Thread 76445553

whats harder to achieve the ideal male physique or the female one?

>>76445553 (OP)
Looks like both of these are achieved by just not eating very much, very unimpressive actually.

>>76445553 (OP)
The dude on the left is pretty average aside from his beautiful ass face.

>>76445553 (OP)
Both are pretty hard, but if your ideal male physique is JB, then goodluck brother lmao

>>76445553 (OP)
it looks like a model head on a nerd body

>>76445571
His face looks shit

>>76445553 (OP)
The ideal female physique is being sub 20% bf

also, the ideal male physique is brad pitt in 1999

Just fucking lol

>>76445557
good morning I hate women

>>76445590
barrett looks weird now i agree

but his face back then was a giga pentamog

he has insane facial ratios, insane coloring + height + JBW

he would even mog gigachads like lachowski, hexum or gandy if he would be taller

>>76445607
Man Botox did him dirty, he looked 10/10 in this photo, shame that so many people fall victim to it.

>>76445607
I'm inclined to say he's at best high-mid on looks... but maybe he just looks too much like my autistic ex-girlfriend.

>>76445637
You know what you should do, get a hold of
Tommy Hilfiger and tell him not to hire him again.

>>76445553 (OP)
How can you make money when you are good looking for both sexes? Or only women can make a living with their good looks?
>what is hardest
Women. Women body is a mess. Not as strong, more prone to diseases and getting sick, worse recovery, they bleed once a month, cramps, smelly, they can't pee standing up. Being a man is better even though it means that life and making money is harder for us.

>>76445700
>How can you make money when you are good looking for both sexes? Or only women can make a living with their good looks?
Yeah, but you gotta be shredded too. Face alone won't cut it unless you're a genetic freak thats a 10/10.
Get on TikTok and Insta, post thirst traps in BookTok/BikeTok/CookTok/etc for bored horny moms and college girls.
Throw in some half-assed fitness content so it looks like you're not a total coomer baiter.
Reply to every chick like you're half-interested and half-brain damaged. They eat that shit up.
My buddy's like a 7.5/10 in the face, but he looks like a Greek statue and he's pulling in decent money.
Sponsors, brand deals, and his DMs look like OnlyFans applications.
Just gotta sell the illusion. Women want to be thirsted for. Give them what they want.
Profit.

>>76445553 (OP)
The male. But those Auschwitz's runaways are not ideal.

>>76445607
brutal bogging

>>76445700
Couldn't have put it any better myself.

>>76445553 (OP)
>whats harder to achieve the ideal male physique or the female one?
purely physique speaking?

male is definitely easier
females are much more genetics dependent

other of the typical manlet whining
as male you can easily compensate for most "bad" features by having a low BF% and building up muscles in the right places

as women you'll most likely look shit with super low BF%
and with no way to compensate, because being overly muscly also doesn't look good / feminine

>>76445754
How many followers does he have?

>>76445557
This is supposed to be a woman hate image but that reality is created by men, not women. Men are the ones who set their standards in women and who choose to fuck anything that moves.

Women simply took advantage of that, because why wouldn't you? All the seething incels posting pics like this would do the exact same thing in their situation. This is nothing but jealousy and bitter resentment.

And then of course after you apply these "standards" (aka next to none) you get into relationships with awful women. Fucking idiot.

>>76445755
Its funny, looking back eight years ago. I was treated like shit being fat, then still looked down as rail thin and arguably treated worse than fat. I got fit, filled out. Night and difference, everybody is kind asf to you.

You definitely have it harder as a man. Fat men are hated, and skinny men are seen as weak and frail.

>>76446434
>This is supposed to be a woman hate image
it's not, really
>Men are the ones who set their standards
men are supposed to make the move while women pick, men compete with each other for pussy, this leads to the creation of "standards"
if you are not good enough then someone else takes your spot, it's very simple and it works the same way in pretty much any other domain of life including dating
>All the seething incels posting pics like this would do the exact same thing in their situation.
you totally missed the point

>>76445553 (OP)
Male physique is preselected b
>>76445607
He mogs Chico by virtue of having blue eyes and a hairline

>>76445557
That info graphic is wrong af. I got married while being overweight and antisocial.

>>76446715
it's not an infographic, it's simply a meme
>I got married while being overweight and antisocial.
your personal anecdotal experience is not an argument

who’s that gay guy

>>76446715
It doesn't count if you marry the landwhale, anon.

>>76445553 (OP)
>ideal

The "ideal" female physique is anorexia with 0% muscle. Absolutely not ideal.

The ideal female physique is 100% genetics.

>can get any pussy he wants
>chooses to be with a man
Men really are superior

Definitely female.

The "dont be a landwhale" graphic really nails it, in the sense that women can gets shit tons of male attention and look hot in a bikini just by not being fat. Breast implants can make a tragically flat girl look buxom (she doesn't have to go clownishly large) and modest amounts of exercise can give most women very shapely looking legs. Especially when young, it should be very easy for women to look "hot". Even women who have "unfortunate" body types can look hot to the large swaths of men who prefer bottom heavy or pear shaped physiques. Height is irrelevant to hot for women. Only gross, bony sticks and fridge/apple physiques are fucked.

For men to look "hot" really requires a confluence of uncontrollable genetic factors (limb lengths, insertions), the ability to get 12% or leaner (zero women find fatty, jiggly male bodies "hot" - unlike men where a significant minority find jiggly parts hotter - PLUS the time and resources to build at least otter levels of muscle. And height - short dues just aren't going to be able to look "hot."

>>76446434
Simp's law:
Whenever there is a statement which implies (in any manner) that women are at fault for something, there will be at least one man defending said deleterious thing and redirecting the blame towards his fellow man.

>>76446417
almost 600

>>76448114
nah during my fatty career i've boinked women who liked my body more than i was comfortable with. it's rare but it's documented in the literature too. on AVERAGE women will find your body somewhere between neutral or gross depending on how fat you are though.

also 12% is near the lower bound of what is widely considered attractive. it's pretty much ideal but go down 4 percent and now you're starting to look less appealing per the data, comparable to men above 20% bf

>>76445553 (OP)
I'd say male one. You simply have to do more and work harder.

Peak female body is like almost entirely dependent on her having a normal diet, not drinking all the time and overeating.
She can do some very basic things at the gym like split squats and shit, work her core and back a bit and end up looking stunning.

>inb4 women have it harder because their looks are more dependent on genetics
So are men's. You have balding genes, tough luck, unattractive face, tough luck, bad frame, tough luck, short stature, tough luck.
For men you have to have a good roll on genetics + put in a lot of work to be considered sexually attractive on primal level.

>>76445557
Funny thing is the right side doesn't need any text at all

>>76448347
>her having a normal diet
human females are not supposed to look like this biologically though, the body WILL try to put on weight and you WILL have to combat that

>>76445553 (OP)

You see the ideal female physique a LOT more often than the ideal male especially in places where people aren't fat fucks like America.

>>76445607
...who cares? why do you have pictures of pretty boy men saved in your computer? Are you gay? This is not normal behavior.
Bet you take finasteride too

>>76445553 (OP)
It's the same dude, there're no female on the pic

Naturally:
Men have a much worse time

Drugs:
Men have it much easier. If you aren't going for bodybuilder status a few cycles will sort you out.

Surgery:
Women have it easier. Fake tits can be passable at this point, very few people have cared in the first place. BBLs are getting super common. Not that a lot of men try going under the knife, but the oil stuff is super weird, ab implants get called out almost immediately and most male botox rarely works out.

>>76448411

I personally know plenty women that are really attractive, but have never even set foot in the gym. Almost all of them don't even count calories or plan their meals, they just eat whatever when they are hungry, they just don't overstuff themselves.
For women it really is "just don't be fat". And the "don't be fat" is used pretty loosely. To be considered fat universally by everyone you have to be pretty much obese. Most men like women a little bit thick around thighs and ass and titties, so you have wiggle room.

For men the requirements to be considered hot are far stricter and take structured, strict approach to achieve.

>>76445553 (OP)
A man's ideal body is achieved through strict/structured approach combined with hard work and consistency, it requires a lot of discipline and willpower, hence why it's so rare.
Attractive woman's ideal body is achieved through little bit of self control and awareness when it comes to food combined with moderate level of activity in everyday life (light cardio, walks, basic home workouts, bodyweight stuff). They can completely neglect their upper body and focus entirely on their legs and ass. If a man does the same he is laughed at about skipping leg day even if he is otherwise attractive and fit.

>>76448300
Im not fighting or disagreeing with you, but just looking to clarify a few points:
1) are you saying that more women find men with bodies over 20% bodyfat "hotter" than men with 12%? (agreed that more shredded physiques - 4% - do tend to be less attractive to women)

Also - lets be clear: we are talking about idelaized physiques for looking sexy - i.e. short term sex partners, not the more sustrainable long term beta simp provider model, correct? Because women will make different choices depending on the context - for one night stands, getting pounded out on vacation, its the ultra rare, lean (c. 12%), muscular physiques. For choosing a boyfriend/husband/father, they might be willing to choose the fatter (20% plus) types. But its not the same job.

Finally, thats cool that women liked your fat body, but youre probably some combo of really good looking, fun/funny, great personality. All of which is great for you, and very important for long term success. But its not about the body. The only body type that can get away with higher levels of jiggly fat are the real muscular but still v shaped torso of off season bodybuilders, popwerlifters and storongmen - some women may be turned on by the sheer size and strngth/bulk of that hyper masculine type. But its not the fat thats turnign them on, its the muscle.

>>76448347
You are correct. However, I will say this: Im an old fuck - a lot of female attractivenss is rooted in youth/fertility. Very few young women (early 20s) who arent deformed/tatted/obese/blue hair arent sexy AF. Female hotness is mostly about youth/fertility and health. The genetics are also important, but great genes that age poorly are not sexy.

>>76445553 (OP)
>men
Dont be fat, be tall, be handsome
>women
Dont be fat

Women have it easy bros

>>76448294(not me)
>>76446417
Not that many, maybe 70-80k followers on Instagram and another 100k on TikTok

>>76445553 (OP)
Both are mostly genetics and not overeating

>>76445607
I dont agree. He looks uncanny.

>>76445798
great points, but you forgot that facial structure is even more important for males` perceived attractiveness than it is for females`. accounting for that makes female easier

>>76446715
Nice larp incel
>>76446434
You're a pathetic fucking loser and the reason why women have such an entitlement

>>76445754
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Sounds worse than prostitution desu

>>76451385
we are all whores anon. This is prostitution.

There are always different levels. Being that dom bitch that gets to spend 2 hours in the gym working out and not actually touching anyone seems like a good gig.

>>76445557
All of the points on the left can be compensated by something else..

>>76451353
have sex friend

>>76448596
>Drugs:
>Men have it much easier
are you fucking retarded? Women have way less sides from gear like var. Men have way more hormonal concerns.

Maybe im just a lazy bastard but honestly i really wouldn't want to trade. Once you get the ball rolling as a man, at least that shit is somewhat easy to maintain.

Women have a lot of spinning plates shit they have to do every single day. Putting on makeup, doing your hair, selecting clothes. At least I can just shower whenever and not worry about fucking up my hair, and having to dry it. I can wear the same tshirt and buzzcut and nobody bats an eye.

If I had to spend whatever time each and every day putting on makeup and then removing it at the end of the day i might actually go insane.

>>76451385
It is, but that’s just what you gotta do if you wanna make money showing off your face and body on TikTok and Insta as a guy. His DMs are a warzone: 60% fat chicks, 20% wine-soaked single moms, 15% gay dudes, 4% actually decent girls, and like 1% OF thots and IG girls pretending they wanna “collab".

>>76451904
context anon. Men's hearts will explode, they get the rage, they get the entire shit sandwich. They can still look good and can do it easier than any female. A 6/10 male can run a few cycles and be a 8/10 male, females, not many drugs to fix those love handles or be able to spot grow muscle at a rate that is going to change your waist to hip ratio. Yea, you can hit that new GLP-1 that isn't on the market that I can't remember the name of, but you still have to know what the fuck you are doing. Female take drugs, they get bigger, not more necessary attractive. If males gets bigger nobody gives a fuck if they overdeveloped their calves.

>>76445590
How dare you talk about the first lady like that!

Female is fucking easy mode.

That's the same person but trooned out, isn't it?

>>76445553 (OP)
Incels will seethe, but women have it way harder. Women have less muscle mass, and therefore have less caloric requirements to maintain their body. But a juicy burger or a scoop of ice cream has the same number of calories regardless of whether you're male or female.

>>76452265
Regardless, men and women are both lacking optimal muscle mass on average; usually they're just fatter than the OP pics but le s0iyance says you should really aim for a BMI of 25 with 10% body fat.

>>76445700
>being a woman is hard because you are weak
This isn’t actually true. Men were built to hunt and fight, they don’t do this anymore and any hunting or fighting today is mimicry and surrogacy.
Women were built to have kids and seduce men. They do this all the time and it’s 100% real. They don’t do it as a fun pastime for them it’s as real as it was in the Mesolithic.
Women have men to take care of them.
Women’s life is much easier. It’s pathetic because they’re weak, but they have undeniably easier lives.

>>76445553 (OP)
Male physique is harder to achieve. For women, be young. That’s it. They don’t need anything else.
Male physique needs to fight and labor. Female physique needs to have kids and seduce a man. They can do this with zero effort.
>but it’s not ideal
It is ideal to someone. While males have objective physical standards. Female physical standards are entirely determined by men.

>>76452265
>women can build a big ass with ice cream
How is this hard?

Men have to avoid ice cream to reach peak functionality.
Women get to eat ice cream to reach peak functionality.

>>76452880
By your logic all the fatties will have a big ass. But that's not true. Most of the fatties I see have no ass. A nice ass on a woman is usually genetic or the result of working out.