Thread 76495258

Post unusual/unconventional supplements that made a huge difference in your life/wellbeing/quality of life/health

Pic related is NOW peppermint gels with fennel and ginger oil. Immensely helpful for my IBS. Really decreases pain and bloating and relieves constipation. Also really inexpensive.

>>76495258 (OP)
Rhodiola rosea is the superior alternative to ashwagandha with no reports of liver injury.

>>76495299
How has it helped you

>>76495307
Helps with cortisol levels which are usually insanely high for me.

>>76495316
Congrats on finding something that works. I've seen Ashwagandha pushed really vehemently and vociferously lately. And honestly, if something is promoted that much, I just automatically assume it's just the latest weird Chinese mushroom or whatever that's being promoted by scam artists.

>>76495322
Ashwagandha works too but it's risky for the liver. I have become more wary of supplements over the years.

>>76495327
Good on you

Unrelated but has anyone had experience with H. Pylori or other stomach bacteria and the recovery process out it. I went on triple antibiotic treatment a few months ago and it was absolutely brutal, and still months later I suffer with nausea and sometime random anxiety attacks.

>>76495410
Saccharomyces boulardii

>>76495432
This.
>>76495322
Did you recolonize with probiotic strains afterwards?

Methylene Blue

>>76495574
Lol no

>>76495258 (OP)
Drink a little of this before a workout and youll be able to throw weights through the wall

>>76495299
ashwagandha is far more effective and liver effects are insanely rare
this must be the male equivalent of every middle aged white woman saying she is gluten intolerant/has lyme disease

>>76495410
Haven't heard of the other strain guy above talked about. But checkout L Reuteri, colostrum and turkey tail(not a probio, but some decent data on gut healing). Besides these, try to eat raw sauerkraut and kefir daily for awhile

>>76495832
Ashwagandha screwed with my blood pressure and gave me depression like symptoms, had to quit it
It's a scam powder and potentially dangerous

>>76496057
have you considered that you're an especially fragile genetic reject?

>>76496057
Not to bring down the mood but my EX committed suicide after taking Ashwaganda for a few weeks. If you have depression, or in general are just mentally weak, I personally wouldn’t suggest taking it.

>>76495258 (OP)
How many times will the junior marketing exec spam this brand on fit

>>76495410
If your gut flora doesn't recover, go see a doc and get a proper gut microbiota transplant or FMT. Probiotics are a meme and can make things even worse.

>>76495258 (OP)
For every supplement, look up sources of it. If it is found in mostly meat or organs and the body doesn't produce it, take it. Most people don't eat enough meat and definitely not enough organs.

>>76496444
Most therapeutic doses of things found in supplements can't be easily obtained from meat, even in excess consumption quantities. An example would be creatine.

>>76496466
That's my point exactly, I've recently started taking tryptophan for sleep and its great

>>76496475
I apologize. I misread your post.

>>76495258 (OP)
1. magnesium (citrate or glycinate) made my sleep significantly better. I might have been deficient. The first time I took magnesium citrate I had the best night of sleep in years. Now, I take magnesium most days a week, but don't worry if I miss a few days. Recently I went a month forgetting to take it and didn't notice how my sleep had gotten worse until I started taking magnesium again. It helped me.

But remember not all supplements seem to work on all people the same.

2. Acetyl L-carnitine - really helped me with a low motivation, low energy period.

3. ecysterone - currently using, shows some promise. I feel like I'm making gains faster than I otherwise would.

4. NAC - after starting I noticed it seemed like breathing was smoother during cardio.

>>76495258 (OP)
Does anyone know about CoQ10 and PQQ? I'm trying to figure out my chronic low energy and it's improved, but I haven't fully fixed it and mitochondria support supps are my next idea

I drink methylene blue

Any supplements good for herniated disk? >>76496589

>>76496541
Do you take mag citrate in water? Does it effect the taste or make it sour?

>>76496609
Go to physio-therapy and do lots of walking

>>76496630
pills for both
I had citrate bc it was cheap now I have glycinate

>>76496057
ashwaganda makes me extremely irritable
i did some google-fu on this and it seems like a lot of people don't respond well to it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/qa4y8d/ashwagandha_is_making_me_extremely_irritated/


this is why its important to take one new supplement at a time instead of throwing a bunch of things in your body at once

>>76496793
>Ashwagandha made my testosterone so high I became mean, but my physique improved dramatically without going to the gym!

lmao reddit

>>76495258 (OP)
Taladafil

D3. Changed my life, sleep and not feeling like I am going to puke after workouts. Northern Canada, so it may not to fuck all for you. Also hi Vancouver and Ontario, you guys suck and shouldn't respond to me.

Most unusual/unconventional supplements are shit.

>>76496101
I have suicidal idealization, actually diagnosed by a doctor. It has not changed when I started taking Ashwaganda. It will absolutely fuck with other things that will take you out if you are near suicide.

Sorry for your loss anon. Talk to somebody if you aren't already.

>>76496548
Try vertical diet, creatine, methylene blue (dosed correctly)
https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/items/9d726cb9-2ea2-416e-b76b-d4679e804442

>>76496548
Yeah don't do any of this except maybe creatine
>>76498076

>>76495322
>if something is promoted that much, I just automatically assume it's just the latest weird Chinese mushroom or whatever that's being promoted by scam artists.
IDK, I think at least a few of them besides Cordyceps aren't actually scams.
>Vialinin A, an antioxidant derived from edible mushrooms, prevents ocular inflammation.
>https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2805347
>Abstract 6331: Prevention of lung cancer growth by an edible mushroom-derived p-terphenyl antioxidant, Vialinin-A
>https://aacrjournals.org/cancerres/article/85/8_Supplement_1/6331/757944

>>76498111
>A literal vitamin isn't a scam
Yeah, nobody said that it was. Nobody has ever said vitamin A is a scam. Plus, it's not being pushed or marketed heavily. No idea what your point here was.

>>76498088
What's good for energy then? Should he be drinking monster and coffee all day?

>>76498123
>Emotionally responds with a strawman.
Try engaging in good faith in a neutrally worded and coherent way if you actually want to have a conversation, I'll let you try again.

>>76498088
Any particular reason why apart from it sounding kinda schizo?

>>76498076
Will check it out, thanks

>>76498125
>>76498088
Just answer me simply. What should he do for energy? What's wrong with the vertical diet, diet that Mitchell Hooper, Hafthor Bjornsson, Brian Shaw, and Stan Efferding used?
https://www.reddit.com/r/covidlonghaulers/comments/1l4duqq/methylene_blue_wow/

>>76498132
Besides the fact that methylene blue is just the latest meme supplement with basically no evidence that it works being pushed heavily, The vertical diet is a meme diet that's based around white rice as a carb source which is extremely highly glycemic and fast digesting and will not help with sustained energy, and will in fact cause energy crashes.

>>76498113
Vialinin A is not the same thing as Vitamin A.
>Vialinin A is a ubiquitin-specific peptidase inhibitor
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960894X13006999
>Vialinin A, a small compound isolated from the Chinese mushroom Thelephora vialis, exhibits more effective anti-inflammatory activity than the widely used immunosuppressive drug tacrolimus (FK506). Here, we show that ubiquitin-specific peptidase 5/isopeptidase T (USP5/IsoT) is a target molecule of vialinin A, identified by using a beads-probe method.
Also, I know a schizo black doctor who actually does claim Vitamin A is a scam. He's wrong, lol.

>>76498133
Primarily because you, the person making these recommendations, use severely impaired logic to support your claims.

Firstly, professional bodybuilders using a diet has absolutely nothing to do with the average person using that same diet. Bodybuilders take tons of supplements and work out much harder than the average person and eat multiple times a day. They utilize the vertical diet because it is a quickly digesting high glycemic diet because they work out so vociferously and need to fit many meals in. So the person you are responding to ostensibly wants good sustained energy, And a diet based around extremely fast digesting carbs that result in a blood sugar spike and a blood sugar dip is not a good recommendation.

Secondarily, you're citing a Reddit post for methylene blue. Besides the fact that it's a Reddit post, It's a multi-factorial and confounded limited duration test on one person. The person who did the test, which is an irrelevant test anyway because it's only a few days, clearly indicated he has impaired mitochondrial function. Telling somebody else that this is evidence that methylene blue will help them is like saying that insulin helps diabetic people so you should start injecting insulin.

You have an extremely biased and immature world view, and you are promoting things that could potentially do harm to people based on bad logic, Because the evidence that you use is cherry-picked to fit what you want to be true rather than what is true.

>>76498147
Yeah, I read that wrong. I'm sorry. I'm very tired.

>>76498154
Then say what is true. What should he do? Nothing?
Do you care about this guy or just autistically arguing on 4chan?

>>76498155
>Discovery of natural orexin 2 receptor antagonists from Valeriana species: A potential approach for insomnia treatment
>https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07420528.2025.2529398

>>76498157
The discussion is over. You clearly are just wanting to argue. I've disproved each of your recommendations methodically. I am not obligated to give him a better recommendation in order to show that your recommendations are garbage.

>>76498140
High glycemic fast digesting rice might not be good for sustained energy.

This is a fair point.

I like vertical diet because rice is just less inflammatory than bread. Your "energy" levels might be the result of your own body fighting against things that are causing it constant inflammation, rather than your own energy being lacking. People in countries where they eat rice live longer than in where they eat bread.

>>76498166
Great, nothing you said is relevant to his request for something that will help his energy. Saying, well, it might be due to X is not helpful. He indicated no signs of inflammation.

>>76498170
Everyone is inflamed.
Cooked food: https://www.fda.gov/food/process-contaminants-food/acrylamide-and-diet-food-storage-and-food-preparation
Air: https://news.mit.edu/2023/chess-players-tough-foe-air-pollution-0130

>>76498178
You still insist on using garbage logic.
This conversation is over.

>>76498157
>Do you care about this guy or just autistically arguing on 4chan?
>>76498161
>The discussion is over.
>You clearly are just wanting to argue.
>I am not obligated to give him a better recommendation
>>76498170
>Great, nothing you said is relevant
>>76498182
>This conversation is over.

>>76498191
A discussion or conversation is a punctuated verbal exchange of an idea. Each time he said the conversation was over, or the discussion was over, you ceased talking about one particular thing and then pivoted to something else to try to support your ideas.

>>76495258 (OP)
> cured my eczema
pretty sure I was short on b12

>>76498243
No idea why you wouldn't just take a B12 supplement. It's cheaper, you get more for your money. I hope you know that nutritional yeast doesn't actually have B vitamins in it. They just fortify it with them.

>>76495258 (OP)
Did u consider going carnivore instead of masking symptoms with even more gay plant shit?

>>76498253
>Did you consider developing eating disorder and nutritional deficiencies instead of using time tested herbal extracts that have been used to treat health maladies for millennia?
Honestly no

>>76498253
>Did you consider developing an eating disorder and nutritional deficiencies instead of using time tested herbal extracts that have been used to treat health maladies for millennia?
Honestly no

>>76498246
No, it contains the B complex, it's fortified with the B12.

It's about $7 a bag here and lasts me about two months, no need for capsules. Plus I get the rest of the Bs.

>>76498284
Fair enough

I use a milk thistle liver complex and it has brought my levels into normal range. I also use NAC in the morning and before bed, mostly to free the airways, which helps during cardio and reduces my snoring or mouth breathing during sleep. I also take astaxanthin for cell protection, stronger immune system and better skin. It works fairly well but gives me a slight headache, so have to time it well. All the other supplements I take are fairly mainstream. I once megadosed Vitamin C and a stubborn wart I had went away, maybe coincidence. I also want to try ALCAR to manage my chronic fatigue (as the other anon) but I haven't ordered it yet.

>>76498313
>I also use NAC in the morning and before bed, mostly to free the airways, which helps during cardio and reduces my snoring or mouth breathing during sleep
Can you tell me more about this? What dose do you take? I suffer from stuffiness and take NAC but if I can adjust the dose to help myself I'd like to know

>>76495299
>>76495322
>>76495327

Just wanted to chime in with my Ashwagandha experience:
I've taken it in ~4 week bursts over the last 6 months or so, followed by ~2 weeks off every time.

I have no experience with antidepressants (or depression) but the effects felt like what antidepressants would feel like (in my imagination).
While on, it felt like an emotional sort of noise was turned down and my baseline level of stress was reduced by a lot, but it also made me not care about anything. Events that would've triggered happiness and enthusiasm in the past suddenly didn't. It's not that I felt sad, I just felt content and baseline.

Then when I'd end my 4 weeks of Ashwagandha I'd get extremely anxious for about 1 week, like I was about to have the most important exam in my life perpetually 15 minutes into the future. Then in the second week off it would fade and I would start to feel normal again.

My conclusion is that it's a tool to be used in rare occasions when you know your life is going to become really stressful for a month or so and you need to be functional and emotionally balanced during it. Ashwagandha feels like a secret weapon you can use in such moments, but should never be used at something you just take regularly over longer periods of time.

I've stopped taking it now, no reason to where I'm at in life, but also because I don't really trust being on it long term. It's been about a month or 2 and I feel back to normal I think.

Although I do wonder every now and then if it has flattened my emotional ups in a more permanent way. Seems unlikely though.
Hope this informs or helps someone.

>>76498323
I take 800mg per dose, which is 1 capsule (brand: sanuvit)

>>76498340
Similar experience with anhedonia but it didn't give me any anxiety. It also showed no benefits during the day or at higher doses. I ended up taking it before bed for a few weeks and it has resulted in slightly better sleep but a little bit more irritation during the day. I gave my Mom the rest of the bottle and it helped her in her high stress job.

>>76498344
Thanks anon

>>76496582
how does it feel knowing your brain is blue dabba dee dabba doo?

>>76498123
why do people take monster while you can just have taurine powder and mix it with anything for a fraction of the cost and no sugar

>>76495258 (OP)
I'm up to like 40g of kratom powder a day which is pretty unconventional

>>76495258 (OP)
>Zinc and Iodine
Deficiencies in both cause depression.

>Vitamin D
Also good.

>Fiber and probiotics
Better bowel movements.

I get most of my vitamins by way of a multivitamin.

>>76498892
>I get most of my vitamins by way of a multivitamin.

>>76495258 (OP)

Kava Kava, Tongkat ali, St. Johns worth

I'ts probably all placebo for my brain as ive already had my share of hard stuff... bordering anhedonia at this point

>>76498140
>Besides the fact that methylene blue is just the latest meme supplement
It existed for 100 years

>>76498538
That isnt methylene Blue lying jew

>>76499822
Google the etymology of the word meme

>>76498340
been taking ash in high doses for years with zero issues from it

>>76499826
It literally is

>>76500162
No its not, that just blue dye lying rat

>>76500201
Yeah, it's methylene blue. Methylene blue is literally blue dye

>>76500201
Yeah, it's methylene blue. Methylene blue is literally blue dye

>>76500062
meme meaning not supported by covid vaxxed doctors and mainstream media amirite

>>76500360
So are you going to look it up or not

>>76500360
Based vibes retard poster

>>76500388
Dont need to, only jews call everything not in mainstream media a meme

Boomer here.

Nattokinase. Take 11,000 IFU daily. Lowered my cholesterol by 10-15% with zero side effects or diet change.

Here is the study backing up my personal experiences.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6043915/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9441630/

Quote:
"In summary, our data from this largest clinical study involving 1,062 participants suggest that NK at the daily dose of 10,800 FU, which is higher than the recommended dose of 2,000 FU, is significantly effective in the management of atherosclerosis progression and hyperlipidemia. No adverse effects associated with the use of NK is observed."

If you have any kind of family history of high cholesterol or atherosclerosis, you NEED to take this shit like yesterday.

Green tea.

>>76501028
>this group is bad because of violence and hatred!
>use violence and hatred to attack said group
oh the ironing

>>76501099
As you can see that image is dated 2008. Wil Wheaton was the original s.o.yboy.

>>76498253
>did you consider joining a cult and shitting water out of your ass for a few months because i have a terminal case of contrarianism and my only belief system is to do exactly everything people tell me not to do

>>76501147
Yeah dont be contrarian and get your 10th booster

>>76495258 (OP)
that's helping you because of the fennel. you want to cure your ibs instead? it's probably caused by an overgrowth of candida in your intestines, take oregano oil (with fennel) along with NAC and black seed oil
sounds like a meme but it has cured me like 60ish%, and with enough time it'll get me all the way
https://www.docdroid.net/U1Jl1vP/cdf-nac-protocol-pdf#page=69

>>76501247
I've never had candida overgrowth, but if your therory is right then adding sesame oil should be even more effective; it has anti-candida potency similar to the standard of care *azole drugs.

>>76498538
I've yet to see a single mention of why this is a bad thing
>B-but y-your brain is a different colour
And??? So fucking what???

>>76501626
That's not the point of the post.

bumping

>>76495258 (OP)
saving from the grave.

have taken a wide range of supplements. l-citrulline is one of the few that does something noticable. It's a proper vasodialator and feels more like a prescription drug than a supplement. Veins noticeably bigger, combines well with caffeine to offset caffeine's negative effects, flaccid dick is half-chub all day. Great to take a double-dose if you're gonna be in the shower with a nice lady or some other situation where your dick is sitting there non-erect. Don't wanna give a lady the ick by having a small flaccid dick, even if your erect dick is long enough. Can never be too careful about your dick.

>>76495258 (OP)
Are you baiting? That's an androgen blocker.

>>76505291
Literally stronger than fin but without the plasma absorption if it's topical. I guess they sell the pills for varbies with bears who can't score a script for spyro the dragon's acetone?

>>76505291
Explain how that's relevant

>>76495432
this is an anecdotal experience and most likely the effect of placebo but:

I suffer from a crippling ADHD disorder and take ritalin for it which isn’t very effective and also causes me anxiety and heart palpitations to a mild but noticeable degree. I found a bottle with this in my parents’ house and started taking one pill every morning before i eat -without knowing exactly what this specific strain was or was supposed to do, just that it was a probiotic pill and i was interested in assisting my gut microbiome by increasing fiber and taking probiotic pills-. On the second day i noticed that i didn’t felt anxiety after taking ritalin any more and also that my mind was calmer. It didn’t noticeably improve my inability to focus or my executive dysfunction though.

>>76505387
I'm glad you were able to find something that helped you, but just for future reference, it's not really a great idea to take random pills without really knowing what they're supposed to do. That being said, I'm very happy that this one-off ended up being beneficial for you.

>>76505394
i am aware mate i was just looking for probiotic pills in the cabinet and this was the only one with “probiotic” on it that i could find

>>76505291
So. Do you not want to be a cutie girl, anon?

>>76505417
I wasn't trying to mock you or insult you or anything, Sorry if it came off that way. In either case, I'm glad it was helpful.

>>76500221

Its a compound that can dye things blue. Yes. It crosses blood Brain barrier freely and is uptake by mitochondria quickly.

Its awesome stuff. Try 25 drops of 1% a day for 5 days then take a few days off.

Oxygen efficiency is improved too. Tons of studies about mitochondrial dysfunction being improved/cured.

Antifungal too. Gave it to pilots in nam/Korea

>>76505554
I'm glad we agree it's a dye. Didn't read the rest of your post.

>>76505557

Did you know water is a solvent. Better steer clear friend.

>>76505568
Didn't read your post. The conversation is over.

>>76505557
>>76505554
>>76498207
>>76498154
https://nutritionreview.org/2015/12/methylene-blue-reverses-human-cell-aging-treats-progeria-symptoms-in-new-study/
Prickly pear cactus fruit has been used as a dye. Indian gooseberries are also used for dyes. Most dyes Ive looked up seem to be toxic or at best neutral, but "synethic" and "dye" does not necessarily mean bad.

>>76505588
>>76505571

>>76505463
no mate its chill

>>76495410
I am in the process of getting this assessed, what were your symptoms? I get incredible reflux, bloating, sometimes I feel sick and I suspect it causes a lot of mood swings. Sometimes I have to stay in bed and get awful headaches too.

This is something I am concerned with, the fact it might ravage stomach biome.