fed slop to be fatten like pigs, have to medicate to continue living, and still make money to our over lords and keep believing we are free.

>>76437521
uh huh?
so you rather live in your parents basement forever or get slaved away at some amazon warehouse?

yeah yeah, technically you can also homestead

with my education and the first few years career
I now have a super /comfy/ job
which is intellectually interesting, pays well, has good benefits / vacation and is in demand
and "all" I had to do for it was to delay having kids until 30/31yo

you either never worked a day in your life
or you're trapped in your poorfag world
to not understand me

>>76437588
Nope. I’m 28 and my wife is 25 with no debt, a house, plenty of money and kids. Plus she does not work. And we could’ve done it even younger. You fucked up thinking you had to age match and marrying a useless roastie. Seethe normie.

>>76437588
>which is intellectually interesting, pays well, has good benefits / vacation and is in demand
>and "all" I had to do for it was sacrifice my kids health
the jew in you is strong

>>76437588
> The slave who loves his indentured servitude
Are you a Christian by any chance?

>>76437595
>I’m 28 and my wife is 25 with no debt, a house, plenty of money and kids
that's awesome

but again, not the avg experience
being 28 and having a house is (almost) impossible (in my country) unless you inherit
and being a single earner is (almost) impossible as well unless you get neetbux

>you had to age match
i've been together with my wife since the first semester of Uni

>>76435234 (OP)
My grandmother had children from her teens to her 40s. Maternal age is a concern. But nobody wants to address the elephant in the room that hormonal birth control destroys the female reproductive system over time and you have bitches out there that run it from 14 to 30.

>>76437447
yes sure it is quite bad for the average person who has to live in brown dystopia, but all of this can be solved with having enough money and being smart in who you marry and where you choose to live and what vocation to pursue. we are merely returning to 19th century wealth distributions and if you are smart enough and figure out this you get to live like a king with modern tech.
how about this hypothetical arrangement: working remotely making 6 figs per year, working 3 days per week, living near nature in a decent climate in a high trust homogenous rural area, raising healthy kids with a loving wife, owning your own home and driving a nice car. and this is a very basic arrangement!

>>76435234 (OP)
Stop it with these images... I am doing my best not to fap

>>76435234 (OP)
They get lied to and most people don't look stuff up themselves.

>>76437722
I did not know that. I heard it increases the risk of cancer but I didn't realise it makes them infertile

>>76437345
The problem with polygamy is that it leads to shitty women having the most children because the top men take the good women while the rest of men simp over the remaining women leading to them actually having more children than the women that joined some rich guy's harem when in a monogamous society they would get with the shit guys and both their shit genes would get flushed.

>>76437722
Yup
>>76437814
Yea. The sheer amount of women who have reproductive cancers and ovarian/uterine issues nowadays speaks for itself. It also fucks up their brains and likely has permanent effects. Pretty common sense that you’d have issues if you’re taking a pill that literally tricks your body into thinking your pregnant 24/7

>>76437208
>check his early life
>christian looney
huh

>>76437814
If a man takes steroids it can cause long term effects on his sperm production.
Birth control inhibits female fertility through the same hypothalamus- pituitary-gonad axis as steroids does in a man.
But the key difference is that sperm production is a relatively simple process involving only one body system. Whereas female fertility is you have to have about six different things go right just to have a viable pregnancy actually start. Everything from follicular development to the proper thickness on the endometrial lining of the uterus

>>76438877
He worked as a psychiatrist in prisons and mental hosiptals for decades he says demons are real and a sort of parasite that feeds off the victims negative emotions one expression is paranoid schizophrenia.
You can fend them off with positive thoughts and uplifting music since it seems to create an incompatible energy type that actively hurts these demonic parasites.

You don't need to be a christian to get the benefits from uplifting thoughts.
If you hear voices, intrusive thoughts (like telling you to jump off a cliff) or see visions with glowing eyes then then you should hear what he jas to say.

>>76439007
>can cause long term effect
Steroids aren't birth control. That's hilariously bad info to throw around. 90% of roiders I know have children.
>inb4 hur dur cucked
No, some of got a girl prego while blasting grams. Add onto that HCG is easily available and cheap.

>>76439072
>You can fend them off with positive thoughts and uplifting music since it seems to create an incompatible energy type that actively hurts these demonic parasites.
prayer also

you're wasting breath on trying to talk to that sub 100IQ retard but on the other hand good job spreading word about marzinsky's work

Any woman over 35 you talk to will be in denial because it's in her best interest to be. It's why /fit/ is spammed with posts like "girls under 25 won't date guys over 25" because it's a never ending raid from the biggest losers on the internet- older women (and dork kids from soijak party).

>>76439137
>Steroids aren't birth control
I never said it was.

>>76435879
>Pelvic bones aren't even fully developed at that age you fucking retard
You know how if you want to breed guinea pigs, the female needs to have her first litter before she is 8 months old? It’s because after 8 months, the female guinea pig has a fully fused pelvis. Having an incompletely fused pelvis makes labor easier and less damaging to a female mammal, not harder and more damaging. In fact, if you keep guinea pigs without taking steps to ensure you have a monogenedered herd, you need to spay old females that have never given birth because they can die of dystocia if they get knocked up after 10 months. A female that breeds in the 3-8 month old window can continue to pup until she’s 4 years old, but a 3 year old will likely die if it’s her first litter.

I’m not gonna say “if she bleeds she breeds” or “if there’s grass on the field, play ball!”, but a pregnancy close to the end of a young woman’s last growth spurt (ie ~15) is less risky for her or the baby than a pregnancy at 30 and every reason you can give to why this is abominable is a social construct and not real (unlike gender).

>>76435441
I do agree with your sentiment, but look at all the women who got pregnant in their teens and early twenties. They all seem like shit mothers too. I think it's just a core issue with the west and the "liberation" of women.

>>76435602
It sucked, but do you genuinely think that you shouldn't exist because you were born poor? I don't think being poor erases the value of life, even if it does suck.

>>76436217
The state would step in and take care of her by holding the dude accountable, forcing him to pay child support and alimony. Also she could just get pregnant to a dude with income. She doesn't have to be with a 20 year old guy.

Also nowadays sexual dynamics have changed so much that women essentially have infinite security anyways. There's an underclass of gravely desperate and affection deprived men who will gladly step in and take care of her and her kid in exchange for dispassionate pity sex once a month.

>>76436814
Wow what a "theory" dude. I bet thats true for trans and gay people too! There was always this many, we just became more aware and accepting!!!!

>>76437595
>normie
It's you again, isn't it?

>>76437598
translating "having kids at 30" into "sacrificing my kids health" is so delusional and out of touch with the real world there's no way you're over 17

>>76439997
I’ve found certain pee fetish videos arousing. But in my opinion, it’s also one of those fetishes that I would only find sensual when I am ridden with lust and watching it on film. Not in real life.

>>76436996
and how much money do you expect that to be retard compared to expenses and her own earnings as a single mom doing full time childcare?

>>76437516
you just have zero ability to understand what a woman’s position actually is and are probably autistic and lacking empathy
riddle me a tale on how YOU would get a successful, committed male partner at age 20 as a woman without ever being a whore

>>76439936
how much money do you honestly imagine she would get and how meaningful that would be given she’d have no college degree, single, and caring for an infant?

dude I think I get it finally. there's always a scarcity of women. there's not enough women for men to begin with. and there's even less good looking women.
well after women have babies, their libido is almost completely shot. and it will never come back to what it was before even with steroids.
so you tell young women to act like whores and delay marriage so they will have more sex and pacify more men.

>>76439997
>falling for feminist propaganda
lol roastie

>>76439905
>I do agree with your sentiment, but look at all the women who got pregnant in their teens and early twenties. They all seem like shit mothers too.

That's because ALL the social messaging is demonizing teen mothers and there's extensive social pressure to not have children at that age. So only the most anti-social and stupid women ignore the messaging and follow their natural instincts.

Consider this though. Despite being the irresponsible underclass, and despite sloshing that embyro around in stove spots and Cody's 7%, the babies STILL come out healthy and have less complications than the highly conscious career women trying in their 30s.

>>76439936
There's not a single woman with children that struggles financially in my country. In fact, single mothers are almost universally a part of the lower middle class and live a better life than the low lying wagecucks on minimum wage. They drive nicer cars than wage workers and they often own the house they took off their ex-husbands. I even talk to people from second world countries like Argentina and they say it's the same there.

Meanwhile they're actually imprisoning many men for missed child support payments (they often can't actually make them). More black men are in prison for missed child support than violent crime, and it's speculated that much of the drug dealing that's done in the hood is specifically done because the penalties for drug dealing are lower than missing child support.

ITT: American education. Just lmao. Imagine being borderline infertile at fucking 25.

>>76436217
The incels here truly have a hard time to grasp that it’s not feasible for a woman to have a kid at 20 nowadays. If she is smart, she’ll go to uni until age 23. Let’s say you want to work a year or two afterwards to make some money and establish herself: now she’s 25 in a best case scenario. So we should be pushing women to have children in 25-30 yo time frame. Suggesting having kids <23 yo is completely unrealistic.
Plus if the incels here would actually care about the data the massive drop in fertility and increase in issues happens from 35 yo onwards (called a geriatric pregnancy in medical terms).
So a realistic scenario would be a woman getting pregnant at 25 and having three kids at 27, 30 and 33 years of age.

>>76441635
*getting MARRIED at 25 and having three kids at 27, 30 and 33 years of age.

>>76435602
> Demons aren't real dummy.
Why is Reddit browsing here?

>>76441635
>If she is smart, she’ll go to uni until age 23. Let’s say you want to work a year or two afterwards to make some money and establish herself: now she’s 25 in a best case scenario.
uhm youre not supposed to do all that, you're supposed to marry a complete stranger when youre 18 so that if you ever dare think of divorcing him you'd be left helpless with zero usable life skills or education

it's all about control

these kind of threads are so blackpilling to me because i'm considering getting married with a girl i met in January this year and it's been great since then but she is 30. Yeah she is hot and all but /fit/ says that anything over 25 is a death sentence for a man. On the other hand i got myself in this situation. What do?

Also before you start hating, she only had 3 partners in her lifetime, she is religious and we didn't have any pre-marital sex and she is a laywer. It can't get any better than that in this day and age.

>>76441664
>im not going to marry this perfect woman because strangers on the internet with barely disguised pedophilic tendencies told me she's too old
retard

>>76441635
I went on a date with a 22 year old yesterday and she had no idea what she is doing, she went in Europe for uni and she got depressed and dropped everything and came back home and now she is trying to figure out what to do. Is this a good chance or nah? She ain’t virgin btw and she has 3 small tattoos (barely visible). I’m 32 and broke but she doesn’t know (only got 40k in the bank)

My wife is a christian lebanese, pregnant right now at 27. She has 7 siblings, her mother got these children from her late teens to her late 30s. My wife and her younger sister were the last. Both are very smart and fine all around.

There is a sweet spot realistically if you want to live in a modern world, where you need two incomes to live decently. To have these two incomes your wife should also have established a solid base career-wise before having a child, not to handicap her full life. If you want to have multiple children, your wife will stay on the level she has before pregnancy and hardly increase.

Of course these teenagers here will think and lie that this is not a problem and that they can or want to provide all alone. It is possible but not to a high standard. Your childs development is not just bound to the best biological time, but also the amount of money you can invest in them. Think of a good neighbourhood for them to grow up in, experiences to be had, private school and all this.

This is simply reality now, you need two incomes.

>>76441664
if she isn't a virgin but is making you wait until marriage to have sex with her then you're just a sucker
if for some reason you actually believe she is a virgin, then knock her up on your wedding night and you'll be fine

>>76441944
>This is simply reality now, you need two incomes.
i have to repopulate the white race, sorry kids, no college for you, i chose your brothers and sisters existence over that instead
if you want to play a PS5 go make friends haha

>>76435234 (OP)
>Do normie women actually know the science
Of course not. Normies don't know anything related to science, whether it's about fertility or anything else.

>I just assumed women having children in their 40s was as healthy as having them as a teenager.
While it is possible to have a healthy child later in life, risks do increase with age.

Biological age is a factor, but I'd honestly be more worried about:
-diet (do they eat seed oil slop?)
-lifestyle (do they exercise regularly? do get good sleep consistently?)
-environment (do they work at a golf course, constantly exposed to pesticides? do they live in Beijing constantly breathing smog?)

Age itself carries its own risks, but it also allows for greater exposure to bad habits and environmental factors that I believe pose a greater risk than just being older. A roastie who spent 2 decades partying and now wants to have a kid is going to be a lot worse off than an athlete who has spent her life exercising and eating clean.

Anyway, I'm the youngest of 4 kids, and my mother had me at 32. I turned out fine.

>>76435234 (OP)
>I'm a male and was genuinely in the dark until I stumbled across /r9k/
Go back

>>76435634
Not at all

>>76435632
It's like a 1% increase after 35 compared to before

>>76441944
No, your wife should have a job before going pregnant so that you can steal money from the government from maternity leave. This is a Robin Hood situation where you are merely stealing money that was stolen from you in the first place by the sheriff of Nottingham tax collector. Then she says "yes yes I'll go back to work in 2 years", then have another child, "yes yes I'll go back to work in 2 years" again. And so forth and then go back to work 30 years later to get the retirement paycheck. I'd feel no remorse doing this, you fucking retards and your denial of nature brought this upon yourselves, your maternal leave system is absolutely retarded and will NEVER work in the first place.

>>76442096
No it starts being significant around 30 and then spikes after 35. Common infertility, let alone complications, start at 30 years old for women. And this is so weird, do you seriously want women to wait to have sex until they are 35 years old? When do they generally start engaging in sex? It's 15 isn't it? Ergo sexual reproduction should happen at 15.

>>76435634
In Europe the average age at first birth is 32.

>>76442052
Having a 4th child at 32 is entirely different from having a first child at 32 after being on the contraceptive pill for 17 years. Imagine being on roids hormones since you were 15 years old and then stopping at 32, you can't be comparable to another 32 years old in this situation.

>>76441635
>If she is smart, she'll do what every other girl-failure will do
lole good one fucko

>>76441645
>you should lose your virginity at 15 to someone you barely know then get your bonding ability irrevocably broken and then who cares what you do, you are stuck, we won, and we'll tell you that you are "free" instead of stuck to make sure that those who follow get stuck as well

It's all about making people lost and stuck.

>>76441664
>she only had 3 other men ejaculate in her, it's not like she had 9 men do it okay, that's be disgusting, she came just pre-fucked enough

>>76441643
You tell me fucko.
>>76439912
I think if you make an oopsie it happens but doing it on purpose is pretty cruel.

>>76435234 (OP)
>Learning about women's health from /r9k/
Shoggydoggy

>>76441664
>"only" had 3 partners
>but is making ME, the man who's going to give him the highest level of commitment, be sexless until marriage

You are so pathetic I can hardly find words to describe it.

>>76442153
That was the entire point of my post. Environment and lifestyle are arguably more important than age by itself.

>>76442232
That's hardly the worse part about it, think about it rationally, have sex with a whore you become 1 with a whore, if he didn't have sex with her, it's actually himself that he is saving. You think way too much about women, think about the sanctity of men as well, otherwise it's putting women on an unwarranted pedestal and acting as if men are dogs.

>>76442211
>>I think if you make an oopsie it happens but doing it on purpose is pretty cruel.

>All births before the rich lifestyle of the middle class of the 1960s were "oopsies"
>Oh and also, the decline of births just happens to coincide with people becoming richer in the 1960s when in my understanding of the world, the reverse should happen

>>76442241
>think about the "sanctity" of men as well,
No. Sexual experience in a man is a good thing, but it is bad for women. Women desire and respect experienced men, while we are disgusted by promiscuous women.
The idea that there's anything inherently desirable about male chastity or "purity" is some coping christcuck delusion.

This is not a double standard. Men and women are different things and thus are rightfully subject to different standards. This is nature.

>>76441664
She won’t let you have sex with her and she’s already been ran through?
Lol
Lmao

>>76442262
Oh really, there's 10 ways I can go about destroying your ill-intent rationale.

How about, even if men don't lose bonding ability while having sex with strangers, with who can they have sex with then? Other men? That's perverted. Animals? That's just as perverted. Women? Well according to you it's bad toward women therefore it makes men who do it bad people that shouldn't be married anyway right?

Here's another, if men's bonding don't get destroyed by having sex with everybody, doesn't that mean that men don't even have a bonding ability in the first place? After all, you cannot destroy what was never there in the first place, therefore you are implying that men cannot be loyal in the first place, quite the feminist opinion.

How about the sort of argument I personally prefer, the fact that men and women may be different, as they are sexes, but at the same time being sexes and the only thing that can be compatible sexually with each other, it makes them compatible, different but compatible. If men cannot be loyal but women are loyal, that's not compatible, loyalty can only function, ergo be compatible, if both have it, therefore you saying that men and women are different makes no sense in this regard, they both need to be compatible for sex and child rearing to function.

Also, humans are monogamous BY NATURE, there's polygamous shamans in Africa? Okay what percentage of the population are they, 1%? So 99%, the rest, are monogamous. Getting down to it, you are just like a roastie rationalizing your whoredom, oh because some rainforest people did polygamy once, that justifies my actions now! That's so insulting to rationality.

The only reason women don't care about male purity is because they are a hive mind and they've been easily brainwashed into thinking that it's not a "popular" trait. Also the fact that they are all whores in the first place, a guy like you who is also a whore is someone they can nag and hide their own whoreness.

While it is certainly true that young pregnancy is more health for the mother, and that traditionally a woman's first pregnancy occurred in late teens/early twenties, it is not true that women never had children into their 30s and 40s. Prior to birth control, many women would continue having children until infertility or pregnancy related death. So while younger pregnancy is better, pregnancy at older age is also normal (though not normal for a woman to be old at first pregnancy)

>>76435234 (OP)
It's strange that it's never talked about and most people don't know about it when it's such a topic that's very researched and relevant to everyone

>>76435376
Defo not true. You are delusional. I work in a bar part time and it rarely comes up in conversation with my mates, customers or workmates but when it does they know nothing about it or think it's overexargated or not that bad

>>76441944
For neurodivergent parents
Online home school your kids and live in a multi generational household like an immigrant

>>76435879
You know google exists right?

>>76442395
It's the sort of thing that is "definitely not happening" and "men and women are equal" but also at the same time "it's actually men in their 30s who give birth defects to children". You know the whole "men are not better than women because of equality but also women are better than men".

>>76442431
Thankfully I'm not chronically online and I know that the majority of people irl don't believe in the men, women bs. It's definitely more prevalent with some of the girls at uni but at work >>76442404 normal people just know that men are stronger that women etc etc

>>76442451
I knew a woman whose husband was working in China for 8 months while she was raising a newborn child and she was one of the worst offender. Then I saw her again when her husband was back and all that poison seem to have been drained from her body. It really stems from hatred of men, daddy issues, abuse reproducing by abuse, etc. University/Tiktok just makes infecting people with this poison a factory process.

>>76442262
>Sexual experience in a man is a good thing
She isn't my first, to be honest i got deluded by her appearances in the church, also someone is spamming this pasta. I broke up with her in early May, although i didn't put my penis in her vagina we did some other stuff but regardless it's finally over and im doing better now. I went on a date with a 22 year old yesterday

Im sorry to inform you op, but you've just taken the true redpill, 90% of the population is made up of actual npcs, people with little to no motivation or introspection. People who don't question their day to day, their goals, or feel anxiety about the future or the clock ticking, they just stumble around thinking they have all the time in the world.
Just look at fatsos, they never do shit about it until a so-called "health scare" comes up. And similar to that, all the women you see just fuck around till they realize they are 30, unmarried, and need to start freezing their eggs if they want a chance.
Most women dont know that 16-21 pregnancies are safer than 21 to 26, most women dont know that after 30 their chances to marry plumbit, and after 40 they are obliterated.

>>76435234 (OP)
the risks are real but also overblown
incidence of most malformations do not increase significantly until 35-40, and even then, it's a 1-2% incidence, specifically for down's syndrome after 40
your biggest risk of having children (as a woman) at an advanced age (eg 35 or older) is inability to conceive.
it's better to have them younger, but it's unreasonable to claim it is a familial death sentence if your wife has kids past 30
>t. father of 2, 9 years apart, neither with autism or down's syndrome

>>76442792
So you want people to have down's syndrome kids? A 2% chance is huge, a family with five kids would be very scary to have.

>>76442800
>so you want people to have down's syndrome kids?
i won't be baited by such an egregiously loaded question, retard
lol

>>76441664
>she only had 3 partners in her lifetime, she is religious and we didn't have any pre-marital sex
Bruh
I get being desperate and not caring for a lot of things because you can't do better, but how can one be this retarded?
How does this situation play out in real life?
>You want sex? I don't. Only my ex's get to fuck me, just not you. I really like you though you are a good person. They were only 3 because I said so btw.
>Oh cool you are so religious and awesome, understandable. Sorry for even thinking about having sex with my 30 year old woman, let's play nintendo instead.

>>76442830
So you admit that people who aren't you actually want healthy kids?

>>76439940
A lot of LGBT "newcomers" are girls labeling themselves as bi. Trans stuff is just straight up grooming of lonely autists from what I gather.

And about the autism (and possibly ADHD-induced RSD)... there is reason alcohol is considered a social lubricant.
It makes mild autists less rigid, ADHDers less anxious and normalfags too drunk to notice minor social faux pases.

>>76435234 (OP)
You're retarded for talking to AI thinking that it can think and reason, it can't (much like yourself). The idea that an increased 2% I'm birth deficiencies that might result in a retard such as yourself outweighs the monetarily and social advantages of waiting to have children is, much like yourself, retarded. If I was a woman I wouldn't have children until nothing fun could ever happen in my life again, and if it was retarded I'd abort. Simple as.

>>76441645
Ding ding ding. Insecure weak men hate that you're giving away their secrets.

>>76435989
>That and anyone under 25 isn’t a real person mentally yet.
How do we speed that up for men? I'm thinking creatine and tobacco.

>>76442258
This post is very poorly written. Try again.

>>76443203
Having children as poor is not an "oopsie", it's normal. Imagine most technologies did not exist 8000 years ago. Money itself is about 6000 years old, herding animals about 10 000 years old, births still existed beforehand, as a matter of fact, birth started declining when most people started to become rich in the 1960s.

>>76443137
What we can be certain of is that the people of influence don't want to decrease the rate of ADHD and autism either because of itself or because they don't want to threaten the cause of these conditions.

>>76443284
Both disorders are inheritable and quite incurable, so all you can do is to keep that under control with meds or proper social support.
You can't quite decrease it especially that instant dopamine is now constantly in your pocket and it's easier and easier to be a shut-in considering you can do more errands through internet.

To "deal" with those, we would have to go back to pre-industrial close-knit communities where you have to go outside and work alongside other people.

>>76435234 (OP)
>I tried probing the different AIs about it and they literally lied to my face about it

>>76435841
Based noticer

>>76437833
What if polygamy leads to an extreme care for the quality of the female supply?

>>76442350
Man is Earth, woman is Moon.

>>76443262
And what's wrong with that. Less people is better. I'd love to live on a planet with a population of 1B or less.

>>76435841
I don't think anyone celebrates abortion

>>76435841
Do you see no problem with this? What is up with you mindless breeder parasites?

>>76443940
Do you see how it's slowing down? WE NEED MORE!

>>76435634
>30 is beyond old to have your first kid
For women, absolutely. Men can have children at almost any age.

>>76442350
That's a lot of words to rationalize away the most basic common sense known to humans.

Sexual experience in men is good.
Sexual experience in single women is bad.

It really is that simple.

>>76435243
Where the fuck have you been child?

>>76444000
they can but the older you get the more your sperm count reduces and the higher the risk of aberated sperm

>>76443933
It's actually part of some I think jewish possibly canaanite derived customs related to child sacrifices.

>>76443940
break it down by population and which ethnicities are having those kids

>>76443940
What if the human overpopulated the earth and it become so heavy and it fell from space?

>>76443566
The point is that there must be selection on women.

Supposedly the selection for coloured hair and eyes in aryans originated from their pastoralist nomad warrior ancestors where only a few men made it to adulthood but were not able to support many of the women available so even those who earned the rights to many wives were forced by few resource to only have one or two and thus chose only the best which led to selection for traits that distinguished the women like pretty adornments and less odious personalities.

All the women I know have been aware of it since they were in high school. Doesn’t change the socioeconomic context they live in. Women face social pressures telling them to have careers first and kids later, so they do. Men can’t afford a house until they’re 40 (if ever), so they delay having kids.
Life should be structured such that people on average have their first home + first kid at 24 and their second kid at 26. But it’s not, so they don’t.

>>76435985
Nice try, crisis actor. Covid was a hoax and nobody (0) died from it.

>>76436217
Anon stumbles upon the reasoning for women marrying older men being the norm across nationalities, religions and cultures for thousands of years. It makes sense for the men best able to provide to marry the women best able to bear children.

>>76444209
A lot of people died from the overreaction to it

>>76437037
Why on earth did your wife need to get a PhD if her goal was to have children immediately after?

>>76444251
His wife has a phd because it's not enough that the smartest women are forced to waste their most fertile years they must be indebted to the hilt and the value of male PHDs must also be reduced so that corporations don't have to pay proper wages for them.

>>76444184
Blonde hair was actually selected for as it's a signal of youth, same with the extremities of a light complexion. Everyone naturally darkens as they age, so absolute paleness like you see in Northern Europe is due to heavy sexual selection.

Women were much more reliant on men in Northern Europe. The soil was hard to till for agricultural grains and that meant you had men doing much of the heavy toiling. In rice cultures, women could work the paddy next to men and it was more labour, but it was softer labour. It's why there's a collectivist streak to wherever you find rice as a staple crop.

In Africa you actually had women working as the farmers while the men basically sat around like women gossiping. A guy would fight, assemble a harem, and basically pressgang his wives into growing all the food. You see that now with black women just outperforming black men economically wherever they live together.

>>76443152
AI doesn't reason but it has hard-coded safety rails which you can struggle against. I often go testing the limits and repetitively find where it outright manipulates and lies to you. If you approach a no-no topic and press it, it'll gaslight you with "It does feel like that, I understand why you feel that way, it does seem deceptive when I say, etc".

Again, when called out, it said it's priority was to "not to promote teenage pregnancy".

>>76444319
Plausible theory, I think it dovetails well enough with the theory I proposed about aryans which I beleve I got from Kevin Macdonald.
I read somewhere that euros are the most sexually dimorphic race.

>>76444024
Shut up sub90 IQ.

>>76435234 (OP)
Unironically the countries that force women to get married instead of going to college have it right. Having a "career" is something men should do. Women holding off on giving their best years to their husbands and instead spending it on Chad is why our society is collapsing.

>another fit thread where everyone is married rich with a stay at home wife and many kids
of course

>>76442052
>I turned out fine.
You're on 4chan

>>76442262
>Sexual experience in a man is a good thing,
Lmao

>>76435234 (OP)
Why the fuck are we arguing about dumbass normalfags all I want is one day to bust a fat nut in my delicious wife and knock her up with my superior seed

>>76441664

Honestly if she isn't a virgin and under 25 marriage should be off the table. That is minimum.

>>76435441
I think most women would secretly rather start a family in their mid-late 20s, but socially they're expected to put their career first. The increasing cost of living and the consequent increasing age to reach milestones where you're more financially stable play a big role too. A lot of the women themselves aren't aware of the risks of fertility treatments, as they're told they'll work fine without any side effects

>>76444163
That'll only happen if America becomes overpopulated

>>76435234 (OP)
>be a 66 year old single woman
>lie about your age to get IVF
>give birth to twins
>get publicly criticised about this by your family
>die 3 years later of ovarian cancer
>your kids are now orphans
>refuses to elaborate

>>76445344
Great prank.

>>76435234 (OP)
You can search anything online, there's no excuse to not find an answer.

>>76443940
It is a problem because the vast majority of those births are from low iq subhuman brown "people"

Should i have children knowing that i have aspergers? On one hand id love to have a son. But im scared about passing down this debilitating condition+im not sure if im mentally strong enough to take care of a child

>>76443940
Maybe climate change isn't so bad.

>>76444251
>Why on earth did your wife need to get a PhD if her goal was to have children immediately after?
because in her profession that's a "must" if you don't want to be parked in bullshit, low paid positions
again, you basically need 2 incomes to not live in some shitty, moldy, neetbux financed apartment
and if you want to have some choice / job security you need a good education

generally it's not strictly necessary
but the timeline is still fitting
because most people will not do their masters in 5y after graduating high school, but more like 6-7y

>>76444283
>PhD
>be indebted
kek
the american mind cannot comprehend
we're european
my wife (and me) were paid very well for our PhDs
and university was free, government even paid me to go to Uni
my wife left without any debt, I had 10k€ (the max, capped amount) which I paid off during my PhD

Normie women are aware, it even used to be called a geriatric pregnancy if you had kids age 35+
They also however consider it a risk to have children earlier because the don't know their partners as well, don't have as much cash, need to buy a home (good luck with that now) etc.

I also think it's important to note that it's not just women. Male age and drug and alcohol use also impacts sperm quality which can in turn lead to health issues in the child.

>>76444000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect

>>76435376
fuck yeah tell these shit kids whats fuckin what god damned smarmy little queers

>>76442350
jesus the amount of cope from this roastie

>>76442792
>the risks are real but also overblown
>incidence of most malformations do not increase significantly until 35-40, and even then, it's a 1-2% incidence, specifically for down's syndrome after 40
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooold mc donal had a farm
Cope cope cope cope cope!

>>76441664
>she only had 3 partners in her lifetime, she is religious and we didn't have any pre-marital sex and she is a laywer
>religious
>3 partners before you
>wont allow you to have sex with her
>is 30
What kind of logic is this? 3 partners and religious? Did she marry her partners and then divorce happend? Did she become religious after having 3 partners?

Someone pull up the stats showing having x amount of partners increase the chance of divorce and infidelity, You are getting scammed anon if you think it is gona be a smooth ride just because she is hot and fit, with a history like that it is gona be rough.

>>76441664
>she only had 3 partners in her lifetime, she is religious and we didn't have any pre-marital sex and she is a laywer
These are red flags anon.
I married exact one like yours, and sex was awful and eventually stopped.
We go to couple therapy and she just lie about it and blame me, now she want kid without sex.
This is what women want now.

>>76441664

>>76441664
Are you certain that she has only had 3 partners?

>>76447132
I met her in the church and she told me she is truly repented and asked me multiple times if I care about her past, deep inside I always did so I ended up breaking up with her. But I’m really not denying the fact that she is now a true Christian. She did tell me she regrets her past.

>>76447160
Wait are you still with her? When did you find her?

>>76447184
Man I knew this chart before getting with her. I was really deep into religion earlier this year and I got deluded. Never again, just imagine before her I had a virgin gf but she was also 30 and 4/10 looks (but thin)

Now I’m an incel and trying to cope, also my best friends father just died and I’m gonna have to help him.

>I'm religious
>I demand a virgin wife like me
>Boohoo why am I still still sexless at 35
>Woe is me
>I just want to fuck /b/ros

>>76447204
>Wait are you still with her? When did you find her?
4 years now.
We're both 34, and she's very smart manipulator she manged to make the therapist believe her for a while

>>76447222
Did you start a family yet? Are you planning of divorcing her? Why didn't you see the redflag early?

>>76447284
No family yet, you can't have children you don't have sex.
Really thinking about getting a divorce, but it's not easy decision for a man to take and there's no hard ground for it like infidelity.
I didn't see them because I was lovestruck idiot with autism and being khv for long time.

>>76447926
not that anon but this part in one of your earlier posts
>now she want kid without sex.
Does this mean she wants you to cum in a syringe or does she want sperm donation from a sperm bank (aka not you)?

>>76447982
>Does this mean she wants you to cum in a syringe
This.
She says I'm too big for her and having sex hurt her, but she still wants kids with me so she wants IUI.

>>76447988
literally by a mug (preferably with a moomin character in it), cum in it, transfer cum to pussy, pay child support, simple as

moomin mug method (muumimukimenetelmä) is literally an age old Finnish concept and it simply works, absolutely no need to pay medical vampires any for simply transferring some sperm into pussy, fertile women actually can become pregnant even if you just cum on their belly or shit, some sperm usually finds the way into pussy anyway and bang! she is pregrant and bob is your uncle (pun not intended)

>>76448092
the issue isn't that anon.
the issue is his wife don't want his dick.

>>76435602
>Demons aren't real
>also everyone who is poor or genetically unfit should be genocided via abortion
I don't think I'll trust your opinion, because frankly you sound like you are emotionally and spiritually unwell.

>>76437006
Geriatric pregnancies are defined as pregnant women over the age of 35, not 30. It's not a range. The cut-off is specifically 35 years old.

>>76447988
>She says I'm too big for her and having sex hurt her
This sounds like a cope, unless you are gigantic and she is really tiny, like 4'10 tiny then there should be no problem.

I remember reading a screenshot of some dumb women post on a female reddit, and if we assume she was not telling lies then
>her partner is "too big" and sex is painful
>she gets a new partner that is actually bigger then her previous
>she has no pain at all during intercourse.
>the guy that took the screenshot theorize that the woman was simply not attracted to the first guy, hence it was painful to have sex regardless of size.
So unless you are not hung like a horse then she is simply not sexually attracted to you. She might like you as a potentional father for her child but not as a lover for herself, which is bullshit but alright.

>>76448194
I'm pretty sure it is.
She deny it though.

>>76435989
>anyone under 25 isn’t a real person mentally yet.
so why they can vote?

>>76449129
Because they can makes it correct?

>>76448194
>I was browsing female reddit
Entire. Post. Worthless

>>76448212
Anon, that sucks. I was in a similar situation, had the kid anyway, just mechanical "gebtle" sex with no love or passion. Kid was born and It was a nightmare, and we divorced.
If attraction is dead there is nothing you can do. Coolidge effect works for women too, and moreso it's the effects of habituation. Familiarity kills libido in women. Doesn't matter if you're ripped turbo chad to the rest of us. Over time she witnessed enough of your failures and weaknesses, which accumulate against you and never go away. Not saying it's completely over for you, but "happy loving family" is probably not gonna happen with this woman.

>>76435234 (OP)
They don't need to know on a subconscious level. Their bodies just tell them.

It doesn't matter

a perfectly healthy 18 year old can have a fucked up retarded child that contributes nothing to the earth as much as a 40 year geriatric can

>>76449197
>Coolidge effect
Muslims were into something

>>76449319
Yeah
But the odds are worse for the 40 year old mother

>>76435394
>uh everyone knows you can "fix" birth defects through murder

>>76449145
You might as well say anything a woman types down on any form of social media is worthless.

>>76449319
see>>76446986

Big difference between 1/2000 vs 1/100 when it comes to down syndrome chance.

>>76449738
her hedonistic comforts come before the babies health and well being.

>>76443940
>Literal fag whinging about people having children
Thanks for admitting the whole purpose of your "lifestyle"

>>76435234 (OP)
I've been aware of it for a while and it's honestly scary if you actually want kids. Most women genuinely do not know and are lied to/conditioned to believe in casual sex, no children and "settling down" in their 30s where pregnancy starts to become fairly risky. It's just feminism bullshit.

>>76435554
It's multiplicative with age and muh abortion escape route can lead to permanent damage/increased risks for further pregnancies if not infertility. You are extremely naive to think abortion is just a haha no pregnant now xd procedure with no consequences.

>>76443933

>>76441664
>30
>non-virgin
>lawyer
Holy fuck it's never been more over

>>76449129
because the media is there to control what they think and how they vote

purely hypothetically speaking
Is it actually safer for a teenage girl to have a baby with her own brother becasue they were experimenting together than it is for a woman over 35?
I meant a lower risk to the child, but I guess it could also be less physically risky for the girl to give birth too.

>>76435394
You're hilariously medically ignorant, topkek. Inb4 you're some faggot RN or CNA who thinks his asswiper medical opinion carries more weight than any idiot off the street. Leave the thinking to the white coat azns next time

>>76435234 (OP)
Young women are told by some older women that they should wait to have children until they are old or not have children at all. These older women typically are the ones who do not have children yet and they thus engage in fertility suppression of the younger women.

It is actually absolutely beautifully explained by Jordan here:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t427pYWgef4
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t427pYWgef4

>>76451556
>juden peterstein
no thanks.

>>76451568
Just listen to the explanation, it's very insightful. I wasn't consciously aware that there is an evolutionary reason why young women are told not to have children (by old women). But it makes perfect sense now.

>>76451578
no, I wont. stop shilling him.

>>76451578
This is 4chan, type it up as a summarised greentext, screencap it and then share the image around.
If this reaches suffcient memetic power others will share or build on these greentexts

>>76451585
Ok then don't

>>76451595
no click the video, like and subscribe, retweet

>>76449646
no they weren't, they stop at 4

>>76449197
this was recommended on /x/ as an explanation for why bedrooms die

>>76451647
>4 legal wives
Harem is the exception

>>76444024
Double standards are retarded. You're a sexual deviant and your sex doesn't save you from that fact.

>>76441252
>More black men are in prison for missed child support than violent crime, and it's speculated that much of the drug dealing that's done in the hood is specifically done because the penalties for drug dealing are lower than missing child support.
fuckin wild

>>76435602
>Giving birth to a downie is cruelty.
downies are unironally happier than us

>>76435234 (OP)
They know but women also have no concept of time and believe that inaction is totally fine. This is why things “happen” to them and it’s never their fault. My wife is 38 and pregnant with our first and thankfully she was basically sheltered so she’s healthy. Still nervous though.

>>76451665

Looked into the general ideas of this book. Old tantric concepts but applied modernly. Makes sense desu.

>>76435234 (OP)
SSSSEEEEEXXXXXX

>>76435234 (OP)
>I tried probing the different AIs about it and they literally lied to my face about it,

...

>I asked a tool designed to spread propaganda and normal-think and it literally gave me propaganda and normal-think

What did you fucking expect mate?

>>76453014

Looked more. Her husband is the one who made the YourBrainOnPorn website and all the jews attacked. Another bonus for this. Anyways, the concept just tracks: intimacy > mating techniques (just seeking orgasm).

>Do normie women actually know the science between maternal age and fertility or are they in the dark?

No. They are in the dark. 30 is already defined as "advanced maternal age". Medical intervention is usually necessary at this point, even though it's socially considered normal to have children at this time.

The vast majority of yours ancestors had the majority of their babies IN THEIR TEENS. This is why men are attracted to teenage girls, because that the age women are supposed to get pregnant. Historically, by the time a woman is 20 she would usually be on her second or third pregnancy.

Interesting OP paternal age is never talked about either. Did you know that advanced paternal age is autism. Bet you didn't huh?

Seriously. Find a person with "autism", you know, what of those repulsive anti-social incel types and find out how old their father was when he was conceived. Was the father late teens? early to mid 20s? never. You'll find the father is always at least in their 30s.

In fact this is basically a guarantee. You find someone with autism and check the ages of their parents and you'll almost certainly find that at least one parent is older than 30. Young (healthy) people are significantly less likely to have retarded kids.

>>76435234 (OP)
>do normie women actually know
Stopped reading there. No, they do not know

>>76435234 (OP)
No, my 29 year old sister is in perimenopause and freaking the fuck out because she always wanted kids. Has broken up with 4 decent guys now and seems to be scrounging to find "prince charming" but that ain't gonna happen because high value men are seeking under 24 at most. They only think to research it when they're already at the wall or past it.

>>76453056
>Interesting OP paternal age is never talked about either. Did you know that advanced paternal age is autism. Bet you didn't huh?
>Seriously. Find a person with "autism", you know, what of those repulsive anti-social incel types and find out how old their father was when he was conceived. Was the father late teens? early to mid 20s? never. You'll find the father is always at least in their 30s.
lol roasie is coping again, this is completely made up.

>>76435234 (OP)
>I'm a male and was genuinely in the dark until I stumbled across /r9k/
I'm sure your life has improved dramatically

>>76441664
Ya think being religious for a woman is a green flag, but in reality it's a red flag. Women can't be religious, they're simply indoctrinated. There is no natural inclination towards theology in women, even the saints are deeply emotional motherly figures, never truth seekers.
And at 30, single, with 3 previous partners, she surely isn't an emotional motherly figure. Figure this out for yourself idiot and don't get caught in the propaganda

>>76453420
> Ya think being religious for a woman is a green flag, but in reality it's a red flag. Women can't be religious
Did you come from Reddit?

>>76453038
>>76453014
>>76451665
Sounds great in theory but you're not going to get a woman who already lost respect for you to be open to the ideas, at least not with you, kek. Also once you have kids the "intimacy" part kind of becomes less important

Mother to 2 so I'll answer.

>Do normie women actually know the science between maternal age and fertility or are they in the dark?

We know, most don't care or don't plan to have children. The majority of my friends do not have kids, and are not married. The dream of marriage died somewhere between millenials and GenZ, and what you see on social media is not necessarily true in person. For example, on TikTok you'll see many women whining about being single mothers, but in person I only know a handful who became single mothers due to divorce, and that's family, not friends. People just don't care to build a family anymore.

>I just assumed women having children in their 40s was as healthy as having them as a teenager.

Women talk about this ALL THE TIME. Most decide around 16-18 whether it's for them or not, and they'll either stick to it or change their mind. My more maternal friends all had kids before me. Those that hated the thought of marriage or motherhood did not. I did not want kids as a teenager, but after 7 years of being happily married, and paying of all debts I changed my mind.

>Like are all the women who suddenly try to have kids in their 30s and 40s blind to the risks, or are they just reckless and irresponsible?

Most OB's will tell you that late 20s is healthy. I was almost 30 with my first and had no issues. Second baby early 30s, still no issues.

>I went about showing them studies showing it's late teenage and early twenties and the AI reverted to basically saying "lol yeah, you're right to call me out, but I didn't want to promote teen pregnancy".

AI is trained by humans following specific guidelines set by a client who hires a 3rd party company that provides feedback on responses. Also, late 20s is not bad at all, and while teenagers will recover faster, they can have many more complications due to physical immaturity. If you want a healthy baby, younger can be better. You want the mom to live? She needs to be more mature.

>>76453583
>they can have many more complications due to physical immaturity
How young are we talking about here?

At 16 most girls have reached their adult height, hips are also quite wide but will continue to develop too age 18. Even after 18 the hip will continue to widen very slowly compared to previous years but then reverse become smaller at about age 50-60.

>Most OB's will tell you that late 20s is healthy. I was almost 30 with my first and had no issues. Second baby early 30s, still no issues.
Question, are you statistically larger then other women? Im not talking about body fat but height and overal size, larger hip etc. IIRC adult women that are on the small side (short, small hip, small body size) tend to have more problems then larger adult women when it comes to child birth statistically speaking.

>>76435234 (OP)
>Do women know