Thread 76481014

If you're not training to failure, you're just spinning your wheels

I do chins 5x5 and pushups

>>76481048
thought that was a turban for a second

>>76481050
Nah I'm not that kinda Indian bro

he's already a failure

>>76481014 (OP)
I don't understand. What is the alternative to 'training to failure'? If you can do 8 reps of something but only do 4, what is the point of doing that?

>>76481172
by doing a slow negative and stretching on the lengthened portion of the ROM, you can gain an equal amount of stimulus without the fatigue.

>>76481172
That's the point - there's no point. But some people do exactly that. They stop the moment they feel a slight discomfort.

>>76481014 (OP)
>go to failure
>have shit form and using entire body to finish the rep
He failed on that last rep he should have stopped, not acted like a dweb.

>>76481177
You sound kind of small and weak tbqh

>>76481172
So you can do another 4 sets of 4 reps rather than being exhausted after 8. Second because form and technique matter when it gets heavy and a shitty 7th and 8th rep will fatigue the shit out of you while not providing that much stimulus.

>>76481014 (OP)
dyel?

>>76481014 (OP)
Something primal in me wants to attack that thing.

>>76481345
beta male. useles eating type.

>>76481014 (OP)
You only need a certain proximity to failure and the amount of work you're doing within this window is equally important. This guy isn't trying at all btw. Literally every single person who claims non responder is like him. Mentally incapable of making the conscious decision to be strong. I don't care how skinny you are. 3 little cable stack plates should be flying into the ceiling.

>>76481680
Did you not see him failing the last rep or what? his strength is not an issue here, he's bound to get stronger because he went to failure on that particular isolation. If you need to go to failure on a compound depends on your split and if you can no longer get a stimulus from a certain weight.

>>76481014 (OP)
>train to failure / RPE 10
Incline bench
Squat
Leg curls / hamstring curls actually just most machine shit in general
>don't train to failure
Deadlifts
Preacher curls
>don't do (worse gains or will fuck your shit up)
Flat bench (incline is better)
Decline bench (gives manboobs)
Leg extension (bad for knees)
Lying overhead tricep extension (gave a hernia to a guy I know who had to get surgery for it)

>>76481177
You can also do that until failure.

>>76481718
I saw him give up on moving 15lbs with a pulley. Which may be too generous of me to say because it implies he even started trying. I damn sure didn't see muscular failure.

>>76481014 (OP)
I train to 1 rir

>>76481014 (OP)
Only goes so far though, I like 3x2-3 shits sick.

>>76481014 (OP)
>Training to failure
Why not training to success?

>>76481177
kek retard

>>76481014 (OP)
*to death

>>76481014 (OP)
Is this a stealthy dyel thread ?

>>76481350
Yeah but looks at those controlled negatives. With form like that he'll be a giant soon.>>76481231

>>76481014 (OP)
there's barely a difference, this micro-optimization shit is gay.
if you can do more than 12 reps of something, increase the weight until you can only do 5. you will gain regardless of whether you leave a rep in the tank or not. bitches who worry about this shit hit the gym once every two weeks

>>76482394
Wrong

>>76482403
cope, dyel

>>76481210
thats just going beyond failure and is good for beginners because the weights they lift are so low they can recover extremely quickly
there is nothing wrong with brolifting that isnt dangerous and it actually helps beginners

>>76481048
>5x5
Is there a specific benefit to doing it like this?

>>76482849
>because the weights they lift are so low they can recover extremely quickly

Can you explain to me why? I've heard this multiple times but only makes a little sense to me (the first couple of weeks of lifting)

>>76482404
post body, NIGGER

>>76482905
there are three reasons that make sense to me and align with my own experience but this isn't science just my understanding

1. the smaller your muscles are the easier they recover, while your muscles grow the rest of your body is largely the same so large muscular people have a harder time recovering from the same relative effort as smaller people
2. as you use the gym more you can literally change the makeup of your muscles which changes their needs
3. strength and hypertrophy aren't the same thing, as you get more experienced you can actually recruit your muscles more effectively, so even if you had not gained any muscle you will use them harder and true failure will be more reps down the line than for a totally inexperienced lifter (or imagine it the other way, if you just totally lost all your 'muscle memory' you would not be able to lift as much as you can now regardless of size), as such experienced lifters do more work for the same relative effort (hitting failure) and that leads to more to recover from, similar but different to point 1

>>76483002
Ah that makes sense, thanks for the explanation.

>>76483019
you're welcome
also steroids aren't recognised enough for their recovery benefits
yeah they build muscle but they also help recovery hugely so when you see people like sulek lifting hard as fuck every day he goes to the gym, doing partials at the end of every pulling exercise when he can't hit the full ROM etc. know that its the steroids allowing him to do that while being so experienced
so you can overcome a lot of the 'downsides' of experience with /fraud/

>>76481172
Precisely.
Spinning your wheels.

>>76481014 (OP)
> See dyel starting his journey
> Talk to him in a friendly bro way
> Show you respect him for taking the first step
> Grow a bro bond
> Make a new friend and help him be better
> Go home and have some beers
> Have sweet passionate sex
> No homo though

>>76481014 (OP)
I usually do 3 sets 8 for working weight.

1st set should be clean, 2nd set last 2-3 reps start to feel grindy, 3rd set last 2 reps are really hard.
I went from 75kg 1rm bench to 145kg 1rm bench in a year and some months doing so.

If I do go to failure on every set, like yeah, on first one I get a few more reps in, maybe like 10-11, but 2nd 3rd start failing faster and I get so much more fatigued.
If I then move on to another movement for the same muscle group, I'm fucked. Kinda feels pointless. I rather pace myself, get more reps in and fail towards final sets.

>>76481014 (OP)
I think my grandma is stronger than this guy does he have some kind of medical condition?

>>76481231
>So you can do another 4 sets of 4 reps
But why would you want to?

>>76481210
>He failed on that last rep he should have stopped
wrong, going beyond failure (lenghtened partials, forced eccentrics, cheat form) in something like a tricep pushdown or a curl is both perfectly fine and arguably even preferred for muscle development

>>76481172
Going to failure is very fatiguing, so fatiguing that it will even hinder your next session; there's a reason competitive lifters only max out once or twice a year.

>>76482106
our guy brad hit the gym soon after lol

>>76484154
>only max out once or twice a year.
lmaooo

>>76483976
Nah nothing that you may think (but perhaps microplastics), I was thinking it is a result of his diet leading him to have a weak body. What's the point of trying to get strong if you dont eat well- least' that's what my mom will say.

>>76481048
And you have the average body that you got from it. congrats!

>>76481014 (OP)
That's clearly a mutt. They will never be big

>>76484189
True. Sorry, I should've qualified my statement with "elite lifters" and "for compound lifts", for everyone else it probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

>>76483976
might just be super sedentary and genuinely doesnt actually know how to engage his muscle properly for anything that isnt sitting down at a desk and typing

you need enough tension, that weight is too light to do shit.
you don't need to go to failure, just 2-3 reps in reserve with a moderate weight. if you for some reason are doing something with light weights yeah always go to failure

>>76485125
>that weight is too light to do shit.
bro, that weight was 5 reps max for him

>>76481014 (OP)
Mt dew gamer starts lifting after 10 years of shoulder have been lifting

>>76483976
maybe he was an extreme premature baby or something

his face looks a bit wonky and elongated

>>76481014 (OP)
Jack is based, he's making a career out of ragebaiting gymcels

>>76485125
He could stop being a pussy and do it for a set of 20 I promise you.

>>76484184
and it wuz the end of ur boy :D the world just pretended not to see how deformed he got :D
>hit the gym they said, take roods they said

>>76484210
Starting to lift will make sticks eat and put on weight. I dont have any appetite when i dont lift. i'd just forget to eat some days. If i stop lifting i lose muscle and weight very fast

I can't believe I just watched a novice lift baby weights for half a minute, expecting something to happen.

>>76481014 (OP)
>le funny weebm
work is work
your philosophy is gay

>>76484296
So that has no application to anyone here
Beginners can "max out" and be ready to lift more next workout