Thread 76438641

what the fuck is his problem with kettlebells?

>>76438641 (OP)
fitness youtuber has no relevant and useful content to provide but wants to keep making money
so fitness youtuber makes up stupid shit to keep making money
seems like 250k retards fell for the fitness influencers money making scheme

This is the guy who said drinking pepsi okay as long as you don't consume too many calories. He completely ignores the shit ingredients that damage the body. So him talking shit about kettlebells makes me realize his knowledge is 1975 text book.

>>76438641 (OP)
kettlebells are amazing for building strength and conditioning.

>>76438641 (OP)
Kettlebells honestly do not help with anything other than kettlebell shit. It definitely didn't help my time with running a mile, it doesn't help with any of my lifts, it doesnt help with my flexibility, I would say its only good for a warmup. It might be good for dyels who are just starting but definitely not for anyone who is serious about improving some aspect of fitness.

>>76438641 (OP)
>find thing
>DON'T DO THIS
>DO THIS
>repeat for 800 videos
Youtube grifter life.

>>76438782
Routine and weights?

He's jewish.

>>76438641 (OP)
he's a bodybuilder and kettlebells aren't good for feeding larger and larger numbers of cannibals from the meat on your frame, because it's not a simple movement isolated to a few muscles that be trained with progressive overload.
Kettlebells are really good for everything else that people want, but not that, and that's his thing.

>>76438782
Most dumbbell lifts can be done with a kettlebell. Are you really trying to tell me You somehow build less muscles when doing kettlebell rows vs dumbbell?

Repeat after me:
The muscle doesn't care about what you're holding in your hands. The muscle only knows weight.

Who cares. You couldn’t pay me to listen to this guy.

>>76438641 (OP)
So what is the deal with kettlebells? I havent trained with them myself, but whenever I see them mentioned here, its a very divided opinion

"science based" taken to its logical conclusion. he can't see the wood for the trees

>Today’s breakfast is decaf coffee, @geniusshot, and @legendaryfoods protein pastries! P60 C25 F15

>>76438858
You can do a bunch of really goated compound lifts with them but people pick them up once and find them too awkward to hold so they say they're shit.

I think also crossfit kinda gives them a bad rep because, well, crossfit...

If I could only pick one weight to use, it would be kettlebells. Lookup anyone online who shills kettlebells and they're all fucking ripped.

>>76438762
I like to let it smack me in the nuts gently when it comes back down

>>76438855
you're clearing up a confusion that nobody has. There are "kettlebell exercises" like the Russian swing or the Turkish get-up, and you can do those with other weights (anything for TGU, clubs more easily than dumbbess for swings), but it's the exercises that are the issue.
>>76438858
Kettlebells are a bit of an attractive nuisance: get this one thing, in lighter weights, and you don't need a lot of equipment or a gym or a trainer. That's very appealing to someone just starting out. But the movements are subtler and more dangerous, and anywhere you look you'll find people subtly fucking up with kettlebells instead of benefiting as much from them. What appears as a shortcut to the same end is really an alternative to a different end, and one that's harder to get help with.

>>76438891
what compound movements do you do with kettlebels, and how many reps can you do until failure?

>>76438641 (OP)
Kettlebells are GOATED for endurance and conditioning, they pretty much obsoletes dumbbells especially if you're going for minimalism too.
They were never a tool for raw strength, which I believe is what the bald roidtranny powertard is complaining about, I am not giving it a click.
(They can be used for some strength if you buy them heavy enough, but they can't substitute the completeness of a barbell deadlift)

Kettlebells are insignificant stimulus unless you have very heavy kettlebells, which end up being dangerous and unwieldy. Not watching Mikeslop but I'm assuming that's what he is going to say and he is correct.

>>76438876
Those protein shots are such a scam. Like 10g of protein sticks to the sides of the container and you have to rinse it out and drink it or all your gainz are stolen.

>>76438876
These things are 3x more expensive per serving than Greek Yogurt, for the same amount of protein.

>>76438893
kettleBALL eeeheheheheheeeheheeeee

>>76439184
i hate how they slap "high protein" on everything now. it's the new gluten free.

>>76438641 (OP)
For the 474674th time. If you want to look like him, follow his advice. If you dont want to look like an overgrown prepubescent troll then dont listen to him
It's extremely simple

>>76438898
>>76438891
They're also great if you want to train OLY lifts as a beginner, requires slightly less mobility than a bar but alas you learn the pattern. Apparently they can help your deadlift but i have to experiment with that myself to attest or not

>>76438641 (OP)
Having watched the video, he's looking at things strictly from a hypertrophy/strength perspective
And fwiw, from that perspective he's correct - kettlebell swings won't get you big nor strong, neither will bosu balls, and while heavy carries will blow up your traps, there are exercises with better RoI
It does however ignore other legitimate reasons to do these things, chiefly general athleticism

>>76438855
>swinging a weight makes you strong
k

I asked ChatGPT who would win in a fight.

A person who strictly works out with kettlebells, or a person who strictly does traditional barbell training.

GPT said without a doubt the kettlebell person who would in a fist fight. Think about that for a moment /fit/

>>76439344
>hypertrophy
hypertrophy is literally low weight high volume
nobody in their right mind use barbells for hypertrophy, they use machines or dumbbells
kettlebells are pretty much a better dumbbell, so it doesn't make sense to think it is bad for hypertrophy

>>76438641 (OP)
Isn't he a Jew?
I don't listen to anything jews say.

>>76438893
GENTLY!?!?!

Are you some kind of pussy!?!?!?!?

>>76439981
ChatGPT also thinks it is morally more justifiable to let humanity die then to say a racist word.

>>76438858
>So what is the deal with kettlebells?

>>76438855
The muscle doesn't care about what you're holding in your hands. The muscle only knows weight

>>76438782
>mfw he doesnt swing around his grocery bags

>>76438829
No, he doesn't have a hook nose

>>76438960
>Kettlebells are insignificant stimulus
Stimulus for what? For size, yeah you'd need monster bells. But the systemic stimulus of doing snatches for time are good for general fitness and longevity. The neurological stimulus of cross plane movements from any sort of swingy thing, be it bells, sandbags, clubs/maces, or rope flow shit is legitimately good for your brain.
A good program should include all the stimulus you can: for muscles, soft tissues, cardio/metabolic, motor/neurological.

Fitness culture is heavily skewed towards hypertrophy at the expense of mobility, conditioning, endurance and overall physical wellbeing.

>>76438858
I like training with heavy kettlebells but I have different goals than most bodybuilders. I would not recommend trying to replace barbells with them but I would recommend them to anyone looking for an extremely time and space efficient way to supplement a calisthenics-tier workout program.

>>76441975
monster kettlebells are for people who wants to treat kettlebells like a powerlifting tool
unless by "size" you meant becoming a powerlard
hypertrophy is the other way around

>>76438876
dogshit breakfast

>>76438940
Not the same anon but here's my take.

Don't go to failure with kettlebell, that's not the main purpose of them. They're for strength endurance (farmers/labors working ALL day type shit). Picking up the weight for 5/10/30 minutes WITHOUT putting it down. The average DYEL only needs to get up to 40lbs for swings for 10mins to 30min and they'll be pretty stronk by the end of the year (do volume cycles).

Great compounds are:
-TGU and TGD
-Clean to squat
-Snatch
Adv Bonus: Monsterlifts
https://youtu.be/eHdjJExPMW0?feature=shared

Biggest issues most have with kettlebells is that it's a skill.
They:
1. Don't learn the rack position correctly(pic related)
2. Slam their forearms on cleans/snatches
3. Don't keep their elbows close the their body on recycles

>>76442019
This.

>>76438762
Kettlebells do zero for strength and conditioning. Kettlebell athletes run and lift barbells for their GPP
>>76438782
>Kettlebells honestly do not help with anything other than kettlebell shit.
correct
>>76439344
>It does however ignore other legitimate reasons to do these things, chiefly general athleticism
LMAO, kettlebell athletes run and lift barbells for their athleticism
>>76441975
>But the systemic stimulus of doing snatches for time are good for general fitness
WTF is general fitness and how do you measure it?
>and longevity
>source: my ass
>>76438876
Pavel Tsatsouline is the original science based fag

>>76442781
>anti kettlebell schizo who never touched a weight is here
you are late, where have you been?

>>76442798
I did 10 000 swings with 32 kg, can do 100 non stop swings in 2:45 with 32 kg, OHP 32 kg for 5 reps, did various online KB programs including The Wolf with double 24 kg. What are your achievements?

>>76442403
Why not just do yardwork then

>>76438641 (OP)
This perverted goblin can't even wipe his own ass. He should concern himself less with hypertrophy and more with general mobility and fitness.

>>76438782
Kettlebell swings make my back don't hurt

>>76438728
This.

Bodybuilding is so fucking simple that 50 years ago even the dumbest most retarded meatheads imaginable easily understood that you are just lifting fucking weights and the more you put in the more you get out.

These grifters are retarded with their never ending needlessly complicated bullshit, but its a filter test anyway that weeds out retards who spend 3 hours a day scrolling fitness shorts on youtube instead of going to the gym.

Only problem is now you have a bunch of overconfident dyel retards that think they're fitness experts telling everyone "the rules" of lifting despite looking like they've never stepped foot in a gym.

I think these kinds of videos lead to alot of limiting belief systems that end up stunting all growth and progress because
>omg I dont use kettlebells I saw the video that said they're bad
>don't do cardio either read about how its bad for gains
>also i dont touch cables or any machines, I learnt they are bad from youtube
>rest is important, I did my one set to failure, now it's time for my 1 week off to rest, rest and recovery is the most important aspect of training, you actually make bigger gains by not working out!!!

Consume enough of these retarded fitness slop videos and you'll end up believing everything you do in the gym is bad and wrong, the more you "learn" the more close minded you become and you just end up putting limitations on what you can actually do.

>>76438641 (OP)
The kb /fit/ schizo will hunt him down (for the best)

I really, really want to see mike isratael's feet
I bet they're horrifically clawed, malformed, twisted
Like a velociraptor's
Has anybody ever caught a glimpse of his feet

>>76442849
This. Swing + long cycle is good cardio for me and my fucked ankles. I remember how good my conditioning was without trying from growing up on a farm, and kettlebells fill that "working without working out" void I had in my life.

>>76443542
Yeah I just think it's fun to use heavy ones. It doesn't even feel like a workout because I'm essentially just playing around with a giant hunk of iron.

>>76442906
No it wasn't. Bodybuilders were just as autistic

>>76438641 (OP)
I don't get why anyone would listen to him, his only goal was to be a successful bodybuilder and he failed at every single step on the way. Only managed to destroy his body.

>>76442781
>Pavel Tsatsouline is the original science based fag
But anon, its secret soviet science.

>>76443578
I agree but at the same time hes not wrong. Anyone advocating for kettlebells dont really stick with it cause everyone eventually figures out it doesnt really help with anything other than cardio past a certain point.

>>76442906
Too true. I've been doing a dive into 1940s-60s training. Dudes got strong and aesthetic in those days, along with being generally athletic and healthy. Its literally
>weights 3x week
>running 3x week
>play sports/physical activities
>sleep 8 hours
>eat junk food
>get a life ie dont become obsessed with training

>>76443597
Like who? Have you actually seen any of those autistic old bodybuilding videos of either Arnold or Platz getting really freaky describing everything?

>>76443582
Say what you want about him, I like his PttP, especially the larger philosophy behind it. At the time, it was peak bro splits. People spending 2 hours a day in the gym, crushing a body part, and not really seeing any gains, hypertrophy or strength, unless they juiced like a maniac. Enter Pavel with this
>deadlift 2x5
>press 2x5
>3-5 min between sets
>3-5 days a week
>Become strong, get out of the gym, take up sports, be useful in your community, get a life, dont be a gymcel etc.

>>76443618
how are you getting any stimulus with kettlebell deadlifts?

>>76443602
Not sure what you are trying to say, but this is pre-arnold and platz. More from the Grimek, Park, Reeves, and Hoffman era.

>>76443637
hes not. If dyels aren't getting huge doing 225lb deadlifts, these morons arent getting any bigger doing a 90lb kettlebell deadlift

>>76443637
Sorry, I should have stated that its a barbell program.

>>76443646
>Not sure what you are trying to say
Im saying times have not changed. People were just as autistic as today's bodybuilders as they were in the past.

>>76443661
Oh, I see what you are say, and i kina agree and disagree. In the past, there seems to have been a more general idea of how people should train, which was quite consistent from pros to normies. Although, people did obsess over health magazines just like they do about youtube fitness. There was some experimentation, but also solid principles. I think the autism came about once steroid usage really took off, and people could train in ridiculous manners and still see massive gains.

>>76439232
>train OLY lifts as a beginner
No.
>Apparently they can help your deadlift
See above

>>76442818
the post that killed the kettlecuck

>>76442818
Funny you mention that, I do a lot of yardwork and club/mace work has made the yardwork significantly easier because it trains rotational patterns I need with an axe, bush axe, pickaxe, hoe, etc. I had to remove some roots from near my foundation and after training with levers like that it was a lot easier

>>76438641 (OP)
His content is 100% focused on bodybuilding exclusive information. If you care about being able to walk up a flight of stairs without being out of breath, his videos aren't for you.

>>76443542
Swing and long cycle are not cardio

>>76445057
He is BJJ black belt, I'm sure he can outrun you

>>76438855
>The muscle only knows weight.
And angle. Kettlebells have completely different shape to hold in diferent agles. I don't say it's better or worse but definitely not the same, you can feel it if you do a movement with dumbbell and after with kettebell

>>76438641 (OP)
Because he's talking from the bb/hypertrophy perspective, typical kettlebell exercises are largely useless for that, they're only useful for hypertrophy if it's more convenient to hold a kettlebell instead of a dumbbell. He's not against kettlebells for kettlebell sport or some other shit like crossfit.
>>76441449
He's a Russian Jew who moved to the US when he's like 8 or something. His surname is literally Israetel or Изpaитeль in Russian, it literally mean god warrior or some shit.

>>76446133
This is true. Weight for weight kettlebells will usually feel "heavier" than dumbbells.

>>76446118
coulda fooled me

>>76438729
His diet advice is consistently shit. He says coffee bad and US McDonalds french fries with 20+ chemical ingredients are fine compared with UK french fries whose only ingredients are potato, oil and salt.

>>76446122
uh oh, we have a DR MIKE ISRAEL fanboi in the thread

>>76446817
aren't fries in the UK cooked in animal fat which is really really fucking bad?

>>76446822
No, they use vegetable oil.

Also "animal fat is really really fucking bad" is a retarded blanket statement to make.

>>76446821
Kettlebells are just shit

>>76438641 (OP)
what did he mean by this?

>>76438876
>$32 for a 10 pack
>only 20 grams of protein
Seems like a scam. Might as well just stick to proton powder. Much cheaper. Worst case it's $2 for 30 servings of 28 grams of protein instead of $3.20 for only 20 grams.

>>76446118
>do exercise for x-amount of time over 10 mins
>not cardio
make it make sense

>>76438729
>extremely mediocre BB "career"
>PhD but knows fucking nothing

The guy is such a fucking scam and disgrace to anyone who studied kinesiology.

>>76449327
I've crossed swords with that anon before, I believe he's Russian. My memory isn't perfect but I think the gist of it is that the benefits from whole body LISS, specifically to VO2Max, require more time and alternating tension/relaxation of alternate limbs (think of how you pump your arms when running, and the example he gave was with tennis). By that metric long cycle doesn't do that and it's not in the zone for HIIT.
I don't know if I buy it since 10 minutes of just hand to hand swings or 10 minutes of alternating snatch seems like it does well for me, but that's the reasoning I was presented, so it did in fact seem like a formed opinion and not a dumbass troll.

>>76438641 (OP)

Almost everything kettle bells can do is just done better by weights. There is some benefit for athletes if the swing works for their sports motions.

>soda is fine
>porn is fine
>kettlebells are bad
>muh PhD
I’ll trust every Olympic wrestler, almost all of whom use kettlebells, over the word of “Doctor” Israel

>>76438891
If you could reduce Kb training to two exercises, which would be it?

>>76451010
For what purpose?

>>76438641 (OP)
I generally like Mike when it comes to bodybuilding advice, but he doesn't seem to understand that not everyone is working out purely for hypertrophy.

>>76451010
kettlebell snatch and rack position bulgarian split squats

>>76446122
He got it from online dojo remotely with few mouse clicks just like his degree in "sports sciences"

>>76451063
Even if you are talking about strength or cardio, kettlebell still wouldn't be the best. Swimming or jump rope would be better for cardio. Barbell training would be better for strength. I honestly have no idea where kettlebell fits other than trying to do some kind of minimal gym equipment setup.

This man is a masochist.

>>76451104
Forgot to click the masochist's post.

Chaptcha started with BAKA lol

>>76451147
Have you ever even tried kettlebell swings? I can tell you haven't because they're absolutely fucking brutal.

>>76451025
ideally for everything: 2 for conditioning, 2 for strength and 2 for hypertrophy

>>76451165
>I can tell you haven't because they're absolutely fucking brutal.
Anon, literally anything is absolutely fucking brutal if you increase the volume or intensity high enough. That shouldn't be the only reason you do something though.

>>76451156
perhaps, I was just trying to think of 2 movements that hit as many muscles as possible
maybe heavy clean and jerk would be better than snatch though

he's a totally fraudulent "black belt" in jiujitsu, he can't roll for shit

>>76438729
/fit/ only drinks doctor pepper

>>76438641 (OP)
If you want to actually lift weights, then do so.
Kettle bells are half a second of explosive movement followed by momentum and looking queer, get a fucking clue.

>>76452457
What do you think Olympic weightlifting is?

Correct rack/clean finish position

>>76452931
The same stupid thing?

>>76438641 (OP)
I love this buffed jew in some podcasts, but his channel is trash. He is creating drama out of nothing to get views.

>>76453707
I love beveled comp bells