Thread 76521427

Why do most strength training programs prefer chin ups rather than normal overhand pull ups?

easier for fatties
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>>76521427 (OP)
better resistance profile and bonus bicep activation which is one of people's favorite muscles

>>76521427 (OP)
Easier

>>76521427 (OP)
I recently ( as of today) switched to chin-ups and they are far superior. Better lat and bicep activation. I cannot believe I wasted my time with pull-ups.

What about neutral grip pullups?

>>76521427 (OP)
Who cares?
>>76521510
Practically the same thing as chin ups.

>>76521517
there must be some magical reason why they choose chin ups

>>76521502
Weak faggot

>>76521540
See >>76521432 and>>76521435

>>76521434
always found it easier to do 1-5 chin ups but easier to do 5+ pull ups. The bicep pump can be pretty painful and distracting if you're trying to take back to failure

I do both because if I only do chinups I get elbow pain.

>>76521596
i started doing behind the neck pull ups and it improved both of them

>>76521427 (OP)
Neither of them are good. Just use rings for a natural range of motion.

>>76521427 (OP)
It is simply superior.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ida5ZLMx-rU

>>76521427 (OP)
I would imagine that most routine have movements that already hit the back, so they might as well do chinups that train the biceps more.

>>76521427 (OP)
pull ups hurt my shoulder for some reason, feels awkward.

None. Pulldowns. Dont @ me

>>76521427 (OP)
looks vs performance
Military still does pullups because getting over walls in full gear is a thing.

>>76521432
this

>>76521427 (OP)
pullups are more functional for like traversing fences and what not, chinups save my fingers and wrists some wear and tear ime and i can spam volume

i regret not taking the wide grip pill when i could have and shortchanging myself many years worth of lat gains

>>76521766
They also do a lot of lunges in case they need to kneel for blm

>>76521427 (OP)
Chinups hit lats better, especially neutral grip

Pullups hit rhomboids better which is not a target muscle in most gym programs

>>76522099
>Rhomboids
You should do the barbell rows for that not pull ups. And chin ups are simply superior than pull ups because it goes deeper and has better movement which means better lats developement. Rear delts are a good bonus that pull-ups don't provide. Just do weighted chin-ups.
t. Lifelong pull up guy

>>76522206
>chin ups are simply superior than pull ups because it goes deeper
I feel like my lats are at max stretch when I do pulldowns, a little wider grip than shoulders. It's not automatic, I have to stretch out.

Not that I have much of a choice because my arms feel like they'll break in two places when I try supine.

>>76522206
I do a ton of barbell rows and feel ny rear delts on close grip pullups

>>76522099
>Chinups hit lats better
wrong
the only move that hits the lats better are pronated grip arched back pullups while narrow grip chinups are the best for arms

>>76521427 (OP)
doesnt matter, jsut do ur 'ups, weighted.
>t.

>>76521427 (OP)
>>76521432
More muscles used in a chin up and its easier so its great for beginners. I switch it up every few weeks, I like the neutral grip chin ups and I do them twice a week but after about 3-4 weeks I change to overhand grip wide pull ups for a while

I'm doing 100 pullups/chinups/neutral grip pullups before every back workout, I'll do sets of 8-10 and rotate between the 3, this has exploded my back gains for some reason. I guess volume is king for back.

>>76521502
>>76521653
>I started doing leg extensions instead of squats because they're simply superior
This is how you sound. Pullups are for functional strength, chin ups are for getting a pump and targeting your lats in a worse way. If you want to be superior burn out on pullups and then isolate your biceps with the easy curl bar or dumbbells, not by ruining your lat exercises by doing a compromised movement. More range of motion is not only cope, but actually untrue. It's also not nearly as functional. Go rock climbing once and see how often you underhand grip a rock, or a bar, go climb over a wall or hike up a steep hill, go climb a tree, none of what you're doing will be underhanded. It's all overhand pulling.

I just did >100 weighted pullups on Sunday and I feel fucking amazing. I look amazing too, much better than when I wasted my time mixing in chin ups.

>>76523019
Please clean your room so I can beat off to this with a clean conscience.

>>76523134
>I guess volume is king for back.
No, volume is king for everything.
>tear down muscle
>rebuild muscle
That's all there really is to it.

>>76523019
>Guys live like this and see nothing wrong

I love pullups, but legitimately cannot do full underhand chinups anymore. My arms don't rotate far enough in to comfortably grab the bar without forearm pain unless I try to squeeze my elbows together, which my chest doesn't allow unless I round my back.

I can do about 2 un-assisted chin ups with full ROM, so i'm still stuck using the sissy pad to do volume. But even with the assisted machine, the thing that fails me on chinups/pullups is my grip. My hands go numb when I feel like my body can still do a few more

>>76521756
dumb bodybuilder

>>76521502

Chinups rotate the humerus in such a way that if you do full stretch the lats really work through a fuller ROM, which leads to better development. Also, bicep activation is more complete in chinups. Basically, chinups fully engage more mucle in the contraction, which means one can be stronger. This is good.

Pullups, however, arent trash. Its just that the limiting factor in pullups can be forearm and that tiny brachioradialis muscle failure. If your relatively smaller/weaker forearm and/or brachioradilais muscle fails, you fail and your back stop getting worked. This means that ultimately, you can also do more volume with chins than pullups, which is good for back hypertrophy.

Ideally, one cycles and periodizes traing to develop proficiency in both movements (work in neutral/hammer grip, also), as the one poster is correct that pullups have a greater functionality, or at least real world use - jumping over a tall fence requires a pull-up like motion, not a chinup like motion.

But for strength and bodybuilding, chin-ups are better.

>>76521870
Wide grip = wide back is absiolutely incorrect.

What is correct is that really strong guys with good backs can do wide grip. But thats not how to build it. A narrow grip chinn really causes the lats to stretch, flare and hypertrophy. Wide grip is a vastly reduced rom that puts the lats at a huge mechanical disadvantage (youre weak in this position). That weakness with the wide grip means you can never pull off the volume needed to get big.

>>76521650
>another ringfag that fell for the gimmick

>>76522206
#1 never ever tell me what to do
#2 why are you trying to argue with me? I literally just answered OPs question. I dod not give any unsolicited advice like your corny ass

>>76521427 (OP)
Easier. But you also recruit less back muscles, pecs are more used instead of the lower trapezius, that's why most people do chin-ups with a hunched upper back, hence, not great for posture

>>76523019
for some reason you remind me of these trolls. good back nonetheless

>>76523475
I’m so happy I swapped to rings. Weird lil troll.

>>76523475
Rings are quite a useful tool and honestly feel better

>>76521427 (OP)
chin ups are easier to load for most people. I think it is important to do both.

>>76523019
>guys will see this and just say "hell yeah"

>>76521540
Neutrals are great, but it's simply more likely to have access to a simple straight bar than a bar with parallel grips which make neutral doable. So part of it is simply practical. I think neutral grip actually gives you a little more lat activation at the expense of the other muscles but I might be misremembering something.

>>76521427 (OP)
Weighted chinups gave me bicep tendonitis, switched to weighted pullups and it has never been an issue since.
Also try training biceps instead of back for bicep gains.

>>76523156
Break into his house, suck his dick and clean his room.

>>76523019
Get a haircut hippie

>>76521432
This. DYELs and fatties find them easier because when you supinate your arms and try to hang, you’re creating a lot of mechanical tension on the arm, it’s not good for you but it makes the movement feel easier. Basically using your own Bicep tendon as an assistance band.

I do very heavy weighted pull ups (100+ lbs for reps) and I never do chin ups. Once you get good at pull ups, you realize how stupid chin ups are.

Theyre not easier than pullups

If I focus on pullups, i get weaker at chinups, if i focus on chinups I get weaker at pullups, its literally whatever you train

My WEIGHTED chin-up PR is the same as my WEIGHTED pull-up PR, its just that I cant perform at a high level on BOTH at the same time

Are chins and shrugs all I need?

>>76523019
hell yeah

>>76521502
As a religious chin-up fatty, I refuse to believe you.
Chin-ups are much easier. I can get around 5 chin-ups for 1 pull-up. Not even one wide-grip pull-up (actual pull-up) yet (desu haven't tried yet because I only progress when I can do few reps properly).
But, I got nice biceps from chinups and pretty much chinups (push ups once a week probably don't count as much).
Also dead hangs are pretty nice and make my shoulder impingement pain slowly go away.
Also I love fitness and will never quit.

>>76523019
you sir have an amazing back

>>76526639
add reverse flies and pullovers (for thoracic expansion) and you're gucci

>>76522369
There is no difference between supine and pronated grip when it comes to lats. The only difference is that supine grip uses more biceps so you can do more reps. Chin ups with a narrow grip is still primarily a lat exercise with a little bit more biceps.

Extending the back is only appropriate at the bottom of the movement to shorten the lats away from active insufficiency in the lengthened position. At the top, you should be flexing your torso at the top to lengthen the lats away from active insufficiency in the shortened position.

>>76524886
this except the complete opposite, I got good at weighted pull-ups (+2pl8) then started doing weighted chin-ups only because they feel better and I get a biceps pump

>>76523019
Any advice on what and how to secure a bar for rings?

>>76521502
The lat activation is the same, dumbass. You only feel them right now because they aren't used to that exact movement yet

>>76527930
Hey tubby. Regular pull-ups are superior to wide grip. I know we can't expect your fat ass to know that, but wide grip is a meme, regular is better for your lats