Thread 76492513

Anybody else fightmaxxing?
I can never go back to just lifting weights. Its so fucking gay in comparison

>>76492513 (OP)
A muscular heavyweight with 6 months of training would rape your featherweight bitchass with 6 years of training.

>>76492531
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-1t8XWs_6tY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JpvrVe9GIAk&pp=ygUWYm9keWJ1aWxkZXIgdnMgZmlnaHRlctIHCQmtCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

Brutal cope

>>76492513 (OP)
true.
lifting weights = artificial exercise to build muscle that are useless irl
training mma = literally kill people

>>76492547
which one are you?

>>76492628
>training mma = literally training a sport that has illegal moves and a referee and judges to determine a winner

>>76492637
The mma chad

>>76492513 (OP)
>fightmaxxing
when is this double x shit going to stop. i want to kill every one of you reddit fags. oh sorry im ragemaxxxxing i should start chillmaxxxxing

>>76492655
timestamp in the vid?

>>76492531
What if you got Jon Jones huge though?

>>76492657
Its a misc meme normalfaggot. Stop faggotmaxxing and start fightmaxxing

>>76492657
>gay retardmaxxing when you should be goingwiththeflowmaxxing
Wow, couldn't be me *dying rose emoji*

>>76492547
>0 months of training
>0 months of training
I said 6 months, retard.

>>76492628
>>76492691
Gordon Ryan does bodybuilding. Paulo Costa did bodybuilding.

Kyle Kirvay, 2nd strongest powerlifter right now, does bodybuilding. The female GOAT of powerlifting did bodybuilding.

Bodybuilding by itself is not great for fighting or functional strength, but you can convert those muscles into functional if you learn and train. Then you have more muscle to work with for fighting, more back muscle for grappling, bigger shoulders for punching, a stronger neck for resisting blows and wrestling.

>>76492513 (OP)
>I can never go back to just lifting weights. Its so fucking gay in comparison
How are you going to get powerful without lifting weights, all professional fighters lift weights.
Strikers lift weights, wrestlers lift weights, lifting is an essential part of fightnaxxing.

>>76492711
Best example is probably Brock Lesnar.

Pretty much all pro-wrestlers are basically bodybuilders+stuntmen. He became champ with his overwhelming size and muscle.

you're missing out a lot by completely dropping out weightlifting
almost all pro fighters lift to some capacity

>>76492711
Brutal copes

>>76492714
I agree that lifting is good for muscle, but not every pro lifts weights.

Strikers definitely do not 100% or even 90% lift weights, in Thailand they have 10 yr olds fighting in rings, not lifting barbells to be stronger for the future. Fucking hate this myth that
>everyone lifts weights!!!! you NEED to lift weights to be good at sports. NOBODY SKIPS LIFTING WEIGHTS!

>>76492722
>0 months of training
Didn't I say 6 months? Show me one with 6 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGqdZlQBqpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9utftVimlhI
Here, more from 0 months. Now imagine if they had 6 months.

o men wtf

Did Muay Thai for a year. Realized I wasn't cut out for hitting and being hit all the time and now I do weightlifting. A lot of people in regular gyms walk around and size each other up like they want to fight; a lot of people in boxing gyms are really nice. I think actually fighting each other and everyone making a mental ranking of who beats who in a fight helps people grapple with their egos. Ironically it's the ones fighting all the time who end up not thinking about fighting everyone all the time.

Lifting weights is not for fighting, it's for lifting things.

Both fighting and lifting can be enjoyable. If anyone had to chose I would say do the one that makes you the happiest. The boxing gyms I have been in all had a squat rack, but what 90% of people lack for boxing is endurance, not muscle.

>>76492726
>You should train like kids in thailand do
>Nvm that the adults lift weights
Enjoy being pillowfisted for ever.

I like black dicks

>>76492711
But what about like mike mentzer muscle density? If anything it'd make you way more athletic and fast.

guys, fighter bodies still look aesthetic and they're also functional? Why would I even train for a bodybuilder body?

>>76492850
They're on steroids but are unbelievably bad at lifting

>>76492513 (OP)
Black belt in juju and looking for a Muay Thai gym now. I still lift weights 3 times a week though.

>>76492513 (OP)
>fightmaxxing
no one who says faggot zoomer shit like this is ever getting into a fight, loser.
Stick to watching cartoons and playing with your star wars toys and pretending your booba fet or whatever

>>76493112
Cope and fightmaxxed mogged

>>76493116
>cope
do you retards even know what the word means? You just use it as a throwaway reply to everything now.
ex:
>u r gay
>COPE!!! PROJECTING!!! COPE !!! AHHH!!!!
retards

>>76493167
Which cartoon is your favorite?

>>76493167
Literally, unironically you're coping

>>76493098
Boxing heavy Mt/karate is peak I'm so high I feel like I could just kick or box someone since they're slow, hit the bag and go to whatever gym.

>>76493098
What kinda judo shit

>>76493278
It's what I call BJJ. I hate the term jits

I wishhh there was a judo gym near me, I'd do it after Muay Thai.

>>76493289
I like close range striking/grappling like push someone back and punch them

>>76492513 (OP)
1 day Bjj
2 days judo
3 days in the gym (lifting + cardio)

That’s my routine. It can be quite a bit for me but I’m getting stronger and more technical consistently. I feel pretty balanced but could probably stretch more. I used to do a lot of pure boxing and Muay Thai but honestly I like being able to spar hard regularly without killing my brain. I figure this routine is probably good enough

>>76493396
Top 3 lifts for judo?

Top 3 lifts for BJJ?

Top 3 lifts for boxing?

>tfw did powershitting for 8 years
>joined a BJJ gym
>got tapped out by a guy 30kgs lighter than me
>started Muay Thai as well
>gassed out and got beat by some 16 year old lanklets
Anyways, nowadays I'm just as strong as I used to be before I left the gym (tested the big three the other day) and I'm also a great striker and grappler. The best part is that I've made a lot of friends.

DO BOTH, DO BOTH
Why do you retards act like it's a fucking skill tree, the best fighter would train with weights and cardio in addition to sparring and whatever the fuck

>>76493549
How long did it take for you to beat bjj twinks who had been training for 5+ years

>>76493490
I am not an expert so I would say
>judo
Front squat, deadlift, facepull, maybe hang clean
>bjj
Front squat, deadlift, bent over row
>boxing
Front squat, anything weighted rotation

General strength training is good enough. Get a good cardio base (lots of mat time, running, swimming, skipping rope, sprints). Don’t go crazy - if you get injured you’re going to miss practice

>>76493689
Oh and Zürcher squats are good, grip work is good, any extra neck and trap work work is good

>>76493694
>>76493689
>>76493490
So I know this isn’t exactly what you asked, but I would say get good at
Front squat
Back squat
Zercher deadlift
Overhead press
Hang clean
Dips
Pullups
Pushups
Prison squats
Landmine rotations
Weighted crunches
Jogging, stair sprints, jump rope
Slowly progress on those without sacrificing practice time and you’ll be fine.

>>76493563
Because us employed chads have limited time, you utter retard.

>>76493563
Because time is a finite fucking resource and many people cannot just dump 12 hours into going to various gyms every week. Even putting aside recovery, one needs be prioritized over the other.

>>76492513 (OP)
Always. Every session is one compound movement, one accessory, and one or two isolations. Then some variant of combat conditioning or combat sports class.

>>76493618
>twinks
I was winning since day 1.

>>76492513 (OP)
There's a new punching bag at my lifting gym. Any advice on what gloves to get? Just want to learn the basics of punching and what not. Videos on technique would be appreciated

>>76494073
That's like 2 hours a day you bum

>>76494126
You won't learn anything from hitting a bag at Gold's gym.

>>76494276
yes he can you idiot

>>76494126
Cheap leather gloves or cheap MMA gloves. I can review your videos if you got discord

>>76494126
Until you get gloves, you can just practice with palm strikes
you will look like a sped though for the first few days, unless you're a boomer, then you will look homeless

>>76492513 (OP)
>I can never go back to just lifting weights
You will when you become DYEL and get nagging injuries from one-sided training.

t. been there done that

>>76494126
>Any advice on what gloves to get?
Bag gloves?

>>76494369
Don't hit bags with palm strikes, you'll fuck up your wrists.

>>76493490
>Top 3 lifts for judo?
Power cleans, uchikomi with rubber band, split squats
>Top 3 lifts for BJJ?
Crunches, bridges, isometric chokes
>Top 3 lifts for boxing?
Fedor press, shot put, broad jump

>>76494526
>>76493741
>>76493694
>>76493689
thanks, this is gold

Got kind of involved in 2 fights (more like a bystander) and got punched 4 times and I have not seen a single punch coming. The movement never even registered. Tbf, the first one was a punch from a guy who did not show any signs of aggression and the other 3 were when I was trying to protect a friend in a mass brawl. I was super drunk each time but the experience was so weird. Like in one moment I see the guy in front of me, next thing I notice is the impact of the fist but mostly just the sound. Was that only because I was so drunk or is it something I can train and improve?

>>76494563
>Was that only because I was so drunk or is it something I can train and improve?
Being drunk certainly doesn't help, but yes it's normal if you're untrained and not expecting it, and yes you can train it. That's what sparring is for, as you become comfortable you're better able to predict what people will do an react quicker and more appropriately.

>>76494518
t. bonelet

>>76493490
>3 lifts for judo
Power cleans, push press, kroc rows

>>76492531
>someone will be better anon, NEVER IMPROVE
candy ass

>>76494051
Ooh la la, you can't find 45 minutes in a day, so busyyy
Manage your time better retard

>>76492513 (OP)
Bait of the week
and no, your mother and I are no longer fighting and your brother is still not allowed in the house

>>76495671
I wasn't telling him to never improve, I was saying if you lift youll be heavier and stronger.

>>76492547
which of those had 6 months of training?

>>76492513 (OP)
Yeah I'm about to go fuck someone up at the mma gym once they're tired

>>76494073
>he says sitting on his ass shitposting on /fit/

>>76495148
Thank you!

>>76497474
How can you do that when you're untrained?>>76497460

>>76492648

Try getting into a fight with a guy that has practiced armbars and rear naked chokes literally thousands of times against resisting training partners with your LARP street moves and see what happens.

The biggest advantage a trained MMA fighter has against a normal person is the utter lack of any hesitation. By the time the "street fighter" is aware the fight is for real, the MMA guy has already landed a three piece on him, dumped him on his head, or has a secure blood choke on his ass.

None of your eye gouging, biting, or picking up a brick is going to work. And never forget, an MMA fighter can do that to you as well and will likely be more effective than you at cheating tactics.

>>76492547

I've sparred the guy in the blue head gear for 2 rounds once. His name is Allen Green and he went the distance with Andre Ward. I've never felt body shots so hard in my life. He almost dropped me, and easily could have if he wanted to. Even my little ass would kill that bodybuilder. Casuals have absolutely no clue.

>>76492513 (OP)
Was thinking of doing boxing. But i dont rly want shots to the head. Also I play hockey 3x per week and lift 2x times. So not sure how i can fit it in

>>76492711

>Gordon Ryan does bodybuilding. Paulo Costa did bodybuilding.

Gordon Ryan was an absolute world beater on the BJJ mat before his steroid era.
If you look at most fighters who have ridiculous physiques, they learned a martial art as a base long before they packed on lots of muscle.
Some guys just have ridiculous genetics.

>>76501222

You don't have to spar. You can start going to a legit gym once and week and take a technique class and just do bag and mit work.
You will never get good without sparring at least once in a while, though.
Give it try. You might end up liking it better than hockey?

It's also the best thing to do as a natural. You get stronger, fitter, more endurance, and actually get in shape. Then when you do take PEDs it just makes you keep muscle instead of building it.

>>76492547
Same way a random D3 basketball player would school you in a pickup game, these fighters would take your cheeks if they wanted to.

>>76501222
Start training neck before boxing.

my favorite part of mma becoming the new fitness meme is that now there's a bunch of guys walking around who think they can fight or participate in a bout without running for at least two hours a day.

>>76501419
You could train boxing for 10 years and Butterbean and Eddie Hall would destroy you.

>>76501426
prime butterbean would never catch me and i could never hurt him, no sane promotion/management would ever see a fight like that organized. also, butterbean almost exclusively fought sandbags. if he ever had to fight someone with cardio he would lose. see: all of his losses except the last few where he started losing because the effects of getting hit to much were manifesting.

t. guy who boxes. you doing okay man?

>>76494126
You can just get a cheap pair of Venums from Walmart for like $25. They won't last much more than 6 months of moderate use though. More importantly, get wraps and learn how to wrap your hands. You're not going to make a ton of actual boxing headway just going the DIY route. But if you're just looking for some fun cardio at the gym it's perfectly fine.

>>76501419
Roadwork is pretty key for boxing?

>>76501449
yes. why do you think they start amateurs and low grade pros at 4 rounds? because standing around trading shots for 2-3 minute intervals is literally the most stamina draining thing a human can do, period.

>>76501405
Facts. If you cant fight your bootyhole is free real estate for real men

I started sparring six months ago. I am fucking old and slow and bad at fighting.I worry that I am just at a wall and not improving. I will continue to train, but I hit a wall in every other athletic discipline, so I expect nothing different here.

>>76492513 (OP)
Did boxing? After a year of training I honestly feel like I can take 80% of men in a fight.
I hate fighting 6foot+, 200+ pound men who’ve been trained though. Those mfs have the perfect all around build.

>>76501441
Butterbean was faster than he looked. If you were in a 22 foot boxing ring he would eventually walk you down and beat you down.

>>76501558
Try clinch fighting and dirty boxing like Henry Armstrong and Roberto Duran. Good for slow people with lots of arm and core strength. Feint more jabs.
>>76501441
On the street maybe not, in the ring he could definitely hit you.

>>76492513 (OP)
you're on /fit/ ofc you wanna touch other men

>>76501641
BRUTAL fightcel cope

>>76492726
Everyone IN AMERICA lifts weights. It's one of those US things no one else understand or does. The history is quite interesting (bodybulding came from the Jewish and gay subcultures, aka exactly the ones the lifters claim to hate), but I'm not gonna bore you. And as Americans are, they think everyone is like them, no exceptions, even though it's the complete opposite.

>>76492795
See?

>>76501199
>Try getting into a fight with a guy that has practiced armbars and rear naked chokes literally thousands of times against resisting training partners with your LARP street moves and see what happens.
MMA fighter get BTFO in real fights all the fucking time. Wtf are you on about? Anothony Smith had to be saved from a burglar by the cops. Dillon Danis got choked out by a bouncer trained in Systema and Krav. Kenzhayev got beaten to death in a club. There are many such examples, I should make a collage out of it someday.

>>76501558
Your training sucks then. Change coaches.

>>76501570
>I hate white people
Classic /fit/.

>>76501689
>someday
Do it now, this is interesting. Remember hearing about this one fighter, bouncers didnt know he was a pro and one manhandled him and carried him out.

>>76501579
He didn't wanna fight Mike at all

>>76492513 (OP)
I don't even like wearing gloves I've been hardening my hands for years and it feels like I can break someone's hand, I even strengthened the shit out of my wrists so I can 100% any punching bag and not break at the wrist.

Wrestling or boxing?

>>76501215
I've taken 3 test classes at different boxing gyms and in all of them the class was zumba, more cardio and some mediocre weightlifting exercises in-between. Maybe 15 to 20% of the "classes" were about technique

I think I will save up for private lessons. These gyms don't teach you anything, they gatekeep and then charge you for it

>>76501860
>double front punches
>push the bag to hit it hard/combo
>hard fast 1punch
>low "uppercut" straight sliding in

>>76501689
>Anthony Smith had to be saved from a burglar by the cops
Anthony Smith subdued the guy and waited for police to arrive
>Dillon Danis got choked out by a bouncer trained in Systema and Krav.
Danis was recovering from surgery and his leg was in a brace. He was also drunk. From memory the bouncer snuck up behind him and applied an RNC, but I could be mistaken.
>Kenzhayev got beaten to death in a club
By four bouncers looks like it. Big dudes who might actually have fight training. And Kenzhayev may have been intoxicated, I don't care to look it up.
>>76501426
>>76501441
not boxing but MMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxlqczGyTE
>>76492733
Very disingenuous to call Brian Shaw or The Mountain "A bodybuilder".
These aren't even just strongmen, these are strongmen who had massive frames to begin with. A better analogy would be Dustin Poirier vs a high level bodybuilder who has the same frame as Dustin Poirier.
>>76492717
Also being a D1 champ, with 111 matches under his belt.

>>76492733
>>76502048
My mistake, you didn't call them a bodybuilder, you called them "a muscular heavyweight"
This is extremely disingenuous
These guys aren't "a muscular heavyweight", these are literally in the top 10 or so strongest people in the world, ditto for their amount of lean mass.
Heavyweight in boxing is anyone over 91kg.
Heavyweight in MMA is under 120.2 kg.
It goes without saying these guys are much heavier and much stronger than a typical heavyweight in either sport.

Wrestling is peak. Heracles was a wrestler

No need to stress my body lifting/running/fighting. No need to ogremaxxx. I will play tennis with aristocratic staceys.

>>76501893
Thanks anon

>>76502057
>Heavyweight in boxing is anyone over 91kg.
>Heavyweight in MMA is under 120.2 kg.
>It goes without saying these guys are much heavier and much stronger than a typical heavyweight in either sport.
Any mid-tier IFBB pro is much stronger than 90% of heavyweights in either sport. Stronger than 80% of BJJ champions, 99% if we're talking about legs. That's without functional training: the muscle base boydbuilders have will mean IF they neurologically max out the strength of that muscle, they will be incredibly strong.

I picked Hafhtor and Shaw because they had 0 months of training. Imagine Ronnie Coleman with 6 months of training, or any bodybuilder for that matter, they would destroy the top 10 strongest men with no training.

>>76492513 (OP)
what weight class are you in

>>76492717

You know he was a superstar college wrestler, right? Wrestling is king in fighting.

>>76492657
This is almost a decade old meme normalized half a decade ago

>>76492531
Weightlifting is at best a good cross training supplement for a competitive fighter. No doubt power and speed matter a lot in fighting but lifting will only enhance you so much in these regards.

Yeah I’ve trained BJJ and Muay Thai and just came back to MMA after 7 years away.

Let’s get it out of the way though that this shit is mostly useless in a street fight. It always comes up and sport fighters always have to cop, given they have the luxury of never having to had find out for sure. A knife or a bottle beats an arm bar 100% of the time.

>>76505461
yes the good ol pipe bomb and run away

>>76504318
>Imagine Ronnie Coleman with 6 months of training, or any bodybuilder for that matter, they would destroy the top 10 strongest men with no training.
I don't buy this at all
IFBB pros are strong. But they they are lacking many attributes of strongmen.
Strongmen have fantastic coordination. Think about lifting an atlas stone compared to performing a squat or leg press.
Strongmen actually have decent endurance. Some of the challenges go on for minutes. Bodybuilders do not.
Strongmen are stronger obviously. And because strongmen are much taller, a strongman lifting a weight actually means they are stronger than a bodybuilder lifting the same weight. They are also very strong in ways that bodybuilders are not - things like grip strength, isometric strength, awkward postures and movements, unilateral movements etc - which are very relevant to fighting
Strongmen have much larger and stronger bones. Look how big elite strongmen's skulls and wrists hands are. They have the reach advantage and a height advantage.

>>76492513 (OP)
>casually deflects your punches with my pecs

>>76492547
I fought a faggot that did mma. I have no training. He outweighed me actually. I put him in a full nelson hold. All this to say more muscle would have had me murk him even easier. Cope

>>76505687
Of course they're stronger than strongman. I'm just saying with 6 months of training bodybuilders would be able to bridge that gap. Whereas we've seen BJJ blue belts and even some black belts are able to do nothing against strongman because they can't even BUDGE the strongman.

>>76501449
Cardio is the most important aspect for any combative for all history followed by strong legs and backs. Even fighting in a fucking phalanx or maniple its the guys who are getting tired first are the ones who get fucked because they lower their shields.

>>76505791
weaker than strongman*

>>76494252
>8 hours for sleep
>8 hours for work
>8 remaining hours for every single other activity including eating, bathing, shitting, and transport
Yes, 2 hours every day is a hard sell and basically requires them to give up most other shit they might enjoy to fit it in unless they're just killing themselves every weekend.
I've done it before and I could only do it because I had no other life. Same shit as dumping a kid into a shitload of extracurriculars.
>>76498631
>i have no argument so i'm just going to presume the minute it took to post is actually hours wasted

>>76492513 (OP)
both give you different kinds of health issues but a smart bodybuilder is way less likely to get a life changing injury from a random training day.
that's the only reason i don't train martial arts anymore.
too many divorced dads trying to flex during sparring sessions nowadays and dumbass trainers too scared to tell them to fuck off.

I'm about 6 sessions in no gi bjj and I come from about 10 years of general lifting and powerlifting.

From my personal experience

1. I got a lot of compliments for my strength but ultimately got dominated by normies with no lifting xp.
2. Weight and height difference mogs muscularity
3. Cardio is more important than lifting
4. Get ready to get mogged by 18 year olds if you are over 30

Despite this it's very fun and a lot more stimulating than powerlifting.

>>76505791
Brother, this is delusional. You think Ronnie Coleman with 6 months of training has good enough cardio to fight the Mountain? Does Ronnie Coleman even have better cardio than the average 30 year old man? Do you think there's any world where an IFBB physique athlete with 6 months of training beats Eddie Hall with 0 training?
Have you even done 6 months of training? It ain't shit.

>>76505899
>Do you think there's any world where an IFBB physique athlete with 6 months of training beats Eddie Hall with 0 training?
6 months is a massive difference compared to 0. Even 2 months is insanely different compared to 0, unless youre training once a week.

>>76506395
You are insane. Mass monsters have worse cardio than an untrained guy. There's no way the mass monster type bodybuilders could have even a decent level of cardio while maintaining anything close to that amount of mass. Ronnie Coleman would gas out very quickly. Whereas strongmen do have decent cardio, because they actually train it, and they have huge frames and major organs to allow for it.

>>76506443
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1W9byX0Z7zU
"with 6 months of training, or any bodybuilder for that matter, they would destroy the top 10 strongest men with no training."
total delusion