Thread 76449861

My doctor just prescribed me this against severe depression disorder and panic attacks.
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I've heard a ton of bad things here about SSRIs, but there's also a lot of genuine retard takes here, so that doesn't mean much.
On the other hand, severe weight gain and sexual dysfunction are very common with those, the latter even potentially being present after you stop taking it, which is a nightmare scenario.
Can I do permanent (brain) damage when I just try this stuff out for 6 weeks to see how it works on me?

Honestly dude, you're posting on /fit
you think you can get more brain damage?

>>76449864
SSRIs fucked a nigga up plenty of times

>>76449861 (OP)
I wouldn’t mess with SSRI’s but the anti depressants that work on adrenaline and dopamine look like they could actually help.

Anyone experience with these?

>>76449874
I tried wellbutrin made me throw shit and punch walls and just really agro and irritable, later I found out it can cause mania

>>76449874
psych here. I would be cautious with SSRIs as they are overprescribed and if the serotonin deficiency is a secondary effect of either mismanaged life/regime or some other underlying problem, they can do quite a lot of damage. The way I explain this to my patients if the serotonin is responsible for feeling of content and "okay here and now". If a person's life is fucked up and they cognitively/rationally know if but a chemical in their brain is telling their body and mind "you're okay here and now", it usually causes both cognitive dissonance that will produce distress and it won't really help the person do anything more or get better, especially without therapy to provide insight into how to get your life better.
SSRIs absolutely save lives and I have had patients who came alive after taking SSRI/SNRIs. I also had/have patients who have been medicated for years (something I don't advocate for) and their lives are still shit because they refuse to change fundamentals and are stuck in the endless cycle of shit life being lessened by drugs that make the life feel less shit whilst being rationally aware of their life being shit but misattributing the shitiness to some other aspect of their life.

>>76449861 (OP)
Are you going to therapy? Overall medication doesn't work as well if you're not in therapy. Find a psychotherapist that hasn't drank the kool aid yet and isn't a fucking brainwashed pig and work on yourself. Hope you get better, anon <3
Regarding the side effects, you won't gain weight out of nowhere, you might hold water but if you're not going to be getting uncontrollable appetite increases, you won't gain weight. You won't do permanent brain damage in 6 weeks, especially if you're young. Be wary of the behaviors you engage in and control them - if you start eating like a pig after SSRIs, it's not the pills frying your brain, it's your behaviour.

>>76449861 (OP)
>severe depression disorder and panic attacks.
Best medication for this is manning up and not being a fucking pussy. Zero side effects too

>>76449861 (OP)
Don't take that shit motherfucker

>>76450100
Listen to this guy, hes right. I got prescribed escitalopram and a bunch of benzos for a deep depression caused by isolation and loneliness. I realised the same thing this mind butcher is saying, it doesnt fix your problems and it fucks you up, you can take it to chill and clear your mind a bit. After some months i quitted everything and forced myself to be more social and get into doing stuff that keeps me busy, i broke the circle of isolation and desperation. If you feel you need them, ok, but just be aware they are not a forever solution

>>76450152
This is the correct prescription

>>76450100
>>76449861 (OP)
I had the run around on SSRIs and other meds. Citalopram exacerbated mood swings, escitalopram reduced them but really interfered with my ability to find words for things and to talk coherently (I don't think this was an expected side effect), memory was also screwed up. Still, better than mirtazapine and the fun I had on Prozac.
Trycyclics had the best effect on my moods but made me sleep 10-12 hours a day and screwed around with my heart rhythms, so I stopped the meds altogether. I didn't get better until I addressed the underlying issues with a therapist.
That said, I have friends who function perfectly well on SSRIs and are a mess without them, so...
I didn't find weight gain to be a problem on citalopram/escitalopram, if anything I lost weight a bit. I ran at the time and noticed my HRmax was down about 10bpm, but as I wasn't racing it wasn't a problem.
On that note - get out and get some sunshine (though IIRC be careful of this on SSRIs)

>permanent (brain) damage
no

Half the board is a anons pretending to be a pharmaceutical personal test subject. Start a mood log or whatever the fuck your doctor calls it. Record how you feel, record side effects, evaluate in 6 weeks.

protip: if you a recording you are happy, but know it is fake, you are are still recording you are happy.

Personally, I have been on all the drugs like this and have nearly every diagnosis. I am now clean and not going back, it was a mistake for me, but I had really shitty care.

>>76450152
>Zero side effects too
I laughed. Tell that to the guy having a melty in traffic holding up 100s of cars.

>>76450152
If it was that easy....
A friend of mine walked out in front of a train one morning after sending her husband off to work. I listened to the mayhem on the rail network on the travel updates driving into work that day and didn't find out it was her until lunchtime. The drugs failed her and the therapists couldn't reach her...

If they just prescribe you pills and there hasn't been any other advice like doing a workbook, talking to a behavioural therapist or lifestyle changes I wouldn't, your doc is lazy and I wouldn't trust their judgment

If you've already tried a shit tonne of stuff then go for it

>>76450284
>A friend of mine walked out in front of a train one morning after sending her husband off to work
Good riddance
Only pussies have depression, you control your life and therefore mood

>>76450326
Which variety of subhuman are you?

>>76450100
We need more docs like you. I was blindly put on Paxil when I was 12 and that caused suicidal ideation. Then came a litany of changing meds with no counseling. I finally got into a holistic program that helped with my issues in dealing with abuse that caused the depression/mania and I've been med free for years now. I always recommend at least CBT with any med add or change to address underlying issues to help alleviate and possibly prevent the cognitive dissonance issues you mentioned. Thank you for your good work.

>>76450344
Huh? Are you high on your depression drugs

>>76449861 (OP)
>severe depression disorder and panic attacks
You must be exceptionally frail.

>>76450344
I assume the edgy teenager type that has trouble not masturbating all weekend because he has no friends.

>>76449861 (OP)
>taking SSRI
>in Germany
did you talk to an "Psychiater" or "Psychologe"?
because the first one really overprescribe in Germany

there are cases where medication like yours work really, REALLY well
but often these make the situation no better or even worse (especially if you include side effects)

>>76450100
>Are you going to therapy?
OP is probably in Germany
so it's quite likely he got the prescription without any therapy
it's a really retarded thing they do here because there aren't enough therapy places

>>76450566
50s. I have been through this and recovered and seen others make it, still be in it or not manage it like my friend (she was in her 30s at the time). I know this because they are or were friends.
>>76450326 wannabee edgelord or just lacking compassion, an essential component of being considered human. IDK...

>>76450163
Mind butcher is a funny term to use :D Antidepressants don't fuck you up but anyone saying that people have to take them for longer periods of time is a liar. Many more people have psychogenic depression (depression caused by dysregulated personal life) and not biogenic depression. The only argument for reaching out for a lifetime of medication is biogenic depression. Most people need to get their life in order, something with which SSRIs can help. But not for years, but for months, maybe up to a year and even that I don't like.

>>76450172
Overall avoid any sort of benzo if you can. I'm sorry to hear that you're suffering so, anon, it has to be hard. Absolutely go out there and get some sunshine. In 99% of the cases, just doing the stereotypical "good person things" of going out, socializing, going outdoors, trying new things, having hobbies, talking to people, getting sunlight, moving your body, all those things work wonders and are the things I always try and push my patients towards, especially when I'm discussing medication with them and I strongly advise against medication without behavioural intervention. Good luck, anon <3

>>76450370
I'm sadly not a doctor, just a psychologist, but we need more psychiatrists with this outlook. Afaik there's no conspiracy to put as many people as we can on SSRIs (at least not in europe) but the combo if meds being popular, doctors overworked and hopeless and people looking for instant results, that's the situation. I'm glad you're med free, anon, that's a giant step and I respect you for that.

For anons looking to poke holes in my words by calling me a bluepilled shill on meds - I tried SSRI/SARI as a teenager/young adult. SARI helped with my sleep issues which resolved in 2 months, never took them again, and SSRIs did absolutely nothing for me. Post uni I tried medicating my ADHD, for the first time I believed that meds can actually help.

Good luck anons, if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

>>76450642
it was a response to your question, not an attack on yourself. I could be misunderstanding your tagging.

For the record age is a number. I met a similar edgelord who was 68 and still in that highschool midset. Some sad fucks never grow up. He was telling how I should get out there and fuck women because they are the most attractive at my age. He told me that he could easily score with 20 somethings, but they are just after his money so he doesn't bother.

I've tried escitalopram, sertraline and bupropion. The anhedonia was insane. It 'worked' since I wasn't feeling like a piece of shit most of the time, but that is mostly because I wasn't feeling anything at all, besides all I wanted was to sleep all the time.
After I stopped them, I tried psilocybin (2g of dried shrooms) for a few sessions, and I feel like they did more to me than any SSRI/NDRI ever did. Just go to a quiet room, put on some music and begin to reflect about your life, worked wonders for me.
I believe in what the other anon is saying here, you shouldn't take these kind of meds for a long period of time, it will make you a husk of a man.

>>76449861 (OP)
Not trolling this is just a personal anecdote.

>Be 14
>live with Dad
>After a few years of broke
> Dad buys nice new house
>Gets nice new car
>shitsgoingalright.jpg
>Doctor puts my dad on SSRI
>two weeks later it’s Christmas Eve
>Dad comes into my room
>Son I just tried to kill myself by swallowing a bottle of sleeping pills
>I call ambulance and spend Christmas in the ER as dear ole’ dad gets his stomach pumped
Turns out that whole “May Cause Suicidal Thoughts,” warning that comes with these is legitimate.

Already some good advice ITT but I have some experience with SSRI's so I'll give my 2c.

Like other people here are saying, the SSRI's are a short term solution. In order to alleviate and/or manage your mental health you need to do therapy and the normal stuff. Get a social life, get outside, exercise, eat well etc.. If you literally cannot function, if you cannot stay off your ass long enough to get your shit together, going on on SSRI's can be good for (in my opinion) 6-12 months. I've been on Effexor multiple times. It makes me feel less extremes of emotion; less pain, less joy. It did make getting out of bed and getting on with my life a lot easier.

The first month I start taking Effexor is always the worst. I'm actually more depressed than I usually am, and generally feel very distraught. If you're going to have suicidal ideation and other side effects it's going to be in the first month. but it will get better over time and after 4 weeks or so you'll be right as rain. Also, may be different with your meds, but I could not go off of mine cold turkey. If I did(along side the emotional issues) I'd get literal zaps in my entire body that were awful. When quitting I always had to 1/2 my dose little by little until I was off it.

>>76449861 (OP)
The weird thing about SSRIs is, that it either saves a shizoids life or completely ruins it.
Nothing inbetween.

>>76449861 (OP)
5mg? Can't be that severe, faggot

niggas be like
>fix my mental problems and actually come to terms with my brain and body?
>nty just give me pills pls!!

>>76453975
this, i got prescribed 25mg tablets when first going to a doctor
didnt do much besides making me feel nauseous tho

>>76449861 (OP)
SSRI are good medications if you are a woman. As a man, you'll lose your libido and that results in ED. Also there's a huge risk of nocebo because everyone and their mother on the internet believes in Post-SSRI Syndrome (the literature puts its existence, if it even exists at all, at one in a million).

>>76450631
>it's a really retarded thing they do here because there aren't enough therapy places
Psychatrists are a meme. They are supposed to replace female friends for women which obviously doesn't work for men.

>>76454001
Realistically human lives are rather short and we'll never find a solution (that purists like you will approve of anyway) so medication is as good as it gets.

>>76454138
the solution already exists retard
it's called sitting with yourself and decompartmentalizing instead of tapping out and half-assedly
>oh n-no I'm too messed up to be fixed I need drugs!

>>76454146
Wow anon you're so smart, you've got a solution for everything! Trump should hire you to fix the situation in Israel and Ukraine!

>>76454178
go ahead, explain why I'm wrong

>>76454203
a) your brain's chemnistry is genuinely fucked up and you'll never feel happy without pills
b) your life circumstances genuinely suck and you can't change them without year or even decade-spanning effort that you won't be able to muster since you're depressed due to your current circumstances
c) various mental illnesses that make it impossible for you to rationally ponder about your problems
d) lack of sleep and stress
Those four categories cover most people who are depressed. You can't help them and neither can they help themselves. This is where medication comes into play.

>>76454221
this all cope

>>76454223
I'm not taking SSRI because they make me feel even worse. But for most everyone else they work just fine.

>>76454229
everyone else fats and retarded whilst I am fit n smart

Make sure you are keeping a checklist of 'normal healthy things' so that you can tackle them first before trying drugs that doesnt tackle the root problem

>if you are abusing drugs (including alcohol) this can and DOES cause panic attacks. Binge drinking is the #1 panic attack causer in anxiety havers in my opinion. Dont lie to yourself if you drink, you have to quit
>If you have no social life this is critically important. It doesnt have to be a GF but you need acquantainces and friends that you can confide in and share laughs with and discuss your problems and goals. Meet weekly or even daily or make work friends
>diet/fitness/sleep no brainer /fit/

>>76454233
No, I just live with the pain.

>>76454234
>that doesnt tackle the root problem
What tackles the root problem outside of futuristic brain bio-engineering?

>>76449861 (OP)
>SSRIs
might as well take estrogen

>>76454253
The root problem is largely locked in. This whole "chemical imbalance" thing is made up by people because its too long and cumbersome to explain something like

>You likely got neglected as a baby. Maybe your mom drank or smoke, maybe you were malnourished, maybe you werent breastfed at all and used formula, maybe you were a C-section baby, maybe you were poorly socialised, or had narcissistic/sociopathic parents, maybe you were bullied, maybe you were raised in an authoritarian household, had helicopter parents, maybe you did a bad thing as a kid and the rumination ate you up instead of discussing it, maybe your emotions were invalidated as a kid, maybe... could keep going for ever

There are hundreds of variables and each of them can go wrong. And if they go wrong your brain worries and stresses and then your developing brain will develop with this trauma at the centre. You cant make this trauma go away. Its locked in.

The only thing you can do is cope. Most mentally ill people abuse drugs and alcohol and all this crap that makes their problems 100x worse.

>>76454253
>>76454261
Also tackling the root problem is making sure mentally ill parents dont fuck up their kids in the first place, condemning them to a lifetime of suffering. The mentally ill kids made as a result will go on to have kids that are also messed up and then its generational trauma.

>>76454261
Do you honestly think everything in this world works according to some magical properties of human consciousness or something?
There are many crippled people in this world, I'm sure you've met some in your rural village too, so is it really far-fetched to believe that people can be fucked up in the brain in ways that can't be fixed with some pep talk?

>>76454265
>so is it really far-fetched to believe that people can be fucked up in the brain in ways that can't be fixed with some pep talk?

Did you even read my post? My whole post is explaining that its locked in. You didnt read the post.

I also note that most people who have mental illness make their problems so much worse by their methods of coping

>>76454233
>I am fit n smart

>>76449861 (OP)
My experience is that it's Chink poison. The white race is being poisoned b this crap.