Thread 76473681

Will my health improve if I quit vegetable oils and only use lard and butter to cook? Have you done it?

>>76473681 (OP)
I only switched to olive oil. I can't say much has changed, things just taste better and less greasy. Maybe a little less inflammation overall, but I also take supplements to lower inflammation.

>>76473681 (OP)
why would there be seed oils in cake? its all butter and cream

>>76473681 (OP)
rare picture of a 43 years old woman who actually looks like a 43 years old woman and not 60
minus the grey hair, i hope it's a dye

nott immediately noticeable difference,
But ive sworn off seed oils, i use butter and waygu tallow / avacado oil. its not a seed but a pulp oil

>>76473681 (OP)
What the fuck is going on with that pantry?

>>76473681 (OP)
>Will my health improve if I quit vegetable oils
yes

>and only use lard and butter to cook?
aaand you just ruined your health again

replacing slob with slob doesn't do anything anon

the problem is too much fat in your diet
>if the type of fat ever gets a problem
YOU'RE EATING TOO MUCH FAT

>>76473681 (OP)
my arthritis rarely ever flares up now that I keep sneed oils to a minimum

Is coconut oil considered a "sneed" oil?

>>76473681 (OP)
>no seed oils
What does she think chocolate is

>>76473718
She looks better than many girls who already hit the wall at 25-30

>>76473781
The only issue I see with this is that low fat will also cause issues, on a 120g protein 100g carb 30-40g fat rn and I can feel the change in libido

>>76473886
"sneed" oils are considered bad because of high content of PUFAs, coconut oil has like 2% of PUFAs

>>76473681 (OP)
Being this insane about food can't lead to anything but issue with you psyche. I just try to not eat complete shit and fast food and follow macros protein mostly.

>>76473898
>getting 1/4th calories from fat
>can feel the change in libido
you're on the lower side of the "optimal range"

try adding 5-10g of fat
you can safely do that
maybe chose ones that are digested slowly, like from nuts

>>76473718
She has more make up than icing on that cake retardo. Look at her eyes.

>>76473983
>*LE SIGH* WHY WONT YOU PEOPLE JUST EAT THE STUFF MAKING YOU SICK?? BE NORMAL!!!!

>>76473681 (OP)
Cardio would serve you better than memeing about seed oils

>>76473681 (OP)
yes and yes
evo oil is good and coconut and avocado oil are also good

>>76473681 (OP)
>43
Did she crack her eggs to make that cake

>>76473681 (OP)
>"German" chocolate cake
There's plenty of traditional german chocolate cakes, but none look like that. Mutts gonna mutt, I guess.

>>76473714
>use margarine when asked for butter
>there is now seed oil

>>76473983
yes and no
the reason america has an obesity crisis and much of the rest of the world doesnt is because of lower food standards and zero walkability. walkability isn't something that is easy to change, unless you're willing and able to move to cities such as NYC, DC, SF, or Chicago.
Food standards, though, are something that you can control. People like to blame companies, but it is ultimately because the gov't refuses to uphold the same requirements that places like the EU does. the "went to europe, ate whatever i wanted, and lost 10 pounds" meme is real because of the quality of food AND the natural requirement to walk everywhere

>>76474641
if it's so hard to walk everywhere have you tried... running

>>76474691
>walkability score: 0
>runability score: 100

>>76473718
Would creampie repeatedly

>>76473718
she looks 29 desu

>>76474817
Where do you live that 29yo women look like that? So I make a note not to visit ever

>>76474817
No she definitely looks 40+ zoomerbro...

>>76473718
Most women would look like that at 43 if they avoided weird skin care snake oil, never shaved or bleached their hair, and most importantly, never let themselves get fat. The wall is such a self curse and women are completely clueless they’re sabotaging each other

Y'all on crack. She looks 40-something 100%.

>>76474817
this guy definitely lives in the american south or midwest

>>76473681 (OP)
Yes, just be sure you replace those fats instead of adding more.

>>76473681 (OP)
Chocolate is made from the seeds of the cacao tree, specifically the cacao bean

>>76474844
I'm from Latvia, and that girl just has silver hair thats it.

>>76473681 (OP)
makes no differences it's all FUD.

>>76473681 (OP)
I add butter, eggs, red meat, and fish to my diet every few days at least. Now I see gains every session since I've dialed in technique and carb/protein timing.

>>76473714
Cakes use oil dumbass.

>>76475253
Fats cholesterol and nutrients are what build hormones, there's also a ton of different fats that I'd assume you don't want to be deficient in.

>>76473681 (OP)
you should make cakes with butter. if you are going to eat a cake, eat a proper cake.

>>76473781
Fat is critical for hormone production. You're retarded.
>>76473681 (OP)
Yes and yes. I'm now disgusted by sneed oils (they smell rancid and horrible) and I'll never go back.

>>76473886
Coconut oil is much better than seed oils since it's high in saturated fat and low in PUFAs, but tallow and ghee are even better.

>>76475929
>muh must consoooom the oil for fat
where did I write to not to eat fat
get it from nuts, seeds, fatty fruit, legumes etc.
unprocessed fats

but then again
it has minimal impact
most people just consume too much fat
especially saturated and Omega 6, which amplifies the problem

>disgusted by sneed oils
>posts pic of guy literally advocating for seed oils
knobbe is a retard
but he's right about Omega-6
flaxseed is, from a pure direct health perspective, the best ones, but pretty useless for cooking, where rapeseed would be the preferred one

>>76475929
>screenshot a YouTube video.

Good thing we have actual human data that shows that seed oils are better for us than just about every other fat.

>>76473889
>What does she think chocolate is
beans?

>>76476230
>we have actual human data that shows that seed oils are better for us than just about every other fat
No we don't lmao. The scientific consensus is that seed oils are still terrible for you because their o6:o3 ratio is fucked (ALA only converts to EPA at a 10% rate at most and DHA conversion is so low it might as well be ignored). They're only recommended because a fucked o6:o3 ratio is still better than a SFA overdose.

The only plant oil that matters is EVOO, and even that has a lot of o6 and has to be consumed in moderation. Eat more fish.

>>76475982
>the problem is too much fat in your diet
>where did I write to not to eat fat
Are you retarded or just pretending to be?
>>76476230
>human data that says seed oils are good for you
Sure thing, Goldberg. That thing that was invented this century and doesn't even qualify as food by any reasonable metric, oxidizes quickly at room temperature and provides 0 nutrition is the healthiest thing on the planet.

>>76476230
>human data that shows that seed oils are better
there is none. the most rigorous clinical trials showed worse outcomes from seed oils. more death more cancer more obesity etc. industrial copium incoming

>>76476291
Wrong. Studies have shown better health outcomes even over olive oil.
>https://lipidworld.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12944-021-01433-9
And we have tons of evidence of it over animal fats
>https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2831265
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000291652200778X
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000291652200778X?via%3Dihub
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39133482/
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8048052/
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121943/
>>76476809
>That thing that was invented this century and doesn't even qualify as food by any reasonable metric, oxidizes quickly at room temperature and provides 0 nutrition is the healthiest thing on the planet.
Novelty has nothing to do with health outcomes. I never said it was the healthiest thing not he planet, just that it's better than other fat sources and especially animal fats
>>76476885
>there is none
See above. But lmao at that statement. I'm sure every major dietary organization in the world that recommends olive/seed oil is just pulling it out of their ass.
>most rigorous clinical trials.
>“Incidence of cancer in men on a diet high in polyunsaturated fat”
Lmao, how exactly was that study rigorouss? And why do you choose it over hundreds of study from this decade?
>ZERO methodology
>ZER data on participant selection and dietary details
>cancer had nothing to do with the study until years later, so who knows what kind of confounders weren't accounted for originally.
>NEVER been repeated, despite it being done in the fucking 70's
pathetic. like where the fuck do you dig this shit out of? Why not just look at more recent and better evidence. Oh wait because it doesn't align with your retarded scare tactics and victimizing.

>>76477044
>how exactly was that study rigorouss?
there are exactly TWO double blind RCTs on seed oils that are of any length. that was a secondary paper from one of them. every study you posted is worthless

>>76477044
Also they were almost all smokers on both sides. what the fuck kind of "rigorous" evidence is this?
>"hurrrr these groups of retired vets who smokes all their lives got more cancer than this group, must be da seed oils!"

You anti-seed oil retards cling to the dumbest fucking straws.

>>76477044
>Why not just look at more recent and better evidence
the recent "evidence" is not more better. its objectively worse in almost every way

>>76473681 (OP)
Lard for veggies and olive oil for meat. Lard for baking unless you like the taste of the olive oil.
I've changed many things in my diet but I've gone from almost size 40 pants down to a 32 in a year.(checked with doctor, no diabetes or other sickness)
Cut the seed oils.
Cut pork.
Cut sugar and carbs. No pasta and breads.
Lots of fruit, yogurt, milk. Lots of veggies, potatoes, beef and chicken.

>>76477050
>every study you posted is worthless
lmao gonna shit your pants too?

>>76477054
your brain is toast. that supports seed oils being even worse retard. the fact that the heart disease benefit was temporary in the seed oil group and they still had a long-term increase in cancer looks much worse when we find out that heavy and moderate smoking was concentrated in the animal fat group.

>>76473718
>rare picture of a 43 years old woman who actually looks like a 43
She looks way older than 43...

>>76477056
It doesn't irk you even the slightest bit that your studies from the 70's have not been repeated yet we have hundreds of studies spanning hundreds of thousands of people showing repeatable results that seed oils are healthy?

>>76477066
authors of >>76477062 said future RCTs on seed oils should be longer than eight years. nobody is going to do that so you get crap like what you posted

>>76477062
I mean I screenshotted the data, no need to post another slide form your YouTube video or whatever grifter is sending you these. The majority of them smoking a pack a day pretty much discredits the entire thing, alongside everything else I mentioned. What were they eating and what was the diet plan like? Who were these people and what history did they have?

None of this is "rigorous". Absolute trash and I bet you're one of those who blows off even the highest quality epidemiology. You're just a tool who parrots grifters online.

>>76477079
>double blind trial
>not rigorous
>now check out this epidemiology
my sides are in effort. done with this retard lmfao

>>76477079
>>76477079
>double blind trial
>not rigorous
>now check out this epidemiology
my sides are in orbit. heres some "highest quality" shit you can eat lmfao

>>76477083
Double blind means fucking nothing if you don't control for confounders you fucking idiot. We don't know the cancer history, they mostly smoked a pack a day for likely their whole life, we don't even know how the diet was laid out and it's a fucking feeding study.

I did a reverse search of those picture and it takes me to a fucking keto/carnivore blog article. You're just parroting what this grifter is saying with no idea of what any of it means.
https://chrismasterjohnphd.substack.com

>>76477098
>retard cant google for a simple pubmed article
do go on boy genius. tell me about rigor. surely youve got some 20 year perfect RCT theyve been hiding somewhere. ill hold my breath under the bridge i can sell you

>>76473681 (OP)
>grey at 43
Wtf

>>76473681 (OP)
>Avoids seed oils
>Covers it in seeds
????

>>76473781
Too much bad fat is still too little good fat it’s about the ratio. They also get stored in your body and when they get burned they still tip the ratio possibly years in the future

>>76474641
The rest of the world has an obesity crisis as well. Just because they're as fat as Americans were in 2000 rather than 2025 doesn't mean there isn't a problem for them as well.

>>76477057
>using lard for cooking
>cut out pork
Huh?

>>76477117
She's naturally pretty though with not a lot of makeup.

>>76473986
This guy has never touched a woman let alone seen one without makeup. Most women look close to that without it.

>>76473691
>I only switched to olive oil
I switched to olive oil too (from butter) - my skin is noticeably less greasy.

>>76476809
>b-but less equals nothing, r-right
go back to elementary school and learn reading

in my country, people on average eat
>~79g fat
>~73g protein
>~229g carbs
>per day
the average has already has too much fat in it

most people should be eating LESS fat
not 0, just LESS

>>76477966
You are just being pedantic instead of admitting you were wrong. Regardless, no one is "eating too much fat." They're just eating the wrong sources of fat aka PUFAs from sneed oils. There's no such thing as eating too much butter. Animal fats have been a staple of human diets for hundreds of thousands of years and provide cholesterol and fat-soluble vitamins like k2 and D, which most people are deficient in these days. Read Weston A. Price if you actually want to learn something about nutrition (but you probably don't based on the arrogance of your regarded posts).
>>76477044
>Novelty has nothing to do with health outcomes.
You're beyond delusional if you think that something produced in a factory is healthier than something natural that we evolved to eat. Seed oil is CLEARLY pro-inflammatory and unhealthy, but you don't even need studies to figure this out. Just use logic for 3 seconds and it will become obvious. Seed oils are the quintessential goyslop, and you're either a shill or a fool for promoting them.

>>76478029
>wrong sources of fat aka PUFAs
only... that PUFAs are associated with all kind of positive health effects
curious
>inb4 muh all modern science is wrong, but trust my study from 195x

>like k2 and D, which most people are deficient in these days.
like no!?
the most common deficiencies (in western / central Europe) are (in that order)
>Iron > iodine > Vit D / B12 > Calcium > Vit A > Magnesium
and that's with the average diet that includes plenty of animal fats

notable that vit D deficiency is mainly a problem for old people & basement dwellers (You)
and old people literally cannot solve their deficient by just eating more (they can't absorb it that way in enough quantities)

>Read Weston A. Price
KEK
the epitome of making conclusion based on vibes
and even before 1950s...
let me guess next you're gonna quote Elmer McCollum?

>>76478029
>something produced in a factory is healthier than something natural
mhh i should get some all natural death cap

>that we evolved to eat
evolutionary arguments are logical fallacies for a reason
people today live longer and healthier than EVER in human history

>nooo b-b-but Seed oil is c-clearly pro-inflammatory
that anon posted some pretty good and reputable studies / reviews
yet
you just say
>trust me bro
cool, i guess

>Just use logic
holy shit, you're really one of """those"""" people
kek
i guess someone has to be on the left side of the IQ normal distribution

>>76478029
>you're beyond delusional if you think that something produced in a factory is healthier than something natural that we evolved to eat
Absolutely. you cannot prove otherwise.
>Seed oil is CLEARLY pro-inflammatory and unhealthy
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34635132/
>Flaxseed intervention suggested the positive effects on lipid profiles, inflammatory cytokines and anthropometric indices in patients with dyslipidemia related diseases
>you don't even need studies to figure this out
Haha I know you don't. You just care about emotional arguments and how certain foods make you feel. You sound like a 50yo Facebook mom.

>>76473681 (OP)
I don't do this and life is bad.
Will my life be good if I make an organic German chocolate cake with no seed oils?

>>76473681 (OP)
Either that's a really small woman or that's a really big cake.

>walkability
I went for a run in April and a guy yelled at me "GET A REAL JOB!" from his car and I haven't walked out my front door except to drive my car since then

>>76473718
I love the salt and pepper look on an older woman.

>>76473681 (OP)
>Brags on using no seed oils
>Covers the cake in the most omega-6 laden nut known to man
Women

>>76477062
>your brain is toast.
Many such cases. Sad!

>>76473714
Oil instead of butter

>>76478658
Every single animal has an evolutionarily appropriate diet except for humans according to people like you. You have to be mentally retarded to actually believe that.

>>76479146
Correct. I don't need a study to know that seed oils are bad for me the same way I don't need a study to know that stepping into a fire is bad for me. If someone is a delused sciencefag like you, though, there are plenty of studies showing that sneed oils are bad for you, which you would know if you had actually investigated the problem instead of just cherry-picking studies that confirm your biases. Ray Peat has a bunch of them linked in hus articles. You could also just search for it on pubmed and stop ignoring the studies that don't confirm your braindead bias.

>>76483373
>I don't need a study to know that stepping into a fire is bad for me
so you can easily describe the immediate physical harm it will cause if you eat seed oil?

>>76483392
>getting trolled by Peatards
lol, stop man you deserve better

>>76473681 (OP)
>avoids seed oil, cake is full of seeds
>also full of chocolate which is in fact made with seed fat (cocoa)
lmao

>>76483365
>Every single animal has an evolutionarily appropriate diet
KEK
only that animals live way longer and (physically) more healthy when fed by humans
so much for """evolutionary appropriate"""

seed oils are an odd place to start anyway
almost NOTHING in your modern diet is "evolutionary appropriate"
you'd be eating roots, nuts, organs and bone marrow for fat otherwise
and not bitch about industrial farmed butter / tallow / lard from overbred mutant animals