Thread 76469147

I'm deciding to pick one and stick with it but I'm not sure which one to pick

boxing I'd say

>>76469147 (OP)
Range training
Older style boxing if that's not an option or you think you can expect some honor from animals

>>76469147 (OP)
Americans are 100% convinced that all minorities are their physical superiors so they will always recommend guns. Which is ironic sicne we have seen in the past that Americans prefer complete suimission to aggressors rather than using wepons.

>>76469339
Minorities, mostly blacks and hispanics attack in groups or behind your back, so whites are pretty right to arm themselves.

>>76469147 (OP)
gunkata

>>76469166
This.
You can take on multiple people at once.

>>76469166
As a boxer I started kickboxing this week and a kick to the thigh by some kid nearly put me down. Striking arts with kicks absolutely destroy boxing.

How do striking styles compare if you've only done grappling?
t. greensboro ass grabber

>>76469147 (OP)
Gun > knife > wrestling > boxing.

>>76469147 (OP)
There is no real reason to train for self-defense. If you live in a poor area where you might get attacked, then you won't be able to afford classes anyway, and you have to make more money and move away.

>>76470131
>There is no real reason to train for self-defense.

This is the most retarded shit I've ever heard. I worked in a high class hotel at the centre of town and I still got into a fight with a drunk retard. A fight can happen anywhere, anytime, especially with all major western cities being flooded with blacks, indians and muslims.

>>76469147 (OP)
Boxing will keep you safe in ~90% of self defense scenarios. Get a real foundation in that, then maybe get to know your kicks with kickboxing, and some grapple work with something like wrestling or judo. I grew up with boxing and I plan on getting a refresher in it once I kick smoking, then get into kickboxing & judo because I’ve never utilized kicks & grapples but I’ve come to the understanding that utilizing those skills can take you a long way fighting against someone who knows what they’re doing. Seriously though, establish a base in boxing first and foremost.

>>76470145
>centre of town
Downtown in any city is not known for being safe and low crime. Move to a suburb and you have no risk at all.

>>76469390
Why do they do this? In my country gypsies do this so much, we even made up a name for this kind of assault "the gypsie fair fight"

>>76470230
My town's centre is a historical site and is regularly patrolled by cops. It's not a bar or night club venue.

>>76470265
I don't understand why you're arguing. You already proved my point because you got into a fight. Do you know how many fights I got into with drunk retards in a suburb? Zero.
The purpose of martial arts is just to feel like you're cool.

>>76470131
Situations where it is valuable:
- learning to breakfall is helpful literally whenever you fall over
- getting roughed up or fighting during a team sport
- violent people can turn up literally anywhere. especially when alcohol is involved
- you might go to prison, maybe because of a crazy woman falsely accusing you of something. maybe because of hate speech
- you might get attacked by a family member or a partner
- you might get robbed. maybe a mugging or your house getting burgled. staying in a nice neighbourhood doesn't change this
- if you have kids. grappling will teach you how to efficiently move your kid without hurting them
- if you work a job like cop, security, in a medical field. even a teacher
- moving someone who is unconscious
- contact sports

>>76470324
>- learning to breakfall is helpful literally whenever you fall over
You will 100% get more injuries doing martial arts than you ever will from falling over randomly.
>- getting roughed up or fighting during a team sport
Not common enough to justify training a martial art for 5 years.
>- violent people can turn up literally anywhere. especially when alcohol is involved
Self-defense is to avoid such situations, to de-escalate, to run away, and to use weapons as a last resort. Martial arts is literally at the bottom of the list.
>- you might go to prison, maybe because of a crazy woman falsely accusing you of something. maybe because of hate speech
Just stay to yourself and people won't fight you.
>- you might get attacked by a family member or a partner
So a family member attacks you, and your response is to knock them out or break their arm instead of running away. That is not self-defense.
>- you might get robbed. maybe a mugging or your house getting burgled. staying in a nice neighbourhood doesn't change this
Yeah it does. Statistics prove this.
>- if you have kids. grappling will teach you how to efficiently move your kid without hurting them
Lift weights.
>- if you work a job like cop, security, in a medical field. even a teacher
That makes it completely irrelevant if you're not.
>- moving someone who is unconscious
Lift weights.
>- contact sports
To get better at a sport, just do the sport.

>>76470350
You're not convincing any human, brown.

>>76470393
I do BJJ, but I'm not going to pretend like it's useful for anything. Aside from feeling like you're cool, and touching other men very intimately.

>>76469147 (OP)
boxing/muay thai
BJJ/wrestling

If I was american I'd definitely pick something gun related. It's the only thing I'm envious about, I wish i had some guns and some wooden bullseyes to practice in my back yard and just have some fun.
Grandpa was a hunter and I found guns really interesting, alas Europe is too cuck about it

>>76469773
Kicking in the street is actually dangerous. The risk of slipping, doing it without a proper warm-up, wearing jeans/other non flexible trousers... you kinda wanna avoid that.
>>76469147 (OP)
As for op, its not about the martial art, its about yourself, also real life scenarios are ALWAYS different from a sport enviroment. Realistically:
>if youre alone against a group, youre fucked
>if your opponent is armed (yes even a knife) youre fucked
>if youre 1 vs 1 then any combat sport will give you the edge against a non trained opponent. If your opponent knows what fighting is all about, then again: its not about the martial art, its about you
Avoid PURELY sport-related stuff, as an example avoid olympic karate, instead if you wanna practice karate for self defense either opt for a more traditional style like kyokushin. Same goes for taekwondo etc...
Judo is cool. Boxing/muay thai/kickboxing are cool as well. Avoid at all costs wu shu and stuff like that. Wing Chun MIGHT be okay if you know what the hell youre doing IF you find a good master. BJJ is cool but you should never get on the ground while fighting. Judo is probably the best choice for neutralizing an eventual threat

>>76470350
>You will 100% get more injuries doing martial arts than you ever will from falling over randomly.
Falls are a significant cause of accidental death worldwide. They are the second leading cause of unintentional injury death globally, with an estimated 684,000 fatalities annually.
In addition, there's other ways of falling not caught in that stat. You can fall over getting hit by a car, or by a piece of industrial machinery, or falling off a bike.
>Not common enough to justify training a martial art for 5 years.
A matter for you
Who said 5 years anyway
>Self-defense is to avoid such situations, to de-escalate, to run away, and to use weapons as a last resort. Martial arts is literally at the bottom of the list.
Using weapons is a martial art. Using a gun might not be a martial art in common language. But using a melee weapon definitely is.
Drawing and shooting a gun at close range is often not feasible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cwhE7sfQtg
Using a knife is extremely similar to unarmed fighting.
Moreover deescalation and other good decision making is dependent on being relaxed in an extremely tense situation. Something that can only be trained by repeatedly subjecting yourself to such a situation - Martial arts, extreme sports, the military etc.
You can't always have a weapon on you.
Violence is not something you can always avoid, it can come to you.

>>76470478
>Falls are a significant cause of accidental death worldwide. They are the second leading cause of unintentional injury death globally, with an estimated 684,000 fatalities annually.
All of those are old people.
>In addition, there's other ways of falling not caught in that stat. You can fall over getting hit by a car, or by a piece of industrial machinery, or falling off a bike.
If any of those things happen, a breakfall isn't going to save you lmao. It's like saying if you jump off a 10 story building you just breakfall and you'll be good bro!
>Who said 5 years anyway
You need to train for ~5 years to be good enough to overcome size/strength discrepancies.
>Using weapons is a martial art. Using a gun might not be a martial art in common language. But using a melee weapon definitely is.
You're missing the point, which is that you shouldn't have to use weapons at all. You should be avoiding dangerous places and running away as a top priority.
The best way to train for self-defense is to make more money so you can live in a safe area, and to train your 100 meter dash.

>>76470478
>>76470350
You can also work a blue collar job. People check you physically. They come up to you and play wrestle with you, with a smile on their face. You need to know what to do. What are you gonna do, magdump them? Stab them? Freeze like a coward? Just do your best and play wrestle back?
No, the best option is to physically dominate such a person, but in a relaxed and safe way. Eg in the open just body fold them. Or if they're near a wall do a typical wall shot then suck double or ankle pick them.
People do this shit in prison too.

>>76470504
>You need to know what to do. What are you gonna do, magdump them? Stab them? Freeze like a coward? Just do your best and play wrestle back?
Get a better job where people don't fight each other, and make more money. That is your self-defense.

>>76470499
>You should be avoiding dangerous places and running away as a top priority.
Yeah let me just never go to a bar or a gig or take public transport or go to the city ever again
>If any of those things happen, a breakfall isn't going to save you lmao.
A breakfall's not gonna save you falling off a bicycle? Or falling off a motorcycle? Or falling off a skateboard? I have done literally all of these things
I wouldn't have died from the motorcycle on account of the helmet but there's a good chance I would have broken bones.
>You need to train for ~5 years to be good enough to overcome size/strength discrepancies.
who said there were size/strength discrepancies in this scenario?

>>76470510
>Get a better job where people don't fight each other, and make more money.
This advice doesn't work for a lot of people. Unless you're working a job like lawyer, accountant, engineer, accountant, IT etc you're going to make LESS money working in an environment where people don't fight each other. There's only so many office jobs to go around. Blue collar jobs pay relatively well.
And to get a high paying white collar job you're probably going to need to get an education, during which time you need to support yourself via a shitkicker job.

>>76470522
>Yeah let me just never go to a bar or a gig or take public transport or go to the city ever again
It sounds like you're just too proud to run away, or to even use pepper spray.
>A breakfall's not gonna save you falling off a bicycle? Or falling off a motorcycle? Or falling off a skateboard? I have done literally all of these things
>I wouldn't have died from the motorcycle on account of the helmet but there's a good chance I would have broken bones.
The technique for falling off a moving vehicle is totally different from a martial arts breakfall. I have never seen any extreme sports athlete ever use a breakfall, even though they are professionals at falling.
>who said there were size/strength discrepancies in this scenario?
It's kind of crazy to assume that every stranger who attacks you on the street is going to be in your weight class. Kek lmao
>>76470545
>Blue collar jobs pay relatively well.
If you blow your knee or ankle out doing BJJ, then you're out of work anyway.
>And to get a high paying white collar job you're probably going to need to get an education, during which time you need to support yourself via a shitkicker job.
That's what I did. I worked shitty fast food and retail jobs while going to college. The total number of times anyone got physical with me is less than 5, and what came of it? Nothing.

>>76470499
>All of those are old people.
Not even true.
Besides you will be old one day. You can learn to breakfall to protect yourself when you're old.
>>76470350
>So a family member attacks you, and your response is to knock them out or break their arm instead of running away. That is not self-defense.
If a family member attacks another family member?
If a family member grabs you and doesn't let go?
If a family member attacks you and blocks the exit?
If they start hitting you? Are you just not going to block the shots?
If you're a teenager getting beaten by your dad?
If a family member is a schizo and is trying to do harm to someone or themselves?
If they're insisting on drink driving?

>>76470555
>>76470555
>Besides you will be old one day. You can learn to breakfall to protect yourself when you're old.
Or I can just lift weights and stay athletic my whole life so I have strong tendons and never lose my balance.
>If a family member attacks another family member?
>If a family member grabs you and doesn't let go?
>If a family member attacks you and blocks the exit?
>If they start hitting you? Are you just not going to block the shots?
>If you're a teenager getting beaten by your dad?
>If a family member is a schizo and is trying to do harm to someone or themselves?
>If they're insisting on drink driving?
All of these are solved by making more money so you can stay away from them.

>>76470350
Is that you? You look massive

>>76470566
No, but that is actually a guy who I found that used to do martial arts, but he no longer had time for it, so he decided to look like a monster instead.

>>76470350
>So a family member attacks you, and your response is to knock them out or break their arm instead of running away. That is not self-defense.
Totally dishonest, complete strawman.
If it's not appropriate to run away, you can take them down and hold them down.
If they grab you and don't let go, you strip their grips and run away (grappling). Or perhaps you take them down, go knee on belly, then run away.
If they're trying to hit you you block their strikes.
>Yeah it does. Statistics prove this.
So people with high paying jobs don't encounter dangerous people? Maybe homeless people they encounter on public transport or walking to their job?
So rich neighbourhoods don't get burgled?
>Lift weights.
"without hurting them"
I had in mind your kid is throwing a tantrum, or attacking someone
>That makes it completely irrelevant if you're not.
Unless it's one of the many other reasons
>Lift weights.
Moving a body, just like moving a barbell or a kettlebell or an atlas stone, has its own specific techniques for doing it efficiently
>To get better at a sport, just do the sport.
Football players - rugby, american, australian - literally have wrestling coaches anyway because it improved their performance
Are you aware that athletes train skills beyond just directly doing their sport? Like ladder drills and stuff?

>>76470569
so why did you post it? to give your post more credence? kind of weird

>>76469147 (OP)
Sumo, 100% serious.

But in terms of stuff you will actually seek out OP, the answer is boxing + judo. I list these two because they teach the actual defense you need. Anyone can hurt someone else, but you need to be able to deal with
>sloppy overhand punches
Boxing head movement, being able to see punches coming
>sloppy double legs
Judo
>sloppy body locks
Judo
>cheeky sucker punches
Boxing head movement
Boxing and judo also require high levels of conditioning so you’ll have a gas tank when you need it
>>76470324
Breakfalls are super important, I agree

>>76470579
>Totally dishonest, complete strawman.
Let me just train martial arts for years and get attacked by hundreds of people, so that I can stop my family members (who have no history of violence) from attacking me.
>So people with high paying jobs don't encounter dangerous people? Maybe homeless people they encounter on public transport or walking to their job?
If you have to work in a city (which you probably don't) then you can carry pepper spray or run away.
Robbers will have guns anyway so you're going to give them your wallet no matter what your training is.
>So rich neighbourhoods don't get burgled?
When burglars break into your home, you shoot them. You don't engage in hand-to-hand lmao.
There's a famous MMA fighter who had a guy on PCP break into his house, the fighter beat the shit out of him and none of his moves worked at all because the guy was on drugs.
>"without hurting them"
>I had in mind your kid is throwing a tantrum, or attacking someone
Most people on Earth have had kids and didn't need to do martial arts.
>Moving a body, just like moving a barbell or a kettlebell or an atlas stone, has its own specific techniques for doing it efficiently
General strength carries over to everything.
>>To get better at a sport, just do the sport.
>Football players - rugby, american, australian - literally have wrestling coaches anyway because it improved their performance
>Are you aware that athletes train skills beyond just directly doing their sport? Like ladder drills and stuff?
That's really nice. So is that a reason to do martial arts for the average person?
>>76470591
I just like the picture.

>>76470559
>everyone on earth is an adult who can earn enough money to live in a nice neighbourhood without violent crime, and not only that, but never venture anywhere remotely dangerous. children and minors and poor people and foreigners don't exist
>you can never get attacked by a partner or a family member. there's never even a first time that it happens
>never go to a bar or a gig or a sporting event. never go to the city. never go to anything where there's a crowd. never participate in a contact sport
>get a high paying job. but not medicine, not a teacher. not blue collar either. everyone can achieve this. and make sure that high paying job isn't in the city and you don't need to take public transport

>>76470623
>>everyone on earth is an adult who can earn enough money to live in a nice neighbourhood without violent crime, and not only that, but never venture anywhere remotely dangerous. children and minors and poor people and foreigners don't exist
Martial arts cost money. If you can't live in a nice neighborhood, you probably can't afford martial arts either.
>>you can never get attacked by a partner or a family member. there's never even a first time that it happens
For me to have a partner, it would be a woman who can't fight anyway.
If a family member were to fight me, I would probably be living with them and dependent on them. Do you think a violent parent would let their kid take martial arts to protect themselves?
>>never go to a bar or a gig or a sporting event. never go to the city. never go to anything where there's a crowd. never participate in a contact sport
Just run away.
>>get a high paying job. but not medicine, not a teacher. not blue collar either. everyone can achieve this. and make sure that high paying job isn't in the city and you don't need to take public transport
Blue collar workers can't take martial arts because if they blow out their knee, they're out of work anyway.

>>76469147 (OP)
>this thread again
Boxing if you're in a hurry, FMA if you've got time, military styles if you can get them.

>>76469773
>Striking arts with kicks absolutely destroy boxing.
Only if you suck at boxing. A jab has greater range than all kicks coming from the side, and comparable range to a front kick. With those kicks, just bending forward a little while jabbing or throwing a left straight is enough to counter.
Sidekicks are an exception, since those actually have more range, but they#re such gigantic movements that they're easy enough to dodge.
>>76470119
Striking is way more effective. The only grappling that works reliably against striking (outside of excessive rules like the UFC has) is low shoots. Grappling does have it's place, though. If youcan open up the opponent with strikes, and grab them while they're reeling, a good throw will end the fight much quicker than strikes.

>>76470614
Nta but go fuck yourself dude, if someone smacks your girl on the ass or steals your kids bike you’re just gonna run away? Fucking idiot, I don’t know why anon has went back and forth with you to this point at all

>>76469147 (OP)
Literally Running Away No Jutsu

>>76470644
>Nta but go fuck yourself dude, if someone smacks your girl on the ass or steals your kids bike you’re just gonna run away? Fucking idiot, I don’t know why anon has went back and forth with you to this point at all
Going to jail over a gf or your kid's bike is completely unnecessary. Mighty Mouse had some guy say "nice tits" to his wife and he did nothing. We aren't living in Africa bro.

if there is a situation in which you think that you might have to fight someone, the BEST solution is to run away.
>but i'll look like a pussy
you are alive and unhurt
>cardio kills gains
you are alive and unhurt
>it isn't cool
you are alive and unhurt

the SECOND BEST solution is to conceal carry a firearm. guns are the great equalizer. as good as Muhammad Ali is as a boxer, a teenage girl with a .380 would put him down—hell, maybe a .22 if the placement is good enough (and the rounds all fire kek)
>guns are for pussies
you are alive and unhurt
>i might get into trouble
look into laws in your area or state. its part of the CC classes.
>but i want to be the weapon
jet li would die to gunshot wounds

>>76470614
>so that I can stop my family members (who have no history of violence)
Who said my advice was for you?
The way you type is really snarky and feminine. You're also very solipsistic - you're assuming everything I say is advice FOR YOU - again this is a very feminine trait. Women can't conceive of a world outside of how it relates to them. You're also minimally charitable and dishonest, which is very feminine.
>If you have to work in a city (which you probably don't) then you can carry pepper spray or run away.
Not everyone is allowed to carry pepper spray. Some places don't let you have weapons inside.
You can't run away if you're on public transport. You can't run away if you're cornered. It becomes hard to run away if you have been grabbed.
>Robbers will have guns anyway so you're going to give them your wallet no matter what your training is.
this is good advice
>That's really nice. So is that a reason to do martial arts for the average person?
I didn't say that
But for the average person who does such a sport, yes.
>I just like the picture.
Feminine.

>>76470658
>Who said my advice was for you?
>The way you type is really snarky and feminine. You're also very solipsistic - you're assuming everything I say is advice FOR YOU - again this is a very feminine trait. Women can't conceive of a world outside of how it relates to them. You're also minimally charitable and dishonest, which is very feminine.
It seems like you're resorting to ad hominems because you can't engage with my argument.
>You can't run away if you're on public transport. You can't run away if you're cornered. It becomes hard to run away if you have been grabbed.
Let me get attacked by hundreds of people so that I can defend myself from something that will happen to .0000001% of people in first-world countries.
>>I just like the picture.
>Feminine.
If you use feminine as an insult, doesn't that make you gay? BJJ is for you.

>>76470630
>Martial arts cost money. If you can't live in a nice neighborhood, you probably can't afford martial arts either.
It's like 50 bucks a week for an MMA gym in Australia. It goes up to about 60 for the best ones. Renting just a room in a sharehouse in a nice neighbourhood is about 300 starting.
I'll just tell the entire population of Brazil that they can't afford martial arts and that they need to move overseas.
>Do you think a violent parent would let their kid take martial arts to protect themselves?
I knew a teenager who did that
>Blue collar workers can't take martial arts because if they blow out their knee, they're out of work anyway.
plenty of them take martial arts and don't blow out their knee

>>76470681
>It's like 50 bucks a week for an MMA gym in Australia. It goes up to about 60 for the best ones. Renting just a room in a sharehouse in a nice neighbourhood is about 300 starting.
Australia is a first world country with less crime than the United States.
>I'll just tell the entire population of Brazil that they can't afford martial arts and that they need to move overseas.
That would be the best thing to do for self-defense.
>I knew a teenager who did that
That's fine. So for people who need to take martial arts, we have:
1. Kids with abusive parents
2. People living in third world shitholes
Anyone else?
>plenty of them take martial arts and don't blow out their knee
Grappling are the ones that blow out your knee.
So you're saying that teachers and doctors should know boxing? Lmao

>>76470636
>The only grappling that works reliably against striking (outside of excessive rules like the UFC has) is low shoots.
What is clinching in muay thai?
>>76470668
>It seems like you're resorting to ad hominems because you can't engage with my argument.
An insult is not an ad hominem. I insulted you because you're dishonest and dumb eg you strawmanned me "So a family member attacks you, and your response is to knock them out or break their arm instead of running away." An insult only becomes an ad hominem if I use it to say that you're wrong because of the insult.
I have been engaging with your arguments for a long time.
>Let me get attacked by hundreds of people so that I can defend myself from something that will happen to .0000001% of people in first-world countries.
In Australia, it's estimated that 3.8 million adults (20% of the population) have experienced physical and/or sexual violence since the age of 15, according to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare.
You keep engaging in hyperbole. On top of that, you're very wrong, including being wrong when you engage in hyperbole. Asserting stuff as fact when it is wrong, and being smug about it, is dishonest and insulting. This combination makes me want to insult you back.
>If you use feminine as an insult, doesn't that make you gay
No retard, it's an insult because you are a man who is feminine.

>>76470718
I'm just going to ignore anything that isn't an argument.
>>Let me get attacked by hundreds of people so that I can defend myself from something that will happen to .0000001% of people in first-world countries.
>In Australia, it's estimated that 3.8 million adults (20% of the population) have experienced physical and/or sexual violence since the age of 15, according to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare.
These scenarios can be avoided by avoiding the situation, running away or using pepper spray.

>>76470704
>Australia is a first world country with less crime than the United States.
In Australia, it's estimated that 3.8 million adults (20% of the population) have experienced physical and/or sexual violence since the age of 15, according to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare.
>That's fine. So for people who need to take martial arts, we have:
Police, security, jobs like police (ticket inspectors for example), social workers, teachers, medical fields, every labouring job, some customer facing jobs (working at some bars, for example), public transport workers, taxi/rideshare drivers, criminal lawyers
Every single person outside the first world
People in contact sports, pro or even hobbyist
Perhaps everyone who has gotten assaulted
Kids, given that they get into fights all the time
Seems like a vast majority of people in the world

>>76470732
Can't always avoid it. It can come to you.
You can't always run away. You can be cornered. You can be grabbed. You can be on public transport for example.
Someone can try to snatch your bag. It can be worth it smashing them in the head with your fist.
>using pepper spray.
In Australia, pepper spray is generally illegal for civilian use and possession, with the exception of Western Australia where it is classified as a controlled weapon.

>>76470751
>In Australia, it's estimated that 3.8 million adults (20% of the population) have experienced physical and/or sexual violence since the age of 15, according to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare.
These scenarios can be avoided by avoiding the situation, running away or using pepper spray.
>>That's fine. So for people who need to take martial arts, we have:
>Police, security, jobs like police (ticket inspectors for example), social workers, teachers, medical fields, every labouring job, some customer facing jobs (working at some bars, for example), public transport workers, taxi/rideshare drivers, criminal lawyers
>Every single person outside the first world
>People in contact sports, pro or even hobbyist
>Perhaps everyone who has gotten assaulted
>Kids, given that they get into fights all the time
>Seems like a vast majority of people in the world
If everyone knows martial arts, that means the thugs know martial arts too, which renders it completely useless.
Also, all martial arts can be neutralized with a weapon, which again makes it completely useless.
Can you just admit that martial arts are for fun?

>>76470766
>You can't always run away. You can be cornered. You can be grabbed. You can be on public transport for example.
Out of the 20% of the population who experienced violence, what percent of them were in situations where they couldn't run away? Probably less than 1%.
>In Australia, pepper spray is generally illegal for civilian use and possession, with the exception of Western Australia where it is classified as a controlled weapon.
If you think Australians should do martial arts, just post that Australians should do martial arts, instead of recommending them for everyone.

>>76470770
>>76470770
>Out of the 20% of the population who experienced violence, what percent of them were in situations where they couldn't run away? Probably less than 1%.
I wouldn't say that at all. Maybe half

>If everyone knows martial arts, that means the thugs know martial arts too, which renders it completely useless.
The question I am answering is whether it is beneficial to the individual to chose to learn martial arts. Not whether if everyone knew martial arts would it benefit society. Really simple distinction.

>If you think Australians should do martial arts, just post that Australians should do martial arts, instead of recommending them for everyone.
I just gave you a very long list of people who I think should do martial arts.
This is why I insult you, because you are a RETARD.

>Also, all martial arts can be neutralized with a weapon, which again makes it completely useless.
Fighting well with a melee weapon IS martial arts.
If you're outside the home, I'm going to assume you're talking about a knife and a gun, because I assume you're not carrying a machete around.
Knife fighting IS martial arts.
Besides knife fighting itself being taught by martial arts, fighting with a knife is extremely similar to fighting without a weapon at all. If the knife's in your rear hand, it's like being able to throw a cross, but the cross is extremely threatening. You do a lot of the same stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_6EPKltO04&pp=ygUZeW91ciBrbmlmZSBmaWdodGluZyBzdWNrcw%3D%3D This video explains what I mean by that.
I already linked you the Tueller drill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cwhE7sfQtg Reacting, drawing and shooting isn't reliable at close range.

>which again makes it completely useless.
except for the dozen other reasons I listed
Again it's like I'm talking to a retarded person, who doesn't read anything that I write

>>76470838
>I wouldn't say that at all. Maybe half
So now your argument is that everyone should take martial arts to protect from unavoidable violence that happens to 10% of people.
Also, even in most of these cases, the victims aren't dead or crippled. You will be beaten worse during martial arts training than by a thug who just wants your money.
>>If you think Australians should do martial arts, just post that Australians should do martial arts, instead of recommending them for everyone.
>I just gave you a very long list of people who I think should do martial arts.
You basically just said "the vast majority of people in the world" which is definitely not true. The vast majority of people should learn self-defense, but martial arts is totally unnecessary.
>Knife fighting IS martial arts.
You're again making the retarded assumption that if someone comes up to you with a knife, you should fight back with a knife. The answer is to run away or avoid the situation.
It's like you have no conception of what self-defense is and you think it's all about fighting when that's actually the least important factor.

>>76470902
>You will be beaten worse during martial arts training than by a thug who just wants your money.
I don't agree with this
And getting assaulted (or having a rape attempted against you) is far more traumatic than sparring. It becomes a lot less traumatic if you don't get the shit beaten out of you, and if you have prepared psychologically via training. And a whole lot less traumatic if you beat the shit out of your attacker.

>So now your argument is that everyone should take martial arts to protect from unavoidable violence that happens to 10% of people.
Didn't you say "Australia is a first world country with less crime than the United States."?
Remember, this stat is about Australia, not the whole world. For the world it's certainly higher

I also don't buy that everyone who could run away, should run away. If you're getting physically targeted and you're in school, should you just run away and tell a parent, and tell the school? No. Have some pride bro. That is some faggot bullshit.

You think someone who follows all of your advice is going to be able to de-escalate or even make good decisions when faced with a threat? Someone who never did contact sports, never did martial arts, never went to a bar or a gig, never went on public transport, never worked a dangerous job, never worked a blue collar job, never went to a bad neighborhood, ran away from any threat at every opportunity, is going to be able to de-escalate or make good decisions when some drunk guy is getting up in their grill and pressing them? No fucking way.

>>76470902
>You're again making the retarded assumption that if someone comes up to you with a knife, you should fight back with a knife. The answer is to run away or avoid the situation.
>It's like you have no conception of what self-defense is and you think it's all about fighting when that's actually the least important factor.
If someone attacks someone else that you care about you should probably try to stab that person.

>>76470981
Or if someone is attacking you and you can't run away.

>>76470981
>I don't agree with this
In BJJ I had my knee fucked and couldn't walk for months. Then in Judo I had my ankle fucked too and it took over a year to recover. All of my encounters with violent drunk people were less injurious.
>And a whole lot less traumatic if you beat the shit out of your attacker.
Or you could do martial arts for years and still get the shit beaten out of you because the attacker is bigger and stronger and you're not good enough at martial arts.
>Didn't you say "Australia is a first world country with less crime than the United States."?
It is, look up the statistics. The percentage in the US is certainly higher and I still don't recommend that everyone take martial arts.
>I also don't buy that everyone who could run away, should run away. If you're getting physically targeted and you're in school, should you just run away and tell a parent, and tell the school? No. Have some pride bro. That is some faggot bullshit.
In my school, a kid was getting bullied and he stabbed the guy in the throat and he got tried as an adult.
I had a friend who did martial arts, and he tried to fight a bully in school, but he wouldn't throw the first punch because he didn't want to get in legal trouble. The bully just grabbed his backpack and put it in the trash can and walked away.
>You think someone who follows all of your advice is going to be able to de-escalate or even make good decisions when faced with a threat?
The majority of people who go and do all of this stuff never encounter any violence in the first place. First world countries are safe in general.
>If someone attacks someone else that you care about you should probably try to stab that person.
That's your call, but you have to keep in mind the legal consequences that follow.

>>76471038
>It is, look up the statistics. The percentage in the US is certainly higher and I still don't recommend that everyone take martial arts.
I think you might be retarded because you don't understand the point I was making. You might have a legit 90IQ. Read what I wrote and think again.
>In my school, a kid was getting bullied and he stabbed the guy in the throat and he got tried as an adult.
Don't do that.
You're giving just insanely wacky examples that no one would advocate. Remember how I said you are dishonest. You're doing it again.
>I had a friend who did martial arts, and he tried to fight a bully in school, but he wouldn't throw the first punch because he didn't want to get in legal trouble. The bully just grabbed his backpack and put it in the trash can and walked away.
So you hit them when they grab your backpack. Simple.
You lack a theory of mind. You should know I would say that.

>>76471086
>So you hit them when they grab your backpack. Simple.
Not legally defensible. Maybe look up the law before you do some stupid shit IRL. Also, please keep in mind you must be 18 or older to post.

>>76471126
>Not legally defensible.
I find it hard to believe that hitting someone who is stealing with force is not legally defensible

>>76469147 (OP)
running
if you lift heavy you are constantly overtrained and less capable of fighting that a feral crackhead
i was accosted by a crackhead that emerged from a bush outside my gym at 3am
i was bigger than him, fitter than him and having worked security highly likely to have more fight experience too
but it was right after arm day and he could have had a weapon so simply taking a light warmdown jog home was by far the safest approach

but if you insist on actually fighting you should use muay thai for actual self defence because you can kick the fucker so hard he'll be crippled before he realises what you're doing, or BJJ if you wanna take the fight to them, get em on the ground and hold em for police

I’m stuck here /fit/. Should I do wrestling, Judo or MT? Total newbie at 29 years old

Why are gyms so expensive in nyc? I'm trying to get into bjj and all the gyms are $100+/month. I can't see myself paying that much for that

Just boxing. Wrestlefucking is only 1v1 and if someone is willing to fight 1v1 then they aren't that dangerous. Wrestlefucking definitely has its uses depending on environment though so I won't really diss it and it's probably the 2nd best choise. The weakness of boxing only comes from people who know actual martial arts with kicking and people with that kind of discipline aren't going to be picking fights. Only benefits for kick boxing is becoming worldstar famous for the rare head kick heem, and you are less likely to break anything when you have shoes on and kick someone vs a bare knuckle punch. I'd only get into kick boxing if you find you actually like martial arts and are about that life.

>>76470253
>Why do they do this?
>why would you attack someone with the goal of fucking them up instead of engaging in a honorable duel where you pull your punches?

None, train mma

>>76469147 (OP)
None of them.
"martial arts" are sports designed for competition.
Although you could adapt a Judo or Kempo base into something pretty good.

>>76469166
Often see boxing recommended, but what about something like muay thai? Seems like an elbow would be more generally effective if you just wanted to put someone down effectively and without injuring yourself.

>>76469339
“American” isn’t a race you dumb nigger

>>76471888
aren't elbows more fragile?

>>76471888
The base of the palm to the temple is more effective and has far more reach and power

>>76469147 (OP)
>>76469339
>>76470324
>>76470566
>>76471893

>>76469147 (OP)
The 'best' is anything that teaches the full spectrum of unarmed combat. Sambo, Sanda, Daido Juku/Kudo, or Jujitsu(the og japanese variety not the fag roller BJJ). However finding any of those in a western country is a pain in the ass so you should go for a generic MMA gym that offers classes in everything.

>>76470131
>There is no real reason to train for self-defense.
Spoken like an absolute pussy, even in the safest of places there is always the possibility you'll need it. No sane person should live without knowing at least the basics of how to defend themselves.

>>76472049
>palm has more reach than fist
You're fucking retarded and this is coming from someone who is very pro palm and has studied styles that use it.

>>76472144
>palm has more reach than elbow
Learn how to read before talking shit you fucking smooth brain. You ain’t studying shit being illiterate

>>76472049
>far more power
Skeptical of that. Even assuming youre correct, lets say palm is 8/10 in power and elbow is 6/10, you can do 6 elbows in the span of time it would take you to do 2 palm strikes.
>>76472041
No, maybe the funny bone, but the biggest part of the elbow is extremely durable, especially compared to knuckles. Try punching your elbows right now, you'll see

>>76470555
What stupid terrible family do you have? I only see these things happen in movies.

>>76470636
>Only if you suck at boxing. A jab has greater range than all kicks coming from the side, and comparable range to a front kick

Sorry but all the boxing vs muay thai matches confirm that the boxer has no chance against low kicks. I'm sure an argument can be made that learning boxing is better for the average self defense situation (less time to become reasonably competent, better evasive movement for hitting and running away, better chance of knocking out multiple opponents while moving around them) but if you meet someone with good kicks they will destroy you.

>>76469390
>Minorities, mostly blacks and hispanics attack in groups or behind your back
Which means they are in fact inferior to us physically.

>>76470350
>So a family member attacks you, and your response is to knock them out or break their arm instead of running away. That is not self-defense.
lol brown

>>76470636
Even if the boxer manages to keep the kickboxer at bay with jabs (not going to happen but let's assume it does), the kickboxer can still easily make a boxer lose his balance and leave him completely vulnerable.

>>76470350
>>76470401
based knower

martial arts are useless in real life situations
just be strong and fit, carry a gun or a knife if you live around subhumans

>>76473223
That’s not how it works you silly billy. By your logic if I lightly tapped someone over 100 times at an incredibly fast speed then it would eventually equal hitting them with a bat or some shit. Sounds retarded right? Because it is and idk why you ever thought that was how physics worked.

>>76470981
Every other blue belt and above in bjj has nagging injuries on their back or knees
>>76471573
Running is good, but anyone who's fit can outrun the average homeless drunk/crackhead subhuman without any specific training.
>I was bigger/fitter than him but I was tired after arm day
Start training properly, arm days are useless.

>>76473768
You must be incredibly sheltered. A lot of families are fucked up nowadays

>>76473801
It’s so cute how you wimpy ass white supremacists can only act tough online while white nations are collapsing in real time and none of y’all are doing shit

>>76471625
Judo for a year then add MT. Practice Tai Chi on off days for mobility, flexibility, and to recover from injury.

>>76474152
Maybe among african americans? I don't know one single person who would ever think to learn to fight to defend against their family. I would feel ashamed just thinking about hurting a relative. If your family is so bad just leave them and go away.

Boxing for sure. Pro mma, kickboxers, muay Thai guys can fuck someone up with a kick but they have insane genetics and years of practice. Most normal people couldn't fuck someone up kicking them in the legs. All the jujitsu stuff is great in specific circumstances but if you're against more than one person then you don't want to be rolling round on the floor. If you look at what happens when people naturally fight it's throwing punches. 6 months of boxing and the fitness that comes with it would be grear for most people. If you can punch someone in the nose or chin and get out of there while they're dazed or confused then that's all the self defence you really need desu. Don't get caught up in the fantasy of beating people to death. Be as violent as you can as fast as you can and get out of there, which a punch is probably the best thing.

>>76474227
Tons of white trash families too. They just aren’t as public about it as blacks

>>76470350
>>76470401
>>76474113
>samefagging
>le reddit pic
>reddit tier pussy post
That tracks. Nothing you said is remotely true and only a sheltered pussy or troll would make those statements. Falling is one of the leading causes of death world wide regardless of age. Doesn't matter how common being a victim of violence is & to say thats justification for just letting it happen with no prep is retared. Martial arts teach you de-escalation, to keep calm in those moments, and recognize the signs of an uncooperative escalating hostility. Assuming you're using it right the chances of you going to prison are practically non existent. Violent crime is most often committed by those closest to you and no "just running away" is not a good enough defense in most situations. We live in the age of porch pirates, anything outside of a gated /patrolled community is subject to all the same crimes, again infrequency doesn't invalidate the need for self-defense training, if anything it substantiates it. Lifting weights is great but in general does fuck all for mobility.
>tl;dr: You're a reddit posting retarded pussy

>>76474149
I'm doing a 10 week period where I only train legs once a week because I work on my feet all day and am doing mega overtime to fill in for a medical leave
So I'm doing PPLPPA rest
I think in this scenario arm day is fine, its not long term and it fits nicely into a normal split (its more arms shoulders than just Bis and Tris if this makes it make more sense because side and front delts are good to go) plus for the first time in a long time I'm actually enjoying smashing Leg day and my hack squat actually went up this week regardless

>>76469147 (OP)
One? BJJ, don't listen to the retards, every elite police unit trains it because it's what works IRL and doesn't destroy your body like wrestling

>>76474313
no i want to destroy multiple people

>>76474313
>bjj
>doesn't destroy your body
This is the biggest sack of shit lie & best way to expose that you don't train it. The number of sprains, dislocations, torn muscles/ligaments/tendons is worse than most other forms of martial arts depending on the gym. That's not even touching the increased stroke risks.

Feels like Kickboxing or Muay Thai no? if you get a decent kick to the side of someones knee they will collapse.

>>76474313
Pretending bjj doesn't cause injuries is cope for learning an easier martial art.

Wrestled through college and myself and all my friends are working out harder than ever now. Meanwhile I see bjj newbies constantly hurting coaches complaining about joints. My 60 year old wrestling coach was in the olympics and has almost zero issues

>>76469147 (OP)
i think the most hilarious thing about self defense is that all the people that wanna learn it will never ever in their lives be in a situation that requires it

1. Avoiding
2. Talking
3. Weapons
4. Wrestling
5. Boxing
6. Jiu Jitsu (mostly a meme at this point)

t. 5 years at the door, hundreds maybe thousands of street fights

>>76474280
SEETHING

>>76469147 (OP)
I'm too stubborn to get lessons nowadays, plus I saw someone get the cops called on them what if I put them in a coma or break a rib and the whole gym comes after me.

>>76474313
First of all that’s complete bullshit. They don’t give a fuck about BJJ. All those high speed operator squads that you see into BJJ are mostly into it because it’s cheap and accessible. It’s highly impractical for a police department or a seal team to seriously wrestle or box, not that any of this matters. When you’re in a life threatening situation, the equalizers are numbers and guns. The way you defend yourself is avoiding these situations, when you can’t avoid them de-escalating them, when you can’t de-escalate avoiding getting hit with weapons or ganged up on, and when you can’t do all those, then stuff like takedown defense and being able to take a hit, and after all that then you’re talking about punches, kicks, submissions, takedowns. If you’re training BJJ you’re training 1/5 aspects of the 5th layer of self-defense. This is why I honestly cannot stand BJJfags. I worked as a bouncer for 5 years, 7 of you can’t time I helped out but wasn’t formally working as one. I saw countless street fights. You know how many grappling submissions I saw? Fucking zero. You know how many jiu jitsu guys I saw get their heads smashed into pavement or soaked in their blood after having a bottle broken over their head? A lot. In a real street fight that BJJ shit counts for the most marginal of margins. And yet they all think they’re the guy from Roadhouse for some reason.

>>76474280
> Violent crime is most often committed by those closest to you
> anything outside of a gated /patrolled community is subject to all the same crimes
so… you’re constantly getting beaten up in your gated community?

>>76470522
not the person you were replying to but:
>Yeah let me just never go to a bar or a gig or take public transport or go to the city ever again
I'm Muslim so I'm already avoiding the first 2
>A breakfall's not gonna save you falling off a bicycle? Or falling off a motorcycle? Or falling off a skateboard? I have done literally all of these things
I wouldn't have died from the motorcycle on account of the helmet but there's a good chance I would have broken bones.
I've never skated or used a motorcycle, I don't use a bike nowadays but I know how do ride one. Unlikely to get into a situation where I'm riding a bike in the first place.
>who said there were size/strength discrepancies in this scenario?
This is my first post in this thread but you should be expecting to fight anyone if you're going to bars and getting drunk because how are you going to flee? Just proves that avoidance is better than learning how to fight in the first place as you can't even flee in that scenario.

>>76470324
>medical field
Yea, CNAs and admins (>75% are fat manlets) can get kinda aggro at times.

How you train is how you fight
Normies can't fight and so long as you train a genuine combat sport and put in the effort to spar and drill, you'll dance rings around the drunks outside the pub or whatever
So the issue is when knives or guns or mates come out
I'm gonna suggest judo, since it's the only combat sport that prioritises handfighting and arm control, which you probably want if you're fighting someone holding a knife or gun or big stick. You'll still need to be mindful, actively fight over the danger hand instead of just gripping the sleeve and going for the lapel, but you're set up for it better than say a boxer who doesn't grab wrists at all
Judo not so great at the fighting multiple guys though - in theory grabbing one guy and kuzushi-ing him around to keep the other guys off you might work quite well, dunno about that in practice though
Of course on the other end of the spectrum, a boxer is going to be well equipped to stay out of knife range and see long-range stabs coming, but punching is dangerous because unlike with punches you can't win a trade with a knife, you just get stabbed
The advantage of grappling is that if you do get him down, it's much harder for him to fight from the bottom than it is for you to fight from the top
So idk really, just train what you want to train, and when you get into a street fight against five ninjas armed with gunchucks, just get lucky

>>76470443
>Kicking in the street is actually dangerous. The risk of slipping, doing it without a proper warm-up, wearing jeans/other non flexible trousers... you kinda wanna avoid that
You do, unless you're good at it
If you slip, you might be able to just stand up again
It's not like a bum on the street is so dangerous that one mistake and you're 100% fucked
>>76472041
No, it's the exact opposite, elbows are very strong, sharp and dangerous
It's also really easy to teach someone to throw a hard ("smashing" style) elbow with their bodyweight in it, whereas punching is actually quite difficult to learn to do well. Especially because you can do it from contact
The downside is that you have to be quite close
>>76470131
I train for self-offence
>>76470350
>posting MS
He does tang soo do fyi, lol
He got back into it recently iirc
Also started showing up to bjj tournaments and embarrassing himself
>>76470478
My quibble with the tueller drill is that if somebody charges you, you probably won't stand still, you'll back up. This might not help, maybe make you mess up your draw, but still

this thread is posted every 3 days and it never fails to have people baiting and people who have never trained giving their highly valuable opinions

what is the point of this

If you use this website 10/10 you dont need self defense because you barely leave your house fatass

>>76475279
I own real estate in the hood so of course I need self defense in case some black people approach me

>>76474113
knives are only useful for bad guys to threaten or attack good guys. pull a knife out on a bad guy threatening you and he'll likely become even more enraged. attempt to use one in self-defense and he'll still be able to bash your skull as he's bleeding out due to adrenaline and drugs.
>but he would die, you'd have to be a complete idiot to attack somebody who has a knife
correct. criminals are low intelligence and high impulsivity and can't be relied on to make sensible decisions. not to mention that if you pull out a deadly weapon in a situation that is not already an active threat to your life (and don't expect the courts to be too generous with that) the you're going to jail yourself.

>>76476427
>active threat to your life (and don't expect the courts to be too generous with that)
how would you know if you are in threat of your life?

The fact courts make it hard is terrible

>>76475212
>since it's the only combat sport that prioritises handfighting and arm control
What about Wing Chun? Thinking about going to this place near me, they seem to emphasize sparring and modern techniques.

>>76469147 (OP)
What ever they do in the infantry.

>>76469147 (OP)
The bible

>>76469147 (OP)
what's stopping you from kicking the savage in the balls x amount of times?

>>76476563
I don't tend to count that as a "combat sport" HOWEVER go train and if you enjoy it, stick with it. That's what matters. Jimmy Smith (pro MMA fighter turned media guy) told a story about when he went to do the episode of Fight Quest on wing chun, how one guy told him he'd been mugged one time and he went on autopilot and chain punched the guy either down to the ground or he ran away (can't remember). Notmies mostly can't fight and any resistance you put up is going to shock them. So yeah go try it out

>>76470350
This is correct. I believe that one guy on youtube, former cop who trained other cops self-defence, said that MAs teach bad self-defence habits. Like silently engaging the opponent without using weapons. Whereas the proper solution would be to yell, bring attention to the situation, kite, run away, improvise weapons, etc.

>>76469147 (OP)
No, you won't. Because the kind of obsessive power and determination to stick with it doesn't come from asking the herd what they think is most goodest. The best ones are the combat sports, because the drawback of being limited by a handful of rules is nowhere near as bad as the drawback of living in an idealized world of forms and never having to stress test your ability to mamage position against fully resisting trained opponent. Of those combat sports, the best one is the one you enjoy enough to stick with. If your goals is self defense, keep in mind that you can usually straight up walk away from a striker, so anti-grappling is a much more important skill set.

>>76476571
Lol, funny jokes. Military mostly can't fight, and the ones that can just got a crash course in a handful of fundamentals they don't train anymore.

>>76469166
Boxing + keeping distance is good
But if you go up against a kicker, you'll probably get floored.
And if they breach your reach and know wrestling, you'll probably get choked out or ground and pounded.
Boxing Vs untrained, is good.

>>76470636
a teep has a much further range than a jab. this is just a delusional take.


btw muay thai is the goat

>>76469147 (OP)
Negromancy

>>76469166
Its fine but if you do sparring but holy shit your IQ drops in dozens.
I had 2 boxer colleagues who I had to train and I have never met people as dumb or slow learning as boxers. Thats on top of complete nose bridge destruction that will fuck up your sleep, turning you into a mouth-breather.
OP and anyone else, if you value your brain and neurons go for grappling or do boxing/kick boxing without sparring. Most fights end up on the ground anyway. Learn basic defense against punches/hooks to not get knocked out like a bitch though.

>>76478294
>OP and anyone else, if you value your brain and neurons go for grappling or do boxing/kick boxing without sparring. Most fights end up on the ground anyway. Learn basic defense against punches/hooks to not get knocked out like a bitch though.
But what if there are multiple people? Black people congregate in gangs

>>76478294
boxing or kickboxing without sparring is just completely useless.

Although i do agree boxers spar too hard, try kickboxing or muay thai OP

>>76478294
just don't go to a meathead gym
spar like a thai, nice and light

>>76478529
Quickly choke one of them on the ground bam, you only deal with 2 now.

Source:We had a 'special' guy in millitary camp visit us and we were told to try and put him to surrender. First came the biggest of our group, but the guy was too nimble for him. Then second was called, so now 2 guys trying to get him - still no go, twinkle toes kept putting one in front of the other and being a nimble fucker. Third guy was called and everyone in line looked at me.

Quickly analyzing situation I thought 2 guys already distracting him from the front, I should go from behind and choke/grapple him for the other two.
The moment I touch him I end up on the ground with him choking me so hard I thought I would lose it. Thankfully he saw me tapping the earth and that was that.

>>76469166
>boxing
Brownoid and nigger shit KYS. Taekwondo or die

>>76478591
>The moment I touch him I end up on the ground with him choking me so hard I thought I would lose it. Thankfully he saw me tapping the earth and that was that.
I need to learn from twinkle toes over there. I don't think I can choke out a fully grown 220 lbs 6'3" man

>>76469147 (OP)
If someone slaps my gfs ass I'm gonna take my gun out of my purse then start blasting in public and hope I don't get shot, then im going to fuck my wife harder that night after she sees what a big boy i am.

>>76478643
If someone slaps my gf then I'm slapping his ass.

>>76478713
I'll fuckin call of duty finisher him

>>76469147 (OP)
self defence against what? car accident? I recommend strongman training

>>76477237
^Weak

>>76469147 (OP)
My goal build for hw ufc
> elite kb/karate, mt, boxing, judo
>grappling mostly wrestling, judo I like to integrate in to striking like mt trips
>just get huge till 5pl8 bench
>big ass tris and delts for boxing at 5pl8, bench/core for my style of wrestling
>3-4pl8 clean for movement and striking
>better sprinting than liss

I'm lucky to have a few mma gyms here, I have a base in wrestling karate boxing, training bjj and mt to get the advanced techniques. I'm just not walking into it if I can wait 2-3yrs and be stronger than people allowed to use steroids.

>>76477237
If you aren't worried about a kick to the chest(longer range) you aren't fighting someone competent.

>>76469147 (OP)
>what is the best martial art for
mma

>>76469147 (OP)
knife fighting
Anyone who gets into a fight unarmed is a brainlet and deserves to get murked

>>76474147
The difference between a full bat swing and a light tap is not comparable to a palm strike, and an elbows. Elbows aren't even weaker than palm strikes to begin with.

>>76480538
>>76474113
>just get a knife and yo-ACK
>>76473779
>>76469147 (OP)
Boxing, better than wrestling or BJJ for 2v1 and 3v1's, the distance and footwork will transfer over to weapon fighting.

>>76469773
>>76470443
>>76470636
>>76471811
As an addendum to my previous post >>76480638
You don't necessarily need to kickbox, but anybody who isn't a crackhead will fall to a well-placed low kick. If you've done kickboxing/MMA before, you'll know how painful and how crippling leg kicks were on your first day.

Most people don't condition their legs for fighitng, so if you just learn a basic leg kick, 2-3 and normies will fall down in pain.

Best grappling I would say is judo, there was a webm going around where somebody blocked a steel pipe and judo threw the guy. I also remember one where he was being attaced by a knife and he judo threw the guy, disarming him. Judo can kill people and unlike wrestling, you don't need to bend over, commit for 3 seconds to a takedown, it's very quick to throw and you stay in a good posture. It's the only grappling art that's viable against multiple attackers.

How is every gym so expensive? I don't see anything under 200 in my area

>>76474156
Germanic whites have too much empathy, slavs and hapas will more likely attack browns

>>76476369
Jew?

>>76471839
For real though. What is the point of attacking someone to fuck them up? What do they gain? A fair fight at least is basically a pro-social activity that will potentially increase your ststus.

>>76470350
I'll just leave this here.

>>76469147 (OP)
>For self defense
There's no such thing because to be good at self defense you need 3 things
-the ability to go from 0 to 100 instantly Because sometimes you'll get cheap shotted
-the ability to instantly end the fight in one move
The quicker you can end a fight the less danger of you being hurt and if there's more people the better you can move to the next person or run
-extensive knowledge about the law to know exactly what you can do without being in trouble.
Everyone always love to say just kill them bro but then you go to prison and get raped by giganiggers, then what was the point if you end up worse.

There's not a single martial art that teaches all of these but all of these are things you can develop from any style as long as you don't fall for the typical training of said martial art.
-wrestling and judo
These the best options because 1 they will give you the physicality to overpower anyone but there's a catch, judo is the better option because it helps to control the arms in case they have a weapon and you can throw someone and it's a fight ender without ever going to the ground but judo no longer teaches how to close the distance or deal with strikes.
Wrestling has the problem that it mostly goes for leg takedowns which lead to the ground and you must avoid the ground plus the same problem as judo

-boxing, muay thai, kickboxing
All of these are great options to learn fight ending shots but the problem is that none of them actively teach how to throw perfect fight ending one shots because they all operate under the assumption that the fight will go to decision, so you have to perfect ko shots by yourself

-bjj, karate, tkd
These can work if you focus on the points described and train for strength but these are the worst options by far, just pick wrestling or judo plus a striking style.

>>76480391
i've seen this larp of you before, if you're bodybuilding for heavyweight mma competition, you're going to get utterly humiliated, especially since you aparently aren't even going to the MMA gym in the meantime? i can't tell if this is an elaborate retarded troll or not.
past heavyweight your weight and strength will simply have diminishing returns and skill really does matter much more than your bench. you would fucking shrink just getting the minimum amount of cardio to not die in the first round.

>>76469147 (OP)
Definitely not jiu-jitsu.

Saw firsthand a guy take another guy down, people started chimping out, yelling: "stand up, stand up, let him go" and as he start doing some shit another guy ran up and punted him in the head.
He lay there staring at the sky moaning/crying with his hand up like a zombie.

>>76482450
>There's not a single martial art that teaches all of these
There is one they fear...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZueJTKUeNE

>>76469147 (OP)
Unironically kravmaga. The rest are just brain damage clubs.

>>76482607
brain damage is a prerequisite to get scammed by krabby magoo

>>76478529
>But what if there are multiple people? Black people congregate in gangs
A gun. Boxing isnt going to save you.

>>76482607
But Krav Maga is a fake fighting LARP club.

>>76482818
This

>>76478529
There's only one solution
> Pic related

>>76482456
For cardio I'd do sprints for a few weeks yearly around lifting and leading into competition. Martial arts practice I don't wanna run into roiders not tested by usada much before these benchmarks, concussions can give you parkinsons look at freddie roach.

>>76483364
anything amateur is probably going to be untested, regardless, you'll get knocked out first round if you don't actually train MMA, i dont know what you mean by "base" but if you aren't actively competing the past year in boxing wrestling etc you don't have a "base". lifting doesn't translate to fighting skill and at a certain point just becomes a detriment, if you plan on "sprinting a few weeks yearly" for cardio you will only get injured and its not even 1/4th the cardio/conditioning you need for a fight, training for any fight takes around 6 weeks of sometimes twice a day training including conditioning and sparring. this is some of the dumbest shit i have read in these threads and that says a lot.

>>76469147 (OP)
Well Big Boss and Solid Snake use CQC which is a form of Judo so there’s your answer

>>76469166
Sounds good, it's amazing cardio.
I meet my girlfriend that way, unfortunstely I hurt my rotator cuff so I can't spar until I recover from surgery (had it 2 weeks ago)

>>76470569
Which?

>>76483885
What's your gf like?

Why do suburbanoid americans have such a strange attitude towards street fighting?
>your best option is to just run bro
Making it sound like it's a battle to the death or something. You guys genuinely have never been in a single fight ever? Not even a scuffle when you was in high school?

>>76469339
how about asians?

>>76486281
I'm not black