>>76475465 (OP)
I used to follow this fag and I even did his "Bayesian curls" when I first started until a Caucasian roider walked to me and introduced me to rich piana and Larry wheels

>>76475465 (OP)
Only faggots care about fitness influencers. Also, what did he do?

>>76475465 (OP)
I haven't watched it, but let me guess his argument - x guy in year 1805 did y, so hussein is natty and here the study that proves it.

I genuinely don't care, his older vids I find valuable to a point for people starting out, and don't really care if he's not natty or whatever.

>>76475506
That's (almost) literally what he says lol.

>>76475510
You are a beginner so why do you chime in with an answer if your input is as useful as a swimsuit in the sahara?

not interested in manufactured "controversy". natty or not is the most boring topic in fitness, fake natty videos are the lowest level of slop content

>>76475606
what kind of content does your high majesty consume daily?

>>76475553
Just because I think that his videos are still good for beginners regardless of his natty status doesn't mean that I'm still a beginner you retarded nigger

>>76475553
Only the guy with the best genetics of all time who has done a perfect program for his entire life will be able to know what is truly achievable natty. Obsessing about fake natties is purely the realm of coping genelets and dyels.

>>76475613
Sandy cheeks cock vore

>>76475674
midwit take

>>76475465 (OP)
how does he manage to lift weights to the point of becoming a fitness personality, and still look like such a fag?

>>76475715
this

>>76475715
>>76475775
There's another thread about this and the last reply was literally a guy coping about not being big. This is the most delusional and mentally ill board I visit and that's including /lgbt/.

>>76475719
it must be the glasses because there's nothing inherently faggy about anything else in that photo

>>76475816
i don't know
there's something about the eyes

>>76475830
I think Jeff is a true nerd and I find it endearing. He is still a redditbrained fag though.

>>76475719
>buzzcut
>beard
>above average muscle mass
On paper he should look like an absolute menace but somehow he doesn't

>>76475816
ParasitepillED

>>76475800
imagine being unironically retarded without even trying

>>76475932
Imagine being a mentally ill and coping noble natty and also having absolutely zero self-awareness. Oh wait you don't have to.

>>76475487
did a vid where he called a bunch of roided up zoomers natty
thats did sat very well specially when you spend years building yourself as a bastion of natural weighlifting

>>76475715
i have to agree with him, to bad he had to end his sentence with "coping genelets and dyels", fukin fagget

>>76475465 (OP)
science based gaslighting

>>76476111
checked

>>76475465 (OP)
youtube drama queen makes another thread on /fit/ about his latest video that 11year olds really care about

>>76475465 (OP)
Fake natty defends fellow fake natties. Tale as old as steroids.
https://youtu.be/kLUDYUVnVng?si=_aISVOmVr7XCwhrl&t=191

>>76475719
honestly he should do more shrugs and neck curls

Only 6 months ago Jeff was considered a small science nerd and now people smaller than him are being accused of being fake natty. It's amazing how much and how fast the pendulum swings in the fitness industry.
I hope this debacle gets a lot of the blackpilled genelets to either kill themselves with roids or quit lifting altogether as I'm tired of having to put up with these faggots.

Also, this convinced me we have to bully everyone with a videogame or anime pfp out of lifting. Nerds don't deserve to partake in our hobby and not gatekeeping them out of lifting has led us to this current shitshow where the smallest and weakest faggots get to dictate what is or isn't achievable without any pushback.
If you have been lifting for over 2 years and you're still small and haven't reached 1/2/3/4 you don't have what it takes, get the fuck out.

>>76476179
>Get the fuck out
I disagree, WAGMI
>Gets to dictate what is or isn't achievable
It's the internet, mate, people are gonna say what comes to their mind. Just ignore it
>>76475465 (OP)
I like some of his videos, especially the one where he discusses neck training, but I disliked that video a lot, I also agree these natty or not videos are insanely boring, I couldn't get past 5mins of it before thinking
>Hold on, why do I give a shit about this? Oh right, I don't
Then I turned it off and went back whatever I was doing that day

>>76475719
He has those sorta mongoloid eyes that some scandinavians seem to have. Also eyes are slightly too close together or look like that with those glasses. Ginger genetics also.

I think the oversized sweater is also kinda soft and makes him look fat and girly.

Oh and dick sucking lips.

Very uncanny looking guy and has no soul.

Tbh muscle size isn't everything anyways. Like, I think this guy might be too big so he just looks like he's in the wrong body or something. I believe he could look better as some sort of scary skinny but ripped methhead in a nazi prison gang. Dunno I hate tattoos but this guy is bland as fuck in every way he could use some trashy marks.

>>76475719
he's four feet small

He's so short that he lives rent free inside your mind.

That aside, the muslim guy is not natural

>>76475510
His videos are trash. If you aren'ta BB with a coach the showing up is more important than autism. Sam sulek videos inspire me to lift because of how much fun he's having. I'll watch some clips while I drink my pre-workout espresso and get ready for a fun session.

anyone who pushes stretch-mediate hypertrophy is a fucking mongoloid

Newfags still believe niptard is natty?

why is he doing my boy brandon like that?

>>76476179
Bro you are a nerd. You’re on fucking 4chan

>>76475486
The fact that he pronounces it as 'bayezhun' is so absolutely retarded. Does he not know who Bayes is?

>>76475506
i only saw the first like 5 minutes and he immediately goes into
>this dude in 1848 is natty

This kid is pathetic

>>76475719
he doesn't have the phenotype to be his size
that's what happens when natural born nerds lift weights, they just look overgrown

>>76477029
me in the red shirt pondering the nature of glutes

>>76475465 (OP)
You either die a small Internet celebrity or live long enough to become a lolcow

>>76477563
>screencapped his own post
lol

>>76477659
can't sleep, jeff?

>>76477667
no fuck jeff, just funny to screencap a yt comment with 10 upvotes

>>76476179
Steroids arent all just about size, its about a specific look they give you, and yes, even those 130lbs guys you see who look like genetic phenoms are roiding, they just arent eating enough calories to weigh more than 130lbs, but the steroids give their body a really crazy appearance, that is only possible with steroids

You're the low IQ subhuman mutt who thinks steroids is only about weight/size, its actually mostly about how steroids make your body look ( AT ANY WEIGHT)


A 150lb natural lifter will look NOTHING like a 150lbs roiding lifter, the roiding lifter will have fully crazy popping muscles, and the 150lbs natty will have soft deflated looking muscles, all while being the same bodyfat% and weight

Steroids literally morph your body into a dense and hard, popping, muscular looking phenomenon, and it doesn't matter what weight you are. .

>>76477563
The comments are pretty funny

>>76477563
>year of our lord 2025
>still thinks "peer reviewed" means jack shit

>>76475506
Yeah while also refusing to address the fact the dude 100 years ago trained a lot longer and harder while the fag he's defending became mr olympia in 18 months (Nippstein is also lying that it was 3 years and not 1.5).

>>76475465 (OP)
Comments are going hard.

>>76475465 (OP)

>>76475465 (OP)
>Hello tall jacked man
>Are you open to taking some Scionce based lifting advice from a cheeky little manlet like myself

>>76475719
lack of traps from using machines

>>76475465 (OP)
He's loyal at least.

>>76477929
Like a pug

>>76475465 (OP)

>>76475719
>head to small for body
>weird lips
>shaved head and gay beard

buy an ad faggot next shitty thread

>>76475719
>>76475465 (OP)
He is a canadafags

>>76475845
>>buzzcut
>fade
>>beard
>neatly trimmed
>>above average muscle mass
>5'5
he looks exactly as youd think he would

how many years has /fit/ been shitting on jeff? must be at least 7 by now. kek manlets when they learn

I always wondered why he never got a hotter girlfriend, considering the money he has.

She has the hips of a 12 year old boy and generic browny immigrant face.

>>76478105
he means he looks soft as fuck when he in reality, he should look the complete opposite captain autismo

It's 2025 and the most successful people in society are still not the smartest scientists, but the biggest con-men who act like scientists.

>>76476209
"WAGMI" toxic optimism is why we're at this point
Some people are simply not destined to be anything other than punching bags and clowns

>>76478175
You be the first punching bag

>>76475510
>>76476788
>my roidtranny is better than your roidtranny at motivating my natty ass!
lmfaoo

>>76476179
>small science nerd
you fucking newfag

>>76478175
what do you expect?
Early gen z is almost 30 have the generation that is almost 30 stilln thinns they're gonna be millionares even though half of them have done nothing with their lives

>>76478225
half not have*

>>76478124
because her last girlfriend left him for the owner of gymshark or whatever the popular brand is called

>>76478212
I'm 100% confident I've been posting here and lifting longer than you have. Not that posting here is something to brag about.

Every 3 years or so we get a new wave of "everyone bigger than me is fake natty" because the kids who started lifting 3 years and hopped on every fad (this last round it was muh biomechanics do everything with cables, then high volume, then full ROM and super controlled form, then lengthened partials, then lengthened bias, then fatigue management pseudo-HIT, then obsessing over stability and biomechanics 2.0 etc) without getting any results get jealous when they see a few of their peers making progress faster than them.
The standards for what is natty achievable also go up and down all the time. Right now the standards are very low because tearing down everyone who's not DYEL became popular again.

>>76478317
im 100% confident that you havent

>>76478225
i don't even know what you are trying to say here

>>76478323
retard

>>76475510
Nippard is most likely natty. He is certainly bigger than most natties, but both of his parents were bodybuilders, he's been lifting for more than 20 years, and he's quite short so he doesn't need to gain as much sheer mass as someone tall to look big.
The controversy is:
>Nippard is a manlet who has become pretty big after natty bodybuilding for 20+ years
>Zoomers who have not even been alive for as long as Nippard has been lifting and are also half a foot taller (or more) than Nippard are bigger than him after lifting for less than 3 years are claiming to be natty
>For some reason, Nippard defends them as natty even though they are obviously not
He has damaged his credibility dramatically

his faggot voice is his worst trait, legit worse than douchette's screeching

>>76478650
Niptard admits to ordering steroids bc he was caught ordering them and claims he didn't take them because they just never arrived. While saying this, he does all the textbook signs of lying. He is basically just doing the Shaggy defense and is 99.99% not natty.
See >>76476139

>>76475719
Everyday, Orson Welles on Woody Allen becomes more true

>>76475816
>that particular combination of arrogance and timidity sets my teeth on edge. Like all people with timid personalities his arrogance is unlimited.

>>76478650
The thing you niggers don't seem to understand is that natty gains are not linear, you make most of your gains in your first 2-5 years lifting seriously, a bit longer if you start out training badly, a bit less if you stumble upon a good program or have a good coach on your first year.
Jeff has looked more or less the same for over a decade.

>>76478679
That's even worse then lol, I was mostly just going by "yeah a guy his height could definitely get that big after 20 years of natty lifting"

Going on gear for that result is pretty hilarious

>>76478690
see
>>76477789

Are you seriously saying this is achievable 2 years natty?

>>76478702
Not 2, but lifting seriously through puberty maybe 5-ish?
His physique isn't even all that impressive, it's just halo effect from the freaky biceps. His shoulders are pretty small, chest is ok, back is ok and legs are probably small. He also isn't anywhere near as lean as people say he is, he looks to be ~16% bodyfat in that pic.
>b-but muh DEXA scan
DEXA is notoriously unreliable.
>b-but Larry Wheels said his condition is-
That's called flattery.

The fact of the matter you guys are inflating his numbers beyond what even he has claimed (and he probably lied to make himself look more impressive) to justify the fake natty accusation.

>>76478757
The point is the guy was a twig for 15 years, all of the gains happened in 18 months and he hasn't changed at all in following two years. That's not natty.

>>76478838
That's how I know you're just jumping on a bandwagon and regurgitating talking points. Those are the reasons to accuse Hussein of being fake natty, not the black kid.

>>76478859
i don't differentiate between them, yes
both are roided

>>76475719
By being Canadian and a liberal. Nothing can compensate for the level of faggotry that combination produces.

>>76478683
he cooked

>>76479017
That perfectly describes my feelings towards a few people I know/work with. I never knew how to put it until reading this
>combination of timidity and arrogance
perfect

>>76479071
It’s perfect, I always meet women like this. I did meet a guy like this and felt exactly as Orson did. Some little waif of a dude.

>>76479017
>he is timid so i should just be able to walk over him
>how dare he fake his niceness forcing me to also be nice!
>yeah he hates himself but is a narcissist, its not me hating myself for not dominating

lmao you fuckers have no self-awareness, Chaplin disease my ass

>>76479243
Get some reading comprehension

>>76479017
kek

>>76475719
>how does he manage to lift weights to the point of becoming a fitness personality, and still look like such a fag?
By being Canadian

>>76479546
>that image
hahahahahahah

>>76478175
ngmi

>>76475465 (OP)
He's so done now.

>>76475516
Post more.

>>76475719
Is he stealing connor's most infamous look?

>>76475465 (OP)
>Yeah so I know that every indicator points to this guy using roids
>But what if he's just one in a billion? Have you ever thought about that? huh?? Check mate

Every time I read his stupid name I have to look at his nipples
Also roidfag, 100%. Only a matter of time before he admits it.

>>76475465 (OP)
proud to say i never watched a video from this queer

>>76483905
is he really only 155cm?

He is not the same since the choke sucker attack. He is trying too hard now to cozy up to other influencers because he is aware that many people dislike his science based obession.

>>76477029
I fucking hope he didnt roid for a 4pl8 deadlift anon

WWTL?

>>76483905
You know that he would have rounded up at least a couple inches, so this guys height must ACTUALLY start with a '4'.

>>76475465 (OP)
what controversy

>>76485220
See >>76476029
>>76478511

>>76485225
what was he thinking lmao

>>76477090
But Bayes is pronounced BAH-yez.

>>76485227
There is a finite amount of videos you can make in the space of
>erm ackchually the brachialis burns glycogen at this rate of micrograms per second, compared to the quad, which has been averaged at that rate of micrograms per second, and this is the reason why you can't do a single leg squat and dumbbell curl at the same time and maintain max efficiency in either. It's a bit like trying to dry your hair while the fan is on in a ghetto apartment bathroom. One of them will lose efficiency!
Type videos. He has hit the limit. There isn't a topic he has already covered. He must now become a regular fitness guy that just thinks its cool to record himself working out.

This drama made me realise he probably deserved getting beat up in that gym.

>>76485293
Do you have a video?

>>76486778
not him and a better quality webbum would be welcome but >>76483933

>>76475719
It’s because he projects insecurity. That much muscle mass on a short guy will always look uncanny. Closest female equivalent would be a woman who is a make up influencer that is also fat; you would automatically assume the make up obsession is due to the fact she’s overweight.

What's the controversy? That someone could be over 25FFMI naturally? That's obviously possible considering I myself have an FFMI of 25.5 and only lift twice a week.

Most people need steroids to get there but not everyone does.

>>76487138
You got there in 18 months from being a twink previously?

>>76475465 (OP)
nah he'll find a second career as a fun-size bottom
and make as much or even more money

>>76487231
No I played football in hs and have been lifting half-assed for over a decade

I was almost always the biggest kid in school and have 21.5" calves and don't work them out

>>76475553
>You are a beginner
oh boy, you're 'that guy' LOL

"Science" is the new religion. Just throw that word around and impressionable midwits will believe you no matter what retarded bullshit you spout.

>>76475465 (OP)
I don't follow him, what's the TL:DR controversy?

>>76477029
i dont believe any youtuber is natty. even if they are 5'3.

>>76478650
>both of his parents were bodybuilders
this makes me think he 100% grew up around PEDs and his parents can help him get them and use them

thats a strike against him if anything

If your financial career depended on how you look, why would you not do TRT?

>>76487345
You're not replacing testosterone though, you're roiding.

>>76487361
There's no difference

>>76487345
is it TRT if you are 30 and taking 2x what a TRT dose would be?

>>76487373
Yes

>>76487284
Exactly. Meanwhile what I described is what Jeff Nippstein claimed to be natty.

>>76476179
>blackpilled genelets
even if nature dealt you a bad hand, you still play the hand you're dealt

>>76475510
Mentzers recordings/advice if you want muscle not the oompa loompa

>>76487345
because my life satisfaction is in part based on my income and in another part based on not being an absolute faggot

>>76487755
How is does doing trt make you a faggot?

>>76475719
He's Canadian, I believe.

>>76487784
>Canadian
I frowned when I read that word

>>76475719

The voice is like 1 octave too high + no real struggle in his eyes

Dude came up years ago in the golden age of views and videomaking , was on a linear sports kinesiology track for a long time , won bodybuilding comps as a teen or some shit, comfortable upbringing I'm sure, etc etc. He's had a relatively comfortable and a bougie life by a 4channers standards.

He's also one of those smug liberals in like vancouver after the money hit, they are all somewhat fag leaning / fag adjacent and like this poster mentioned >>76479017 - hides his arrogance in timidity like many many MANY liberals. Fundamentally coward behavior.

So he can masculinize with the buzzcut and the beard but it wont look like >>76483822 connor mcgregor because conor has been through some real shit and we all know it.

You can put a lion suit on a cat but it is still a house cat

>>76475465 (OP)
Only the DYEL community finds the “natty or not” discussion interesting to engage with. I’m fucking tired of it.

>>76488026
It doesn't even matter because most guys that are on roids also look like dyel/natties

>>76477783
100%

I was natty until age 30.

My measurements have chsnged maximum 2cm on limbs, 4 cm on torso, that was mid bulk. I assume some size has since been lost on my cut.

So I'm nearly the same size as I always was. But when bulking, my strength was going up consistently faster than ever, and visually I look way better and more full, to see me, people likely wouldn't belive I have put no mass on by the tape measure. It just shaped up different.

>>76488711
Im also only 4kg heavier when I started, putting on 7kg in I assume water in like 2-3 days. So by that, when I drop 4 morr kg, I'm back to start weight, similar measurements, but look worlds better.

>>76478105
>5.5
I understand why women don't like small muscular men now, they are 100% right, they look so wired.

>>76477842
>shits on peer reviewed
>has nothing better
Kek, now que the bitching about how anecdotal stories from gym bros and the advice of dudes that are most likely juicing is somehow better for a natty to be listening to.

Bodybuilding is in his family (genes) and he'a short. There's no controversy.

>>76475465 (OP)
Should've addressed the 3 years working out guy getting his gains in actually half that time, and only half of that was at the gym. And the other dude with arms nearly as big as Larry Wheels having no idea how much weight he can lift (couldn't even do 3 reps of his "warmup" weight).

>>76490280
He's not nearly as big as Larry Wheels at all, people say that to make his natty claim more ridiculous but you can watch the video and see he's very cleary quite a bit smaller in all muscle groups.
Also, as for him failing after 3 reps with "warmup" weight, it could've been just a misgrooved set but it was most likely him being a 19 year old kid trying to impress his idol.

>>76490307
I'm only claiming that about his arms: https://youtu.be/gtLw1D6zzQk?t=485
He was ego lifting the whole time and never hit his 8 rep target. Yeah, I forgive him for being 19, but not Jeff. You can't claim he hit natty perfection with superior training when the kid doesn't even know how much he can lift.

>>76487312
Unironically tried to claim pic rel on the rightt is natty when he is just 19 and in less than 3 years became bigger than Larry Wheels doing absolutely retarded lifts, we are talking 2x5 garbage form sets etc.

5 feet, 4.5 inches

>>76475465 (OP)
I don't the reddit crowd really loves him, hell he's their Mr. Rodgers. He'll probably just milk this drama for money then continue being the gatekeeper for "scientific lifters."

>>76475719
He wears clothes that are oversized and it makes him look like a clown. Hell even his glasses are oversized.

If I was 5'2" I'd probably lie, cheat and steal my way to the top as well, atleast I can cope that 5'9" is average and if I must I can asiamax

>>76479017
Woody Allen is literally me

>>76483933
What's the context behind the gif?

>>76475487
faggot

>>76475465 (OP)
Dude pulled the fitness equivalent of elon musk, he just tanked years of cred for no reason

>>76479546
No Kenny vs Spenny which would make me sad

>>76475465 (OP)
Associating with Mike Israetel at all was infinitesimally worse for his image than this

>>76476179
youtuber/influencer drama =/= fitness industry

>>76479243
You're a retard
the behavior is someone who has such a massive ego he thinks he's better than everyone around them but conscious enough to know that he cannot get away with expressing it openly
There is no real timidity, its a cover for being an egoist since if he actually spoke his mind he'd be either completely alone or broken in half by literally any other guy.

I haven't watched a video of his and I'm not going to, but basically from what I understand, /fit/ hates him because he's a manlet like them, but refuses to succumb to despair and tries to achieve a better body.

>>76485028
Sumo deadlift nonetheless

>>76487973
>Dude came up years ago in the golden age of views and videomaking
Idiots say this about every YouTuber that isn't brand new
>dude 2006-9 was the golden age, no it was 2009-11, no it was 2011-14, no it was 2014-17, no it was 2017-20

>>76478757
>Not 2, but lifting seriously through puberty maybe 5-ish?
You can't get that kind of bicep definition naturally retard

>>76490973
You are a pedopile jew?